Co-linearity: What is it? What does it involve? Can it be achieved?

BHelmet

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(L) What is the group's main weakness?

A: Lack of true colinearity.

Q: (L) You know, when you think about colinearity, just go back and re-read what Gurdjieff wrote about the circles. Does everybody know what I'm talking about? The outer circle, the mesoteric circle, and so on. Perhaps somebody will post that in the thread that discusses this meeting and we'll talk about it a bit. It immediately occurs to me that there are a number of things about lack of colinearity that manifest in many ways. Getting to that point of true colinearity is obviously very desirable. At the same time, it's not so easy! It takes a LOT of discussion, a lot of talking, a lot of interaction. Oh, they want to say something... Sorry, I'm being interrupted:

A: Singing helps a bit. Reading exercises that are undertaken from the correct perspective also.

Q: (L) Well... Yeah. I mean, our reading exercise is very interesting because there are quite a number of people engaged in it now in such a way that they are actually getting what is supposed to be gotten out of it. But there are others who are NOT getting what is supposed to be gotten out of it because... I don't know why (too much intellectualizing, perhaps). They’re just not at the place where they can yet have that perspective on it......
The issue of collinearity seems to me to be an area that needs to be explored in further depth. On another thread a discussion turned into a room full of hissy cats, me included, and the lack of collinearity seemed to be massively evident. Though the digression was termed a kind of distraction from the thread of cryptocurrency, I think it is essential. The issue of co-linearity deserves a thread of its own and far exceeds the relative importance of investing in the grand cyber casino.

So, I want to get the ball rolling:

What IS co-linearity? How can it be defined?
In what ways is it a weakness if it is missing?
What might be gained if we can do a better job of manifesting it?
Is it part of an aim? Is this a group aim or can it remain a collection of individual aims?
If it is termed a group weakness, what are the benefits if it can be brought forward?
Does it involve some sort of standards or shared understanding?
What might that be?

Is a group aim limited to the FOTCM?
(in that case joining the FOTCM or some such might be a pre-requisite and I am barking up the wrong tree in regards to discussing this on the general forum)

I am sure there are other ways to slice this and look at it.

I mean this to be an invitation.

Instead of kicking a nest full of hornets, this time, I am attempting to initiate a fruitful discussion.
 

mkrnhr

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The major clues are already in the explanation given by Laura.
Here is an extract from the In Search of the Miraculous book (in the recommended books list):


The humanity to which we belong, namely, the whole of historic and prehistoric humanity known to science and civilization, in reality constitutes only the outer circle of humanity, within which there are several other circles.
"So that we can imagine the whole of humanity, known as well as unknown to us, as consisting so to speak of several concentric circles.
"The inner circle is called the 'esoteric'; this circle consists of people who have attained the highest development possible for man, each one of whom possesses individuality in the fullest degree, that is to say, an indivisible 'I,' all forms of consciousness possible for man, full control over these states of consciousness, the whole of knowledge possible for man, and a free and independent will. They cannot perform actions opposed to their understanding or have an understanding which is not expressed by actions. At the same time there can be no discords among them, no differences of understanding. Therefore their activity is entirely co-ordinated and leads to one common aim without any kind of compulsion because it is based upon a common and identical understanding.

The next circle is called the 'mesoteric,' that is to say, the middle. People who belong to this circle possess all the qualities possessed by the members of the esoteric circle with the sole difference that their knowledge is of a more theoretical character.' This refers, of course, to knowledge of a cosmic character. They know and understand many things which have not yet found expression in their actions. They know more than they do. But their understanding is precisely as exact as, and therefore precisely identical with, the understanding of the people of the esoteric circle. Between them there can be, no discord, there can be no misunderstanding. One understands in the way they all understand, and all understand in the way one understands. But as was said before, this understanding compared with the understanding of the esoteric circle is somewhat more theoretical.
"The third circle is called the 'exoteric,' that is, the outer, because it is the outer circle of the inner part of humanity. The people who belong to this circle possess much of that which belongs to people of the esoteric and mesoteric circles but their cosmic knowledge is of a more philosophical character, that is to say, it is more abstract than the knowledge of the mesoteric circle. A member of the mesoteric circle calculates, a member of the exoteric circle contemplates. Their understanding may not be expressed in actions. But there cannot be differences in understanding between them. What one understands all the others understand.

