Woodsman

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And then we also have the rather furious/curious reaction of the Chinese toward all of this. If we believe at this point that the Chinese know how much of it is based on pure hysterics, one wonders of course why they are so incredibly quick and determined in building a huge 60.000 square meter hospital (actually two!) in a matter of 10 days, specifically run by 1.400 military medical staff "because of the virus"? The clinic can work on 1000 patients simultaneously and has 30 emergency rooms. The second hospital will soon be finished too, which isn't much less impressive with 1.500 beds. This one has also been built in 10 days.


Why would the chinese invest so much money and energy into building something like that in 10 days if they know that much of it is hysterics? Maybe they don't know after all? Or is there something else behind it? Maybe the chinese use the opportunity to test out their emergency capabilities in building something like this very fast in case of a real problem? Maybe Corona isn't really the reason for the hospital, but rather a planned dry run for the future, in case something really hist the fan? And then we have the fact that they basically have shut down at least one 10 Million city in a matter of very few days "because of the virus".

I dunno. It is all rather strange to me at this point.

On the one hand...

Busy Work in a nation of 1.45 billion people probably looks different than it does in the West.

Governments, especially communist governments, aren't known for telling people what's really going on, and populations are on the whole, pretty gullible. Civil servants are even worse; their livelihoods depend on acting as though they believe the official narrative.

On the other hand, I look at what you're pointing out and think that it's an honest reaction among the public and crisis workers, (and construction crews). If haptic mask sales are any indicator. In my mind, there's a strong possibility that what we're seeing is real and that the world (or at least China) is in honest trouble.
 

Voyageur

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-After reading Jon Rappoport's blog, I couldn't help but notice that he's veered rather far into his own brand of hysterics. I'm sure that his Air Pollution/Corruption theory isn't without merit, but it seems the mounting evidence for a genuine infection spread indicates that he's not grappling with the whole picture.

Probably not, yet at this point who does, as the waters seem darn muddy, so keep your rubber boots if not your hip waders on.

For instance, and speaking of Jon which he uses to backstop his line of force, here is his latest that included an interesting interview (not by Jon) with biophysicist, Dr. Eleni Papadopulos. The interview is about HIV, and more so, it is about how to identify a virus, identify its presence as a proof. Many people will say, well it's like this, and yet (please correct if not so) there seems to be a very detailed step by step process that is not based on a simple blood draw and quick scan under a microscope.

It's possible, though, that indeed the Chinese (however it happened as a release mechanism) isolated and identified in a step by step process a virus or 'the' virus' that has some known background and could do nothing else but to close access. The release is just one question and the virus itself is another (if it is such a virus in the first place).

Here is the interview on proofs (it is brief):

...The interviewee is Dr. Eleni Papadopulos, "a biophysicist and leader of a group of HIV/AIDS scientists from Perth in Western Australia. Over the past decade and more she and her colleagues have published many scientific papers questioning the HIV/AIDS hypothesis..."

CJ: Does HIV cause AIDS?

EP: There is no proof that HIV causes AIDS.

CJ: Why not?

EP: For many reasons, but most importantly, because there is no proof that HIV exists.

[...]

CJ: Didn't Luc Montagnier and Robert Gallo [purportedly the co-discoverers of HIV] isolate HIV back in the early eighties?

EP: No. In the papers published in Science by those two research groups, there is no proof of the isolation of a retrovirus from AIDS patients. [HIV is said to be a retrovirus.]

CJ: They say they did isolate a virus.

EP: Our interpretation of the data differs. To prove the existence of a virus you need to do three things. First, culture cells and find a particle you think might be a virus. Obviously, at the very least, that particle should look like a virus. Second, you have to devise a method to get that particle on its own so you can take it to pieces and analyze precisely what makes it up. Then you need to prove the particle can make faithful copies of itself. In other words, that it can replicate.

CJ: Can't you just look down a microscope and say there's a virus in the cultures?

EP: No, you can't. Not all particles that look like viruses are viruses.

[...]

CJ: My understanding is that high-speed centrifugation is used to produce samples consisting exclusively of objects having the same density, a so-called "density-purified sample." Electron microscopy is used to see if these density-purified samples consist of objects which all have the same appearance -- in which case the sample is an isolate -- and if this appearance matches that of a retrovirus, in terms of size, shape, and so forth. If all this is true, then you are three steps into the procedure for obtaining a retroviral isolate. (1) You have an isolate, and the isolate consists of objects with the same (2) density and (3) appearance of a retrovirus. Then you have to examine this isolate further, to see if the objects in it contain reverse transcriptase [an enzyme] and will replicate when placed in new cultures. Only then can you rightfully declare that you have obtained a retroviral isolate.

