concerning the exchange of energies in translation work

Green_Manalishi

Jedi Master
Details of a network include the necessity for those who are involved to invest "energy" in the exchange. If the individual comes upon the life work of another and expects to benefit and gain by that work, they will naturally wish to have their own position balanced by putting forth a commensurate amount of energy. Otherwise there will be an imbalance of energy. This then leads to an STS pyramid. An example of this principle in reverse is a teacher who demands payment for no real work on their own part. The fact that both of you have devoted yourselves to this work for not just a short time, but literally your entire lives, and have not asked for the support that this intensive labor earns has, in effect, created an imbalance for those who are benefiting. Many of those who are experiencing blocks in their own lives would find those blockages dissolved by the action of opening the flow of energy in the exchange. In your world, money equals energy!!

I have recently started helping in the work of translations of SotT articles. I noticed that after i do some translation work i get energized from i don't know where, to the point that i mustn't do this work before going to sleep because afterword i can't literally fall asleep. Now in my mind there could be two explanations for this, one being some kind of subjective idea that i'm doing something important in this world and that creates some kind of feedback that produces this energy (normally when we are is excited with something we tend to fell more energetic), the other could be a process (which i can't comment because i really don't understand it) described by the C's, that i have posted above, concerning the exchange and balance of energies by reciprocal work in a network.
If the second idea is somewhat true, how could it be a balancing of energies if i feel that i'm gaining more energy than the one i'm spending in doing the translations? Is it perhaps because some of my "blocks" are being dissolved by this exchange of energy and thus by removing this blocks i'm feeling more energy available?
Have any of you felt something like this and what do you think about it?
 
Hi Green_Manalishi,

Have any of you felt something like this and what do you think about it?

Yes, I've felt the same thing. I do feel very energized when working for the translation team
and after it.

Is it perhaps because some of my "blocks" are being dissolved by this exchange of energy and thus by removing this blocks i'm feeling more energy available?

This seems like a reasonable explanation to me, but I cannot say I'm understanding the process either.

And maybe what is being added is that by helping in the translation group one becomes a part of the network,
one is giving in energy, which is serving to others and thus also serving yourself. You know, that thing about
serving self by serving others. And when being part of this sharing network, you in turn are part of the
sharing-energies-network. Hope that makes sense. In any case, I don't understand it either.

In this endeavour I've always been following a pathway on which I'm practically blind, that is, I know I need to
do it as it is a way of Giving Back, which is being confirmed by the inner state that results, which is full of joy
and energy and knowing I'm contributing my miniscule share to this community (while I hope I will be able to
ever intensify my contributions).

So thanks for asking these questions. Maybe someone else can illuminate us on it.
 
The elder members of this forum will know better, but I believe, I know this synergetic effect either. Whenever I was part of a freely formed, creative team, that had a non-profit-vision, that was bigger than all those small me's and egos, it felt like being part of a shared stream of consciousness. The process of developing this higher consciousness, letting it grow, was the only thing everone wanted to do, serving it purely, being able to forget yourselves. And it energizes each and everyone of us. Its like joining a collective kind of spirit. I don't know how else I could describe it. Its the team spirit. The purer you feel it, the more it energizes you. Its not about you or me: Its about IT. Maybe this is STO, I don't know. I am still figuring it out. All I know is, you can't force it to happen. It just happen's when things between people fit. Somehow you will be chosen. I hope I will be chosen now and then. This is how I want to be
:)
 
One more time! ;) ..., but I believe, I know this synergetic effect too. Whenever...
 
Green_Manalishi said:
I have recently started helping in the work of translations of SotT articles. I noticed that after i do some translation work i get energized from i don't know where, to the point that i mustn't do this work before going to sleep because afterword i can't literally fall asleep.

I too have felt this surge of energy, not only in when translating, but also when pushing myself to put a little bit more effort into participating at the forum, reading sott articles or the required reading, etc.

GM said:
Now in my mind there could be two explanations for this, one being some kind of subjective idea that i'm doing something important in this world and that creates some kind of feedback that produces this energy (normally when we are is excited with something we tend to fell more energetic), the other could be a process (which i can't comment because i really don't understand it) described by the C's, that i have posted above, concerning the exchange and balance of energies by reciprocal work in a network.
If the second idea is somewhat true, how could it be a balancing of energies if i feel that i'm gaining more energy than the one i'm spending in doing the translations? Is it perhaps because some of my "blocks" are being dissolved by this exchange of energy and thus by removing this blocks i'm feeling more energy available?