"In literature which acknowledges the existence of esotericism humanity is usually divided into two circles only and the 'exoteric circle' as opposed to the 'esoteric,' is called ordinary life. In reality, as we see, the 'exoteric circle' is something very far from us and very high. For ordinary man this is already 'esotericism.'
" 'The outer circle' is the circle of mechanical humanity to which we belong and which alone we know. The first sign of this circle is that among people who belong to it there is not and there cannot be a common understanding. Everybody understands in his own way and all differently. This circle is sometimes called the circle of the 'confusion of tongues,' that is, the circle in which each one speaks in his own particular language, where no one understands another and takes no trouble to be understood. In this circle mutual understanding between people is impossible excepting in rare exceptional moments or in matters having no great significance, and which are confined to the limits of the given being. If people belonging to this circle become conscious of this general lack of understanding and acquire a desire to understand and to be understood, then it means they have an unconscious tendency towards the inner circle because mutual understanding begins only in the exoteric circle and is possible only there. But the consciousness of the lack of understanding usually comes to people in an altogether different form.

Also, we have:

A: Singing helps a bit. Reading exercises that are undertaken from the correct perspective also.
and:

Q: (L) Well... Yeah. I mean, our reading exercise is very interesting because there are quite a number of people engaged in it now in such a way that they are actually getting what is supposed to be gotten out of it. But there are others who are NOT getting what is supposed to be gotten out of it because... I don't know why (too much intellectualizing, perhaps). They’re just not at the place where they can yet have that perspective on it......

Notice that the reading exercise is not limited to FOTCM members...

One way to view the issue is that people who have knowledge, the big picture and its particulars (or cosmic knowledge paraphrazing Gurdjieff), will have similar perspectives (intellectual, emotional, spiritual, etc.) on things, and having true being divorced from external influences, they would be aligned in their aims by virtue of their own freewill because they are able to see the truth behind realities. On the other hand, a mechanical person will be influenced by local influences and programs, and people with this condition will aim at different aims, often cancelling each other.
 

Joe

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I wrote this on that particular session thread.

True colinearity, IMO, is a function of Seeing AND Doing, i.e. it's about sufficient faith in the cosmology and the process that it influences your actions, and taking action based on a particular reading of reality 'locks' in that reality. I think it is possible that many members here understand, but are somewhat lacking in taking action based on that understanding. Taking that action creates "colinearity" in the sense that it becomes a shared 'colinear' reality based on conditions-of-life-shaping decisions. As the Cs once said, people who sit on the fence too long eventually get splinters.
 

BHelmet

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The major clues are already in the explanation given by Laura.
Here is an extract from the In Search of the Miraculous book (in the recommended books list):




Also, we have:


and:



Notice that the reading exercise is not limited to FOTCM members...

One way to view the issue is that people who have knowledge, the big picture and its particulars (or cosmic knowledge paraphrazing Gurdjieff), will have similar perspectives (intellectual, emotional, spiritual, etc.) on things, and having true being divorced from external influences, they would be aligned in their aims by virtue of their own freewill because they are able to see the truth behind realities. On the other hand, a mechanical person will be influenced by local influences and programs, and people with this condition will aim at different aims, often cancelling each other.
Very well said and many thanks for Posting the reference material. My assessment (as drawn from the above) is that:

What we have Here, generally speaking, is a mixed bag of individuals who may think they are a part of one of these 3 circles, but in reality, we are likely far from even the outermost Circle which is actually quite an advanced state in and of itself. And so non-colinearity is a normal aspect of this situation.

And we have the C’s pointing this out in such a context that seems to me to be saying: “Hey, y’all might wanna take a look at this if you are interested in advancing to the next level”.