EP: Exactly. It was discovered that retroviral particles have a physical property which enables them to be separated from other material in cell cultures. That property is their buoyancy, or density, and this was utilized to purify the particles by a process called density gradient centrifugation.

The technology is complicated, but the concept is extremely simple. You prepare a test tube containing a solution of sucrose, ordinary table sugar, made so the solution is light at the top but gradually becomes heavier, or more dense, towards the bottom. Meanwhile, you grow whatever cells you think may contain your retrovirus. If you're right, retroviral particles will be released from the cells and pass into the culture fluids. When you think everything is ready, you decant a specimen of culture fluids and gently place a drop on top of the sugar solution. Then you spin the test tube at extremely high speeds. This generates tremendous forces, and particles present in that drop of fluid are forced through the sugar solution until they reach a point where their buoyancy prevents them from penetrating any further. In other words, they drift down the density gradient until they reach a spot where their own density is the same as that region of the sugar solution. When they get there they stop, all together. To use virological jargon, that's where they band. Retroviruses band at a characteristic point. In sucrose solutions they band at a point where the density is 1.16 gm/ml.

That band can then be selectively extracted and photographed with an electron microscope. The picture is called an electron micrograph, or EM. The electron microscope enables particles the size of retroviruses to be seen, and to be characterized by their appearance.

CJ: So, examination with the electron microscope tells you what fish you've caught?

EP: Not only that. It's the only way to know if you've caught a fish. Or anything at all.

CJ: Did Montagnier and Gallo do this?

EP: This is one of the many problems. Montagnier and Gallo did use density gradient banding, but for some unknown reason they did not publish any Ems [electron microscope photos] of the material at 1.16 gm/ml...this is quite puzzling because in 1973 the Pasteur Institute hosted a meeting attended by scientists, some of whom are now amongst the leading HIV experts. At that meeting the method of retroviral isolation was thoroughly discussed, and photographing the 1.16 band of the density gradient was considered absolutely essential.

CJ: But Montagnier and Gallo did publish photographs of virus particles.

EP: No. Montagnier and Gallo published electron micrographs [EMs] of culture fluids that had not been centrifuged, or even separated from the culture cells, for that matter. These EMs contained, in addition to many other things, including the culture cells and other things that clearly are not retroviruses, a few particles which Montagnier and Gallo claimed are retroviruses, and which all belonged to the same retroviral species, now called HIV. But photographs of unpurified particles don't prove that those particles are viruses. The existence of HIV was not established by Montagnier and Gallo -- or anyone since -- using the method presented at the 1973 meeting.

CJ: And what was that method?

EP: All the steps I have just told you. The only scientific method that exists. Culture cells, find a particle, isolate the particle, take it to pieces, find out what's inside, and then prove those particles are able to make more of the same with the same constituents when they're added to a culture of uninfected cells.

CJ: So before AIDS came along there was a well-tried method for proving the existence of a retrovirus, but Montagnier and Gallo did not follow this method?

EP: They used some of the techniques, but they did not undertake every step including proving what particles, if any, are in the 1.16 gm/ml band of the density gradient, the density that defines retroviral particles.

CJ: But what about their pictures?

EP: Montagnier's and Gallo's electron micrographs...are of entire cell cultures, or of unpurified fluids from cultures...
 

SOTTREADER

The Living Force
2020 is proving to be quite the year thus far. No sooner does one thing finish than another begins!

As at the last update February 4th 20:30 GMP , 20717 confirmed cases of the virus have been officially logged worldwide. Deaths stand at 427 and recoveries stand at 781! Critical cases stand at 2792.


