Ok, this is the same guy who showed the old studies of the 1990s that describe how electromagnetic frequences can activate Epstein Barr Virii (I wrote it in a comment on this thread much earlier). In THIS video he talks about the media fuzz /fake news or not fake news about how Ibuprofen and other pharmaceuticals like aspirin, ass, diclofenac and cortisone might be able to intensify the symptomes and worsen the course of coronavirus disease. He doesn't say it is like that, just that this is possible. All those pharmaceuticals use a certain key (called ACE2) to enter the cells and it is the same key that the virus uses (that is in short what I understood, he explains it in the vid). Btw PARACETAMOL doesn't use that key.

He even speculates about the high fatality rate in italy and says that all those said pharmaceuticals are freely available in italy, no need for a doctors receipt... might the wide use of those medis in italy be a cause of the high fatality rate?

it is in german.

 
Thanks for your concern, luc. Can't say I have a plan B and I will have to see if there's any assistance plans that I qualify for. I'm okay right now. One day at a time, as the saying goes. The Universe tends to treat me pretty well so I have faith that something will turn up. As long as I make myself useful and remain open to possibilities...

I have a couple of suggestions.

Some folks may actually get to the point of losing everything, or have nothing else to lose. If you are members of FOTCM, we might be able to help out by organizing for you and others in similar situation to form a community under our guidance. Of course, this might entail moving from your current location, but we have been urging our members to think about relocating closer to each other for some years now in preparation for just such an event as this.
 
Well, I've finally got to the end of this thread and I'm just so glad that there's a place like this where people can share about all this craziness and think together. Another reminder of how amazing this network is!

For me, things have been moving so quickly and people have been changing so fast that it is really shocking to see. I have been wrapping my head around the question of how is this even possible... how is it possible that this virus is causing such hysteria and that people are buying into all this scaremongering so easily?

What is quite shocking to see is how people are becoming "law enforcement helpers" as others have pointed out. People are happy with the measures and are asking for more and more restrictions. They're also asking for punishment to those who don't follow the rules. It is unbelievable, yet we've seen this before in history. We've seen how fear and propaganda can really create this effect on people. But it really gives me the chills to watch this in real life.

What gets me angry is also all of this sudden worry about the "thousands that are dying" in Italy and the "hundreds of thousands that are going to die" because of this virus according most people I talk to who never in their lives cared about the thousands of people affected by other sicknesses, or even war and conflicts caused and supported by the same governments they are turning to for protection now. Or what about all the illnesses caused or made worse by "official" dietary guidelines, pharmaceuticals and and other industries? What about all the deaths by medical negligence? This people are now worrying about the health system and those possible deaths only because the media is telling them to worry about it... and that really gets me. Well, it just astonishes me to see how people will give an opinion, being convinced that it is their own opinion and that it is very reasonable, without realizing that the're just parroting what the media is saying. It's kind of sad.

I suppose, this is also teaching us a lot in the sense of self-control and how to use our skills and knowledge in the best way we can. It's also about understanding others. I can understand that many people are genuinely scared because they have been reading the mainstream media outlets and watching television almost 24/7 and all they hear is: "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES". So I guess I'm learning to stay calm, say what I think in the most considerate way that is possible (when asked) and do my best to give out something of value to people who are asking too. But honestly, there's something inside that just wants to say: "Enough of this nonsense, I'm not going to follow these unreasonable rules, I'm not going to quarantine". Fortunately, I can still go out where live, there's no legal restriction to do so yet, as there is in many other countries.

I've also had a positive experience this week with people who are doing their best to bypass this fabricated hysteria. I have been called from my previous job to help them organize online classes so that their teachers can work, and their students can continue studying. This means a lot of work, more than what I normally have, but it's being quite gratifying to see that despite all the madness, some people are finding ways to continue using their creativity to work and provide their services. All the other teachers responded quite positively and are eager to start doing this, some have already started and it seems that the plan is working out quite successfully. I'm just super happy to see people overcoming the madness and being proactive.

So, yes, I guess that fear and propaganda brings something terrible out of people, yet, it can also bring some good things, such as the willingness to be proactive, see through challenging times, and learn something a lot from it all.
 
I have a couple of suggestions.

Some folks may actually get to the point of losing everything, or have nothing else to lose. If you are members of FOTCM, we might be able to help out by organizing for you and others in similar situation to form a community under our guidance. Of course, this might entail moving from your current location, but we have been urging our members to think about relocating closer to each other for some years now in preparation for just such an event as this.

And that is of course one of the possibilities that has entered my mind. Joining such a community has been in the back of my mind for a number of years and I figured that circumstances might eventually pave the way. But of course I won't make any assumptions or jump to conclusions. One day at a time while remaining open to possibilities...
 
I have a couple of suggestions.

Some folks may actually get to the point of losing everything, or have nothing else to lose. If you are members of FOTCM, we might be able to help out by organizing for you and others in similar situation to form a community under our guidance. Of course, this might entail moving from your current location, but we have been urging our members to think about relocating closer to each other for some years now in preparation for just such an event as this.

