concerning the exchange of energies in translation work

[Faith]

I don't want to sound offensive or judgmental but i am rereading wave and your post reminded me this part :

Hi chien anadolu :)

Hmm. I am a bit euphoric concerning my experiences with the forum. I give you that :) But do I really want to skip over the 3rd density part and go right back to where all is wonderful, happy and peaceful? Maybe so! But then there are people like you, who can prove me otherwise. It won't work the easy way, no matter how hard I try! I know that. I am still STS! Becoming a Padawan Learner means nothing! I just reached the fifty, which means, I have survived in this forum long enough to post more than fifty texts, lectures, answers and questions. That's all ;) How long do you think a psychopath could survive in this environment, pretending to be a model citizen?

Unfortunately nobody can be trusted. (So much for the wonderful, happy and peaceful place) I can't trust myself either ;) If the most powerful con man is tricking us, you must look out for everything, I guess :/ I really don't know if I could ever be an STO-candidate, but if I could, I probably would not notice.

 

[un chien anadolu]

But then there are people like you, who can prove me otherwise.

Likewise. I am sure that you (and others) are there for me (and for others) to show the alternative.

It won't work the easy way, no matter how hard I try! I know that. I am still STS!

Me too. It was a group decision after all, too late for complaining for each of us.

Becoming a Padawan Learner means nothing!

I don't feel proud of it but it means something for me.

How long do you think a psychopath could survive in this environment, pretending to be a model citizen?

Sorry, I didn't understand the relation but a successful one with a determined objective could survive for a long time, OSIT.

If the most powerful con man is tricking us, you must look out for everything, I guess :/ I really don't know if I could ever be an STO-candidate, but if I could, I probably would not notice.

Honestly I don't know or care either (believe it or not) if i will graduate into 4th density or not. But i think that being a "candidate" of STO is a concrete choice and like every choice it requires efforts and thus lessons. I have so many STS programs running in me and have many roads to walk and too much to learn, may be it will take a couple of cycles, but i am certain that I've chosen the STO pathway.

As I tried to express in my previous message I didn't mean to sound judgmental since we are all STS. I was reading that part of the Wave when I saw your post and I thought that it was a good example, that's all. :)

 

[anart]

How long do you think a psychopath could survive in this environment, pretending to be a model citizen?

Sorry, I didn't understand the relation but a successful one with a determined objective could survive for a long time, OSIT.

And they have - psychopaths are master mimics ...

Not saying that relates directly to you, floetus, I don't think it does - just accenting the truth that predators who camouflage are often the most efficient. However, sooner or later, they are found out - and lessons are learned!.

 

[Faith]

I just have a little question about the impressions and energy being focused in this direct assistance to the group. Could this be akin to what is talked about in the 4th Way teachings as the C influences? If I'm correct in assuming that A influences are of the world, B influences form the magnetic center and lead us to the work, then could C influences be the impressions gained by directly contributing to the work?

“This however is possible only with the help of the emotional center. It is essential that this be understood. The connection with the large accumulator can be effected only through the emotional center. The instinctive, moving, and the intellectual centers, by themselves, can feed only on the small accumulators."

Reminds me of "Divine Cosmic Mind, carried in the heart, ruler of the mind, savior of the soul"
Sorry if this is just noise!!

Can anybody answer this question? Unfortunately I haven't read this yet... about ABC-influences, sounds interesting :) where exactly does it come from? Gurdjieff?

 

[Vulcan59]

Hi floetus,

Have a read about the ABC influences here. :)

 

[Faith]

WOW That's what I like about Vulcans! They are fast and precise! And they always have their ears pricked up. Thanks :)

 

[Hesper]

Thanks for the assistance Vulcan, Floetus! I still don't have the capacity for discernment that can truly understand these influences so the above link to Cassiopedia was exactly what I needed to get the picture straight. Oh and congratulations on your 50+ posts Floetus :)

Can anybody answer this question? Unfortunately I haven't read this yet... about ABC-influences, sounds interesting where exactly does it come from? Gurdjieff?

