This article seems like an interesting read, but sadly, it's not available for Europeans. Here it is: Sweden Challenges Scientific Mainstream by Refusing to Lock-Down
Thank you @bjorn Yes, it is disappointing. Of course there are legal limitations, but if you excuse my discretion one might take your forum name and subtract it from my forum name - give and take ... It is not the only possibility though, if you are not comfortable with that solution. Anyway here it is:
by: CNN Wire
Posted: Apr 10, 2020 / 05:10 AM PDT / Updated: Apr 10, 2020 / 07:56 PM PDT

Swedish authorities have allowed a large amount of personal freedom unlike other European countries. (Andres Kudacki/AP)


Swedish authorities have allowed a large amount of personal freedom unlike other European countries. (Andres Kudacki/AP)
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Much of Europe is still on coronavirus lockdown, with severe restrictions on movement and penalties for those who transgress.

But not Sweden. Restaurants and bars are open in the Nordic country, playgrounds and schools too, and the government is relying on voluntary action to stem the spread of COVID-19.

It’s a controversial approach, and one that’s drawn US President Donald Trump’s attention. “Sweden did that, the herd, they call it the herd. Sweden’s suffering very, very badly,” Trump said on Tuesday.

But the Swedish government is confident its policy can work. Foreign Minister Ann Linde told Swedish TV on Wednesday that Trump was “factually wrong” to suggest that Sweden was following the “herd immunity” theory — of letting enough people catch the virus while protecting the vulnerable, meaning a country’s population builds up immunity against the disease.

Sweden’s strategy, she said, was: “No lockdown and we rely very much on people taking responsibility themselves.”

The country’s state epidemiologist, Anders Tegnell, also pushed back against Trump’s criticism that Sweden was doing badly. “I think Sweden is doing okay,” he told CNN affiliate Expressen. “It’s producing quality results the same way it’s always done. So far Swedish health care is handling this pandemic in a fantastic way.”

As of April 9, Sweden has 9,141 cases of the COVID-19 virus and 793 deaths, according to Johns Hopkins University figures.

Sweden’s actions are about encouraging and recommending, not compulsion. Two days after Spain imposed a nationwide lockdown on March 14, Swedish authorities were encouraging people to wash hands and stay at home if sick. On March 24, new rules were introduced to avoid crowding at restaurants. But they very much stayed open.
So did many primary and secondary schools. Gatherings of up to 50 people are still permitted.

Tegnell defended the decision to keep schools open. “We know that closing down schools has a lot of effects on health care because a lot of people can’t go to their work anymore. A lot of children are suffering when they can’t go to school.”

Elisabeth Liden, a journalist in Stockholm, told CNN the city is less crowded now. “The subway went from being completely packed to having only a few passengers per car. I get the sense that a vast majority are taking the recommendations of social distancing seriously.”

But she added that while “some Swedes won´t even kiss their spouse, others are throwing Easter parties.”

Fresh surge
Much of Sweden’s focus has been to protect the elderly. Anyone aged 70 or older has been told to stay at home and limit their social contact as much as possible. One Swedish government official said that on the whole people supported the government’s approach, but many were “upset about the fact that no ban on visiting homes for elderly was set until recently [April 1], and now the virus is widely spread among these homes, causing the death toll to rise.”

The World Health Organization (WHO) is skeptical of Sweden’s approach. Noting a fresh surge in the country’s infections, the WHO told CNN Wednesday that it’s “imperative” that Sweden “increase measures to control spread of the virus, prepare and increase capacity of the health system to cope, ensure physical distancing and communicate the why and how of all measures to the population.”

“Only an ‘all of society’ approach will work to prevent escalation and turn this situation around,” said a WHO Europe spokesperson.

Sweden’s “curve” — the rate of infections and deaths caused by coronavirus — is certainly steeper than that of many other European countries with stricter measures. A study by Imperial College London estimated that 3.1% of the Swedish population was infected (as of March 28) — compared to 0.41% in Norway and 2.5% in the UK.

As for deaths, by April 8, coronavirus accounted for 67 fatalities per 1 million Swedish citizens, according to the Swedish Health Ministry. Norway had 19 deaths per million, Finland seven per million. The number of deaths rose 16% on Wednesday.

Some Swedish researchers are demanding the government must be stricter. This week several prominent Swedish clinicians wrote an open letter lamenting that large numbers of people are visiting bars, restaurants and shopping malls, even ski slopes. “This unfortunately is translating into a death toll that continues to climb in Sweden.”
Cecilia Söderberg-Nauclér — a virus immunology researcher at Sweden’s Karolinska Institute — is one of more than 2,000 health professionals and researchers who signed a petition demanding tougher action. She told CNN: “We are not winning this battle. It is horrifying.

