Civil War in Ukraine: Western Empire vs Russia

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Kniall said:
angelburst29 said:
In chilling scenes, there were claims several rebel commanders had been ‘sentenced to death by shooting’ with notices saying the ‘executions’ were conducted under a law enacted by Stalin’s Supreme Soviet during the Second World War.

An order from the separatist militia in Donetsk claimed that ‘commanders’ Dmitry Slavov and Nikolay Lukyanov had been executed by a shot to the head.

Two other officers of Gorkovka police were also ‘shot dead in front of all other policemen for betraying Donetsk Republic’, it was reported.

The orders to execute were signed by Igor Strelkov, real surname Girkin, who is claimed by the Ukrainians to be a Russian career intelligence officer.

The rebel commanders were accused of “abandonment of combat positions” under a Stalin law dated 22 June 1941.

I haven't looked into this yet, but I highly doubt that version of events.

The version I read somewhere was that two people from the self-defence forces had been executed because they had been looting the homes of people. In other words, they had dishonored the trust that was placed in them and utilised their position for self-gain. Whether that warrants execution is another question.
 
Kniall said:
angelburst29 said:
In chilling scenes, there were claims several rebel commanders had been ‘sentenced to death by shooting’ with notices saying the ‘executions’ were conducted under a law enacted by Stalin’s Supreme Soviet during the Second World War.

An order from the separatist militia in Donetsk claimed that ‘commanders’ Dmitry Slavov and Nikolay Lukyanov had been executed by a shot to the head.

Two other officers of Gorkovka police were also ‘shot dead in front of all other policemen for betraying Donetsk Republic’, it was reported.

The orders to execute were signed by Igor Strelkov, real surname Girkin, who is claimed by the Ukrainians to be a Russian career intelligence officer.

The rebel commanders were accused of “abandonment of combat positions” under a Stalin law dated 22 June 1941.

I haven't looked into this yet, but I highly doubt that version of events.

In searching for additional information, came upon these references:

Strelkov ordered the execution of two of his henchmen - Media
_http://ukrainiancrisis.net/news/830

Monday May 26, 2014 - The leader of the terrorists "DNR" Igor Strelkov ordered the execution of his minions Dmitry Slavov ("Bulgarians") and Nikolai Lukyanov ("Luke") for looting and other crimes.

Relevant leaflets distributed on May 26 Slovyansk wrote slavgorod.com.ua.

According to information in the text of the so-called order states that Slavov and Lukyanov should shoot for looting, armed robbery, kidnapping, abandonment of military positions and concealing crimes.

sentence allegedly executed.

specified in the leaflet contains a warning to all members and commanders of terrorist organizations, and residents of Words ‘Slovyansk and Slovyansk area that the aforementioned crimes committed in a combat zone, punished.

(Mirrored here:)
_http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=uk&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pravda.com.ua%2Fnews%2F2014%2F05%2F26%2F7026845%2F

(Also, here:)
_https://news.pn/en/criminal/105147

The Russian saboteur, the leader of terrorists on Donbass Igor Strelkov - Girkin published «order» with the signature in which claims that shot two fighters, being guided by the decree of Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR of June 22, 1941.

Photo of it «order» the journalist Andrey Krasnoshchekov in the «publishedTwitter».

So, in «order» there is a speech that certain «voyenno - field tribunal of a militia of DNR» On May 24 I sentenced to death through execution of two fighters–commander of a company Dmitry Slavov and commander of a platoon Nikolay Lukyanov. Allegedly they were punished for the marauding, the armed robbery, kidnapping, leaving of fighting positions and concealment of the committed crimes. Thus «tribunal» I acted under the Decree of Presidium of the Supreme Council of the USSR «About the martial law» of June 22, 1941.

«The sentence is carried out» , - it is emphasized in the order.

_https://www.facebook.com/euromaidanpr/posts/262760273907782
 
Meanwhile: Ukraine receives $750 million from World Bank
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_29/Ukraine-receives-750-million-from-World-Bank-4162/
To non-decline, ponerology must be financed / fueled by large external psychopathic groups, not only domestic.
 
Not sure how reliable that information is, but it seems the Kiev authorities have called up prisoners, mostly recidivists, in order to suppress the resistance of the South-East. And female snipers...

Yandex translation, slightly improved:
25.05.2014
In Luhansk region are operating groups of criminals and women snipers on Kiev side

The intelligence gathered by the headquarters formed Lugansk liberation army (LOA), show that in order to suppress the resistance of the South-East, Kiev authorities are arming recidivists, reports a correspondent of IA REGNUM.