I will cut to the chase. And step onto the skinny branches. From the mesoteric level of calculating, a question might be this:

Could the mission to anchor the frequency for the transitional opportunity that is theoretically approaching For humanity Be more effectively and broadly carried out if this was acknowledged or established as a group aim in some way?

or said in another way: how can the boots on the ground participate in the harvest in a better way?
 

BHelmet

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I wrote this on that particular session thread.
Yeah, I like what you said, Joe. The way you described it is like what each of us individually can do. Although I would add “being“ along with “doing” and “seeing” to complete the third man theme.

I mean to aim at the elucidation of a group level aim.

Pointless? Futile? Insane?

If the souls who led Atlantis to its destruction are present today, might not the souls of those who participated in the Tower of Babel Project also be present?

Call me a deluded pompous ass if you like.
(That’s how I might react to me)
But if you don’t take a shot at the net now and again, you’re never going to score a goal.
 

Truth&Acceptance

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Just read in HS, Ch 17 Creativity/Entropy, part that speaks about Thought Centers of Being and Non-Being, very nicely expressed interconnection of Being (Seeing) and Doing, and how that relates to becoming collinear with other organic units transducing (similar) energies of Being.

Edit: "Becoming collinear" is in paragraph 3 on the page in attachment.
 

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Anthony

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When I think about colinearity, I assume we're talking about a shared goal towards which we are striving, an ideal that is placed above our own subjectivity and a love for something higher. Maybe we can call it truth or objectivity.

What gets in the way is our own subjectivity and the overall state of our being, as has been covered in the Wave series, and also by Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, Ashworth, modern psychology etc.

By having a share goal, and valuing it enough, we could, at least in theory, overcome the pull of "many I's" and arrive at something real. In practice though, it's a long process with many setbacks, back-and-forths, mistakes and so on.
 

BHelmet

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When I think about colinearity, I assume we're talking about a shared goal towards which we are striving, an ideal that is placed above our own subjectivity and a love for something higher. Maybe we can call it truth or objectivity.

What gets in the way is our own subjectivity and the overall state of our being, as has been covered in the Wave series, and also by Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, Ashworth, modern psychology etc.

By having a share goal, and valuing it enough, we could, at least in theory, overcome the pull of "many I's" and arrive at something real. In practice though, it's a long process with many setbacks, back-and-forths, mistakes and so on.
BOOM. That’s what I’m talking about. Somebody gets it. Thank you!
 

BHelmet

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I think somewhere the C’s posed the question way back when: do you have faith in these ideas?

If you have faith (And the objectivity to discern SEE what is true) and ACT based on that faith...consequently generate the possibility of stepping into a branching of reality (still STS) while simultaneously holding the door open and pointing the way out to others (STO), then that might be a worthwhile endeavor.
 

psychegram

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Chiming in on this thread because it's timely, and because I was one of the malefactors in the crypto thread mentioned in @BHelmet 's OP and very much agree that this is something that needs discussing.

The basic concept of task-orientation is an important one. Concrete goals help to focus the attention and activity of any group. As it is, the forum has a goal of a sort: gathering knowledge and doing the Work. This is extremely valuable, but also fairly open-ended. Different people interpret the Work somewhat differently; and there are divergent interests, which pull people in different directions. That's inevitable for any group organized around a primarily educational aim, as the forum is. It's a school, a study group, and a salon, fundamentally. This is very necessary, and very useful, but also unlikely to generate collinearity, at least not on its own. There's also the issue common to all esoteric groups, which is an innate tendency to become rather inward-looking. We've been very focused on the esoteric end of the exoteric-mesoteric-exoteric hierarchy, and that relative neglect of the exoteric may be precisely the problem.

The goal, as I see it, is anchoring the frequency such that a new world can be opened. The question is how? The C's suggested singing together, and while I have no doubt that's a powerful method it's something that only works in physical proximity - Zoom choirs tend not to be so beautiful. So that sounds like advice mainly for the Chateau crew, and whatever groups are large enough to get together in person in reasonable numbers. I don't think that's many yet.

