Connective Tissue Disorders/Ehler Danlos, the ECM and Chronic Issues - MCAS, CIRS, POTS, CFS, IBS, Dystonias, Pain, Proprioceptive Disorders, ETC.!

There is testimony of a woman named Elizabeth from Sweden who was diagnosed with Ehler-Danlos, POTS, and fibromyalgia. She was living in incredible debilitating fatigue and pain, but refused to let the diagnosis become her fate, and went looking for answers. She found that one of Irene Lyon's nervous system courses, based on a blend of Somatic Experiencing and Feldenkrais, has helped clear up all of her symptoms. Quite a remarkable story. There are a few other videos where she shares updates. The relief has not been transient, either - she's still feeling great even years later!


This is good to know, I think. In one interview, Irene asks Elizabeth if she thinks her genetics have changed. I liked this question, because the term 'genetic disorder' or 'hereditary syndrome' has the flavour of 'your diagnosis is your fate' to it. I think I subconsciously applied this to myself - I have a genetic issue, and given the severity of my symptoms, it was easy to get stuck in my thinking about it when in so much pain and discomfort. It was disheartening to say the least. Elizabeth's story gave me a good example to follow and opened up the door to healing again - thinking in unlimited terms. Regulating the nervous system probably didn't change her genetic code, just the way in which the code is expressed. A good reminder that DNA isn't a fixed destiny, it is a language that includes a huge range of potentials and possibilities. It all depends what letters and words we choose to use for the story we tell ourselves.

So trying to figure it out - given that 1) the nervous system is the basic platform for our lived experience, based to some extent on our gene code, 2) EDS is also genetic, 3) trauma effects the way our genes express, 4) so then trauma effects expression of EDS and other syndromes, 5) we inherit trauma from our ancestors, from past-lives and from this-life, and 6) nervous system therapies can release ancestral trauma, as well as past-life trauma and this-life trauma, 7) leading to reduced load on the nervous system, and reduced expression of debilitating syndrome effects. Anyways, that's my attempt to make sense of Elizabeth's story of finding her way into a healthy new experience of life.
Very interesting what she says about plants dying. My indoor ones I’ve had for many years are okay, I suppose they’re used to me, though the new ones I purchased this year, seeds and seedlings that I’ve tried to grow have either died, aren’t flourishing, or seem to be sick even in the same garden that plants I’ve had for years are thriving.

I did make the connection about my stress and physical health issues, so now if I’m doing that to plants I can only imagine how I’m affecting my whole environment.
 
There is testimony of a woman named Elizabeth from Sweden who was diagnosed with Ehler-Danlos, POTS, and fibromyalgia. She was living in incredible debilitating fatigue and pain, but refused to let the diagnosis become her fate, and went looking for answers. She found that one of Irene Lyon's nervous system courses, based on a blend of Somatic Experiencing and Feldenkrais, has helped clear up all of her symptoms. Quite a remarkable story. There are a few other videos where she shares updates. The relief has not been transient, either - she's still feeling great even years later!


This is good to know, I think. In one interview, Irene asks Elizabeth if she thinks her genetics have changed. I liked this question, because the term 'genetic disorder' or 'hereditary syndrome' has the flavour of 'your diagnosis is your fate' to it. I think I subconsciously applied this to myself - I have a genetic issue, and given the severity of my symptoms, it was easy to get stuck in my thinking about it when in so much pain and discomfort. It was disheartening to say the least. Elizabeth's story gave me a good example to follow and opened up the door to healing again - thinking in unlimited terms. Regulating the nervous system probably didn't change her genetic code, just the way in which the code is expressed. A good reminder that DNA isn't a fixed destiny, it is a language that includes a huge range of potentials and possibilities. It all depends what letters and words we choose to use for the story we tell ourselves.

So trying to figure it out - given that 1) the nervous system is the basic platform for our lived experience, based to some extent on our gene code, 2) EDS is also genetic, 3) trauma effects the way our genes express, 4) so then trauma effects expression of EDS and other syndromes, 5) we inherit trauma from our ancestors, from past-lives and from this-life, and 6) nervous system therapies can release ancestral trauma, as well as past-life trauma and this-life trauma, 7) leading to reduced load on the nervous system, and reduced expression of debilitating syndrome effects. Anyways, that's my attempt to make sense of Elizabeth's story of finding her way into a healthy new experience of life.

