Consciousness, Information and Measurements

[palestine]

I would tend to imagine that the scope of the research would be a connector going up to the 7th.

Basic scientist use to go eureka and "we need to add a fourth dimension in the equation" - while it wouldn't be sufficient - unless it's enough for accounting up to the infinite - what the I.F. consists of.

Just some thoughts. Looking at something which transcends all towards 3D (and even lower). What would be the perennial characteristics of such sesame? "universality", "pure information vehicle", a "basic information shell"?

Somehow, 4th D packets, 6th D packets of information should be daily sent, a bit everywhere.

 

[msasa79]

We kind of already have a description for a consciousness information recording and storing in its being as in a body of cosmic information field presented by the Pythagorean spiral, if we read it from the creative and open-minded point of view.

In comment on Ark's blog dated March 22nd 2025, a possible 2 dimensional situation was discussed, copy-pasted in quote box below, while here maybe a bit more realistic potential 3 dimensional case would be presented. A related "hard core" math work would be shown in details on another occasion not to bludgeon anybody too much here.

In short, process of consciousness recording and storing information could be represented by Pythagorean spiral, by the following description that speaks about 2-dim case, but most probably would work also for 3-dim.

We start at some point, observe around us and record the observation as a circle or "scan" and fill the area of a circle inside, as in complex scalar plane. This gives us unit radius as a measure. Then we go or step on the circle line of the area just drawn, going in tangent direction from where we previously were, at the beginning it's any direction as tangent to the point is just a radial line. There we make new observation which again corresponds to the area of the unit circle we just made, that is π. To store that information in our internal bodies or informational beings, we again go in tangent direction to the original circle in a unit length step, increasing our radius to Sqrt(2), which gives exactly enough area to store that π information just recorded, as R²π is now 2π. The internal angle made by the unit step in tangent direction is tanφ=1/Sqrt(1).

In the new position we might again make new observation corresponding to unit circle area, π, and to store the information recorded we again make a step in tangent direction, increasing internal radius in n-th step as Sqrt(n+1) and internal area in each step for another π. The internal angle made in n-th step would then be tanφ_n=1/Sqrt(n).
So each observation would count as a rotation for 2π and an area of π, which would be stored inside with corresponding increase of internal radius, looking like Pythagorean spiral where each step or right triangle represents new observation and information recording.

In the context of dimensions, the Pythagorean spiral might be viewed as a sort of a template for multidimensional or maybe even more adequate term might be for infinitely dimensional informational consciousness being as in informational body. Such a representation can be geometrically "justified" by the fact that each new or next line of square root magnitude, i.e. Sqrt(n+1), is created by adding an unit 1 in perpendicular direction to previous square root line, i.e. Sqrt(n), which in such way then stands for the magnitude of the sum of unit vectors that are each perpendicular to the others, that is to the sum of previous unit vectors. And a unit perpendicular to the sum of other units is de facto representative of a new orthogonal dimension in the story, although such a view can rather quickly get out of sight when we work in only 2 spatial dimensions and draw things on paper as shown in the image below.



The image shows two connected spirals, rotated for angle π, so for this discussion we might concentrate on only one of them, and it doesn't really matter on which one. The greenish contour describes a circle of unit radius, which if we are going to talk about a 3 dimensional case, represents in fact a sphere or a ball of the same unit radius. The situation here might be considered as a continuation of that "initial" origin light spark or expanding light sphere that illuminated the consciousness as a being of cosmic information field described in short in Comment 4 of second post in the thread. The unit radius of the being, that is our sphere here, might stand for the initial arrangement of information by truth which kind of makes the very core of our beings.

Having had our core beings well defined, we might take a look at the contact area with the rest or with the other parts of the cosmic information field. In our simple spherical 3-dim model in exposition here, the contact area can be represented by the surface of our being's sphere body, which amounts to 4πR². On the other hand, total so called solid angle (Wikipedia link), which represents the overall let's say view we could make when we would observe the world around us in every possible direction, would amount to 4π. This then means that the total information gained or recorded from a complete scan or observation of the world around us, which would in fact include the cosmic information field inside and outside sort to say, would be 4π. And Pythagorean spiral describes an easy way how to store that information in the multidimensional informational being sphere body, sort of adding a new dimension to what's already there.

