Coronavirus Pandemic: Apocalypse Now! Or exaggerated scare story?

[Ruth]

As someone who sells medical ventilators to hospitals and services them since 13+ years I can tell you that ventilating somebody with 100% more than 15 minutes is the quickest way to destroy their lungs, or so I am told by my doctor users/clients. If the situation requires 100% saturation it is done for short periods of time like 15 mins at a time, but NOT continuously. A few hours on 100% and the patient's lungs are done. For respiration support you put patients on 21 to max 30% oxygen with the ventilator in the spontaneous breathing mode with pressure (or volume) support. You will never see patients under ventilator with 100% oxygen saturation for extended periods of time. My ventilators even have a visual and audio warning if you set them to 100% for longer than a few minutes. So, this looks like a propaganda showcase to me.

I don't think the vital sign readings were done on a patient in ICU or on ventilation. My guess is they were done on a person with very healthy lungs (hence the Oxygen saturation of 100%) and who had higher than normal blood pressure with a fast heart rate. Maybe someone who is normally hypertensive and for whatever reason is under stress, or feeling pain.

Respiratory nursing and ICU nursing is not my area of expertise, however, as far as respirators are concerned, I believe there are two types of respiratory support - invasive and non-invasive. The invasive one would require putting the patient to sleep in order to overcome their gag reflex and putting 'an airway' down their throat. In both circumstances you'd want an trained operator to work the machines, otherwise, yeah, you'd destroy the lungs! Not good at all!!! And highly risky to the patient!

 

[Ina]

I know sometimes you can attribute something like this to stupidity, and that stupidity is contagious (hence the #STUPIDEMIA we're experiencing), however, since I've heard similar stories from nurses and doctors from both Canada and Romania, I think this might be yet another of the elements of the script being pushed down:

NPR Cookie Consent and Choices

The stories I've heard were on how the personnel were stopped from wearing masks in order to not scare patients. Also, constantly changing rules and orders after orders coming in, then the people signing them not following the rules.

It looks like somebody is trying hard to create problems in hospitals all over the World by confusing the personnel, not providing them with adequate protective materials, etc.

Not without great sadness, I am observing a common trend at the levels of decision making and implementation in both public and private sectors. The decision making is made by accountants biased towards maximizing returns and the implementation is done by political deployments driven by power manipulation. Logic and reasoning are allowed minimal space of application, action being informed by recipes provided by policy. The implementation is kept at a minimum for fear of litigation upon more or less botched outcomes, and not because of moral values but for the fear of the cost of litigation.
I don’t think that someone is trying to create problems. It would require too many people and it would cost too much. But if that someone is the actual system+best practice then it needs not to try at all, since by the looks of things it works as planned.

 

[Ðekel]

As above so below, right ?

So I was thinking that the same backfiring that happens when meddling is probably reflected in 4d STS.

As I was pondering this I realized, the foreign body is 4d STS.

And with this hunger they have for forced / tricking people into accepting chipping I recalled this:

(L) Okay, next questions:

Are we going to see machines integrated in the body and a divide between people refusing and people wanting this integration?

(Galatea) Like cyborgs?

(L) I guess so.

(Pierre) Transhumanism.

A: This is already being done to some extent.

Q: (L) What about a divide between people refusing and people wanting this integration?

A: That suggests a state of advancement that will never be achieved.

Q: (L) Why will it never be achieved?

A: We refer you to previous information.

Q: (L) It won't be achieved because humanity is, in a certain sense, going to possibly become extinct. Is that approaching it?

A: Cleansing.

Q: (L) Does that refer to the session when you once said, "Nothing lasts forever, thank goodness"?

A: Yes!

I'm thinking this is a BIG fat lesson for 4d STS.
Since they see as legitimate to expel the soul, so the DCM is warranted in expelling that which accepts this kind of behavior.

Reminds me also of the Vincent Bridges ordeal.
When you try to destroy, you are actually accepting that you may be destroyed as well.
This is how STS backfires.

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 

[Agron]

I'm not an astrologer, but I find it fascinating to look at what they are saying, as long as they're not 'sugar coating' it, or telling us rubbish!