Beautifully expressed as usual, @iamthatis ! I think there is a lot of truth to it. Another way to think about it is that our genes are the "mold" we are born into (just like our zodiac sign, for example). But there is freedom and variability in terms of how they will get expressed. Each gene (and each sign, say) has its positives and negatives, and depending on how we conduct our lives and what we "tune into" via our genes, a lot can happen. It is also linked to the lessons we came here to learn. So, it's about discovery, working with what we each have, and making the best out of it. OSIT.

I watched the video quickly, and didn't catch what she was saying about Feldenkrais. I can't talk about it authoritatively, because I only had two classes on it in my life, but I think it can be extremely beneficial for working on the fascia, posture and pent-up emotions. I have benefited a lot from Holistic Gym, thanks to @France, and she is much better equipped to explain the differences between the two approaches. Anyway, that and Somatic work can be very healing, I think, on top of whatever you need to do to support, manage and even heal some of these usually called "untracktable" diseases. Not just at a physical, but also at am emotional level.

I hope this is not too off-topic!
 
I have benefited a lot from Holistic Gym, thanks to @France, and she is much better equipped to explain the differences between the two approaches. Anyway, that and Somatic work can be very healing, I think, on top of whatever you need to do to support, manage and even heal some of these usually called "untracktable" diseases. Not just at a physical, but also at am emotional level.

The biggest difference between the two approaches is that Holistic Gymnastics uses equipment to release tension and then work on posture.
These gentle gymnastics approaches are based on the movements babies make as they develop and learn to walk.
In Holistic Gymnastics, we meet with people individually to listen to their needs and check their posture.
Classes are given to a group of people, and we choose specific movements to help the group. It is a process that requires taking time during the movements, as slowness is one of the keys to the healing process.
During a class, there are phases of preparing the body through breathing and relaxation in order to mobilize the joints, followed by stretching and toning. These steps are repeated in each class if you attend as a group.
There are practitioners who work only with individuals. It's different.

I preferred Holistic Gymnastics because I love working with equipment to give the body the chance to release deeply. There are often hidden tensions in the fascia that make a joint less mobile, so the compensation in the posture remains tense.
This approach "Gymnastique Holistique" started by

Elsa Gindler
1885 - 1961​

her student:

Lily Ehrenfried
1896 - 1994 ....​


I also enjoy attending FeldenKrais classes. It gives me a different but interesting sensation.
Feldenkrais's approach :

Moshe Feldenkrais 1904-1984​


I am posting a reference for a colleague who teaches Holistic Gymnastics in France, but if you live in another area, there may be someone near you.

For my part, I can say that my training in Holistic Gymnastics liberated me from trigeminal neuralgia and many other tensions in my body.
Teaching groups of men and women for 18 years helped me slow down the rhythm of my life. My adrenal glands recovered, as did many other aspects of my posture. I will always be grateful for everything this bodywork has given me and continues to give me every day.
A teacher always learns from their students. This has been the case for me. Through teaching, I have understood that you cannot push the body to get quick results. There is a process, there is cellular memory, and there is a whole history to respect. Suggesting movements and observing the process of change in others means listening to the words (pains) that the body expresses.

Above all, teachers must repeat movements over and over again to really feel what is happening in the body. It is first and foremost a work on oneself before teaching.
 
For those interested, here is a free online Feldenkrais lesson designed specifically for those with hypermobility. I don't have that issue personally, or at least my presentation is imperceptible - but gave it a try. I found it to be kind of like trying to write with my left hand, fun and sort of annoying at the same time!


The full course is available here.

Do you often trip over your own feet? Or have unexplained joint pain? Or joint weakness, dislocations, or frequent injuries? If so, you are not alone. You may be on the ‘Joint Hypermobility Spectrum.’ Hypermobility is a connective tissue condition that causes our ligaments and tendons to be looser than normal. This can undermine the stability of our joints and make our body’s support system less effective.

Hypermobility effects people of all ages, and its severity varies widely. Some people are slightly hypermobile, and don’t even notice it. Other people with more significant hypermobility experience frequent sprains and intense joint pain that comes and goes, without apparent cause. Additional signs of hypermobility can include numbness in your limbs upon waking, or postural characteristics such as “collapsed” ankles, or “locked” knees.