Yes I believe the first time I ran across this information was while reading In Search of the Miraculous, and Ouspensky actually has some very detailed diagrams of the ABC influences in that book. I also believe Boris Mouravieff goes into the subject in some detail in his Gnosis trilogy. Hope this helps!

 

[Chu]

I meant no harm.

As to the why, it's because it's a private group and whatever we discuss is for
registered members only.

Also, in your quote you mentioned Data's name, maybe, depending on Data's take on this,
you could edit that?

Yes, this is important. Thanks for making the necessary changes, floetus. This was pointed out in the group. I suggest that you always keep up to date with the group's posts.

I have recently started helping in the work of translations of SotT articles. I noticed that after i do some translation work i get energized from i don't know where, to the point that i mustn't do this work before going to sleep because afterword i can't literally fall asleep. Now in my mind there could be two explanations for this, one being some kind of subjective idea that i'm doing something important in this world and that creates some kind of feedback that produces this energy (normally when we are is excited with something we tend to fell more energetic), the other could be a process (which i can't comment because i really don't understand it) described by the C's, that i have posted above, concerning the exchange and balance of energies by reciprocal work in a network.
If the second idea is somewhat true, how could it be a balancing of energies if i feel that i'm gaining more energy than the one i'm spending in doing the translations? Is it perhaps because some of my "blocks" are being dissolved by this exchange of energy and thus by removing this blocks i'm feeling more energy available?
Have any of you felt something like this and what do you think about it?

Very interesting points! IMHO, something that should also be considered is that assimilating this kind of material gives energy, because knowledge is energy. There have been studies about the brain and one's mother tongue that point out to connections between the mother tongue and certain emotions. I'm sure you have already experienced the fact that when you read/watch something in a foreign language you know, and then you do the same in your own language, it reaches you better (assuming that it is a good translation, of course). I know this has happened to me several times, no matter how well I speak other languages. In order to translate, you need to first understand the meaning very well, and then convey it in your own language. This process may activate some areas of your brain that help you connect better with it. It feels true in English, and then even more so in your language.

Like you, when I translate this material I also tend to get more energy. I attribute it to the above, and to the fact that one has to constantly keep in mind the readers who will be getting access to this information in their own language. This may reach them better. I think about people I love who may never be interested, but if only one of them does, or others whom I don't know, then that gives me hope.

These are just some ideas, FWIW. I don't know the exact answer to your question. Probably several factors have to do with this energy you feel.

 

[Green_Manalishi]

Hi.
Interesting point Ailén. It's like the information kind of "crystallizes in a superior way" when you make the effort to translate it to your own language. Yes that could contribute to it, but at the same time perhaps this happens best in a poetic texts, not in a scientific or current news texts.

I attribute it to the above, and to the fact that one has to constantly keep in mind the readers who will be getting access to this information in their own language. This may reach them better. I think about people I love who may never be interested, but if only one of them does, or others whom I don't know, then that gives me hope.

For me also, this is in my view the sensation that we are doing something important. You added an interesting factor i didn't thought of, hope. Hope that by doing this we can all get a more decent future. What was it that Gurdjieff or Mouravieff talked about 3 stages of man, Love, Faith and Hope (i don't recall if this were the 3).
But i have to admit that sometimes i'm really afraid that subconsciously, or even consciously (there's this little voice in the back of my head that has this opinion, and then another voice that tells me to keep it in check) , i'm doing this to get a "prize" at the end of the road, that i'll be rewarded for my "noble investment". It's kind of creating expectations, and false expectations at that.
Right now as i'm writing this i fell more energy, this is really an interesting phenomenon. :)

I just have a little question about the impressions and energy being focused in this direct assistance to the group. Could this be akin to what is talked about in the 4th Way teachings as the C influences? If I'm correct in assuming that A influences are of the world, B influences form the magnetic center and lead us to the work, then could C influences be the impressions gained by directly contributing to the work?

I would have to say no. Because i don't feel i'm "developed" (or whatever term you may wish to use) to be directingly contributing to the Work, and i fell this energy. I would say this is more B influences.

 

[Hesper]

Hi Green Manalishi

I just have a little question about the impressions and energy being focused in this direct assistance to the group. Could this be akin to what is talked about in the 4th Way teachings as the C influences? If I'm correct in assuming that A influences are of the world, B influences form the magnetic center and lead us to the work, then could C influences be the impressions gained by directly contributing to the work?