My 2 cents

  • It's clear the virus can't be stopped now that it can be transmitted human to human. The cat's out of the bag... people can transmit it even when they have no symptoms. The virus can survive on surfaces for up to 60 minutes. Unless they cure everyone who has it - whether they are showing symptoms or not, I can't see how it can be stopped. If 1 person is left uncured, they will just spread it again and the whole cycle will begin!
  • Has anyone noticed something peculiar: Why are there no reported cases in both Africa and South America? Every continent has reported at least a case except this 2. Is it that countries in these 2 continents just aren't testing people and the virus is continuing there unabated?
  • The response to the virus from China in particular has been quite extreme: When was the last time a city of 11 million was quarantined in any country? How have china been able to do this? Can you imagine if New York city was to get quarantined? Would people be so well behaved? I rather think in any western city, chaos would ensue upon a mandated quarantine. Like 60 or so million in china are under some sort of quarantine. That's the whole population of the UK!
  • The extreme response from China and other countries (travel bans, quarantines etc) indicates the virus is not being treated as benign. Remember the adage: Watch what they do, not what they say. It would indicate we're missing a piece of information the authorities hold which would explain the extreme response: death rate still remains low.
  • Is anyone aware of a non-asian person who has contracted the virus? All cases I've seen seem to be tied to asian people. At first I thought just chinese but a few from other parts of asia have contracted it.
  • The final thing. At least here in Europe, the virus is what I like to call a twitter-virus. The fear, the commotion, it's all online. Out on the streets, life continues as normal. It's just another thing happening somewhere else in the world e.g. like the wars in the middle east. It's easy for us to say people are being driven by irrational fear when we are all perched continents away from ground zero and are under no quarantines or daily paranoia that you might catch it if you accidentally rub your eyes or get too close to someone.

What is the way out:

From how I see it, the cat is out the bag. They are now in a disaster mitigation situation as opposed to an eradication situation. The virus can't be killed by quarantines and travel bans, it can only be slowed down. I suspect a vaccine will be made and I suspect we will ALL be mandated to be vaccinated - best case scenario, the other being natural immunity. This will be enforced as the top public safety issue, you will probably be logged onto a system as vaccinated which can then allow you to travel (I can see checks in airports being put in place), to be employed and so on etc. The roll out will probably start in Asia where the population is currently in a state of shock and I suspect an outbreak in a western country (say somewhere in Europe or America) will then shock the population enough for the politicians to do what they need to do. Imagine if it broke out in a random European country and surrounding countries have to start putting up borders etc just to mitigate it... imagine a small European country getting quarantined! No one will be saying no to a vaccine after that...

This is the 9/11 of the vaccine world. The patriot act for Vaccines will soon follow with the full weight of countries behind it. Anti-vaxxers stand no chance when the world has been scared sh*t-less through an uncontrollable outbreak that has led to such extreme measures being taken by countries plus not to mention the human cases of deaths, illnesses and contagiousness of the virus.

I leave you with a video of a fellow driving through Shenzen. Check out how quiet these streets are:

 

Debra

Jedi Council Member
Probably not, yet at this point who does, as the waters seem darn muddy, so keep your rubber boots if not your hip waders on.
You might be interested in this book. It is full of information regarding this VERY subject.
As a bonus, reading it tends to aid in dispelling fear at the same time. Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense: Torsten Engelbrecht, Claus Köhnlein: 9781425114671: Books - Amazon.ca
 

Ellipse

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
Dr. Francis Boyle Creator Of BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon
In an explosive interview Dr. Francis Boyle, who drafted the Biological Weapons Act has given a detailed statement admitting that the 2019 Wuhan Coronavirus is an offensive Biological Warfare Weapon and that the World Health Organization (WHO) already knows about it.

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Francis Boyle is a professor of international law at the University of Illinois College of Law. He drafted the U.S. domestic implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention, known as the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, that was approved unanimously by both Houses of the U.S. Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

In an exclusive interview given to Geopolitics and Empire, Dr. Boyle discusses the coronavirus outbreak in Wuhan, China and the Biosafety Level 4 laboratory (BSL-4) from which he believes the infectious disease escaped. He believes the virus is potentially lethal and an offensive biological warfare weapon or dual-use biowarfare weapons agent genetically modified with gain of function properties, which is why the Chinese government originally tried to cover it up and is now taking drastic measures to contain it. The Wuhan BSL-4 lab is also a specially designated World Health Organization (WHO) research lab and Dr. Boyle contends that the WHO knows full well what is occurring.

Dr. Boyle also touches upon GreatGameIndia‘s exclusive report Coronavirus Bioweapon – where we reported in detail how Chinese Biowarfare agents working at the Canadian lab in Winnipeg were involved in the smuggling of Coronavirus to Wuhan’s lab from where it is believed to have been leaked.