That might point to the solution. As I see it, frequency anchoring works because it establishes resonance with others, who then serve to amplify and strengthen the signal, leading to positive feedback. Thus it necessarily involves bringing more people in. So, my entirely immodest proposal is to take a page from Paul, and initiate a program of proselytization.

This needn't mean standing on the street corner and preaching (though it could), but broadly, making outreach a priority. It could take a myriad of forms. Creative works are an obvious avenue - art, fiction, poetry, music, etc. There's SoTT, which is quite valuable, but SoTT's main function is to keep a wary eye on the developments in the world - again, necessary, but not sufficient. What I'm thinking of here is more along the lines of generating inspiring sacred art, meant not to bemoan the evils of the world, but to communicate the spiritual sustenance people need to overcome those evils.

In addition to sacred art, we might also think about educational outreach. The forum has over the years assembled a considerable storehouse of useful, practical knowledge regarding health, fitness, and medicine, to say nothing of science and history. Much of this information exists in scattered form in various extensive threads that, let's face it, most people don't have the time or energy to read.

Paleochristianity needs, in other words, to act a little bit more like Christianity has, with the goal of spreading the message to those with ears to hear in order that the message can make a difference in their lives. Christianity, traditionally, has spread itself via three means of persuasion: creating beautiful art; healing the sick; and establishing schools. Well, look around at the world! The art is execrable. The hospitals are disease factories. The schools serve to brainwash. No one is coming to fix that - and very probably no one is better suited to the task than us.

I realize this sounds ambitious. It is. It's meant to be. We need to think big right now. However, in principle I think this is something that can start in a myriad of small ways, and could start tomorrow.

The world picture this forum has assembled over the years has meant a lot to me, personally, as I know it has to others. I believe it to be extremely compelling and beautiful. It's a vision that's worth communicating. Proselytizing that vision, especially (crucially, really) if done mainly via teaching by example, would serve as an organizing principle that would bring greater coherence to this community, and would also have potentially very important consequences for our world.

I also think the time is very ripe for this. There's a widespread exhaustion with the corruption of the rotting institutions of the old world. A nausea with the deception and ugliness and alienation. People everywhere are looking for something better, not just politically and economically but also spiritually. The old religions have shown themselves unequal to the task, having been suborned to the darkness that envelopes the globe. The nihilistic materialism that has displaced the hollow shells of the old faith is itself a sterile, alien thing. Everywhere you look, you see little pockets of people trying to find something different - new agers, people trying on orthodox Christianity, alt health communities, UFO conspiracy theorists, and so on. All of them sensing there has to be more, but lacking the pieces to put it all together in a coherent fashion.

Meanwhile, this group has been patiently incubating the seed of something both profoundly new and profoundly old, which everyone involved has found to be a powerful tonic against the enervations of this grim age.

Maybe it's time for that seed to spread.
 

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I recently had a conversation with a few friends about something that might be related and I think it might fit in this thread.

The idea of collinearity is perhaps well understood by imagining a group of individuals who have freely chosen to move in the same direction as a response to the same knowledge, it's responding to reality in the same manner based on what each of them see.

So there's a collective factor in collinearity and an individual one as well. In the collective one there's a direction and an aim, values and principles which direct the collective movement, so to speak. But this aim is generated by the consensus of the many individual parts that compose this collective.

In this sense, I think it's useful to make the attempt to understand as fully as one can, the aim of the group in order to achieve a few things, most importantly to be able to answer the question of whether one truly belongs with said group or not. I think this is why it's useful, even essential, to read the material that is recommended as it contains the pieces that form the structure of the group's aim.

Secondly, and perhaps more crucial, is to find alignment within oneself, that is, working on several aspects of yourself so as to get as close as possible to align your physical existence with your intellectual one, and in turn with your emotional one. I think most of us have at some point realized how we can be intellectually certain of something yet our emotions dictated our behavior in an opposite direction of what is rational or viceversa, our emotions are muddled by our intellect.