Thanks for the link.
Me neither. Im a noob all over, not just astrology!! But I gotta tell you that my learning curve has skyrocketed and Im amazed how fast Im able to really learn various new concepts and disciplines. Laura, the Cs and this forum helped A LOT. The thing that gave me extra boost was when I read the Cs sugesstion about ones frequancy and learning. If you manage to get into a frequency of learning and you boost it with your clean energy, on the right points in the cycle, then it grows exponentionally. Hope youll understand my meaning...

FYI when it comes to Astrology I noticed that these Astrologers who understand and read Sumerian and Babylonian and Vedic texts are more precise in their readings. So Im not a huge fan of the latest fads in Astrology . But that doesnt mean I wont listen or read some of them. Good knowledge is everywhere and one has to be open and vigilant to catch it!

 

[anka]

1. The 2013 strain should be something pretty different. Any version of COVID-19 should be at most about 2 years old, according to what the Cs said. There are dozens of coronaviruses, mostly pretty harmless.
2. They said 2 major strains. It was reported early on that there were 5 strains present in the US, and later I read the scientists identified 8 strains. Presumably this is all COVID-19, though it's hard to know since the media usually make no distinction between that and any other coronavirus.

In Iceland they have so far identified 40 different variations but I am lost in trying to understand what the original strain is and what is just a recent mutation of it. Perhaps there are two main branches with plenty of twiglets stemming from each line. This situation surely is already way out of control. If they come up with vaccine, they will have to lie because no one will be able to provide any chemical protection against such a variety of agents. We might as well dring a cup of sulfuric acid, just to be on the safe side to kill any virus:

Patient Infected With Two Strains of COVID-19 In Iceland
March 24. 2020

It’s been confirmed that an individual who tested positive for COVID-19 in Iceland has been infected by two strains of the virus simultaneously. The second strain is a mutation of the original novel coronavirus. It is thought that this could be the first recorded dual infection case of this kind.

Speaking to RÚV news yesterday, deCODE CEO, Kári Stefánsson confirmed the unusual infection. It is thought the mutated second strain could be more malicious or infectious because people infected by the dual-strain patient were only found to have the second strain. If this is the case, the virus could be mutating to become more infectious over time. However, Kári was unable to confirm this and suggested it could be a coincidence.

Kári also noted that the mutation found in the sample taken from this dually-infected patient is one that has not been found outside Iceland, according to international databases.

This is just one of the startling new discoveries deCODE has uncovered from its analysis of the genetic sequences of 40 COVID-19 strains found in Iceland. According to Kári, the diversity of genetic sequences found in COVID-19 samples taken in Iceland indicate that the virus was brought to Iceland from a wider range of areas than was previously thought. The main origins of Icelandic infections are currently thought to be Italy, Austria, and Britain. A football match in the U.K. is thought to be the source for seven infections in Iceland.

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[Mandatory Intellectomy]

What I meant by my question was to wonder/consider the possibility that the 4D STS would have a plan/wish to erradicate the kind of "truth virus" we all represent (ie STO candidates), and if in this case :
1. Would they dare/be in measure/will harm us (in mass) ?
2. Wonder if there's not a kind of rule preventing to do it ?
3. Wonder if 4D STO would perform an active act if the response of the 1st point is "yes" and the 2nd point is "no" - moreover if we all, as united team, we ask for help & protection.

1. They would dare if they thought it was a good idea.

2. Not really imo, but they're not stupid. Mess with your puppets too much and more might notice the puppet masters. Measures against us are being taken all the time - censorship and all kinds of harassment. What would you suggest? They just start killing us off? How? Secrecy is a large part of their strength. How would they get rid of us in a way that isn't suspicious? And they 'could' have killed us off at any time, so why now? And if they kill us, more will incarnate here anyway.

3. Unlikely. We're not here to get help. We're here to do the helping. This is our lesson. Lessons aren't learned by being 'helped'. (At least not too much.)
Also, for a large scale action noticeable by the whole planet, the 'united team' would have to be the whole planet, which clearly isn't the case.

But as i many time read, C's said that if you ask for help you'll be heard.