According to operational information, the regime raised under the gun more than 500 prisoners of Starobelskiy colony (Lugansk region). [They are?] deliberately selected repeat offenders who received the deadlines for serious crimes, such as murder, robbery. These people, the new Kiev government promised forgiveness of all sins in exchange for participation in punitive expeditions against the People's Republic of Luhansk. Criminals armed with automatic weapons command so-called activists of the National Guard of Ukraine, formed from radical nationalists who participated in a recent Maidan in Kiev.

Recidivist units were deployed and stationed in the city Svatovo (126 kilometers from Lugansk), where almost immediately started terror against the civilian population. In another village of the Lugansk region - the village of Troitskoe stationed so-called "Female hundreds of Maidan", consisting mainly of female athletes snipers who hold extreme nationalist ideology. These women also were also noticeable during the recent events in Kiev. The exact number of "Female hundreds" at the headquarters of the LOA has yet to be confirmed, but today it is known that it exceeds 100 people. Concerning the local population, the radical women behave no softer than criminals, their loose and aggressive behavior bringing terror of the local residents.

source: _http://www.regnum.ru/news/1806056.html
 
For what it's worth, releasing hardened criminals to terrorize and generally cause chaos was supposed to be a tactic used by the Bolsheviks too.
 
Evgeny Fedorov's view of an armed resistance template emerging in the state construct of the Donetsk and Lughansk Republics.
This is hard eyed realism in the age when coup d'é⋅tat masquerades as humanitarian intervention.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zRD-Ulv2s
 
More news:
Ukraine: New President to Pay Fighters 16 Times Average Salary
_http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13930310000593

“In order to improve motivation and in accordance with oligarch Poroshenko’s election promise, the Kiev regime is increasing the pay for its fighters who see the antifascist and pro-Russian population as terrorists to 20,000 hrivnyi a month,” Makhail Koval said, Global Research reported.

“The amount corresponds to some USD 1,700, which, for Ukraine, is like golden (though bloody) rain. Average salaries are about $100 or so a month, and conscripted soldiers were paid half of that,” Koval noted.

He said this “boosting” of motivation for killing and dying for oligarchs, bandit Banderism and NATO accords with the character and mindset of oligarchs.

“I assume that the costs of this increase (incredible for Ukraine devastated by the same oligarchs) is to be paid by the same IMF loans and other Western credits. In other words, the IMF and Western bankers are now openly financing a war against Russia and against millions of people in Ukraine,” Koval said, adding, “The unpaid billions for Russian gas had been used for the billions in wealth for the anti-Russian and pro-fascist oligarchs in Ukraine (as in the past), whether armed, unarmed, or whether manning a barricade or even sitting in a school or in an ambulance.”

The difference between the current junta with its new “president” Poroshenko as its formal figurehead and the previous Ukrainian oligarchic governments is the strategic decision of NATO and the oligarchs to give command and control over all the security forces to militant fascists led by the Right Sector (previously and still supported as such by only 1% of the population), while launching a war on anyone who is not buying this new fascist dictatorship and its murderous campaign, Koval concluded.


CIA, FBI agents dying for illegal junta in Ukraine
_http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_05_19/CIA-FBI-agents-dying-for-illegal-junta-in-Ukraine-8655/

The facts are as follows (backed up by dozens of reports, eyewitness statements and visual evidence): on the 18th of May the People’s Mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov announced that: "Kiev-controlled troops and 'law enforcers' had sustained heavy losses during a so-called ‘counter-terrorist’ operation in the east of the country."

"At least 650 servicemen were killed, wounded or taken prisoner in the past ten 10 days," he said.

"There are 70 foreigners among them and of those 13 agents of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) were killed and 12 others were wounded", Ponomaryov told reporters.

The Mayor also said that the self-defense forces afflicted heavy losses on Right Sector/Ukrainian army forces and also completely wiped out the junta’s "Alpha" operatives.

According to media and television reports Mayor Ponomaryov stated that with regard to the "… foreign mercenaries in the ranks of Ukrainian executioners, they also suffered losses. According to Ponomarev, a private military company Analizy Systemowe Bartlomiej lost 6 people, Greystone - 14 people, Academi - 50 people. CIA and FBI have lost 25 employees, of which 13 - killed."

"Furthermore, killed or injured 40 soldiers of the 95th airmobile brigade of Ukrainian Armed Forces, as well as 20 members of the MUP . Loss Donetsk militias from May 2-12 8 were killed and 3 wounded."