Dr. Boyle’s position is in stark contrast to the mainstream media’s narrative of the virus being originated from the seafood market, which is increasingly being questioned by many experts.

Recently, American Senator Tom Cotton of Arkansas also dismantled the mainstream media’s claim on Thursday that pinned the coronavirus outbreak on a market selling dead and live animals.

In a video accompanying his post, Cotton explained that the Wuhan wet market (which Cotton incorrectly referred to as a seafood market) has been shown by experts to not be the source of the deadly contagion.

Cotton referenced a Lancet study which showed that many of the first cases of the novel coronavirus, including patient zero, had no connection to the wet market — devastatingly undermining mainstream media’s claim.

“As one epidemiologist said: ‘That virus went into the seafood market before it came out of the seafood market.’ We still don’t know where it originated,” Cotton said.

“I would note that Wuhan also has China’s only bio-safety level four super laboratory that works with the world’s most deadly pathogens to include, yes, coronavirus.”

 

Ellipse

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
continued:
Such concerns have also been raised by J.R. Nyquist, the well known author of the books “Origins of the Fourth World War” and “The Fool and His Enemy,” as well as co-author of “The New Tactics of Global War”. In his insightful article he published secret speechs given to high-level Communist Party cadres by Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explaining a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance – the catalyst for which would be China’s secret plan to weaponiz viruses.


Nyquist gave three different data points for making his case in analyzing Coronavirus. He writes:


The third data point worth considering: the journal GreatGameIndia has published a piece titled “Coronavirus Bioweapon – How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It.”
EXCLUSIVE#Coronavirus Bioweapon Thread
How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized ItCoronavirus Bioweapon - How China Stole Coronavirus From Canada And Weaponized It | GreatGameIndia
— GreatGameIndia (@GreatGameIndia) January 27, 2020

The authors were clever enough to put Khan’s Virology Journal article together with news of a security breach by Chinese nationals at the Canadian (P4) National Microbiology Lab in Winnipeg, where the novel coronavirus was allegedly stored with other lethal organisms. Last May, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police were called in to investigate; by late July the Chinese were kicked out of the facility. The chief Chinese scientist (Dr. Xiangguo Qiu) was allegedly making trips between Winnipeg and Wuhan.
Here we have a plausible theory of the NCoV organism’s travels: first discovered in Saudi Arabia, then studied in Canada from whence it was stolen by a Chinese scientist and brought to Wuhan. Like the statement of Taiwan’s intelligence chief in 2008, the GreatGameIndia story has come under intensive attack. Whatever the truth, the fact of proximity and the unlikelihood of mutation must figure into our calculations.

[...]
 
  • Has anyone noticed something peculiar: Why are there no reported cases in ... South America?
Could be because almost all flights into South America from China have to connect in the US which has already blocked Chinese citizens without citizenship or residency. But then, there are the flights from Aussie and Kiwi, so who knows...so actually, we will know in another week or so...

I believe the historical record shows that most world pandemics end up petering out in SA.
 

loreta

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Could be because almost all flights into South America from China have to connect in the US which has already blocked Chinese citizens without citizenship or residency. But then, there are the flights from Aussie and Kiwi, so who knows...so actually, we will know in another week or so...

I believe the historical record shows that most world pandemics end up petering out in SA.
Here is the list of the countries with cases of Corona:
Australia - 12
Belgium - 1
Cambodia - 1
Canada - 4
China - 20,438
Finland - 1
France - 6
Germany - 12
India - 3
Italy - 2
Japan - 20
Malaysia - 10
Nepal - 1
The Philippines - 2
Russia - 2
Singapore - 24
South Korea - 16
Spain - 1
Sri Lanka - 1
Sweden - 1
Taiwan - 10
Thailand - 25
United Arab Emirates - 5
United Kingdom - 2
United States - 11
Vietnam - 10



Source
 

JEEP

The Living Force
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A different approach to beating coronavirus:
Report: First Brit to Contract Coronavirus Refused
Drugs And Beat Infection With 'Hot Whisky And Honey'
Corona-chan can't stop the Englishman.

From The Sun, "First Brit known to catch virus 'beat deadly flu with glass of hot whisky and honey'":
THE first Brit known to have caught the coronavirus has told The Sun how he beat the killer bug with a "glass of hot whisky and honey".