It seems that putting sincere amounts of effort and commitment into doing the Work (and translation-group is certainly a Work training ground ;) ) only brings benefits :D

Your question i think is answered by Gurdjieff in In Search of the Miraculous, pgs 232-235 (in my book edition at least), when he talks to his students of Super Efforts:

"You must understand", G said, " that ordinary efforts do not count. Only Super Efforts count. And so it is always and in everything. Those who do not wish to make super efforts had better give up everything and take care of their health". [i don't think G talks here about the way we take care of our health on this forum, but of the people who feel too "fragile" to put forth super efforts, imho]

"Can not super efforts be dangerous?" asked one of the audience who was usually particularly careful about his health.

"Of course they can", said G, "but it is better to die making efforts to awaken than to live in sleep. That's one thing. For another thing it is not so easy to die from efforts. We have much more strength than we think. But we never make use of it. You must understand one feature of the organization of the human machine.
”A very important role in the human machine is played by a certain kind of accumulator. There are two small accumulators near each center filled with the particular substance necessary for the work of the given center.

“In addition, there is in the organism a large accumulator which feeds the small ones. The small accumulators are connected together, and further, each of them is connected with the center next to which it stands, as well as with the large accumulator.”

[…]

“Accumulators work in the following way,” he said. “Let us suppose that a man is working or is reading a difficult book and trying to understand it, in which case several ‘tolls’ revolve in the thinking apparatus in his head. …

In the first instance the intellectual center, … draw the energy necessary for their work from the small accumulators. When an accumulator is nearly empty a man feels tired. He would like to stop, … to think of something else if he is solving a difficult problem. But quite unexpectedly he feels an inflow of strength, and he is once more able to … work. This means that the center has become connected to with the second accumulator and is taking energy from it. Meanwhile the first accumulator is refilling with energy from the large accumulator. The work of the center goes on. … Sometimes a short rest is required to insure this connection. Sometimes a shock, sometimes an effort. Anyway the work goes on. After a certain time the store of energy in the second accumulator also becomes exhauster. The man again feels tired.

“Again an external shock, or a short rest, or a cigarette, or an effort, and he is connected with the first accumulator. But it may easily happen that the center has drawn energy from the second accumulator so quickly that the first one has had no time to refill itself from the large accumulator, and has take only half the energy it can hold; it is only half full.

“Having become connected with the first accumulator the centre begins to draw energy from it, whie the second accumulator becomes connected with and draws energy from the large accumulator. But this time the first accumulator was only half full. The centre quickly exhausts its energy, and in the meantime the second accumulator has succeeded in getting only a quarter full. The centre becomes connected with it, swiftly exhausts all its energy, and connects once more with the first accumulator, and so on. After a certain time the organism is brought to such a state that neither of the smaller accumulators has a drop of energy left. This time the man feels really tired. He almost falls down, he almost drops asleep, or else his organism becomes affected, he starts a headache, palpitations begin, or he feels sick.

“Then suddenly, again a short rest, or an external shock, or an effort, begins a new flow of energy and the man is once again able to think, …

“This means that the center has become connected directly to the large accumulator. The large accumulator contains an enormous amount of energy. Connected to the large accumulator a man is literally able to perform miracles. But, of course, if the ‘tolls’ continue to turn and energy which is made from air, food, and impressions continues to pour out of the large accumulator faster than it pours in, then there comes a moment when the large accumulator is drained of all energy and the organism dies. But this happens very seldom. Usually the organism automatically stops working long before this. …

[…]

Our aim … is to learn to connect the necessary center with the large accumulator. So long as we are unable to do this, all our work will be wasted, because we shall fall asleep before our efforts can give any kind of results.

“Small accumulators suffice for the ordinary, everyday work of life. But for work on oneself, for inner growth, and for the efforts which are required for a man who enters the way, the energy from these small accumulators is not enough.

“We must learn how to draw energy straight from the large accumulator.

“This however is possible only with the help of the emotional center. It is essential that this be understood. The connection with the large accumulator can be effected only through the emotional center. The instinctive, moving, and the intellectual centers, by themselves, can feed only on the small accumulators.

“This is precisely what people do not understand. Therefore their aim must be the development of the emotional center. The emotional center is an apparatus much more subtle than the intellectual center, particularly if we take into consideration the fact that in the whole of the intellectual center the only part that works is the formatory apparatus and that many things are quite inaccessible to the intellectual center. If anyone desires to know and understand more than he actually knows and understands, he must remember that this new knowledge and this new understanding will come through the emotional center and not through the intellectual center.”

I hope this helps...