“Where I live people are working from home, but they go to local restaurants, local cafés and they mix up old people and young people from schools and universities. That is not social distancing.”

Söderberg-Nauclér says the situation in Stockholm, where the great majority of the country’s infections have occurred, is “lost,” but adds: “It is not too late for rest of the country. I wish we would lock down and take control of regions not affected in same way.”

Weather the storm
Tom Britton, professor of mathematical statistics at Stockholm University, models how infectious diseases behave in a population. He believes 40% of the Swedish capital’s population will be infected by the end of April. While acknowledging the difficulty of measuring the rate of infection, he told CNN that “my best guess today would be 10% or a bit more” of Swedes currently have the virus nationwide.

Some opponents of the government’s policy fear that reliance on voluntary behavior will cause a much faster spike in cases, potentially overwhelming the health care system. Sweden also has one of the lowest ratios of critical care beds per capita in Europe, and the government official who spoke with CNN said that supplies of protective equipment are only just staying ahead of demand.

In some ways, however, Sweden is better prepared to weather the storm than other countries. Some 40% of the country’s workforce worked from home regularly, even before the virus struck and Sweden has a high ratio of people living on their own, whereas in southern Europe it’s not uncommon to have three generations under one roof.

Emma Grossmith, a British employment lawyer working in Stockholm, says another factor in Sweden’s favor is a generous social welfare net that means people don’t feel obligated to turn up for work if their young child is sick. State support kicks in on day one of absence from work due to a child being sick. “The system here was already well set up to help people to make smarter choices which ultimately benefit the wider population,” she told CNN.

But Grossmith notes a big gap between the way Swedes and expatriates view the virus. “There is a native trust in the system amongst those who have grown up with it. In contrast, many of the expat community feel that the strategy has neither been communicated clearly nor robustly challenged in the Swedish press. They are deeply worried.”

The next month will determine whether the Swedish system got it right.
 
Just received this via email:

Message de Frédéric Duval - Directeur général, Amazon.fr

Since the beginning of the COVID-19 outbreak we have been mobilized to serve you.

We are perplexed by the decision of the Nanterre court, which leaves us no choice but to temporarily suspend the activity of our warehouses in France, despite concrete evidence of the safety measures put in place to protect the health of our employees at all our sites. We are appealing this decision.

Nevertheless, we will continue to provide you with access to the products you need, thanks to the strength of our global distribution network and the independent companies that sell on amazon.co.uk without category restrictions.

Specifically, you can continue to order and receive all items displayed as available on Amazon.co.uk. The delivery times displayed on the site are adjusted.

We regret this court decision and are doing our utmost to limit the potential impact on the thousands of French businesses that sell on amazon.co.uk, our employees, and our partners. We have asked our employees to stay home this week and will continue to pay them their full salaries.

We would like to thank all the employees who have remained mobilized during this crisis as well as the many customers who have shown their support and expressed how modestly we are helping them in this exceptional context.

We remain at your side. Take care of yourself.

Frédéric Duval - Chief Executive Officer, Amazon.fr

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
 
Finnish Institute for Health and Wellfare has researched the spread of coronavirus in population by using antibody testing. According to preliminary data based on 400 samples, the spread of coronavirus could be over 20-times higher than officially confirmed cases

Apparently Finnish Institute for Health and Wellfare (THL) has estimated from early on covid-19 mortality to be 0,05-0,1 percent.

This has rarely been mentioned in our media (which has fearmongered by reiterating the WHO 3,4% mortality numbers and official inflated death statistics), and I only realized this today, when it was reported that THL raised it's estimate to 0,2 percent!

So all this time the highest health research authority of Finland has considered Covid-19 to be as deadly as average flu. Yet the policy hasn't followed this estimation at all: schools are closed, restaurants closed, (they can still sell take-away meals) most people work from home, and capitol area borders were closed for several weeks (lockdown was lifted few days ago).

Today THL professor Mika Salminen warned about the second wave of coronavirus, and said he basically agrees with the main corona expert in Sweden, epidemiologist Anders Tegnell's methods how the situation should be handled, but that Finland's current approach is political decision.

So it seems that the experts at THL weren't fooled by WHO numbers and have been very objective with their estimations.
 
Meanwhile:


Research on a group of blood donors in Denmark points to its Covid-19 mortality rate being well below one percent of the number of people infected with the disease, according to a team at the Rigshospitalet in Copenhagen.