Geometrically it means "going" for a unit step in tangent direction, shown as blue unit lines perpendicular to Sqrt(n) radial lines in the image above, to the existing sphere, which surfaces are represented by red curves in the image. In that way, our radius of the being sphere body grows from Sqrt(n) to Sqrt(n+1), and the new surface of the being sphere is now 4πR²=4π(n+1) which is exactly larger for that 4π recorded amount of information from the previous being sphere's surface, i.e. 4πR²=4πn. Just like there are infinitely many ways to draw a line through a point, and so infinitely many possible ways to choose a radial line that would play the role of the sphere's radius and of possibly "starting" direction or reference line for an observation, there are infinitely many options to choose from when drawing a tangent to the sphere in a plane perpendicular to the already chosen radial direction. In other words, after each observation and recording of 4π new information, we basically have an infinite number of possibilities how to store that information in the being while still being and remaining arranged by truth. Of course, it is assumed here that we really know infinitely many ways or directions how to "add" new dimensions to our beings, just like in the manner of No. 8 of the short FOTCM SOP, quoted below.

1. The world is rational.
2. Human reason can, in principle, be developed more highly (through certain techniques).
3. There are systematic methods for the solution of all problems (also art, etc.).
4. There are other worlds and rational beings of a different and higher kind.
5. The world in which we live is not the only one in which we shall live or have lived.
6. There is incomparably more knowable a priori than is currently known.
7. The development of human thought since the Renaissance is thoroughly intelligible (durchaus einsichtige).
8. Reason in mankind will be developed in every direction.
9. Formal rights comprise a real science.
10. Materialism is false.
11. The higher beings are connected to the others by analogy, not by composition.
12. Concepts have an objective existence.
13. There is a scientific (exact) philosophy and theology, which deals with concepts of the highest abstractness; and this is also most highly fruitful for science.
14. Religions are, for the most part, bad but religion is not.

In addition to the above, we could point out how this description or exposition stemming from Pythagorean spiral might also point to the importance of working together as in the network and being collinear with others. When our core alignment is made by the objective truth, it is by extension collinear with any other arranged core beings by that very same truth. If two of that kind are to come together, their joined or unified being then has the size or the radius of (R₁+R₂), as R₁ and R₂ would be collinear. In that case the contact area with the rest of the cosmic information field would be not just the sum of the squares 4π(R₁²+R₂²)=8πR², when R₁=R₂=R, but the square of the sum, that is 4π(R₁+R₂)²=16πR².
In that sense, we might say that the network of collinear beings represents or weighs more, possibly even two times more if and when perfectly balanced beings would be joined, than just a simple sum of individual beings each on its own.

 

[msasa79]

Before the lunar standstill, we reached a tentative relation for complex scalar part of a biquaternion in the form of Ae^2π(k+i)τ, where we assumed that r₀, beside just rotating in a complex scalar plane as r₀e^iφ₀, also has a logarithmic spiral type dependence as r₀(φ₀)=Ae^kφ₀. Before that we also tentatively related angle φ₀ to time as Δτ = Δφ₀/(2π), so to get that final form r₀e^iφ₀ = Ae^2π(k+i)τ.

Now we are going to take a step back, and see what we can get from a bit more general approach using Pythagorean spiral, while keeping an eye on what light tells us and keeping in mind how to represent accordingly the DNA double helix in suitable mathematical framework. The line of thought goes something like this: Pythagorean spiral is an approximation of the Archimedean spiral, in general form of r = a + bθ; the Archimedean spirals inverted through a circle for example generate hyperbolic or reciprocal spirals, of general form r = a/θ, and hyperbolic spirals can also be generated as central projections of helixes that are sort of 3-dimensional spirals. So by finding appropriate representation of Pythagorean spiral, doubling it and inverting it, we might get a representation for central projection of the DNA double helix. That's the basic idea, and the rest is "hard core" math work to back it up, if it's possible.