US Denies

The Voice of Russia also reported that the CIA denied the claims on a Twitter post, which of course is to be expected: "The US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has denied reports of a number of CIA agents allegedly killed in clashes between forces loyal to the Kiev authorities and self-defense units in eastern Ukraine."

"A CIA official claimed on the US embassy in Berlin's official Twitter page of the that no such incidents had taken place and that allegations by pro-Russian activists did not correspond to reality."

Plausible Deniability

Plausible Deniability is a phrase coined by the CIA itself "to describe the withholding of information from senior officials in order to protect them from repercussions in the event that illegal or unpopular activities by the CIA became public knowledge."

Due to the fact that the denial comes through a Twitter post and not from an official CIA or FBI statement, or from the White House for that matter, and that the CIA/FBI is heavily involved in illegal operations in Ukraine and has been for decades, I would argue that it is a given that the CIA has lost officers, agents, mercenaries and support staff in Ukraine. That is almost a given, the only question is how many.

Illegal Operation

Due to the huge flow of information and the massive amount of reports, leaks and revelations there is little debate in the media about one simple fact and that fact is what is most troubling about the entire US/CIA/NATO/EU meddling in the sovereign affairs of Ukraine. To make matters worse the US/CIA/NATO/EU undeniably now have blood on their hands, not only that of Ukrainian civilians, Tatars and Russians but also of citizens of other countries. (Etc.)


Ukrainian military shell downtown Slavyansk in eastern Ukraine
_http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_05_31/Ukrainian-military-shell-downtown-Slavyansk-in-eastern-Ukraine-9775/

Kiev-controlled military units briefly shelled Slavyansk city center in eastern Ukraine with heavy artillery, said Stella Khorosheva, spokeswoman for people’s mayor of Slavyansk, Vyacheslav Ponomaryov, said on Saturday in comments reported by Itar-Tass. “They have fallen silent now,” Khorosheva said. “They usually start shelling in the morning and evening. There are no data on destruction or those injured yet. Fire was send to the city center.”

Earlier a militia representative told Itar-Tass that the gun fire was from the Karachun Mountain. He said “intense fire from mortars and howitzers” lasted a few hours.

On May 29-30 night, a children’s hospital came under fire from the Ukrainian military. A children’s clinic was also damaged. A militia spokesman said children had been inside but were unharmed. The chief physician at the hospital said “a wall was partly destroyed, over 100 windows were smashed”.

On May 28, as a result of the artillery shelling of Artema, a residential district in Slavyansk, a shell broke through the roof of a school. Children and teachers hid in the basement and were unhurt. Four people were killed when the same area was shelled on May 27.


Slavyansk militia asks Ukraine army not to fire at purification facilities using liquid chlorine


Local militiamen have cautioned the Ukrainian Armed Forces against carrying out strikes against the city of Slavyansk’s water purification facilities that use liquid chlorine in their operations. “We have to note that the city of Slavyansk has purification facilities that use liquid chlorine. And if the National Guard or the Ukrainian army starts to fire at them, a catastrophe will become inevitable,” a militia spokesman has said, reaffirming the absence of any toxic agents in Slavyansk.

Ukraine’s acting defense minister, Mikhail Koval, said earlier he feared that militiamen could blow up “containers filled with toxic agents” in Slavyansk.

“There are plenty of these containers [in Slavyansk],” Koval said at a press briefing on Friday. “The separatists are preparing to blow them up,” he added.

The Slavyansk militia headquarters responded to Koval’s remarks by saying that “we have no explosive or toxic mixtures. Why should we blow up our own city?”

Chemical weapons used against self-defense in Mariupol – pro-federalization activists

The leaders of the “Donetsk People’s Republic” claimed that self-defense forces in Mariupol came under a chemical attack when the City Council building was being stormed by Kiev-controlled armed units.

“Kiev bears the entire responsibility not only for their state agencies’ actions, but also for the actions by citizens who illegally apply means of chemical warfare,” the statement says.

“Armed groups controlled by Kiev used unidentified chemical weapons on May 6 while storming the City Council headquarters,” the foreign ministry of the “Donetsk People’s Republic” said in a statement, posted in the Donetsk “people’s governor” Pavel Gubarev’s Facebook account.

“The defenders of the City Council have left the contaminated area. Many of them had their breathing systems damaged, which is likely to have consequences and probably be a danger to their lives,” the statement says.