Tests were carried out on 1,487 samples from Danish blood donors at the hospital showed a mortality rate of just 0.16 percent.
That puts the Danish scientists' estimates up to 20 times lower than those of the World Health Organization, which is putting deaths at anywhere between one percent and three percent of the number who contract Covid-19.

The study also suggested that far more Danes than the 5,000 which current figures show have caught the virus, with the number possibly being as high as 400,000.

The test looked for antibodies formed during an infection and found that 22 donors out of the 1,487 were positive, the Danish Broadcasting Corporation reported.

However, medics have urged caution when reviewing the figures, saying they are “complex” while also pointing out that blood donors tend to be healthier than average members of the population.

The head of the Danish Health Authority said earlier there was “a lot of contagion in Denmark” adding that there was a “huge, somber amount” of undiagnosed Danes.

Denmark has so far recorded 6,879 cases of coronavirus and 309 deaths out of a population of 5.8 million.

Danes have been in a lockdown since mid-March but plans to relax the measures came in on Wednesday. As a first step, day care centres and schools for children in first to fifth grade reopened.
 
So this was posted on Facebook by a friend who is not a part of this group! Hillarious!

Here are the official Coronavirus guidelines:

1. Basically, you can't leave the house for any reason, but if you have to, then you can.

2. Masks are useless, but maybe you have to wear one, it can save you, it is useless, but maybe it is mandatory as well.

3. Stores are closed, except those that are open.
4. You should not go to hospitals unless you have to go there. Same applies to doctors, you should only go there in case of emergency, provided you are not too sick.
5. This virus is deadly but still not too scary, except that sometimes it actually leads to a global disaster.
6. Gloves won't help, but they can still help.
7. Everyone needs to stay HOME, but it's important to GO OUT.
8. There is no shortage of groceries in the supermarket, but there are many things missing when you go there in the evening, but not in the morning. Sometimes.
9. The virus has no effect on children except those it affects.
10. Animals are not affected, but there is still a cat that tested positive in Belgium in February when no one had been tested, plus a few tigers here and there…
11. You will have many symptoms when you are sick, but you can also get sick without symptoms, have symptoms without being sick, or be contagious without having symptoms. Oh, my..
12. In order not to get sick, you have to eat well and exercise, but eat whatever you have on hand and it's better not to go out, well, but no…
13. It's better to get some fresh air, but you get looked at very wrong when you get some fresh air, and most importantly, you don't go to parks or walk. But don’t sit down, except that you can do that now if you are old, but not for too long or if you are pregnant (but not too old).
14. You can't go to retirement homes, but you have to take care of the elderly and bring food and medication.
15. If you are sick, you can't go out, but you can go to the pharmacy.
16. You can get restaurant food delivered to the house, which may have been prepared by people who didn't wear masks or gloves. But you have to have your groceries decontaminated outside for 3 hours. Pizza too?
17. Every disturbing article or disturbing interview starts with "I don't want to trigger panic, but…"
18. You can't see your older mother or grandmother, but you can take a taxi and meet an older taxi driver.
19. You can walk around with a friend but not with your family if they don't live under the same roof.
20. You are safe if you maintain the appropriate social distance, but you can’t go out with friends or strangers at the safe social distance.
21. The virus remains active on different surfaces for two hours, no, four, no, six, no, we didn't say hours, maybe days? But it takes a damp environment. Oh no, not necessarily.
22. The virus stays in the air - well no, or yes, maybe, especially in a closed room, in one hour a sick person can infect ten, so if it falls, all our children were already infected at school before it was closed. But remember, if you stay at the recommended social distance, however in certain circumstances you should maintain a greater distance, which, studies show, the virus can travel further, maybe.
23. We count the number of deaths but we don't know how many people are infected as we have only tested so far those who were "almost dead" to find out if that's what they will die of…
24. We have no treatment, except that there may be one that apparently is not dangerous unless you take too much (which is the case with all medications).
25. We should stay locked up until the virus disappears, but it will only disappear if we achieve collective immunity, so when it circulates… but we must no longer be locked up for that?
 
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I've just joined this Facebook group. Most of the folk there are more concerned about reopening their small businesses, and less about the virus being a "hoax" though. Yesterday, the Governor passed a law where we all have to wear a facemask if we enter any business (which at this point basically the only ones open are grocery stores and pharmacies), and the business has a right to deny us entry if not. But, supposedly if you have a health issue that would prevent you from wearing one, you can just say so and they cannot ask you to provide documentation. :rolleyes:
 
I don't know if Bill Gates is under arrest but it look like some opposition is forming again Fauci. IS Trump ready to move. I will listen to the podcast now, curious to see how deep Kennedy as dig.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. revealed disturbing information about Dr. Anthony Fauci’s medical career in the government, calling out the celebrated physician for a history of disturbing practices ranging from costly cover ups to outright fraud.