I plan to subscribe to FOTCM in the later and I'll propose something i'm preparing for since a couple of year, location would be south Belgium, near Luxembourg (north-east France or south-west of Germany), there are many good reasons to move to this area and about job, with my company i have a good couple of contacts in the biggest institutions in Luxembourg - i also rent 2 appartments, 1 since 14 years, and the other is currently not rent (I plan to rent it again starting the 1st of June), + one that still need to be refurbish (don't know if it's the good word, but which need big works) to make an appartment. This means that I could lend in finality 2 appartments and even lend them for free if the person can't pay, or he/she would give what he/she can.
Would be able to say more about once on FOTCM
 
I have had a doctor acquaintance too who countered any argument with "you should walk around our ICUs". It's very hard to resist such claims, and such emotional videos for that matter. It is one giant mind control operation, like a "hypnosis ray" or something. It's crucial to keep a cool head and keep absorbing truthful information and building an internal core based on that. Truth is, stories of full ICUs don't count, neither do images of hospitals. What counts is the science and the numbers, and as of yet, these speak loud and clear. My acquaintance is simply hypnotized by the authorities and has no clue, period. And yes, doctors have a rough job and all that, but I'm sure many doctors (and other healthcare workers) are on an epic self-importance spree these days as well. Can't take that from them using facts. Can't question their authority. It's all very difficult at the moment to keep sane.

I've said this a few times (I think) on FB, but if every year they declared the flu a deadly pandemic that MUST be prevented from spreading at all costs and treated every person with respiratory issues from the flu (or any of the 20+ viruses floating around each winter that cause flu-like symptoms) who presented themselves at hospital, as in need of intensive care and a respirator, you would have very similar images in hospitals every year. When watching videos and reading headlines, people seem to forget the context in which these patients with pneumonia are being admitted to hospital and in which medical staff are working.
 
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Yes, I've been to hospitals, and this amount of intubation is beyond any kind of norm. You ask for missing context but immediately assume that my question is based on "this video alone", using that to characterize/suggest that this is yet another point to dismiss. I have been following this thread, obviously, and seeing a lot of confirmation bias as well as an self-strengthening echo chamber, requiring increasing amounts of assumptions of distributed conspiracy to explain. The quality of that reply - and I mean your own - demonstrates a disturbing lack of intellectual hygiene, which seems to be running rampant in this thread. As if retaining an open attitude that this might actually be real is a threat to whatever conclusions are being sought.

Maybe I should ask you a question here instead of saying anything else. What do you think the "bias" is here? I mean, what is the conclusion you think that we are all drawing? Is it that we all think that this virus is "not real"? If so, can you point me to anywhere where posts suggestive of that were made by a sufficient number of people to warrant such a conclusion of "echo chamber" and "confirmation bias"?
 
Just now, text message from work: "Hey guys, this is G***** from V*******. As you know, all of us are facing very difficult times and doing all we can to stay open. Unfortunately we are not able to meet financial minimums to keep everyone employed. As of right now, we are forced to make necessary cuts. We are very sad that we have to take such measures, but as of now, we won't be able to afford to have you guys come into work. We encourage you to look for other means of employment or get government assistance until further notice."

Sorry to hear that genero. Are you ok financially for a while?
 
Now that you mention it yes, my dog has been being glued to us and even our rabbit who is usually a grump is being a softie. The change in their behaviour started this winter, maybe they had a sense of forebording... But I agree with you, their presence is a gift to our family.

It could be that your animals are looking for reassurance from you. Our cats have changed their behaviour slightly. One is a bit more hissy, but still enjoys cuddles and chin scratches. The other, who is usually pretty stand-offish and not even around most of the day, is becoming more social. He even came out when we had company over for a discussion. Not that he was super friendly, but he was visible. That's a real change for him.
 
I also know the video I referenced could be fully constructed

I think this is the kind of black and white thinking that I was addressing in my first post, although I apologize that I came on too strong. The point we're trying to make here is that there really is a virus spreading, it really is slightly worse than the flu (because it targets the lungs) but it really does mostly endanger only the elderly and immuno-compromised. The single point I have been trying hard to make (mostly on FB) is that by now there is enough information to conclude all of the above, and therefore NO NEED for everyone in society to PANIC, no need for lock downs and quarantines. There is something VERY wrong with that aspect of this situation, and we are trying to figure out what is going on in that respect.
 
Not only posted it on twitter, but created a standard post and put it in comments to every post that mentioned the virus. Musta put it up about 50 times. Best way to get stuff read is to comment on some other post that is made by person with lots of followers or is getting a lot of likes and RTs. Even posted it to DJT!!!

Here is what I put together:

This lines up with the info in the video: As Coronavirus Panic Spreads, Bill Gates Talks Up 'Digital Certificates' to Enforce Mandatory Vaccines » 3CCorp.net
 
I can understand that many people are genuinely scared because they have been reading the mainstream media outlets and watching television almost 24/7 and all they hear is: "YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE RULES".
Exactly! I see that in my family and friends and nothing I say makes any of them feel better, I get only high pitched tone with: "Are you serious!? Can´t you see that people are dying!?"
But then again, I was thinking in the last days: what if I live by watching MSM only and figured that I´d probably be digging a bunker under Siebengebirge right now.....

Thank you Laura and all forum members for this beacon of knowledge and oasis of sanity!
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well, more deaths due to fear mongering: Bogota prison riot over coronavirus leaves 23 dead and 83 injured – Colombian justice ministry
Bogota prison riot over coronavirus leaves 23 dead and 83 injured – Colombian justice ministry

NB. from some reported numbers in Argentina...": Coronavirus 2020 Statistics : Cases & Deaths By Country
CountryConfirmedDeathsRecovered
Argentina
225
4
27
...
:-(

and new low regarding gatherings restrictions: Germany bans gatherings of more than 2 people in desperate attempt to stop Covid-19
Germany bans gatherings of more than 2 people in desperate attempt to stop Covid-19
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