The statement urges the world community to condemn the use of a toxic choking gas in Mariupol and to take comprehensive measures to subject the Kiev authorities to international isolation.”

The authors also urged Russia to influence the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons into organizing a full-scale probe in Mariupol into the use of chemical weapons by the Kiev authorities.”

The Ukrainian leadership has not commented on the information, Interfax reports.
 
Combat update by "Juan":

No sleep from 05:00 02.06. Please excuse spelling mistakes.

During a protest near Lviv in west Ukraine by women demanding the return of their conscripted sons and husbands the women were beaten by Tyagnibok's Svoboda Party operatives. Two women are in hospital.

Artillery fire commenced against the town of Severodonetsk 04:20 local time.

Slavyansk and Kramatorsk heavy fighting resumed dawn today. 3 enemy BTR's destroyed before dawn 03 June 2014 Kramatorsk area. Casualties unknown.

Lugansk fighting and artillery bombardments started dawn in outskirts. One flats building hit by artillery and on fire. Casualties unknown.

27 children including some milk babies were successfully evacuated from Kromatorsk after dark 01 June. Destination unknown.
Intense fighting around Kramotorsk Aerodrome from dawn today. The distinctive sound of a German MG3 was clearly heard. This weapon is known to be in Nats armories in small numbers and some rechambered for Russian 7.62 x 54 round from NATO 7.62 x 51 round. High cyclic rate of fire.

Ukraine Army is blocking all traffic in and out of Donetsk City and Slavyansk. No medical supplies are allowed in to either area. The prohibition of evacuating children from both cities is still in effect by Junta. Sick and severely wounded evacuation is prohibited.

Reports of very heavy fighting suburbs of Slavyansk 08:10 local time. Reports of tank cannon fire in the area of fighting are unconfirmed.

Tank cannon have a distinctive sound different from artillery of the same caliber.

09:29 local time column of tanks and BTR's have fought their way in to Slavyansk with right sector infantry. Very intense fighting extant in actual city.
 
News of missile strikes at Lugansk with video's. Obama pledges more troops and equipment in Eastern Europe in support of NATO while Russia watches her Borders.

Confirmed: Ukrainian air force fired over 150 missiles at Lugansk, bombed admin HQ
_http://rt.com/news/163352-ukraine-airstrike-lugansk-missiles/ (video)

Tuesday June 3, 2014 - Kiev has admitted showering the eastern Ukrainian city of Lugansk with dozens of missiles from the air, saying that its Air Force helicopters and jets “fired more than 150 missiles” in Monday’s military action.

DEATH TOLL: 181 people killed, 293 injured in Kiev military op

The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) also confirmed on Tuesday that the deadly explosion at the city’s administrative building was indeed an airstrike. Kiev has so far denied the responsibility for the incident, saying its forces “do not target” civilian areas.

The OSCE Ukrainian mission’s daily report stated that “on June 2, around 15:00 local time missiles hit the building of the regional government administration. According to the observers’ data, the strike was carried out with non-guided missiles launched from an aircraft.”

According to an earlier statement by the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, the intense bombing in Lugansk area was meant to “support the Ukrainian Border Guards,” which the local militia have been trying to take under control.

“All in all, for fulfilling the combat support of the Ukrainian border guards the army aviators fired more than 150 missiles, carried out three jet sorties and five helicopter sorties,” the statement says.

The air support was backed by fighter jets launching decoy flares to prevent the attacking aircraft from being targeted from the ground.

According to the ministry, two self-defense checkpoints were destroyed in the attack.

Not all the Monday fighting was on the outskirts of Lugansk, apparently, as one Ukrainian missile hit the occupied Lugansk administration building, killing at least eight civilians inside and nearby. Some Kiev politicians have laid the blame on the self-defense forces for the “blast,” which has undoubtedly been confirmed as an airstrike by the accounts of witnesses and the CCTV footage from the scene.

Deadly Ukraine Fighter Jet Bombing Caught On Tape
_http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-06-02/deadly-ukraine-figher-jet-bombing-caught-tape (video's)

Tuesday June, 3, 2014 - Earlier today we reported that even as the western media blackout of events in Ukraine gets more black, the ongoing civil war is getting ever more uncivil, following a Ukraine fighter jet attack on the east Ukraine town of Lugansk, in which it struck not only the local administration building, but a neighboring area, resulting in numerous civilian casualties and injuries. Kiev was quick to deny that it was using its airforce on its own people, claiming instead that the explosion quite clearly caught on tape was merely locals trying to unsuccessfully shoot at the fighter jet.