Pythagorean spiral is basically made of right triangles, where each new triangle is created by adding a unit in perpendicular direction to the hypotenuse of the previous right triangle. Mathematically, denoting each line as a 2 dimensional vector (in bold), we then have the relation between hypotenuses of neighboring right triangles as R_n - R_n-1 = 1. Multiplying this relation by R_n-1 we get,
|R_n| |R_n-1| cos(φ_n) - |R_n-1|² = 0,
where φ_n is the angle between R_n and R_n-1, while |R_n| denotes the magnitude, that is |R_n|=Sqrt(n)=√n. Our "starting" vector of a spiral then has the unit magnitude |R₁|=√1=1. From the relation above we get the expression,
|R_n-1| (|R_n| cos(φ_n) - |R_n-1|) = 0,
which then gives cos(φ_n) = |R_n-1| / |R_n| = √(n-1) / √n.

Multiplying the above vector relation by R_n, which might be a bit safer thing to do as this 2d vector starts from |R₁|=1, we get,
|R_n|² - |R_n| |R_n-1| cos(φ_n) = |1| |R_n| cos(π-π/2-φ_n) = |R_n| cos(π/2-φ_n) = |R_n| sin(φ_n),
which then gives,
|R_n| (|R_n| - |R_n-1| cos(φ_n)) = |R_n| sin(φ_n),
and consequently the relation,
sin(φ_n) = |R_n| - |R_n-1| cos(φ_n) = (|R_n|² - |R_n-1|²) / |R_n| = 1 / |R_n| = 1 / √n.

For n=1, if we denote the origin point in our complex plane as a null vector R₀=0, we see that for angle φ₁ between R₀ and R₁ we get cos(φ₁)=0 and sin(φ₁)=1, that is φ₁=π/2, correctly indicating that R₀ is perpendicular to R₁ no matter which direction we choose for our starting vector of the spiral R₁, meaning that a null vector is orthogonal to all other vectors alike in whichever number of spatial dimensions we work with.

To use the fact that we have nice relations for sine and cosine of angles between neighboring hypotenuses of right triangles in Pythagorean spiral, we can now write 2d vectors R_n in polar notation, that is as complex numbers in a complex plane where x-axis represents real part and y-axis imaginary part of the complex number, z = x + iy = |z| (cosθ + isinθ). In our case the magnitudes of complex numbers |z| are simply the magnitudes of our vectors |R_n| = √n, while the angle θ, which is usually measured from the real x-axis in counterclockwise fashion, represents the sum of angles between our hypotenuses or vectors R_n, that is in 2d polar notation they look,
R_n = √n (cos(∑ⁿ_k=1φ_k) + i sin(∑ⁿ_k=1φ_k)).

Using this representation we now get for R₀=√0=0 as expected and a bit surprisingly for R₁=√1(cos(π/2)+isin(π/2))=i, which is the reason why in the image of double Pythagorean spiral in previous post in the thread, the "starting" lines R₁ appear collinear with the imaginary y-axis instead of usually with the real x-axis. We could easily move the R₁ to align with the x-axis by subtracting the angle π/2 from the sum, that is (∑ⁿ_k=1φ_k-π/2), and then use trigonometric identities cos(α-π/2)=sin(α) and sin(α-π/2)=-cos(α) to get adjusted expression R_n = √n (sin(∑ⁿ_k=1φ_k) - i cos(∑ⁿ_k=1φ_k)), but let's proceed without that adjustment for the time being. In that way we have that the complex conjugate of the starting line in the spiral R₁*=-i points in the opposite direction and not coinciding with the R₁, while also keeping the information that our initial or starting lines of the spirals are orthogonal to the point of origin or we might say to the scalar dimension in the story.