And floetus, in case you missed it, after you submit your post, on the right hand side of your posted message there's 3 little icons, and the middle one says "modify". If you press on it, you'll be able to enter the post you wrote again and make any changes and modifications you wish within, without the need to write new posts ;) Just don't alter it completely, this will really confuse the rest of us :scared: :P
 
Hello Alana :)

We must learn how to draw energy straight from the large accumulator. This however is possible only with the help of the emotional center.
That is why we are supposed to cultivate advanced breathing techniques, isn't it? I must admit, my emotional center seems to be pretty much underdeveloped. Instead my intellectual center is so blown up that my head looks like a silly clowns balloon. And it's way too heavy. Sometimes I can barely walk and I get tired after a few steps. Thank you for lighting this up. This book In Search of the Miraculous seems to be a must-have.

And floetus, in case you missed it, after you submit your post, on the right hand side of your posted message there's 3 little icons, and the middle one says "modify".
This feature does not apply any more. They changed it. Only padawan learners and members above are allowed to re-edit their posts.
 
Thanks for the responses, and Alana for the G quote.

So this surge of energy is filling our large accumulator. This being so it would have to enter in the impression category.

energy which is made from air, food, and impressions

And that would make the energy we feel an effect of the impression that we are doing something important when we help out in translating. Of course this would only account for the storage of the energies and not directly taping them.

The connection with the large accumulator can be effected only through the emotional center.

Could this helping in the translation work, somehow help the emotional centre grow, could it be the networking aspect of it? Perhaps the aspect of giving something (in this case a bit of labour and time for the translations) can have some kind of emotional aspect. Other than that i can't think of anything that could be related to the grow of the emotional centre.
 
Concerning this thread these are my present thoughts:

I am regarding 'the work' as a kind of
hobby, that does not feel like work, because it really is necessary! It helps us
to evolve and that is exactly why I am here for, isn't it? Growing instead of
metastasizing :)

That's the spirit, they are afraid of, isn't it? THERE IS NO GOLD! ;)

I WANT to be Sméagol and even if it turns out, that LAURA has been tricking us
all along, that she is actually Grima Wormtongue, the fact that we believe in
the opportunity of NOTRICK, proves that there IS a way of NOTRICK! The historic
fact, that there are allways people, who end up being betrayed by them, proves
the alternative. It is something we can count on, isn't it?

If there weren't any con men, our true spirit would work quite well :) Of course I know, we need those bastards to learn this lesson ;) So, HAIL TO THE FRAGGING BASTARDS! One fine day even they will learn: What goes around, comes around ;)
 
Floetus,
as far as I know it's not allowed to post extracts from the sott_translate group here in the forum,
unless you've asked, and thus my post is abundent. :huh:
 
Puzzle said:
Floetus,
as far as I know it's not allowed to post extracts from the sott_translate group here in the forum,
unless you've asked, and thus my post is abundent. :huh:

Now I know! :umm: Sorry. Ok, and why is that? However, I won't do it again! These thoughts just seemed to fit this thread. I meant no harm.
 
floetus said:
I meant no harm.

I'm sure you didn't, so no worries. :)

As to the why, it's because it's a private group and whatever we discuss is for
registered members only.

Also, in your quote you mentioned Data's name, maybe, depending on Data's take on this,
you could edit that?
 
That's why I have changed my post. I erased those quotes, but kept my thoughts. No harm :) :P
 
I just have a little question about the impressions and energy being focused in this direct assistance to the group. Could this be akin to what is talked about in the 4th Way teachings as the C influences? If I'm correct in assuming that A influences are of the world, B influences form the magnetic center and lead us to the work, then could C influences be the impressions gained by directly contributing to the work?

GM said:
“This however is possible only with the help of the emotional center. It is essential that this be understood. The connection with the large accumulator can be effected only through the emotional center. The instinctive, moving, and the intellectual centers, by themselves, can feed only on the small accumulators."

Reminds me of "Divine Cosmic Mind, carried in the heart, ruler of the mind, savior of the soul"
Sorry if this is just noise!!
 
floetus said:
FIFTY! Now I am allowed to correct my spelling after posting. :D

Hi floetus,

I don't want to sound offensive or judgmental but i am rereading wave and your post reminded me this part :
[quote author=from Wave]
Then, of course, there is the question of making "leaps" as described above - wanting to "skip over" the 3rd density part and go right back to where all is wonderful and happy and peaceful. One has to realize that this sort of thinking is more deeply STS than it might at first appear because, in the end, what is wanted is to escape the hard work of learning the lessons of this density.
[/quote]
 
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