So for your viewing displeasure, because the reality of yet another fratricidal war is hardly enjoyable, and so readers can make up their own minds, here is the moment of the fighter jet bombing caught on tape, as well as the tragic consequences.

The first clip shows CCTV footage as the rocket explosion is spread out across a park neighboring the administration building.

The next clip captures moment the Kiev fighter fired at fellow Ukrainians – something the west vocally condemned when it was allegedly conducted under former president Yanukovich, and is all too quiet this time.

From a different angle:

And the aftermath.....

Obama pledges $1bn for more troops, military drills in E. Europe
_http://rt.com/news/163320-obama-poland-troops-europe/

Tuesday June 3, 2014 - President Obama has announced a plan to invest $1 billion in stepping up its military presence in Eastern Europe amid the Ukrainian crisis. The White House will send more troops and equipment to the region to “reaffirm” its commitment to NATO allies.

Speaking at a news conference in Warsaw, Obama said America was stepping up its partnership with countries in Eastern Europe with a view to bolstering security. The moves are aimed at upping the pressure on Russia, which Washington has accused of inciting unrest in Ukraine.

In line with the plans, Obama will ask Congress to provide up to $1 billion to finance the deployment of more troops and equipment.


“Under this effort, and with the support of Congress, the United States will preposition more equipment in Europe,” Obama said at the Polish capital’s Belweder Palace.

Earlier in the day Obama met with US and Polish air personnel in Warsaw and said the US had already begun rotating additional soldiers in the region.

“Given the situation in Ukraine right now, we have also increased our American presence. We’ve begun rotating additional ground troops and F-16 aircraft into Poland… to help our forces support NATO air missions,” said Obama, calling the commitment to NATO allies in Europe “the cornerstone of our own security.”

Obama called on Moscow to refrain from further provocation in Ukraine and said it has a responsibility to work constructively with the new government in Kiev. He added that the troop buildup in Eastern Europe was not meant to threaten Russia, but “rebuilding trust may take some time.”

The American president will meet with newly-elected Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko during his two-day stay in Poland.


Russia to take necessary measures if NATO military potential comes closer to its borders – envoy
_ http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_06_02/Russia-to-take-necessary-measures-if-NATO-military-potential-comes-closer-to-its-borders-envoy-0363/

Tuesday June 3, 2014 -NATO was and is a leading military organization in the European-Atlantic region – that is why, while developing cooperation with it in spheres of common interest, Russia paid special attention to ensuring appropriate defense levels amid any scenarios, Russia’s Permanent Representative to NATO Alexander Grushko told Interfax.

“It is known that in military affairs potentials, not intentions – which, as the latest events have shown, can change – and are taken into account. That is why if we see that new NATO arrangements regarding Russia are implemented in relevant actions of military construction and are manifested in shifting NATO’s military potential towards the ‘eastern wing,’ we will take measures necessary so that Russia’s security is not affected by this,” Grushko said in an interview ahead of a meeting of NATO defense ministers on June 3-4 and due to NATO-Russia Council meeting, first one since March 5.

“Having suspended cooperation with Russia, NATO inflicted damage firstly to international efforts to neutralize security risks and threats common for everyone, and thus, to its own security,” Grushko said.

Russia’s possible withdrawal from the Founding Act on its relations with NATO is just one of the options Moscow is considering as a reaction to NATO’s planned permanent deployment of large military forces in Central and Eastern Europe, Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO said on Monday.

“We’ll just see and study what the ministers decide,” Alexander Grushko told Interfax in reference to a planned meeting in Brussels on Tuesday and Wednesday of NATO defense ministers.

“But if it is additional deployment of substantial NATO combat forces in Central and Eastern Europe that is on the agenda – we can hear appeals to that effect, – such deployments, even if they are based on rotation, will hardly be qualifiable as a direct departure from commitments under fundamental Russia-NATO documents, including the Founding Act,” Grushko said.

He said rotation is not the key criterion in the assessment of a combat potential. It is the permanent presence or absence of armed forces in a region that matters, he argued.