Although starting as a complex conjugate R₁*, the other spiral in the image in the previous post is not exactly the whole complex conjugate R_n* of the Pythagorean spiral series R_n. To be the exact complex conjugate series R_n*, the other spiral would need also to wind in the opposite direction, that is clockwise, or if we denote R_n = √n e^{i∑n_k=1φ_k}, its proper complex conjugate would be R_n* = √n e^{-i∑n_k=1φ_k}. Maybe if realized that before, the image would have showed proper R_n and R_n*, although it might have been a bit unclear and messy if drawn by hand. That's why Ark was asked for a bit of help to be able to plot the series R_n and R_n* in polar coordinates using Wolfram Mathematica, so hopefully in not too distant future we might have a nice visual representation of this spiral story.

The summation in the exponent of R_n in the passage above can then be written as a product,
e^{i∑n_k=1φ_k} = e^iφ₁ e^iφ₂ ... e^iφ_n = Πⁿ_k=1(e^iφ_k) = Πⁿ_k=1(cos(φ_k)+isin(φ_k)),
which when applying those relations for cosine and sine shown in the post above then turns into,
R_n = √n Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1)/√k + i/√k) = √n Πⁿ_k=1(1/√k (√(k-1) + i)) = √n/√(n!) Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1) + i) = 1/√((n-1)!) Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1) + i),
where the unit polar vector U_n becomes simply
U_n = e^{i∑n_k=1φ_k} = 1/√(n!) Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1) + i).
In that case, the complex conjugate R_n* looks like,
R_n* = √n U_n* = √n Πⁿ_k=1(cos(φ_k) - isin(φ_k)) = 1/√((n-1)!) Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1) - i).

Since the Pythagorean spiral in our story here de facto represents the Archimedean spiral r = a + bθ, we might now denote R_n ~ Θ_n, where Θ_n would stand for the equivalent series (up to the constant or normalization) of complex angles, which then as a relation for the "inverted", reciprocal or hyperbolic spiral gives a form of 1/Θ_n, that is ~ 1/R_n. The inverted complex number is in fact, expressed in polar notation,
1/z = (1 / |z|(cosθ + isinθ)) × (cosθ - isinθ)/(cosθ - isinθ) = 1/|z| × (cosθ - isinθ) = z* / |z|²,
which for the "inverted", reciprocal spiral to our Pythagorean spiral then gives the non normalized form of,
R_n* / |R_n|² = √n/n U_n* = 1/√n × 1/√(n!) × Πⁿ_k=1(√(k-1) - i).

In other words, if the series R_n represents the spiral in outer direction, "outside" of our consciousness being as a unit sphere informational body, that is its growth of the core of the being outwards, then the complex conjugate R_n*, up to the normalization factor, stands for a dual counterpart spiral that winds in the inner direction of our informational being, or represents the growth of the consciousness being of the core inwards, like perhaps to higher depths of the cosmic information field.

With this tentative realization in mind, maybe it might have been more appropriate to have adjusted the initial starting line of the spiral series so that both R_n and R_n* start basically from the same point, that is they would coincide as R₁=R₁*, and then R_n would wind outwards like in the image in previous post, while R_n* would then wind inwards in the opposite direction. That option would be presented at another time though, hopefully accompanied by nice Mathematica generated graphics or plots to make the story more pleasing to the eye and easier to visually depict. Who knows, maybe even some more new realizations could come out from that as well.

 

[Menna]

OK, that might be so, that we're just using different terminology.

The thing is, as I see it, that our level of awareness or consciousness, of our knowledge and/of being, determined how and "where" we plug into the cosmic information field or, maybe even better term to use, where we are in the Divine Cosmic Mind, in this specific reincarnational cycle. Kind of in line with what the C's said that it doesn't matter where we are, but who we are and what we see. And that extends to 5D too, for example Pierre does not see and experience 4D yet, because his knowledge and/of being is not at that level yet.

In that sense the DCM or the cosmic information field is omnipresent always everywhere in all its glory, beauty and fullness, but our FRV and ability to read the wave determines what kind of a blueprint of lessons we seek and sketch for ourselves to experience. And then we might go and find suitable realms to actually live those experiences.

Does this fit better to your view?