Feldenkrais lessons are an ideal resource for people with hypermobility, because they are gentle, safe, and personalized. In the most natural way possible, they interact with your brain’s neuroplasticity to improve your muscular and skeletal organization.

We are delighted to announce an eight-week series with Guest Feldenkrais Teacher Maggy Burrowes addressing the unique concerns of living in a hypermobile body. Maggy has hypermobile joints herself, and has been using the Feldenkrais Method to live well with hypermobility, and navigate its unpredictable challenges.

With this series of Feldenkrais lessons, Maggy will guide you in developing better proprioception and a helpful understanding of your skeletal structure. You will learn how to reduce joint pain and muscular fatigue by distributing movement more evenly throughout your body, and how to let go of the unconscious effort involved in "holding yourself together," while gaining comfort, stability, and greater safety in your daily activities. This series is intended for those with hypermobility, and will also benefit anyone interested in improving their movement patterns and sense of structural integrity.

This series will help you to:
  • Improve your relationship with your structural hypermobility
  • Develop your sense of internal connections
  • Improve your balance and coordination
  • Improve your self-organization in sitting, standing, and moving
  • Feel yourself moving in a more integrated and coordinated way
  • Move with greater confidence and safety
  • Transfer effort from your overworked muscles to your skeletal structure
  • Refresh your essential movement patterns
  • Help your body to feel less unpredictable
 
Low dose is considered 50mg or less to have sub-microbial activity.

I was doing 20mg once a day with good results until a terrible flare up from stress caused me to halt everything out of confusion of what is and isn’t helping. I suspect that I’m intolerant of the capsules, I read that a lot of MCAS patients have gelatine and cellulose reactions.

I’m still in this flare and getting worse.

I’ll try 20mg x twice a day in powder form and report back in two weeks.
It’s been 3 weeks, I have some positive reports.
Within days of starting doxy there was a noticeable decrease in pain, it’s still there, that’s probably mostly due to my diet, I’m not being strict and just allowing some comfort eating (without beating myself up and feeling like a failure and a loser for not being disciplined like I usually would which I think has just made my body think it’s not good nor capable of healing and caused more problems from the constant belittlement and lack of trust) as I focus more on other more pressing issues, I’ll tackle diet after the new year.
The majority of symptoms of suspected MCAS were gone on day 4 of doxy (I got tested in the flare and had zero markers for raised histamine, in my blood and urine, so I probably do not MCAS), nights sweats dramatically decreased within a week, sleep in general has improved to where I’m sleeping 7-8 hours some nights without waking at all. I don’t wake up feeling like I’ve been hit by as many trucks, may be just one :-)

Very much decreased menstrual symptoms and discomfort is a welcome effect. I’m also noticing that I’m able to identify parts of my body during trauma healing sessions better and allowing the corresponding release, I want to cry a lot, though my general moodiness has decreased and I sense a growing joy out of the depression, anger and resentment that’s been my modus operandi for years.

I’m taking an out of date by 3 years doxy powder which may not even be as effective as in date stuff, I have a script for more when what I have runs low. I’ve quit taking all other supplements except mg, vit c, spirulina, glycine and berberine. Definitely feeling some health improvements so I’ll continue to do what I’m doing and see where I go.

I have just prepared a chest freezer for cold therapy, I’ll start using it in several days. I think, at least I hope, that the cold will put an end to any remaining pain. Mostly now my focus is healing trauma and having pain and discomfort fully managed is the top of the list to be able to sense my body better.
 
Midwestern Doctor published an article The Hidden Link Between Hypermobility, Vaccine Injury and Fluid Stagnation on 12/21.
  1. In this article, I will discuss how manganese plays a critical role in ligamentous strength, our preferred protocols for repairing ligamentous laxity and restoring fluid circulation in the body through restoring the physiologic zeta potential.
  2. Glyphosate (Roundup), a toxic but widely used herbicide, has a high affinity for chelating (trapping) certain minerals, one of which is manganese. Because of this, I believe the continually increasing levels of glyphosate in the environment have contributed to the current widespread deficiency of manganese.
  3. The article also addresses constitutional archetypes, vaccine injury, pharmaceutical injury, physical injury, liquid crystalline water, zeta potential, EMF, and more.
 