Well, some of us asked, and the Cs have heard us, and they've been giving us a lot of useful information. Seems good enough to me.

 

[Ruth]

It looks like somebody is trying hard to create problems in hospitals all over the World by confusing the personnel, not providing them with adequate protective materials, etc.

Bureaucrats (who run hospitals) going nuts! Followed by bureaucrats (who run governments), going nuts! Hopefully all of them haven't gone mad at the same time, I'll guess we'll wait and see!

 

[biuta]

Respiratory nursing and ICU nursing is not my area of expertise, however, as far as respirators are concerned, I believe there are two types of respiratory support - invasive and non-invasive. The invasive one would require putting the patient to sleep in order to overcome their gag reflex and putting 'an airway' down their throat. In both circumstances you'd want an trained operator to work the machines, otherwise, yeah, you'd destroy the lungs! Not good at all!!! And highly risky to the patient!

This shows how stupid the call from certain politicians is, for ridiculous numbers of respirators / ventilators to be provided, even if they do get those ridiculous numbers (e.g. 30,000), there are good chances of not having the trained personnel to operate them, not to mention the shifts.

 

[Candice]

Not by a long shot. There are very few people who have at least tried. The science is full of prejudice and assumptions, just like that whole Darwinism fiasco.

Exactly! And this is what my mind keeps coming back to. It’s most likely the PTB have more of an inkling of what viruses really are but for us we’re stumbling blind in the dark, this lack of knowledge is a problem.

I’ve already noticed when trying to discuss this whole “pandemic” with others that their anxiety and hysteria stems from lack of knowledge on what a virus is (even the mainstream data), and how this specific virus infects and spreads etc. They’re not interested in real data or research, they’re facing an unknown, which induces fear. Though it doesn’t have to be an unknown, there has been plenty of data on the nature of the virus from the very beginning (though again has it been accurate?). Even the word “virus” induces fear, they’ve been programmed with movies, computer games etc.

Back to my original train of thought, this lack of knowledge on the true origins, nature and purpose of viruses is what is allowing the PTB to con humanity at this time, most likely this information would show viruses to not be this “enemy” and something to be feared.

Though maybe I’ll be changing my mind when the real plague arrives .

 

[manitoban]

This thread really is an oasis in the midst of the sea of lies and misery in the world. Thanks to everyone who is participating, I think that a very strong truth signal is going out here, which may have non linear effects.

It seems to me that while the vast majority of the public have totally bought into the lies, I've noticed a slight change in (some) people starting to question the financial and psychological damage these lockdowns are creating. A week ago, people wouldn't even hear about what effects this was having, it was all about "PEOPLE ARE DYING", but now it's shifting to yeah these lockdowns might cause even more problems. Just a slight crack in the programming, and there is no awareness of the institution of a totalitarian state, but a glimmering that maybe this wasn't the best idea.

All the things the C's have taught over the years are now becoming clearer and clearer, I often think now that the reality split couldn't be more obvious, we literally live in the same world, yet see what is going on in such a totally different way to most, it's almost like we do live in a different reality. Every day it really does feel like we are watching the show.

 

[Agron]

This shows how stupid the call from certain politicians is, for ridiculous numbers of respirators / ventilators to be provided, even if they do get those ridiculous numbers (e.g. 30,000), there are good chances of not having the trained personnel to operate them, not to mention the shifts.

Not only that!! But the fact that hundreds, if not thousands of people who need medical care and procedures are now waiting at home for more than two weeks! I bet thats the case in every country that implemented lockdowns. Here its a disaster since our hospitals are run by thiefs.

And the only one who dares speak about it in public is again Ivan Pernar. In his last 2-3 videos he started to look more nervous and started ranting a bit, and he has these weird moments of laughing when he talks about people dying.. strange but can be attributed to stress. Or his age... he is young, 34.
Altho I think he is aware that these pensioners are exactly the people who are voting for the rulling HDZ("conservativs") which is ruining the country (same as SDP-"soc.dems") and his chances in politics. And I think hes aware that he will get a significant boost from voters in the next round of elections.
He did start saying that Corona is spreading and that the quarantine is supposed to slow the spread, which I dont like at all. He kinda flipped the record on that because he was mentioning extremely low rates of mortality before..
Either hes not too smart, or hes a really good at being controlled opposition. Thats why I said we probably wont be sure about his true agendas untill (if at all) he gets into political power.