This touches on the information I have received personally and from multiple sources. Meaning a diolog must be had to hone in on understanding

Our consciousness/soul/spirit individual unit of consciousness that is the larger consciousness system DCM but also individual to us experiences 3D by being plugged into a human body with the senses that this body has within the 3D "rule" set. Gravity, time and what have you. Thus it is true that our knowledge and being determine how and where, however we must abide by the "rules" SO one can grow in awareness and knowledge being but is "stuck" or must live out this part of their reincarnation cycle. So who we are and what we see is important but it doesn't all of a sudden "change" the Density or rules you have to "play".

I agree what we do in the here and now does extend to 5D it extends to the DCM the larger consciousness system as it is a feedback relationship the larger system learns from our free will decisions and we work with what it allows us to work with "gives us"

The last part of your post I believe gives US too much power meaning we have to be ALLOWED to do certain things or GRANTED. We must IMO play out the life here in 3D meaning if our FRV advances that's great but that doesn't mean we all of a sudden phase out of this reality or that we can hold off the entropy here on Earth and avoid others free will decisions and we are totally free to create our reality...We can but to a certain point.

I agree that you can get to a certain point where you for lack of a better word "pick" your lessons or are in more control of what type of life you experience (the 4th way work helps you do this) BUT I must say from personal and esoteric experience there are certain lessons from past lives that MUST play out and the Free WILL decision MUST be made within the situation/dynamic/lesson. Once you come out on the other side you have more latitude of what lesson to choose however with the Rule Set here on Earth and within the body things happens and its not as cut and dry as sketching out a particular experience as one must deal with reality as it presents it self to you good, bad and ugly. Meaning you can grow your FRV, read the wave well, be a STO candidate however we are in a STS body in a STS realm with entropy. ITs our duty to lower the entropy, create order and progress in consciousness, spirit and all but its not as easy as Step 1: Grow FRV Step: 2 Be able to read the wave Step: 3 Create your realty ... I am more concerned about growing my consciousness in a positive direction, lowering my entropy and becoming as STO as possible while I deal with the reality I am in and all the while meeting responsibilities to people places and things and staying as healthy as possible and meeting my goals and responsibilities to others. There's a lot of work to do. It would be a gift to be left alone and have a clear runway to create/sketch out your reality like a child playing with toys in their playroom but as you know thats not have it is its not that simple...You can do so to a point as your Free will and control of life only extends so far there are alot of other people that you interact with they make their decisions and entropy on 3D is high...Keep progessing and gaining knowledge everyday.

This is more my view. Thanks for the convo.

 

[msasa79]

This touches on the information I have received personally and from multiple sources. Meaning a diolog must be had to hone in on understanding

Our consciousness/soul/spirit individual unit of consciousness that is the larger consciousness system DCM but also individual to us experiences 3D by being plugged into a human body with the senses that this body has within the 3D "rule" set. Gravity, time and what have you. Thus it is true that our knowledge and being determine how and where, however we must abide by the "rules" SO one can grow in awareness and knowledge being but is "stuck" or must live out this part of their reincarnation cycle. So who we are and what we see is important but it doesn't all of a sudden "change" the Density or rules you have to "play".

I agree what we do in the here and now does extend to 5D it extends to the DCM the larger consciousness system as it is a feedback relationship the larger system learns from our free will decisions and we work with what it allows us to work with "gives us"

The last part of your post I believe gives US too much power meaning we have to be ALLOWED to do certain things or GRANTED. We must IMO play out the life here in 3D meaning if our FRV advances that's great but that doesn't mean we all of a sudden phase out of this reality or that we can hold off the entropy here on Earth and avoid others free will decisions and we are totally free to create our reality...We can but to a certain point.