A big part of it is also physical work, on things like sleep, dietary hygiene and overall health, etc., Because this is the vehicle used to exist in this reality. And it's hard work to tackle all these aspects of ourselves, and it could last a lifetime, but the understanding of the value fo such an endeavor is provided by the inspiration that the group aim emanates.

And choosing to undertake such work is perhaps the best way to aid the group aim and in turn further its progress, and so finding internal alignment in oneself, aligns one externally with the group, or at least facilitates the choice to belong or not.

my two cents
 

Truth&Acceptance

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When I think about colinearity, I assume we're talking about a shared goal towards which we are striving, an ideal that is placed above our own subjectivity and a love for something higher. Maybe we can call it truth or objectivity.

What gets in the way is our own subjectivity and the overall state of our being, as has been covered in the Wave series, and also by Gurdjieff, Mouravieff, Ashworth, modern psychology etc.

By having a share goal, and valuing it enough, we could, at least in theory, overcome the pull of "many I's" and arrive at something real. In practice though, it's a long process with many setbacks, back-and-forths, mistakes and so on.
I think that term colinearity as used here on the Forum is much more than just having a shared goal, even if called truth or objectivity. It also includes understanding, real visceral Understanding - assimilation of Knowledge with our whole Being, and utilizing/acting on it - Seeing and Doing.
In that regard, beside having optimally functioning mind/intellect, having a pure heart as much as possible is also important, and that's where physical work that @Alejo mentioned above comes into play; our bodies, apart from the coach and the driver, include also the horses.

The true colinearity, IMO, expressed in Mouravieff's words, would mean fusing/crystallizing individual magnetic centers around same, group centre of gravity.

My 2 cents.
 

BHelmet

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Wow. Beautiful things said by all.

In terms of organization around an aim, first might be the declaration that it is even POSSIBLE to discern and declare an aim.
Also: it is necessary? What might be the outcome. What might be the pitfalls? Laying the groundwork first.

Since this type of aim would be a group aim; first might be required an individual aim to be a part of a group aim.
So - is it possible? Is it worthwhile? Is it dangerous? WHY? and then psychegrams question: HOW? In what Way?

(and psychegram, forgive me for shooting your horse out from under you in the other thread. I regretted it upon reflection and tried to rescind it. It was a reaction to a wide range of participants and you were the lucky one who took the hit. Maybe it's because I think you are a keyboard player and I am a guitarist. Dogs and Cats? Leaving Drummers out of this one.! Didn't you mention you got a new synth? Anyway, I know anyone who has played in a band can "take it". So, I guess that is a left-handed compliment. Maybe a combined musical endeavor is in order? I digress)

All of this on top of the fact we all might be green idiot rookies or past failed masters but in any event, we are pathetically flawed and incomplete in the work.

However "they" DO seem to be hell bent on taking us ALL out.

Then an aim might be able to be stated after hashing through why it might be worthwhile, what its purpose is and what the dangers might be and if it is even possible.

All in spite of our individual shortcomings in the work given the current context of our shared external world.

Is the work ever going to be completed? When an individual reaches a certain state of knowledge do they get a gold watch and a one way ticket to 6D? Or is a possible final exam of 3D participating in a group aim, ready or not?

But perhaps it is not necessary? If individuals must complete their own lessons to graduate, perhaps nothing can really be done?

So, perhaps we could help a few more souls on the Styx Ferry?
The C's are attempting to assist those here who are earnestly seeking.

It is so hard (impossible?) to act in anything other than an STS fashion in this world.

I lay my life down and do this thing for you......(for me)

I suppose it could be tried. And I don't mean to force this. It just seems natural. Like why not? What the heck. I know of no other group around like this one. Maybe all we can do is set up a jamming signal? Maybe that is good enough? Like a Beacon in the fog that announces a creates the possiblility of this new reality... maybe that is it?

At any rate - it is a worthwhile endeavor to discuss this and figure it out, at the least...

and who knows what might be done?!
And what fun it might be.
 
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