I would have to say no. Because i don't feel i'm "developed" (or whatever term you may wish to use) to be directingly contributing to the Work, and i fell this energy. I would say this is more B influences.

Yes I understand the hesitation. I too feel energy when it comes to more directly interacting with all of you, but I imagine it takes years of developing perspicacity under the instruction of a teacher to truly discern the influences. I'm just trying to figure these things out bit by bit! Thanks :)

modedit: fixed quote

 

[Faith]

Oh and congratulations on your 50+ posts Floetus :)

Yeah, thanks Maybe it means something after all. I'll keep my fingers crossed, for all of us!

Can anybody answer this question? Unfortunately I haven't read this yet... about ABC-influences, sounds interesting where exactly does it come from? Gurdjieff?

Yes I believe the first time I ran across this information was while reading In Search of the Miraculous, and Ouspensky actually has some very detailed diagrams of the ABC influences in that book. I also believe Boris Mouravieff goes into the subject in some detail in his Gnosis trilogy. Hope this helps!

This book definitely is a must-read Search of the Miraculous. Everyone talks about it. I am going to order it.

As I tried to express in my previous message I didn't mean to sound judgmental since we are all STS. I was reading that part of the Wave when I saw your post and I thought that it was a good example, that's all. :)

I guess, It was :P As I have learned from the Brain Chemistry and Cognitive Bias-thread, you are well adviced to see things with the believers eyes and afterwards to reflect the collected data most critically, also by the use of your networking skills. I put emphasis on most critically, especially when it comes to myself ;) At least it works in theory :P

Yes, this is important. Thanks for making the necessary changes, floetus. This was pointed out in the group. I suggest that you always keep up to date with the group's posts.

I will. It won`t happen again!

 

[Faith]

Have a read about the ABC influences here. :)

Now I know... ahem, not really. I thought I'd know the ABC ;) I guess I need concrete examples for B-influences to be sure. Maybe there is someone in this community who can describe one, that is definitely B-influence. I am not sure if those influences are exactly, what I think they are, and a collection of samples might be the only way to find out.


[quote author=Cassiopedia]
In some people there is a discriminatory power within them that allows them to discriminate between these two kinds of influences and they discern from this that there are certain influences that come from a source that is outside the mainstream of life...
[/quote]
I guess, I am lacking in discriminatory power. I mean, the text sounds like: There are people who can answer questions like yours by themselves. :P

 

[Username]

I noticed that after i do some translation work i get energized from i don't know where

I've noticed it also, in my case it is more like a feeling of joy and general well-being.

Now in my mind there could be two explanations for this, one being some kind of subjective idea that i'm doing something important in this world and that creates some kind of feedback that produces this energy (normally when we are is excited with something we tend to fell more energetic), the other could be a process (which i can't comment because i really don't understand it) described by the C's, that i have posted above, concerning the exchange and balance of energies by reciprocal work in a network.

Well, I think that the second hipothesis could be a good explanation. Many times, before getting in a translation, I've had this feeling of anxiety while reading Sott or the Forum, until I reach this point where I can't read an entire article anymore, I just can't concentrate, I have to jump from one thing to another, and then I realize that I don't want to read anymore. It's like feeling full and in debt after taking without giving back, so I decide to start a translation and the anxiety just dissapears and while i'm translating I have this kind of satisfaction of having been able to read the internal signs and be doing what I really needed to do. So I think that the anxiety could come from a block emerging from an imbalance and then the inflow of energy could come from that "balance of energies by reciprocal work in a network" that dissipates the block.

So this surge of energy is filling our large accumulator.

I understood the other way: due to the effort the connexion with the large accumulator is done, thus the enery comes from it, thus it empties itself. I'm I wrong?

 

[cubbex]

:)

So there is going to be the last chapters of the wave in English?

 

[Vulcan59]

:)
So there is going to be the last chapters of the wave in English?

Hi cubbex,
Not sure what you are asking. Wave 7 is already out and Wave 8, should be available soon and both are in English. :)