So, I've read stuff about the coronavirus for the last couple of days, and it seems like some people are afraid that this virus could cause cytokine storm: Cytokine release syndrome - Wikipedia
Apparently, a lot of young, healthy adults died because of cytokine storm during the spanish flu pandemic.

Fortunately, it looks like nicotine helps reduce the inflammation caused by cytokine storm:

Nicotine is a nonselective agonist of the α7Ach receptor and is able to suppress the production of proinflammatory cytokines by mimicking the binding of acetylcholine. It has been demonstrated that nicotine can selectively reduce the inflammatory response in a number of infection scenarios, including Legionella pneumophila and Chlamydia pneumoniae infection; however, it is highly unlikely that nicotine will ever be used clinically due to its toxicity, addictive nature, and lack of specificity.

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Apparently, a lot of young, healthy adults died because of cytokine storm during the spanish flu pandemic.
What I read not too long ago, was that most of the spanish flu patients were treated with massive doses of aspirin! Absolutely crazy amounts were given and patients probably died more because of that than anything the flu was doing. Years ago when I first read about this pandemic and treatments given, people who survived were given some kind of holistic drug(?) that was spelled similar to geranium - don't recall the exact name now. Also don't recall if vitamin C was used for this, too, as was the case with polio by some enlightened doctors, one of which presented his findings but was ignored in favor of the newly developed Sabin and Salk vaccines. Medicine has been corrupt for a very long time.
Vitamin-C Cured Polio During the Epidemic of 1948-49

It's common for the conventional medical paradigm to comment on all the various vaccine triumphs of the past, including that reported eradication of polio. However, no mention is made of how polio continues, often from polio vaccinations but under different names.

But worse than that is the shield of silence obscuring a humble small town physician who cured polio victims in the late 1940s and early 1950s using mega-dosages of vitamin C. His name was Frederick Robert Klenner, MD. Dr. Klenner was an early pioneering orthomolecular physician who treated many different maladies successfully, including polio, with massive doses of different vitamins. Vitamin C was the major medicine he employed for polio. Motivated by earlier orthomolecular discoveries, Dr. Klenner simply administered injections of high dose ascorbic acid vitamin C to patients with pneumonia. His trial and error method wound up curing all of them within days.

 
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Years ago when I first read about this pandemic and treatments given, people who survived were given some kind of holistic drug(?) that was spelled similar to geranium

Geranium ? Do you mean gelsemium?

"Was homeopathy successful in treating the flu epidemic of 1918? Yes. While the mortality rate of people treated with traditional medicine and drugs was 30 percent, those treated by homeopathic physicians had mortality rate of 1.05 percent. Of the fifteen hundred cases reported at the Homeopathic Medical Society of the District of Columbia there were only fifteen deaths. Recoveries in the National Homeopathic Hospital were 100%. In Ohio, of 1,000 cases of influenza, Dr. T. A. McCann, MD, Dayton, Ohio reported NO DEATHS.

What homeopathic remedies were used to successfully treat the Spanish flu in 1918? Gelsemium and Bryonia According the Dr. Frank Wieland, MD, in Chicago, "(With) 8,000 workers we had only one death. Gelsemium was practically the only remedy used. We used no aspirin and no vaccines."

Homeopathy was 98% successful in treating the Spanish flu epidemic in 1918?

Yes. Ohio reported that 24,000 cases of flu treated allopathically had a mortality rate of 28.2% while 26,000 cases of flu treated homeopathically had a mortality rate of 1.05% . In Connecticut, 6,602 cases were reported, with 55 deaths, less than 1%. Dr. Roberts, a physician on a troop ship during WWI, had 81 cases of flu on the way over to Europe. He reported, "All recovered and were landed. Every man received homeopathic treatment.

How do they know that a virus caused the flu epidemic of 1918, when the first virus was not isolated until 1933?

They don't. In fact, many believe that the epidemic was actually a vaccine reaction. When Army vaccinations became compulsory in 1911, the death rate from typhoid vaccination rose to the highest point in the history of the US Army. US Secretary of War Henry L Stimson reported that seven men dropped dead after being vaccinated. He also reported 63 deaths and 28,585 cases of hepatitis as a direct result of yellow fever vaccination during only six months of WW1. According to a report in the Irish Examiner, "The report of the Surgeon-General of the US Army shows that during 1917 there were admitted into the army hospitals 19,608 men suffering from anti-typhoid inoculation and vaccinia. When army doctors tried to suppress the symptoms of typhoid with a stronger vaccine, it caused a worse form of typhoid paratyphoid. But when they concocted an even stronger vaccine to suppress that one, they created an even worse disease Spanish flu."

Did the flu strain that caused the 1918 flu ever return?

Yes. The 1918 'Spanish Flu' was first reported in an American military, Camp Funston, Fort Riley, in troops preparing for WW1 and receiving 25 vaccinations. According to the CDC, the same flu strain appeared only one other time: in 1976. This was again at a US army base, Fort Dix, and again, was seen in recently vaccinated troops, and only in them. The virus has not appeared anywhere else.
 
Another update from Jon Rappaport. He makes a lot of sense.