Why there is no Russian military intervention in the Ukraine
_http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/06/translation-of-must-read-article-of.html?m=1
The Vineyard of the Saker

Posted on worldcrisis.ru 30 Май 22:19
опубликовал Сухов боец красной армии [suho]

Let’s return to problems directly related to Ukraine and note that even the implementation of all the important foreign policy projects will not help in carrying out the denazification of Kiev and make it so that Russian troops or rebel army of Novorossia would by greeted with bread and salt even in the central region. If the army of Novorossia has problems with mobilization in Lugansk and Donetsk, then work within the zombified regions will be very, very difficult. However, it seems that on the side of the Russian Federation on the field of battle will soon appear Colonel Hunger and the Special Forces Giperok (“Hyperinflation”), which will dramatically change the balance of power.

The Ukrainian economy is finished. Given the disastrous spring sowings, the crops of vegetables destroyed (frozen), lack of credit, problems with gas, the jump in fuel prices, we can safely say that the economy will come as a northern beast, which will be full and fluffy. No one will give money to the junta, not even from the IMF, which promised something around $17 billion (exactly 50% of what Ukraine needs for this year), but built into the contract an “escape clause”: if Kiev does not control all the regions, then Kiev is not to receive a cent. Hunger, cold and hyperinflation (caused by the collapse of the hryvnia) will actively work to weaken the junta and correct the minds of the “generous” (shchirykh) Ukrainians: they will surely not come to love Russia, but this is hardly necessary. It is necessary that they begin to remember the Yanukovych period as sweet, unattainable dream. The inevitable chaos and total collapse of social structures, coupled with low intensity civil war guarantees that NATO will not accept Ukraine since Europe will then itself “be on the rails”, and even in the U.S., more or less moderate politicians will not make a move, which obviously would not lead to U.S. victory, but to the dragging of the country into a nuclear war.

Moreover, in the context of total economic collapse, for the miners, metal workers and other comrades who are now firmly glued to their jobs for fear of losing them and hoping to “ride it all in their huts on the edge (of the precipice)”, there will no longer be such a possibility. They will have to participate in one form or another, in the political and economic problems of New Russia. And likely they will have to participate in arms.

At the same time, the-junta-named-Poroshenko, foisted (on the country) by the European Union, will have a strong incentive to negotiate with Moscow to make concessions, to offer compromises. Already, the new European Commission, which needs peace in the east and stable gas transit, will be pushing Poroshenko in this direction. Poroshenko will also be pushed in the same direction by social upheavals caused by Colonel Hunger and Hyperinflation the Saboteur.

All these factors, in sum, open up great opportunities for the Kremlin to reformat the former Ukraine into something appropriate to the interests of the Russian Federation. It is precisely this scenario that the United States is attempting to avoid, and it is because of this that the United States has serious reasons to accelerate the translation of the conflict into a hot phase with the use of troops and massive bloodshed.

If you add up the time that is needed for the action of Hunger and the time required to resolve foreign policy problems in terms of establishing work with China, Iran, untethering from the dollar, import substitution, etc. (very roughly) can come to the conclusion that you need somewhere 5-9 months (that same December, for which Yanukovych tried to negotiate) to provide solutions to Ukrainian and other issues to the maximum advantage of Russia. During this period, you must provide at least for the preservation of Ukraine in a state of civil war (i.e., support for the DNR, LNR, but it is not necessary to take Kiev too fast in order not to create unnecessary additional problems) and ideally, combined with the civil war, prolonged and sticky negotiations within Ukraine, with the participation of international observers, something like 2 +4 format, i.e., Poroshenko + Tsarev + Russia, EU, ​​OSCE, USA.

The final touch. In recent months, the U.S. has slowed down the work of its printing press, reducing the “pump-priming” (this especially simplifies the formulation) from 85 to 55 billion dollars a month. Very many expect (e.g. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/27/us-usa-fed-idUSBREA3Q08920140427), that the machine will turn off completely by the end of this year. Again, in that same December. This is due to the fact that the dollar, though it is the main international currency, cannot be printed endlessly – it is impossible. According to various estimates, the United States has almost entirely used up the “resource strength” of the dollar which allowed them to do the naughty with the (financial) machine. Moreover, the corollary and inevitable effect of such tricks is reducing rates on U.S. bonds, which, on the one hand, helps Washington to pay less for its debts, but, on the other hand, is actually choking the entire U.S. pension and insurance system that is built on the expectation of very different returns from their portfolios bonds. Roughly speaking, by the end of the year, the U.S. will have a choice between to blowing up their social system in order to keep on printing, or greatly reducing their appetites in order to preserve any chance of stability at home. Judging by the reduction in the amount of dollars being thrown into the system, Washington has decided that preventing an explosion is more important than its foreign policy ambitions.