I agree that you can get to a certain point where you for lack of a better word "pick" your lessons or are in more control of what type of life you experience (the 4th way work helps you do this) BUT I must say from personal and esoteric experience there are certain lessons from past lives that MUST play out and the Free WILL decision MUST be made within the situation/dynamic/lesson. Once you come out on the other side you have more latitude of what lesson to choose however with the Rule Set here on Earth and within the body things happens and its not as cut and dry as sketching out a particular experience as one must deal with reality as it presents it self to you good, bad and ugly. Meaning you can grow your FRV, read the wave well, be a STO candidate however we are in a STS body in a STS realm with entropy. ITs our duty to lower the entropy, create order and progress in consciousness, spirit and all but its not as easy as Step 1: Grow FRV Step: 2 Be able to read the wave Step: 3 Create your realty ... I am more concerned about growing my consciousness in a positive direction, lowering my entropy and becoming as STO as possible while I deal with the reality I am in and all the while meeting responsibilities to people places and things and staying as healthy as possible and meeting my goals and responsibilities to others. There's a lot of work to do. It would be a gift to be left alone and have a clear runway to create/sketch out your reality like a child playing with toys in their playroom but as you know thats not have it is its not that simple...You can do so to a point as your Free will and control of life only extends so far there are alot of other people that you interact with they make their decisions and entropy on 3D is high...Keep progessing and gaining knowledge everyday.

This is more my view. Thanks for the convo.

Thanks for presenting your view on the subject.

Not much to add or comment except that when reading your words a distinct sound and taste of "have to", "must", "need to", "our duty" etc., caught my ear, and that's not just in this, but in many of your posts on the Forum. In addition to appearing like coming from a high place and telling others how things really are, but that could also be sort of my triggered reaction and consequent perception, so maybe better to leave that aside for the time being.

Regarding these "have to"s and "must"s, maybe the meditation YT video made by Renaissance might be of some help, as it has been extremely helpful in my case with basically same things that come across from your words, as they appear to me. The words of the meditation are in fact adopted sort of instructive suggestions from the C's, which can all be found as monthly notes on the FOTCM 2025 calendar.

Here's the part of the meditation transcript (not the exact match to the words in the video though) that might be of particular use.

I no longer have the need to control everything around me.
I do not impose my will on how I think the world, others, or myself should be.
Instead, I trust the universe, and I know that all is as it should be.

I am open to reality as it truly is.
I accept the light, knowledge, and love of the Divine, and I give it others.

I learn the lessons that are presented to me.
No matter the difficulty I face, I understand that all there is is lessons.
When I find myself distracted or distressed, I pause and remember that all there is is lessons.
This is one infinite school.

I do what is in front of me to do without expectation or anticipation of the outcome.
Everything I do in life is my choice.
As such I never hold resentments toward myself, others, or the world for anything I do.

And the Renaissance's post with the video itself.

Finally got it up! Here it is on youtube:

Hope you'll benefit from it.

 

[Menna]

Thanks for presenting your view on the subject.

Not much to add or comment except that when reading your words a distinct sound and taste of "have to", "must", "need to", "our duty" etc., caught my ear, and that's not just in this, but in many of your posts on the Forum. In addition to appearing like coming from a high place and telling others how things really are, but that could also be sort of my triggered reaction and consequent perception, so maybe better to leave that aside for the time being.

Regarding these "have to"s and "must"s, maybe the meditation YT video made by Renaissance might be of some help, as it has been extremely helpful in my case with basically same things that come across from your words, as they appear to me. The words of the meditation are in fact adopted sort of instructive suggestions from the C's, which can all be found as monthly notes on the FOTCM 2025 calendar.

Here's the part of the meditation transcript (not the exact match to the words in the video though) that might be of particular use.


And the Renaissance's post with the video itself.


Hope you'll benefit from it.

You think I’m coming from a “high place” in what regard? I’m not telling anyone what to do just facts gravity is in the rule set. Yes I believe from my experiences and knowledge and sources that it is our duty to become STO candidates, grow our conciousness in a low entropy mature way while interacting with reality (The 4th way) I am presenting facts from knowledge on the forum and other places in my response to people’s posts.

To commandeer my intent and say what you did in your response is fine you have free will but as do I. I was sincere in my post using knowledge experience and other info gained from others.

If you feel I am asserting something “over” you then it’s best I give you space and refrain from interacting as this is your current interpretation (which is off) but I must respect it.

