concerning the exchange of energies in translation work

[Green_Manalishi]

I've noticed it also, in my case it is more like a feeling of joy and general well-being.

Yes, it is all interconnected, joy, general well-being and energy. :)

I've had this feeling of anxiety while reading Sott or the Forum, until I reach this point where I can't read an entire article anymore, I just can't concentrate, I have to jump from one thing to another, and then I realize that I don't want to read anymore. It's like feeling full and in debt after taking without giving back,

Yes it also happens with me (and not only with the forum but also with books that relate to the subjects discussed here), although i never thought it could derive from "taking and not giving", i have always ascribed it to lack of energy and concentration without thinking why (and here we came around full circle, we do some work for the group and we fell more energized). I shall look carefully to my "inner movements" to see if this is true, if this "taking and not giving" is behind, at least in some part, for the lack of concentration.

I understood the other way: due to the effort the connexion with the large accumulator is done, thus the enery comes from it, thus it empties itself. I'm I wrong?

Yes you are right, instead of using the energy of the 2 small ones the real work is to link directly to the large accumulator. Lack of energy on my part the first time i reed the text. :/ :)

 

[Faith]

Here's my take, in a nutshell, as Bud uses to say (A-influence?).

A-influences are more like fragments or small building elements, that can be used for a certain construction, whatever that might be. I am watching someone shopping, which reminds me of buying some milk, because it ran out early this week. OK, silly one. Maybe I am working on a certain solution and I remember something, I have read in a book years ago. So its something that helps me completing a certain construction like keeping the status quo of wellbeing (milk, coffee) or finding a solution for a certain problem. Thoughts and actions connected to the process of mimesis, that lead to an individual construction.

B-influence is more like a whole thing, that allready is a construction. But unlike those individual constructions, its more a collective one, that follows an evolutionary vision of any kind: Holism, Divine fractal patterns, organic connections, being part of a cosmic organism, performing the great moves of nature. It is what many generations of men and women are building together without knowing, pioneers inspiring next generations to continue the exploration of qualities and potentials. Like the art-revolution during the turn of the century, the golden age, when humans started to globalize the realm of creativity, getting rid of the bonds, following new tracks of learning, thinking, performing and connecting, starting some kind of psychedelic movement, making the mind and its potentials visible.

C-influence... hmm. Maybe this effects you, when you are completely identified with the evolutionary stream of consciousness, when there are no bonds, no limits and no egos, at least in thinking or something, when you are an STO-candidate perhaps. Didn't the Cassies told us, that we would or should learn to think limitless?

What do you think? Its just a start. Maybe I am completely wrong. Would not be the first time, as you might know ;)

 

[Hesper]

Hi Floetus

Your thoughts on the a and b influences are quite interesting to me. I think I may see what you mean when you say that the A influences are small building elements while the gestalt of these influences is the B influence. I also would like to add that I think that the observer(s) piecing this together are who create/absorb this B influence.

I also understand the influences to be different levels of Truth. A influences are like a matrix, they may seem random and wild or peaceful and calm but they keep on coming and don't seem to ever get exhausted. Out with the old, in with the new. To me B influences seem to be influences that you have to "feel" together to understand. I believe they are found in music, dramas, and well I guess any "conscious" work that is created by people and not by life itself. This might fit with what you write in the fact that they attempt to bring the A influences together to make a coherent picture, a "collective construction". They are kind of a pathway to seeing the underlying structure of the old and the new, and they produce a sense of an inner compass that helps you discern STO vs. STS or growth vs. entropy. And I think that once you've accumulated enough B influence material (objectivity?) then you might choose to align yourself with what you feel is your calling. If you end up making contact with someone(teacher?) who is apart of the production of these B influences that you've felt in life then that direct interaction is what creates these C influences. You're becoming apart of the Present rather than the past (living based on a influences). Anyways, hope this isn't just noise and a confusion of tongues but have a good day anyway! :)

 

[Faith]

I think I may see what you mean when you say that the A influences are small building elements while the gestalt of these influences is the B influence.

:) I didn't realize that 'gestalt' is also an English word! In the German language there is also the verb 'gestalten' which indicates the active process of being creative, forming a certain 'gestalt', any organic construction, any expressive pattern or form, that embodies a certain truth with an emotional depth.

To me B influences seem to be influences that you have to "feel" together to understand. I believe they are found in music, dramas, and well I guess any "conscious" work that is created by people and not by life itself.

:) To me 'gestalten' means to concentrate emotional bits and pieces of truth. There is a term for Art that expresses what I mean: Embodied Mind (consciousness). Officially 'gestalten' is mainly used for artistic constructions: But actually there are no limits, just those of our comprehension, because every deep and honest human activity has a certain artistic compound IMHO, even science or gardening, (sex?), cooking and organizing, parenting and education, if it is based on an open mind.

But that is just my subjective understanding of what Art might be, although I know some artists and even a scientist who would agree with this. I dare say that B-influences could be referred to any form of human creation that is linked to the divine pattern in a wholistic way, patterns that are omnipresent and somehow timeless: Embodied Cosmic Mind, so to speak.

I also would like to add that I think that the observer(s) piecing this together are who create/absorb this B influence.

:D Yeah, maybe: recognizing and performing patterns of the cosmic mind. It's like being in the groove or flow. Those states might indicate its presence.

And I think that once you've accumulated enough B influence material (objectivity?) then you might choose to align yourself with what you feel is your calling.