Teacher Connor Reed, 25, was diagnosed with coronavirus by docs in Wuhan two months ago.

He went to hospital after struggling to breathe and could not shake off a bad cough — all classic symptoms.

Shocked Connor was kept in hospital for two weeks.

Connor, originally from Llandudno, North Wales, has lived in China for three years.

He said: "'I was stunned when the doctors told me I was suffering from the virus. I thought I was going to die but I managed to beat it.

"I used the inhaler which helped control the cough and drank a hot whisky with honey until that ran out.

"It's an old fashioned remedy but it seemed to do the trick.

"I did refuse to take the antibiotics the doctors prescribed me because I didn't want to take any medicines."
Though the sample sizes are still very low, there have been a few indicators suggesting coronavirus may affect Asians more strongly due to increased Angiotensin converting enzyme 2 receptors in their lungs.
[...]
Thailand claims to have successfully treated two patients with a cocktail of HIV and flu drugs.

"The doctors combined the anti-flu drug oseltamivir with lopinavir and ritonavir, antivirals used to treat HIV, Kriengsak said, adding the ministry was awaiting research results to prove the findings," the South China Morning Post reported Sunday.

If this Brit got better off hot whisky and honey it's possible they just got better on their own.
More details in article:
 
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Ruth

The Living Force
Interesting discussion, especially with the scientist, James Lyons-Weiler, but in pointing out this allegedly 'manufactured' element he found in the virus genome sequence, he's leaping to a conclusion that overlooks Intelligent Design.

I am open to his theory though (that Wuhan is home to a top-tier Chinese biolab at which researchers were possibly working on a vaccine for the coronavirus set, this variant of which then got out accidentally, hence the Chinese govt's gargantuan efforts to deal with it).
I'm not sure how much input humans have in "Intelligent Design", especially when they make mistakes or under or overestimate their scientific knowledge and protocols. Some might say that's not very intelligent at all! :shock: What you seem to be saying is that scientists cannot recognize their own technology in the form of inserted genetic codes etc. I think they can, but that those in control of our world would not like their citizens to know how much scientists (in collusion with industry and government) have been 'playing God'.

As far as my basic understanding of Intelligent Design goes, it seems to me that some scientists (and most bureaucrats) completely ignore it, especially as it relates to the human immune system. The human immune system is very intelligent and also very complex. There is also the issue of genetic variability between humans. It has been shown that when you put a species under pressure, more variance is likely to occur. Perhaps this is an example of Intelligent Design? Vaccines (in my opinion) are doing the equivalent of using a hammer to crack an egg. They have all the subtlety of a battering ram and no respect for the damage they do along the way. They do not care about collateral damage.

I was under the impression that the concept of Intelligent Design was a significant counterpoint to the part of Darwin's Theory of Evolution which relies heavily on randomness. If you apply it to viruses, then equally it must be applied to immune systems which will mount a response. There has to be Intelligent Design there too.

I'm also interested in how many people have been generationally programmed into believing vaccines are "safe, effective and necessary" relying on technology emerging in the 1930s from the Polio epidemic. Are they? What about Intelligent Design? It didn't even get a look in with people rushing around trying to stick needles into people and in some case forcing them.
 

Ruth

The Living Force
I think you should put infected smokers between "" "". ;-D Because maybe they profite of this situation to push the danger to smoke, you know. They are mean with smokers.

It is true also that Chinese I think are heavy smokers.

Thank you for the information!
From what I know of Chinese culture they are heavy users (and believers) in pharmaceutical products and the medical profession. That said, I'm not sure if smoking is encouraged in China. Vaccines however are mandatory! With a 99% compliance rate. The Chinese are good at complying with things too. There also doesn't tend to be a lot of information relating to disease, autism and problems with outbreaks (especially in vaccinated populations - i.e. measles). The Chinese tend to be a bit closed mouthed about these things. I guess they don't like failure.

A friend of mine came over from China in 2010. She brought with her a bunch of antibiotics which I thought was weird considering she was trained as a nurse. Apparently, for every sniffle and cough (especially for their children - i.e boy children, girl children are adopted out) they race off to the hospital and take antibiotics. I said to her "That's insane! Don't you know your immune system will be weakened by that, not strengthened?" I found the attitude quite weird that they would have that much faith in their medical system. Hopefully those in control have become a lot smarter and realized that you need to strengthen the immune system, not weaken it.