Take care all the best

 

[axj]

If you feel I am asserting something “over” you then it’s best I give you space and refrain from interacting as this is your current interpretation (which is off) but I must respect it.

One of the ways to get closer to objective perception is to question every perception or belief about oneself. We are all prone to fooling ourselves which is why feedback in a networking environment can be helpful to uncover our blind spots and what we may be resisting to admit to ourselves.

It is of course up to you what you do with the feedback - immediately dismissing it or using it as a part of the Work on oneself. The feedback can be off too, but more often than not it contains at least something useful in it.

Just some observations and sharing.

 

[Menna]

One of the ways to get closer to objective perception is to question every perception or belief about oneself. We are all prone to fooling ourselves which is why feedback in a networking environment can be helpful to uncover our blind spots and what we may be resisting to admit to ourselves.

It is of course up to you what you do with the feedback - immediately dismissing it or using it as a part of the Work on oneself. The feedback can be off too, but more often than not it contains at least something useful in it.

Just some observations and sharing.

If strangers provide feedback opposite to your intent you analyze the feedback explain and move on… what do you call that?

This is an esoteric and work in thy self based forum so I speak about what’s important and factual based on factual experience and evidence. If the forum changed into something else let me know. It’s not mine just one of the fishes swimming in it

 

[axj]

If strangers provide feedback opposite to your intent you analyze the feedback explain and move on… what do you call that?

If you are serious about being brutally honest with yourself as a part of doing the Work, then maybe try being more open to the possibility that others can perceive something that you may be missing - this is a networking forum after all. None of us have all the answers and we all have blind spots about ourselves, which others may see more easily.

If the forum changed into something else let me know.

Maybe also look honestly at why you decided to say something like that. Does it help anyone?

 

[Nienna]

If you are serious about being brutally honest with yourself as a part of doing the Work, then maybe try being more open to the possibility that others can perceive something that you may be missing - this is a networking forum after all. None of us have all the answers and we all have blind spots about ourselves, which others may see more easily.

This is very true. There are a couple of books that explain this really well: "Strangers to Ourselves" and "You Are Not So Smart". They have quite a few examples of how we fool ourselves about ourselves. That's why we have a network so that others can let us know how they are seeing things. I've learned things about myself from strangers and their reactions to me. And they weren't doing the Work. They don't have to be in order to show us how they see us.

 

[msasa79]

If you feel I am asserting something “over” you then it’s best I give you space and refrain from interacting as this is your current interpretation (which is off) but I must respect it.

Me reckons that if there's a soul that's inclined towards the STO path it would probably take extra caution not to interfere too much or at all with our free will choices, even if they are being influenced by varying external forces, from parental and familial and societal programming to direct meddling of hyperdimensional STS oriented creatures. It would also probably be very "gentle" towards our whimsical and sometimes delusional beliefs as a part of our free will choices to adhere to them, leaving it to us to tackle with them at our own pace and time.

Also, there's an interesting Laura's comment in The Secret of the Kingdom of God YT audio/video commentary on FPTM book, about absolute honesty sometimes amounting to cruelty. Here's the relevant part of the video/audio transcipt:

57:51
But we all understand that that's a lie in a certain sense, because we also know that there are some lies that it's okay to tell.
57:58
Little white lies that preserve somebody else's feelings, at least momentarily. Telling the absolute total truth all the time in every moment can sometimes be an act of cruelty.
58:10
So be careful about that. But the lie in the sense of a big lie about our reality and about who we are and what we are and what we should be doing,
58:19
that's an entirely different thing.

Also, the thing about the entropy as in "we must lower it" and "so to create order" might be more complex and tricky than it meets the eye. As commented in the discussion with Ark on his blog few weeks ago, decreasing entropy in a sense of gaining information and bringing order can also be done in a sort of negative manner, by control and repression for example, like it's abundantly seen in our modern day society.