New video of Stafanie Seneff talking all things glyphosate. She thinks that the reason for increased rates of EDS is glyphosate substitution for glycine in DNA. For those with genetic tendency for EDS, the glyphosate can tip one over the edge (about 30 min in). Excellent talk on all the possible damage from glyphosate - animals and humans.

 
The new term for the increasing rates of allergies and food intolerances is, "Epithelial Barrier Dysfunction". While very elegant and seemingly complete as physiopathology for allergies, they would not dare mention vaccines as one of the causes of epithelial barrier dysfunction. The best you'll see is nanoparticles as causative agents.


Environmental exposures, epithelial barrier dysfunction, and the evolving landscape of allergic disorders and asthma

Immediate hypersensitivity disorders, such as asthma, food intolerance, and anaphylaxis, have risen dramatically since the 20th century, marking a shift in the global disease burden. While mast cells have been associated with IgE-mediated disorders, they also play important roles in homeostasis. To prevent chronic inflammation and aberrant tissue remodeling, tight regulation of mast cells is essential in response to microorganisms, autoantigens, and environmental changes.

The surge in mast cell-mediated disorders and evidence of mast cell interactions with epithelial and neural networks have led to the epithelial barrier hypothesis. This hypothesis extends the protective role of the epithelium by highlighting its integrated communication with both the nervous and immune systems, proposing that dysregulated nerve–mast cell signaling at epithelial barriers contributes to the development of immediate hypersensitivity disorders – both allergic and nonallergic phenotypes. In turn, it offers new strategies for prevention and treatment, focusing on restoring barrier integrity and modulating neuroimmune pathways.

Clinical populations including hypermobility syndromes, such as certain Ehlers–Danlos syndrome variants and Job syndrome, exemplify the systemic consequences of disrupted epithelial barriers and chronic nerve–mast cell dysregulation. Accordingly, this review discusses the co-emergence of hypersensitivity and hypermobility syndromes as manifestations of immune–neuro–epithelial dysfunction in the context of modern environmental change.

The article is behind a paywall, but these ones are available:


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Mechanisms of epithelial barrier theory. Perturbed gut integrity and permeability facilitate bacterial translocation and opportunistic pathogen colonization. Damaged epithelial cells produce TSLP, IL-25, and IL-33, followed by activation of immune cells. Type-2 cytokines and degranulation of mast cells exacerbate the inflammation and further attenuate barrier function.


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Epithelial barrier organization: Intestinal barrier, skin barrier, and airway barrier. TJs constitute an apical junctional complex that forms a continuous ring around the apicolateral region. AJs located underlying regulate the structure of apical-basolateral membrane areas. TJs and AJs bind together and link to the actin cytoskeleton via ZO-1, ZO-2, and ZO-3. Desmosomes are distributed on the lateral surface of the epithelial cells and connect epithelial cells to each other. To become functional, cadherins need to interact with cytoplasmic catenin proteins (β or p-120). α-Catenin does not bind directly to cadherins; it links the cadherin cell adhesion complex to the actin cytoskeleton via ZO-1. JAM, Junctional adhesion molecule.

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Epithelial cell activation and type 2 inflammation. Protease allergens, detergents, pollutants, and toxins in the air and in nutrients damage epithelial cells and induce to release TSLP, IL-33, and IL-25 from epithelia. TSLP stimulates the transformation of naive T cells to the TH2 subtype in the presence of IL-4. A general type 2 immune response develops. IL-4 and IL-13 from type 2 cytokines open epithelial TJ barrier. Type 2 cytokines stimulate eosinophils with IL-5, mucus production with IL-9, IgE switch in B cells with IL-4 and IL-13, vascular endothelium for eosinophil, and TH2 cell migration by IL-4 and IL-13. IL-33 and IL-25 stimulate ILC2s and they stimulate eosinophils and a general type 2 response by releasing IL-5 and IL-13. BAS, Basophil; EOS, eosinophil; MC, mast cell; NEU, neutrophil.
 
I have been following this thread with great interest, although I have unfortunately not contributed anything to it so far. Over the past two years, one of my main focuses has been understanding the connection between neurodivergent conditions and hypermobility.