In China, when my friend came over she said that if you don't have money to pay for health care, you die. Getting to know a regular person from China was a real eye opener on their culture (they're not very Communist, in my opinion but definitely very family and status orientated).
 

thorbiorn

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
continued:

From Greatgameindia there was also:
In a secret speech given to high-level Communist Party cadres nearly two decades ago, Chinese Defense Minister Gen. Chi Haotian explained a long-range plan for ensuring a Chinese national renaissance.
After GreatGameIndia reported on the investigation on Chinese agents involved in a Biological Espionage case at a Canadian lab suspected to be behind the recent Coronavirus outbreak, now another Chinese Biowarfare agents at Harvard University have been caught smuggling deadly viruses from America.
While one may discuss who, where and why, from a World Government Perspective, it really doesn't matter much.
The Zika virus has been mentioned earlier, here is the session in which it was mentioned:
(Andromeda) Do you wanna ask about the Zika virus?

(L) Yeah, we've got this thing called the Zika virus. They're saying it's responsible for causing these cranial and brain malformations in babies. I'm not too sure that the Zika virus is always correlated. I haven't read any serious studies on it. It just seems to me that there are a lot of assumptions being made. Is it the Zika virus causing it? Is the Zika virus caused because of genetically modified mosquitoes, or are birth defects being caused by vaccinations?

(Galatea) What's the cause?

[Noko gets up and moves to the floor, goes back to sleep]

A: Mutations began in humans due to vaccine and then collected by mosquitoes, undergoing further mutations by combining with modifications of the insects.

Q: (L) In other words, the mutation began in the human beings. Then the mosquitoes bit them and sucked up their blood. The blood mixed with the genetic modifications in the mosquitoes, and then the mosquitoes went and bit somebody else which injected it into them? So it was a combination of the genetic modifications of the mosquitoes and the mutation of the vaccinated human? Is that what we're getting at there?

A: Yes


Q: (Chu) Is the virus causes these malformations?

A: At this point, yes.

Q: (L) So in other words, initial problems were probably caused by the vaccine; somebody with Zika virus who had the vaccination got a mutation, and it all mixed together into a deadly cocktail... And is this something that's a real big threat to the human race right now?

A: Not yet.


Q: (Pierre) Apparently it's a dynamic thing.

(L) It could be, and it could go some other way.

(Joe) Passed on by mosquitoes.

(PoB) I read an article, but I didn't go to the study itself. It was written by some investigative journalist. He claimed he went to the test results and this virus was discovered only in very small percentage of these families where the babies were born with deformities, like less than 10%.

(Pierre) If it's mutating a lot, are they detecting all the strains?

(L) The thing is that I think it began with the vaccine... Now the mosquitoes are picking it up and spreading it, but it wasn't that way to begin with. I think it started out as a problem because of the vaccine.

A: Yes

Q: (L) So the vaccine is actually the ultimate origin of this problem. People were vaccinated with something that's causing this mutation. Mutations caused by the vaccination are now being spread by genetically engineered mosquitoes.

A: Yes


Q: (PoB) Apparently in Brazil where it originated from, there was mass vaccinations at that time.

A: Yes

Q: (L) In other words, blaming it on the Zika virus is almost a misrepresentation, or red herring, or misdirection?

A: Yes

Q: (Pierre) Same modus operandi as this Simian virus, and then they started to blame smoking as the cause of cancer.

(L) Yeah.

(PoB) This Zika virus was known for years before. It caused nothing. It was harmless.

(L) It's like just a bug. You got a bug. But now with these mutations in people, it could become more dangerous. As could so many other things. For all we know, when they genetically modify a mosquito to control one thing, that makes the mosquito more liable to further modifications on its own.

A: Yes
If what Laura's post with the article from the researcher Coronavirus epidemic in China: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story? is true, that the new Corona virus originated with an attempt to create a vaccine, then it could be similar to the above Zika virus case; some people and powers were trying to be smart and not knowing what they are dealing with end up creating problems they had not foreseen.

In the case of the Corona virus it is also possible they did know and the ensuing chaos was the goal. This last scenario is more along the lines of the bio-weapon hypothesis. The two opposing hypotheses are not mutually exclusive, as when a person bets on two out of two horses shifting the bet as the game unfolds, or as when there are two bettors betting on different outcomes.
 

sToRmR1dR

The Living Force
FOTCM Member
'Is it a quarantine or disco club? - Someone is enjoying the show!'