"Cilj HDZ-a i Beroša je riješiti se umirovljenika, ali oni toga nisu svjesni"
"The goal of the HDZ and Beros is to get rid of the pensioners, but they are not aware of it"

 

[Mandatory Intellectomy]

In Iceland they have so far identified 40 different variations

Very interesting. Either thins thing is mutating really fast, or they're still discovering strains that have been around for a while. (Or both.)

but I am lost in trying to understand what the original strain is and what is just a recent mutation of it. Perhaps there are two main branches with plenty of twiglets stemming from each line. This situation surely is already way out of control.

Yeah, it's chaos, and the fact that the media or even hospitals are not only not providing accurate information but often guessing or straight-out making things up doesn't help.

If they come up with vaccine, they will have to lie because no one will be able to provide any chemical protection against such a variety of agents.

Well, it's OK. They have a lot of practice lying about vaccines, so this is just business as usual.

It’s been confirmed that an individual who tested positive for COVID-19 in Iceland has been infected by two strains of the virus simultaneously. The second strain is a mutation of the original novel coronavirus.
...
people infected by the dual-strain patient were only found to have the second strain

Maybe it's the STO guy who mutated the strain into something better and now he's passing it on. Evolution in real time!

I’ve already noticed when trying to discuss this whole “pandemic” with others that their anxiety and hysteria stems from lack of knowledge on what a virus is

I probably wasn't exaggerating that much when I said in my article: "most people can't tell apart a virus from a bacterium, or even a very small spider".

A week ago, people wouldn't even hear about what effects this was having, it was all about "PEOPLE ARE DYING"

Honestly, seeing some of the reactions out there, it feels like at least half of the people on the planet have never heard about infectious diseases and people dying before.

 

[Ruth]

Thanks for opening the debate and sharing ideas and thoughts, indeed appreciated and would say "useful".
Sure, in the STS world there's no solidarity, no consideration for the ones that obey you, they are useful and expandable resources. What I meant by my question was to wonder/consider the possibility that the 4D STS would have a plan/wish to erradicate the kind of "truth virus" we all represent (ie STO candidates), and if in this case :
1. Would they dare/be in measure/will harm us (in mass) ?

Yes, they're doing that now. It's their 'thing'.

2. Wonder if there's not a kind of rule preventing to do it ?

Yes and No (depending on whether you ask an STS or STO leaning individual and/or whether they are telling the truth - STS are big fat liars, by the way. It's called free will. STS leaning individuals have the free will to impose on us anything they want, even take away the free will of others by force and they will be big fat liars (to themselves) for reasons why they do that. STO leaning individuals have the free will to resist them, and say 'no' as long as it disadvantages no-one, including themselves.

3. Wonder if 4D STO would perform an active act if the response of the 1st point is "yes" and the 2nd point is "no" - moreover if we all, as united team, we ask for help & protection.

There's no such thing as a free lunch (or so I've heard !). STS would tell you otherwise, but then, you'd end up being their lunch! (because they're such big fat liars!) I think STO may require work which ends up as functioning as it's own form of protection. It's difficult to get one's brain around all that, especially if a person is hoping for action and/or protection from outside themselves and is not prepared to 'do anything' themselves.

It opens a whole new direction of inquiry for me, as I now have to start to think: Is the level of protection I get in any way related to the amount of work I do for others and on myself, or the amount of protection I can give others? In addition, I need to take into account what amount of ability I need to 'see the unseen' in order to protect myself. It all ends up as a real 'brain bender'!

 

[Agron]

Honestly, seeing some of the reactions out there, it feels like at least half of the people on the planet have never heard about infectious diseases and people dying before.

Yep. When I say that these masks they wear are useless and I mention incubation these dopeheads think Im talking about chickens and eggs

 

[987baz]

I just jumped on FB for the first time in a a bit, there seems to be some anti Bill gates memes doing the rounds already :) good news indeed :)