Looking back at my own experiences, I remember that as a child I could perform unusual contortions with my legs—I could even place my feet behind my head. To this day, I can touch my nose with my tongue (a rather amusing sign of hypermobility). I suffered from recurrent blockages in the iliosacral joint (ISG) and the costovertebral joints, and at the age of 28 I had my first herniated disc. I also had a nickel allergy and gastrointestinal issues. At 14, I underwent my first surgery to remove two large ovarian cysts. At 46, I was prescribed prism glasses.
Today, I know that I am neurodivergent—a combination of ADHD and Asperger’s syndrome, along with a generalized anxiety disorder that has been present since childhood. In recent years, all these individual symptoms have finally received a unifying explanation: hypermobility due to a connective tissue disorder.
What was particularly striking was that I have exceptionally good scar healing, and despite significant weight gain during two pregnancies (30 kg and 35 kg respectively), I developed no stretch marks at all. This initially seemed to rule out a connective tissue weakness. It was only through the COVID-19 pandemic and the associated research into Long COVID that the topic suddenly gained prominence, as Ehlers-Danlos syndrome (EDS) was increasingly discussed.

As a physiotherapist, I have noticed that almost all of my patients share a common underlying factor: hypermobility, which is the cause of their orthopedic problems.
In the meantime, I have completely restructured the diagnostic process in my practice. In many patients, I can already recognize hypermobility or connective tissue weakness at first glance—based on characteristic features in facial expression, gait, and overall movement patterns. I have been able to reduce the initial assessment to just a few essential points.

Diagnostics:
The Beighton Score becomes less reliable with increasing age, as degenerative changes such as osteoarthritis, polyarthritis, or stiffening due to muscle shortening reduce many of the signs. Typically, often hyperextension of the little fingers and thumbs remains, along with elbow extension of about 10 degrees, sickle-shaped knees, forward bending of the trunk, and hyperlordosis of the lumbar spine.
This is followed by questions about whether frequent manipulations of the thoracic spine (TWS) or the iliosacral joint (ISG) have taken place. Is there creaking in the cervical spine (CWS) or cracking sounds during joint movements? Are there problems with the temporomandibular joint?

Internal medicine:
Are there issues with the bowels (frequent diarrhea), food intolerances, or allergies since childhood?

Genetics/Epigenetics:
Is there a familial clustering of the mentioned symptoms? Are the person’s own children conspicuous with regard to the Beighton Scale? (There is an almost 100% correlation between mothers and at least one daughter.)

Pain:
Do pains occur similar to those in fibromyalgia, influenced by cold, heat, or stress?

Psychological:
Is the person rather anxious, highly sensitive (HSP), have they had panic attacks in the past, or experienced difficulties with mathematics or reading?

Gynecological:
Have there been cysts, period pains, weight gain, or known endometriosis? PCO

Vascular:
Are there indications of a vascular compression syndrome such as nutcracker syndrome or May-Thurner syndrome? Do varicose veins occur?

The diagnostic process usually takes 15 minutes and provides a very good overview; some details are added during the course of treatment.
The biggest problem in therapy is the complete lack of knowledge among doctors and therapists regarding the treatment of hypermobile patients. We were not trained for this. My great advantage was that my first profession was as a masseur, where we were specifically trained in connective tissue. Today, I would say that this profession has effectively been erased, because only in that profession was a deep understanding of connective tissue as a sensory organ taught.
As a physiotherapist, one is more of a technician – it is not about a deep understanding of connective tissue. Physiotherapists often torment the connective tissue with foam rollers, trigger point devices, and massage guns. Doctors frequently give the advice: “Do more exercise, you have no muscles.” However, highly sensitive connective tissue reacts extremely to pressure with mast cell activation and subsequent pain development.
Proprioception is the biggest problem: signal transmission is impaired, and the body/brain does not correctly recognize its position in space. Many of my patients have been greatly helped by Training Core Musculature, compression stockings, Orthesen, tight neuro-underwear, as well as weighted vests or weighted blankets. This also serves in the therapy of ADHD and neurodegenerative diseases (Alzheimer’s, dementia).

Overall, the information in this thread is worth its weight in gold, and I would like to thank everyone – especially @Gaby – for bringing light into this completely underestimated field.
 
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