5 Feb, 2020

More good news from China:

Editor: huaxia - 2020-02-05
 

Niall

Administrator
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I'm not sure how much input humans have in "Intelligent Design", especially when they make mistakes or under or overestimate their scientific knowledge and protocols. Some might say that's not very intelligent at all! :shock: What you seem to be saying is that scientists cannot recognize their own technology in the form of inserted genetic codes etc. I think they can, but that those in control of our world would not like their citizens to know how much scientists (in collusion with industry and government) have been 'playing God'.

As far as my basic understanding of Intelligent Design goes, it seems to me that some scientists (and most bureaucrats) completely ignore it, especially as it relates to the human immune system. The human immune system is very intelligent and also very complex. There is also the issue of genetic variability between humans. It has been shown that when you put a species under pressure, more variance is likely to occur. Perhaps this is an example of Intelligent Design? Vaccines (in my opinion) are doing the equivalent of using a hammer to crack an egg. They have all the subtlety of a battering ram and no respect for the damage they do along the way. They do not care about collateral damage.

I was under the impression that the concept of Intelligent Design was a significant counterpoint to the part of Darwin's Theory of Evolution which relies heavily on randomness. If you apply it to viruses, then equally it must be applied to immune systems which will mount a response. There has to be Intelligent Design there too.

I'm also interested in how many people have been generationally programmed into believing vaccines are "safe, effective and necessary" relying on technology emerging in the 1930s from the Polio epidemic. Are they? What about Intelligent Design? It didn't even get a look in with people rushing around trying to stick needles into people and in some case forcing them.
No I meant that the 'evidence of artificial creation' Lyons-Weiler found may simply be evidence that it's natural, with the caveat that all things natural are ultimately intelligently designed.
 

Niall

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The scale and depth of anti-Chinese vehemence behind the vast majority of reporting on this is staggering!

As the expat living in China points out in his vlog update above, does anyone remember H1N1 (a more virulent and fatal virus) being called 'the American virus'?

It's all seems like geostrategy to capitalize on a crisis and hammer China economically and culturally. I'm not necessarily suggesting the US govt is inspiring or driving that. It could rather be coming from 'upstairs'.

Anyway, going back to something discussed earlier, this virus does seem to primarily be infecting Chinese people, and has so far been fatal strictly to Chinese only.

The following was written last week and may be out of date now, but just thought I'd bring it to the table...

Do You Know All Coronavirus Victims Appear To Be Chinese? Thought Not!

At the time of writing, 170 people have died of the Wuhan Coronavirus [Coronavirus Live Updates: Death Toll Rises, as Foreigners are Evacuated, New York Times, January 30, 2020], though that number is bound to have increased by the time this article is published. All of these deaths have been in China. The disease has spread to at least 16 other countries, including Canada, the USA, France, Germany, Finland, Australia, India, Sri Lanka, the United Arab Emirates, and a number of East Asian countries [This is where Wuhan coronavirus cases have been confirmed worldwide, by Eric Cheung, CNN, January 30, 2020]. The Main Stream Media, in Western countries, is stoking panic with rolling news coverage on the spread of the possibly Apocalyptic new plague [Corona Virus Outbreak, by Matthew Weaver et al., The Guardian, January 30, 2020]. But what nobody is openly reporting: the race of the victims. They appear to be all Asians—specifically, the yellow race formerly known (accurately but now Politically Incorrectly) as “Oriental.”

Thus two Coronavirus cases were just confirmed in the U.K. [Coronavirus: UK patient is University of York student, BBC,com, February 1, 2020], But if you read the article, both turn out to be “Chinese nationals.” Similarly a recent headline of The Helsinki Times read “First case of Wuhan Corona virus confirmed in Finland,[January 29, 2020]. But it turns out to be a Chinese tourist in Lapland, not a Finn.
In fact, as far as I can tell, all of the confirmed cases have been of Chinese people. According to Sri Lankan radio, the case in Sri Lanka was a “Chinese tourist” [Sri Lanka suspends visa on arrival for Chinese travellers after confirmed case of Corona virus, News On Air, January 28, 2020]. So are the cases in France and the one in the United Arab Emirates [Coronavirus is spreading as FIVE people in France are now confirmed to have the illness and Chinese traveller from Wuhan is quarantined in Finland, by Sam Blanchard, Mail Online, January 29, 2020].
If it is true that only East Asians are dying of, or even catching, Corona, that would be consistent with long-established race differences in the susceptibility to such viruses. This has been explored in a fascinating study, by a group of Chinese researchers led by C. L. Chen of Soochow University, entitled: Ethnic differences in susceptibilities to A(H1N1) flu [African Journal of Biotechnology, 2009].