Oh yes! I am inspired by golden age artists. You could say I am aligning myself with a common spirit, that seems to somehow act through those artists. I am looking for connections outside of me, similarities, but not only within the realm of Art. As I have pointed out before, there are no real limits IMHO. It is all interconnected somehow. If only we could read the words of nature like our own. If only we knew what our lost ancestors had known, we probably would not need industries, computers, plastic and oil. Look what we have become: a folk of implants and prosthesis Someone destroyed our bridges and made walls out of it! :/ And I guess this someone is actually me!

If you end up making contact with someone(teacher?) who is apart of the production of these B influences that you've felt in life then that direct interaction is what creates these C influences. You're becoming apart of the Present rather than the past (living based on a influences).

That is what I do not understand! I thought Interacting with a teacher means networking, does not it? So every person I truly like to interact with, every potential networker is also a teacher, like you or the others. Same goes for every real friend I share common thoughts with. Oh boy! The mysterious C-influence. This is the most tricky part of the ABC, I guess. What is meant by teacher and who is apart from all this? Jesus?

Anyways, hope this isn't just noise and a confusion of tongues but have a good day anyway!

:) Likewise! But if we are making noise, someone will come for us. :/

 

[Faith]

What is meant by teacher and who is apart from all this? Jesus?

:P Oh boy! I do not see the wood for the trees! ISN'T IT OBVIOUS?! The CASSIES, for Christ's sake! OK, there are people, who can answer questions like mine by themselves. Thank you, Hespen! That was quite helpfull. Many brains are better than one brain.

 

[Hesper]

Oh boy! I do not to see the wood for the trees! ISN'T IT OBVIOUS?! The CASSIES, for Christ's sake!

Thanks for your response Floetus, you've got me inspired with the C's influences :) And Gestalten huh? I love it! I hadn't put the pieces of this puzzle together until your post:

I dare say that B-influences could be referred to any form of human creation that is linked to the divine pattern in a wholistic way, patterns that are omnipresent and somehow timeless: Embodied Cosmic Mind, so to speak.

I thought that B influences had to be created but now I'm more inclined to believe that they're a part of a constant communal discovery. Like the honey of the bees! Very nice Floetus :D Thanks

 

[Faith]

I thought that B influences had to be created but now I'm more inclined to believe that they're a part of a constant communal discovery. Like the honey of the bees!

Wicked. If I remember correctly the word 'shaman' or 'sarman' is somehow linked to the image of bees collecting the honey of knowledge or wisdom. Its one of the word's origins. Laura has followed those tracks back in time, as she wrote in 'the Wave'. I just know the German quotes, I have noted but I don't know the exact chapter.

Apparently humans cannot create at all, can they? They can discover what already has been created. They may see what really is out there. What we call 'to gestalten' or 'to design' or 'to invent' actually means 'to show, what already is there', 'to make the hidden more obvious', 'to play with forms and functions', 'to make variations of it', 'to imitate the gestalt of nature in various ways'. I realize this every time, when I am dealing with creature design. When you are watching all these hollywood creatures out there, the video-game-monsters, the fantasy illustrations or BBC, imagining how creatures may look like millions of years in the future, you can see, that every human creation is a patchwork of known forms and functions. It may has started with Hieronymus Bosch's 'naive' chimera, whose two or three different animal parts can clearly be discerned. Today's patchwork is more complex and subtle, the known forms are morphed together. The numerous element boundaries are blurred to the most alienated degree, but still it is the same principle (by the way, it was wasps that invented paper, not people: they scrape old wood fiber and mix it with their sticky saliva). It definitely is a constant communal discovery at best. And I guess, when you can arrange those bits and pieces according to the spirit of nature, you are 'gestalting' B-influences for all of us. Then you are in the GROOVE :D

Hespen, this was an enlightening journey! Learning the ABC is fun. :)

 

[Biomiast]

Wicked. If I remember correctly the word 'shaman' or 'sarman' is somehow linked to the image of bees collecting the honey of knowledge or wisdom. Its one of the word's origins. Laura has followed those tracks back in time, as she wrote in 'the Wave'. I just know the German quotes, I have noted but I don't know the exact chapter.

Here it is:

The word shaman, may be related to Sarman. According to John G. Bennett, Sarmoung or Sarman:

"The pronunciation is the same for either spelling and the word can be assigned to old Persian. It does, in fact, appear in some of the Pahlawi texts...The word can be interpreted in three ways. It is the word for bee, which has always been a symbol of those who collect the precious 'honey' of traditional wisdom and preserve it for further generations. A collection of legends, well known in Armenian and Syrian circles with the title of The Bees, was revised by Mar Salamon, a Nestorian Archimandrite in the thirteenth century. The Bees refers to a mysterious power transmitted from the time of Zoroaster and made manifest in the time of Christ."

"Man" in Persian means "the quality transmitted by heredity and hence a distinguished family or race. It can be the repository of an heirloom or tradition. The word sar means head, both literally and in the sense of principal or chief. The combination sarman would thus mean the chief repository of the tradition..."

"And still another possible meaning of the word sarman is... literally, those whose heads have been purified." [John G. Bennett, Gurdjieff: Making of A New World]

Those whose heads have been purified! What an interesting idea! Especially when you consider the concept of Frequency Resonance Vibration and Orientation/Polarization.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/wave12e1.htm

 

[Faith]

Here it is:

:) Busy little bees.