So, what I'm saying is that when you come across with "we must do that", "we have to do this", "it's our duty to act like this or do that", etc., and on top of that when saying things that appear to be stated with very high level of certainty, almost like obligations or rules to be followed, and appearing like preaching to others what's the Reality really like, and it's not just about the mathematical simple facts or truths, it's perceived like sort of hardened crystallized thing in the internal makeup or landscape, that allows for almost no flexibility and possibility that maybe, just maybe, things might not be so certain and set in stone as it could be inferred from your words. It does not in any way invalidate your experiences that might have brought you to those conclusions and perceptions though, but that the manner of their presentation to others and sort of your representation as you come across, give the strong impression of somebody who's not open to discussion and evaluation or examining every conclusion and basically belief, not matter how valid it might appear to be to its holder, in network setting.

In short, it's not about that "you assert yourself over" me or anybody, as far as I can see it, not in overt manner at least, but that your statements for the most part sound like "it's like that and that's it, fullstop", while when asked questions about your sort of proclamations and/or pointed out seemingly inconsistencies with what others might have deduced about the similar or the same thing, you apparently react in sort of triggered 'defense mode' manner, including the lines or statements like "do not try to talk to me" or something to that extent.

Like said before, it's just what your words and attitude in your posts appear to me, so a big FWIW.

 

[Menna]

When I come across information I don’t so much look at the messenger I more look at the topic and the message. For example in the 4th way if I read a book or phrase or paragraph and it rings true in me based on my in reality experience, prior knowledge and networking then I will dig in and research that info

I don’t attempt to look up the man and subjectively attribute sayings or words to their mentality or personality or the message they are getting across.

I use the data in me and when it mixes with the data I read - it either computes to a certain percentage or not at all or not enough. I also realize that there are in reality responsibilities and people have limited time as we all have only 24hrs a day (the rule set) so when I engage with someone I remember this for the most part it’s respecting the constraints we all share in 3D

My intent on posting is to pass on knowledge I have, network and to connect the dots towards STO and an efficient effective life while navigating all the nuances. Also, I write not only for the individual I am interacting with in the now but posts/threads are around here for years so I keep others in mind as well. Never know who comes across the information and puts in the work to research/discern

To be frank to not know a forum members and hide behind I read a few of your posts (there are most likely 1,000+ at this point) and bot get to know someone or at least ask questions before saying you are this or that is rude IMO based on how I was raised and the people I interact with in life and my experience. Similar to having one or two conversations with someone and then labeling them or thinking you know them or why they do what they do. The latter is easy so who can fault people for doing what’s easy. It’s very hard to have data come in and just leave it alone people have to “make things up” if they don’t want to order the data which takes work

You misconstrued IMPORTANCE with superior or whatever was in your head. I am sure the majority of the people here want to progress learn and grow. This is important work and I am only human. The work the knowledge is more important than me as it remains after I am gone. So to correct you I speak emphatically with importance not seniority or what have you or what ever you meant or said. I am no authority but after studying these topics/on forum for 17+ years I would hope I have some B/C influences to share with the forum members and I do know I don’t have too much time to engage with A influences.

You told on yourself in your labeling incorrectly of my message you can learn a lot from your response I hope you don’t buffer unfortunately buffering clouds the information getting to your being as once again you are falsely constructing the messenger and not discerning the message - most likely because discerning takes work but replying with subjective ideas about strangers messages is easier.

Also, after asking the C’s a question directly in a live channeling session they said. “Help others up the ladder” meaning share data info, knowledge, wisdom, network, give info. Hence the objective here. If they said become an authority or superior I wouldn’t know how to do that. But I guess I can let strangers do that for me God bless and take care.

Also, I did read your message and sit with it and the only thing I can come up with is if I am ever in communication with similar forum members again I will try not to be so emphatic about the importance of this information as strangers may twist that into something else. But by that time I would hope everyone had progressed so I’ll probably keep attempting to do what the C’s told me to do as I post for everyone not only the one interacting with to adjust a message that everyone can read because someone falsely thinks something is not truth. There is something called external consideration hence the elaboration of my message in this long post this is my attempt at EC while I move forward in an attempt with an intent to share and network about B influences.