Now to complete the puzzle finally, let’s make our predictions:

- America will try by all means to aggravate the crisis in Ukraine, in order to weaken Russia and put the whole European market under its sway before it needs to shut down its printing presses.

- The Kremlin will try to translate the crisis in Ukraine from the acute to the chronic phase – civil war plus sluggish negotiations amid the economic collapse of Ukraine. At the same time, the Kremlin will use the time to create favorable conditions for the transition to the sharp confrontation with the United States – from the work on untethering from the dollar with China, Iran, Qatar, creating the EEC etc.

- Complete end to the crisis in December 2014, possibly earlier if U.S. desists from trying to exacerbate the hostilities.

- And if it does not desist? - Then … a big war … a war for resources, because shale “boom” was an ordinary bubble.

On this subject in detail in the article by William Engdahl “Washington shale boom – bust”. Original Washington’s Shale Boom Going Bust http://journal-neo.org/2014/05/12/washington-s-shale-boom-going-bust/
 
Recently had to travel out of town and heard two interesting bits of info about the situation in Ukraine. First one was told by a friend of the family. She told me that her acquaintance has a business in Ukraine, near Kiev. She asked him how can he continue to live there with everything that has been happening, and he told her not to believe everything she hears on Russian TV.

On the other hand, I shared the above with one of my friends that traveled with me on the train, and she told me about her family's relatives from Donetsk. She said that her grandmother tried couple of times to send a letter to her relatives, and each time they didn't answer and the letters were returned to sender. She was really worried that maybe something happened to them, but since my friend's mother saw that they were online on one of the Russian social networks, something else was going on. They decided to ask them about it. Their relatives answer was very laconic: "Don't worry, we are ok. Can't say anything else." They also didn't answer after being offered to leave Ukraine for a bit and to live here in Belarus.

It means that they are basically terrified and know that every communication is being monitored and checked. Well, maybe not everything, but enough to scare people into being very careful with what they are saying.
 
Keit said:
She told me that her acquaintance has a business in Ukraine, near Kiev. She asked him how can he continue to live there with everything that has been happening, and he told her not to believe everything she hears on Russian TV.

Son of my father's friend who lives in one of those pro-russian regions said exactly the same thing! His father asked him about the shootings and he said that sometimes drunken Ukrainians and Russians get in a fight and start shooting, and then news reporters present that as a war between Ukrainians and Russians! And that in reality there is no civil war in Ukraine, just some isolated incidents. :huh:
 
Keit said:
It means that they are basically terrified and know that every communication is being monitored and checked. Well, maybe not everything, but enough to scare people into being very careful with what they are saying.

I also have this feeling. I was thinking for two days whether I should post it here or not, because it is absolutely horrible. I think I should. So, please, if you don't want to know this, don't read my comment and don't follow the link. I couldn't sleep after watching and reading it.

Do you know what happened in Lugansk on June 2? I'm asking because it wasn't shown on TV in full, because the scenes are too horrible. It was partly covered by Russia Today, and although RT said that the material is very sensitive, what they showed was mild in comparison to what is circulating on the Internet.

I'm speaking about the junta's planes bombing Lugansk city center. One of the missiles hit the City Administration building, several others hit the park nearby. About 8 people were killed. The hunta first said that the separatists blew themselves up from inside the building (sounds familiar?..), then they said that the separatists hit the building from the outside, but now they've confirmed that Kiev did it (only after the OCSE acknowledged this).

But this is not the point. They lied so many times already that it doesn't surprise anymore. What is shocking about this situation is the following. They bombed the city center at daytime knowing that they will kill civilians which indeed happened.

The video that I'm talking about shows a dying woman asking for help. And this same video is widely discussed by the junta supporters.. and they all comment it as "we should blow the whole East up and kill all of them this way". One blogger print-sceened their comments and posted them in his blog (because the pro-Kiev website has already deleted them): http://da-dzi.livejournal.com/242896.html. It's in Russian.

This is really horrible. The pro-Kiev websites were full of the same comments after the Odessa tragedy. Just imagine how scared the people are there. This is a real fascism. People are scared to say anything because junta supporters are fascists ready to kill them.

There are thousands of Ukrainian refugees in Russia now. Rostov city today has declared the state of emergency because of the huge number of them. It would be much more of them if junta let them go, but they often don't even let the kids go. It is very difficult to escape from the East now.
 
Persej said:
Keit said:
She told me that her acquaintance has a business in Ukraine, near Kiev. She asked him how can he continue to live there with everything that has been happening, and he told her not to believe everything she hears on Russian TV.

