Comet C/2012 S1 - ISON

It's SOOO "Hale Bopp." And remember what that load of nonsense did.
 
Laura said:
It's SOOO "Hale Bopp." And remember what that load of nonsense did.
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Yes, there is a lot of disinformation going on regarding this particular comet. It has been described at the beginning as "the comet of the century" (whatever it means) and all of the sudden it became a star, a planet, spaceships etc.

Here is the latest "mainstream" update on this comet : _http://www.nature.com/news/comet-expected-to-survive-close-sun-encounter-1.13924?WT.mc_id=FBK_NatureNews
Matthew Knight from the NASA Comet ISON Observing Campaign (CIOC) _http://www.isoncampaign.org/karl/ison-is-just-fine does not agree with Ferrin's prognostication (see _http://arxiv.org/pdf/1309.2288v1.pdf) based on simulations involving only tidal (gravitational) forces...

ISON comet is certainly interresting, but not for the reasons advanced by the youtube weirdos.

Edit: Also, when the spotlights are focused somewhere, one has keep eyes open on what might be elsewhere as well, OSIT
 
Laura said:
It's SOOO "Hale Bopp." And remember what that load of nonsense did.
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Yeah, I guess that every comet comes with its own crowd of weirdo's inventing all kind of theories about aliens and the end of the world and what not. Or perhaps they're the same people, I don't know. Hopefully people stop buying into their nonsense, and hopefully no doomsday cults predicting crazy stuff are invented because of this one. Though I don't count on it.
 
A little update for those who were following B. Gary's light curves. He was measuring the inner coma photometry, not the total photometry of the comet. This leaves Ferrin alone with his prognostication. Guess we will have to wait for the next compilation from CIOC :)
 
Hello,
There are more rumors surrounding ison.
Most important fact is the last article form VT : http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/10/13/what-can-be-told/

And a serie of recent captures, first one taken by a well known amateur astronomer which shows what happened when Ison interacted with Mars + some other vids & analysis (that should be even more analysed here)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUSXd4IkEkQ
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIymqqAoESU
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4I8FFYQNs
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcL5Q4niSc8
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2WXjRB9cA

In summary they are questionning if it's really a comet ?
I'm also wondering almost the same.
 
dredger said:
And a serie of recent captures, first one taken by a well known amateur astronomer which shows what happened when Ison interacted with Mars + some other vids & analysis (that should be even more analysed here)
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUSXd4IkEkQ
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIymqqAoESU
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xf4I8FFYQNs
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcL5Q4niSc8
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME2WXjRB9cA
In summary they are questionning if it's really a comet ?
I'm also wondering almost the same.
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Hello dredger,
A quick look at the videos (without sound- I'm at work) shows many issues already discussed in this thread.

The first video: This is exactly how no to image a planet. Any amateur would first focus on a bright star (point-source) and then point to the extended object (planet, etc) without changing the focus. Out-of-focus bright object brings up aberrations and so forth.

Second video: This is the wrong stacking of Hubble images taken at different moments of its orbit, already discussed in this thread.

Third video: Pixelisation (under-sampling).

Fourth video: Not sure what's the point of shaking still images and distorting them to make them move: poor editing it's laughable.

Fifth video: Long exposure: if your telescope follows the movement of the comet, the stars behind show trails, en effect well known in photography.

Sixth video: A star in the background: Comet tails are not completely opaque and it is very often to see stars through.

Here are some images taken by real amateur astronomers from all over the world: _http://spaceweathergallery.com/index.php?title=ison

That doesn't say that nothing is happening on Earth or in the skies, it's just that ISON is a comet. Whether there are other objects (not ISON) out there is another question.
 
Thanks for your fast answer mkrnhr,
Sorry for some re-post, but these vids are shown everywhere and I wanted to have a fast check.
Only matter is that I'll now fear to post something which hasn't yet been discussed, it's hard to find exactly the same youtube url for a vid, they are copied, re-posted and so on.
 
dredger said:
Thanks for your fast answer mkrnhr,
Sorry for some re-post, but these vids are shown everywhere and I wanted to have a fast check.
Only matter is that I'll now fear to post something which hasn't yet been discussed, it's hard to find exactly the same youtube url for a vid, they are copied, re-posted and so on.
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Hi dredger,
These videos are re-posted again and again but that has nothing to do with their validity. There is a lot of nonsense in youtube. Part of it is due to some innocent ignorance, but some of it is clearly disinformation. The only benefit IMHO is to learn little by little how to spot the disinfo, and sometimes to extract the useful info.
Learning is fun after all :)
Going through the whole thread from the beginning may prevent repetition, it's very useful when... the thread is lost.
 
Latest from Jim Mccanney......
October 22, 2013 ... comet ISON a few days ago developed a broader sunward spike than the thin one it developed during the mars interaction ... this indicates the electron spike has magnetic interactions on the sunward side ... what the ancients called "the horns of the bull" which i have talked about since my early work ... there are many ancient references to comets with this characteristic ... the standard science fairy tale science engine continues to fabricate any nonsense to "explain" what we are seeing ... they say it is a "jet" coming from the nucleus ... but holy rollin' nucleus batman and robin ... they comet nuclei are rotating tumbling entities so how on god's green comet (ISON continues to be luminescent with a bright green) does a jet remain stationary and by the way just happens to be pointed towards the sun ... in the dirty snowball comet model of fairy tale science the jet should be tumbling with the nucleus BUT IT IS NOT and is as noted stable pointing to the sun ... it of course is the sunward spike i talked about since day one in my Plasma Discharge Comet Model ... more this week on my weekly radio show along with a continued dialogue on my new information release ... jim mccanney

http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/
 
One thing that was mentioned in the past All and Everything show
was that media overhypes one comet and assigns too much value
in exclusion to all the rest that are currently not visable.
It also lowers the risk we assign to overhead explosions, dust and
other electrical phenomenon that are becoming more frequent.

Nassim Taleb said:
The press is making us mistake a mouse for an elephant, and an elephant for a mouse.
Today, in the U.S., many more people are dying from overfeeding than underfeeding, many
more people are killed by excessive comfort than discomfort, and for all the evil of the gun lobby,
firearms harm much, much fewer people (<1%) than the corn syprup, cereal, wheat, and orange
juice industries. I cannot believe that, in the 21st century, "intelligent" people would mistake the lurid for the statistical.
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No description for this image, but looks like it is visible with the naked eye. Don't know if it is real.

_http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomwildoner/10669167223/sizes/o/in/photostream/

10669167223_b7a1215a4a_o.jpg


I know this Picture is big but the comet is small. I mean if I make it smaller maybe it is not visible anymore.
Please check also the site to see it in full resolution.
 
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