The authors begin by noting that, from an evolutionary perspective, there is every reason to expect there to be ethnic or race differences in the susceptibility to different pathogens. Races—or, as they call them, “ethnic groups”—are breeding populations, long-separated, usually by geography, who are, therefore, genetic clusters adapted to different ecologies. Because they were exposed to different pathogens in prehistory, there are very likely to be race differences in susceptibility to the pathogens and in how well the immune system can fight them.
Many infectious diseases jumped the species barrier from animals to humans due to our close contact with animals while pursuing agriculture. For this reason, groups that never innovated agriculture, or who only innovated it in a limited form or only relatively recently took it up, can be decimated by flu-like viruses.

Thus the authors observe that the Spanish Flu Pandemic of 1918 was three to 70 times more deadly to “natives” in Canada and the USA, as well as to the reindeer herding Saami people in Sweden and Norway, than it was to the rest of these countries’ populations. This is because most white and black people are descended from those who have long practiced farming. The authors add that the Swine Flu Pandemic of 2009 was five times more deadly to Maori people than it was to other New Zealanders.

The Corona Virus is closely related to SARS (Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome) [Coronavirus vs. SARS: Health experts on the key differences between the two outbreaks, by Sam Meredith, CNBC, January 28, 2020], of which there was a major outbreak in 2003, which also began in China in 2002.

According to Wikipedia (which is, presumably, politically neutral on such numbers), a total of 774 people died across 29 countries. This amounted to almost 10% of those who caught it. Potentially in line with the findings of the Chinese researchers, the mortality rate for SARS in Europe was almost nil. Minuscule numbers of people caught it and only one of them died, in France (where there were an, atypically high, 7 cases).

By contrast, in Hong Kong the mortality rate from SARS was 17%. In Taiwan, it was 10%. In Canada, it was 17%, but it seems pretty obvious that they were all “Chinese Canadians,” what with there being so many Chinese people in Canada and documented attempts made to “help” them (specifically) deal with the virus [see Beyond SARS: ethnic community organization's role in public health—a Toronto experience, By W. Dong, Promotion and Education, 2008].

In Singapore, 13% of those who caught SARS died out of 238 cases. Other countries had very small numbers of cases or, as with Vietnam, their medical access would have been sub-optimal, rendering it difficult to make comparisons.

But essentially it can be said the SARS was an East Asian disease which, like Corona, can be traced to bats. SARS didn’t severely impact the rest of the world, despite people definitely catching it. It disproportionately killed East Asians. See SARS: The Immigration Dimension II, by Walter Pringle, VDARE.com, April 24, 2003.

This effect was so pronounced that, Wkipedia reports, “Many Chinese believed that the SARS virus could be a biological weapon manufactured by the United States, which perceived China as a potential threat.” (Ironically, the financial website ZeroHedge has just been banned by Twitter for reporting speculation that the Corona virus was developed during Chinese research into bioweapons—a ban that ZeroHedge attributes in a scathing post to U.S. capitalists’ notorious desire to appease China).

The difference between the two strains: the Corona virus, according to experts, is nothing like as deadly as SARS. Its mortality rate appears to be about 2%. It ‘s mainly taking people with serious pre-existing health conditions [Coronavirus vs. SARS: Health experts on the key differences between the two outbreaks, by Sam Meredith, CNBC, January 28, 2020].

So if I wanted to tempt fate, then I’d write the following:

The Corona virus is a virus that, for whatever reason, East Asians are susceptible to but other races are not, just like SARS. None of our people are going to succumb to this condition. The MSM’s constant hyping is just a way of making people panic, because people are more susceptible to being indoctrinated when they panic. By not reporting the race of those who have caught this disease in Europe, unnecessary panic is being fomented among Europeans…so that they can be more easily inculcated with the message than “race differences don’t exist, because race is a social construct.”

But race differences do exist. Race is a biological reality. And these kinds of viruses help to prove that.
 
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