Son of my father's friend who lives in one of those pro-russian regions said exactly the same thing! His father asked him about the shootings and he said that sometimes drunken Ukrainians and Russians get in a fight and start shooting, and then news reporters present that as a war between Ukrainians and Russians! And that in reality there is no civil war in Ukraine, just some isolated incidents. :huh:

Perhaps it IS as bad as it is portrayed in the Russian news. So far the Russian channels have been much closer to the truth than any other information sources from the West or the Junta. The people are just scared and intimidated and therefore make comments such as "don't believe all that you hear on Russian TV" and "it is just a few drunkards fighting", in order to avoid retaliations.

Because those comments do not account for the missile attack by fighter jets and helicopter gunships or the artillery bombardments. So I think that all is not just love and peace in the area.

Today the junta in Kiev said that there were 300 dead and 500 injured from yesterdays attack. This comes from the junta, but it could well just be propaganda to create fear in the people and cause them to surrender and stop resisting.
 
Persej said:
Keit said:
She told me that her acquaintance has a business in Ukraine, near Kiev. She asked him how can he continue to live there with everything that has been happening, and he told her not to believe everything she hears on Russian TV.

Son of my father's friend who lives in one of those pro-russian regions said exactly the same thing! His father asked him about the shootings and he said that sometimes drunken Ukrainians and Russians get in a fight and start shooting, and then news reporters present that as a war between Ukrainians and Russians! And that in reality there is no civil war in Ukraine, just some isolated incidents. :huh:

Normalcy bias comes to mind.
 
Aeneas said:
Persej said:
Keit said:
She told me that her acquaintance has a business in Ukraine, near Kiev. She asked him how can he continue to live there with everything that has been happening, and he told her not to believe everything she hears on Russian TV.

Son of my father's friend who lives in one of those pro-russian regions said exactly the same thing! His father asked him about the shootings and he said that sometimes drunken Ukrainians and Russians get in a fight and start shooting, and then news reporters present that as a war between Ukrainians and Russians! And that in reality there is no civil war in Ukraine, just some isolated incidents. :huh:

Perhaps it IS as bad as it is portrayed in the Russian news. So far the Russian channels have been much closer to the truth than any other information sources from the West or the Junta. The people are just scared and intimidated and therefore make comments such as "don't believe all that you hear on Russian TV" and "it is just a few drunkards fighting", in order to avoid retaliations.

Because those comments do not account for the missile attack by fighter jets and helicopter gunships or the artillery bombardments. So I think that all is not just love and peace in the area.

Today the junta in Kiev said that there were 300 dead and 500 injured from yesterdays attack. This comes from the junta, but it could well just be propaganda to create fear in the people and cause them to surrender and stop resisting.

But it could be truth for the friend who lives near Kiev. From his point of view, it really could be everything OK, maybe he did said what he really thinks, according to his experience at the moment. It is not so close to the area where war is. He is not involved and it is not his concern.

I think that I must write small explanation, so not be accused for the "normalcy bias". War don't looks how it is looking in the war movies. There are no groups of people running all over and screaming in panic. People are not in their basements and shelters all the time. There is no constant fear and panic, there IS constant worry, but the everyday life must go on. People must get their food, cook, eat, walk, talk. They also got to be normalcy biased, because without it they wouldn't function. You cant scream in the horror all the time (I mean you can, but people like those end up dead very quick, because they cant function). People also tend to minimize their problems, for the relatives and friends: "No, its not so hard, we are alive, that's most important", for themselves: "It will be better tomorrow, I can feel it!". Without feeling and talking like that, they would be alive but essentially dead.

There is also geographic distance problem, which people who wasn't near real war usually cant understand. In reality (unlike war movies, again) you can live approximately very near the fighting, but if you are not personally involved and people around you, you really cant feel the war, it is really like there is no war very near. It is "some war over there somewhere".

I lived some 100kms from the war, but is was very ordinary life. Like there is no war, everything works like normal. I was also at the times also some 10-20kms where war is, but people lived their lives normally, with everyday jobs and so on. And that is not normalcy bias, because their life didn't change, everything for them was as it was since ever. There wasn't problems on which they must adapt, they didn't need it. If you are not personally involved, if people where you live are not involved, if they are not interested, if you cant hear, see, or feel the war personally, it is irrelevant is it just 100km away or 10.000. You can feel empathy for the people in the war, but it is not the same as being in the war, you everyday life still remains the same and unchanged.
 
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