Kennedy repeatedly slammed Fauci on the Thomas Paine Podcast on Wednesday, revealing disturbing information about Fauci’s problematic career steering key medical policy for the United States. Kennedy described Fauci as a workplace tyrant who has ruined careers of upstanding physicians and researchers in order to cover up scandals and costly medical research disasters at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases where Fauci has served as director since 1984 as part of the National Institute of Health.




“Tony Fauci didn’t want the American public to know that he has poisoned an entire generation of Americans,” Kennedy said, alleging Fauci targeted a whistleblower who was trying to uncover the blood supply in the country was tainted with deadly strains. Kenney said Fauci ruined the physician’s career and covered up the crucial research. And that was just one of Kennedy’s attacks against Fauci. There were more. Kennedy also targeted Bill Gates, Big Pharma, the media, and more in this exclusive interview. Listen below.
 
I don't know if Bill Gates is under arrest but it look like some opposition is forming again Fauci. IS Trump ready to move. I will listen to the podcast now, curious to see how deep Kennedy as dig.


Robert F. Kennedy Jr. revealed disturbing information about Dr. Anthony Fauci’s medical career in the government, calling out the celebrated physician for a history of disturbing practices ranging from costly cover ups to outright fraud.

Kennedy repeatedly slammed Fauci on the Thomas Paine Podcast on Wednesday, revealing disturbing information about Fauci’s problematic career steering key medical policy for the United States. Kennedy described Fauci as a workplace tyrant who has ruined careers of upstanding physicians and researchers in order to cover up scandals and costly medical research disasters at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases where Fauci has served as director since 1984 as part of the National Institute of Health.




“Tony Fauci didn’t want the American public to know that he has poisoned an entire generation of Americans,” Kennedy said, alleging Fauci targeted a whistleblower who was trying to uncover the blood supply in the country was tainted with deadly strains. Kenney said Fauci ruined the physician’s career and covered up the crucial research. And that was just one of Kennedy’s attacks against Fauci. There were more. Kennedy also targeted Bill Gates, Big Pharma, the media, and more in this exclusive interview. Listen below.

Finally a semblance of 'relevant' exposure, when you put all the dots in perspective: TRUMP is about (IMO) to reveal part of his hand showing that he can bluff better than most! It's priceless!
 
The US is accusing China of releasing the virus.
China is accusing the US of releasing the virus.
This is no conspiracy theory, it is official announcement from official sources.
Shouldn't we focus on that first? These are major players on the Global arena, members of the UN with permanent seats in the Security Council and veto rights.
Such allegations are very serious, especially considering the immense impact this Pandemic had on the entire World.
Should we not push these actors to reveal their cards?
If these allegations are false, they should stop this game as it is counter productive. They say this Pandemic is serious, then, let's be serious about it, leave Politics aside until we resolve the issue.
If any or both of these allegations are true, then, that is a completely different story. It means that this virus was "manufactured", it is not natural, and therefore its behavior should be known to a certain extent, which should lead to a faster resolution on the current problem. If it was an accident, we can leave the blaming and punishment discussion for later and address the problem at hand, by sharing information and resolving the problem.
So maybe before we go into all kinds of spirals, be it economic, social, medical, etc, let's take a step back and ask:
Is this a natural occurring virus, or is it man made?
Should this question not be the first one to ask at the UN and WHO? Both the US and China, as mature and responsible leading members of the Global community should be glad to address this in an adultlike manner, no?
 
This post has elicited quite a few 'Angry' emotes from the 'Like' post feedback option. Hopefully, all of those are in relation to the letter rather to what I said about it. However, if I have made anyone angry with that post then I apologise. Please know that I would never deliberately set out to anger anyone here especially at such a trying time.

@strategic enclosure,

The emoji thing is difficult to use sometimes I think. One does not really see an emoji that fully expresses what they would like to say. I am guessing the angry ones were because they sympathized with your reaction to the letter. They were not angry with you but what you had to endure.


Session 3 January 2009
Q: (L) That's what the caterpillars eat to make silk. (J) So _____ should take Mulberry extract? (laughter) (_____) And Then I can start making silk? (L) If you start doing weird things, I'm outta here! (laughter) (_____) What can I do to mentally block?

A: Right now you need help as you are ... weak. But the general principle can be understood from the term "righteous anger." If you think about the expression that the fate of the universe may depend on you it should make you angry.

Q: (L) That wasn't very clear, was it? (A****) That expression?

A: No. The fate of the universe can be altered negatively and many will suffer if you are out of the picture. That is what "they" want.
 

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