What are the Chinese hiding in Wuhan? (by Jon Rappaport, January 27, 2020)

"In the previous epidemics, which turned out to be duds---West Nile, SARS, bird flu, Swine Flu, MERS, Zika, Ebola---there were people claiming the virus had been diabolically weaponized, it was spreading unchecked, and THIS WAS THE BIG ONE. If they had been right, we would not be here to discuss epidemics. We would all be dead. Of course, this history of duds gives these doomsayers no pause at all. They keep predicting THE END. They have miraculously short memories." (Jon Rappoport, The Underground)

I've been investigating and writing about fake epidemics for over 30 years. One of my prime strategies: were there hidden and unreported causes that would explain people's symptoms and illnesses---causes having nothing to do with viruses? I found them. "The virus" turned out to be a convenient and very effective cover story that would obscure the true causes that important forces wanted to hide.

So I began looking into Wuhan, the center of the current "coronavirus epidemic." I was particularly interested in the one symptom that was slightly different from the typical flu symptoms from past fake epidemics: the emphasis on lung problems and pneumonia.

Here is what I've found out so far.

First of all, Wuhan, a city of 11 million, is called "the Chicago of China." It is both an economic juggernaut and a transportation hub---railroads, roads, highways connecting travelers to other Chinese cities.

Several sources list the annual GDP of Wuhan at a staggering $220 billion dollars.

230 foreign Fortune 500 companies have offices in Wuhan and do business there. All in all, 80 foreign countries are funding companies in the city.

The Chinese New Year is now underway. It lasts from January 25 to February 10. During this period, Chinse people travel. They journey far and wide. In fact, this is the largest annual human migration on the planet. We're talking about hundreds of millions of people on the move. So it's a devastating coincidence (?) that now there would be an epidemic and a massive lockdown of Chinese cities and transportation. Along with stopping people from moving around, enormous amounts of money are being lost because tourist consumers can't go on the road and spend money. This might be called a clue. It would require much investigation. Is someone intentionally torpedoing the Chinese economy?

Then there is this, from Bloomberg News, "China Wants Activists to Stay Out of Its War on Pollution. Citizen activism in the mold of Greta Thunberg is all but taboo in the world's biggest polluter," January 23, 2020:

"When Premier Li Keqiang declared a 'war against pollution' in 2014, a few hundred residents of the city of Wuhan in central China took it as a cue."

"They printed Li's words on a six-meter (20 foot) banner and protested outside a foul-smelling incinerator plant they feared was causing illness in the community. Buoyed by the conviction they were answering the leadership's call, the residents were instead harassed by local police officers who tore down the sign and trampled on it."

"'We were worried and angry when we realized what was causing the stench and making our kids sick', said Zhang Xijiao, 44, who was detained for a week for making the banner. 'But we are like ants, the local government can crush us as they please'."

"Ren Rui, 40, quit her apartment in 2017 after her son developed a lung condition that required repeat surgery. She said smoke from the plant would blow her way under certain conditions. She tried to rent it out, 'but no one wants to move here. Sometimes my mood depended on the direction of the wind,' said Ren. Despite the financial pressure since, 'I never regretted moving away'."

Faulty incinerator. Illness. Pollution. Lung problems.

Let's move on to another description of Chinese protests---in Wuhan.

CNN, July 11, 2019, "China has made major progress on air pollution. Wuhan protests show there's still a long way to go":

"...Recent weeks [in Wuhan] have seen major protests there -- in themselves a rarity in China -- over plans for a new garbage incineration plant."

"Holding banners with slogans such as 'we don't want to be poisoned, we just need a breath of fresh air,' thousands [!] of people took to the city's streets over two weeks in June and July calling for the suspension of plans to build the plant."

"'We are fearful that the plant is too close to residence area,' one protester in the city of 10 million people told state media. Others expressed concern that emissions could worsen air pollution and harm residents' health."

"Local officials were apparently surprised by the scale and size of the protests, which came after several similar waste plants were reportedly found to be giving off dangerous emissions. Photos and videos shared on social media showed large crowds marching in the streets near where the plant was to be built, and police arresting numerous protesters."

"The government has since suspended building of the plant, which locals said had halted protests, but a heavy police presence remains in the city where the situation is tense."

"Public pressure has been the driving force of pollution policy in China, and it shows no sign of letting up."

"In 2016, protesters took to the streets of Chengdu wearing face masks to demand action to tackle smog, while other demonstrations have targeted power and chemical plants in Sichuan, Jiangsu and Heilongjiang provinces in recent years."

"The Chinese government is highly sensitive to the threat of protests like those in Wuhan, with the shadow of the 1989 Tiananmen massacre looming large. Calls for collective action are among the most censored subjects online, and people organizing protests or working for civil society groups can face harassment and imprisonment."

In other words, protests against pollution in one Chinese city can inspire protests in other cities. A very dangerous situation for the Chinese government. Furthermore, it is generally acknowledged that official and corporate reports on pollution levels are being faked, to make "dangerous" into "healthy."

Grist.org, June 12, 2012, "China's smog city: What Wuhan looks like with 20 times the U.S. dust limit":

"At about 2 a.m. local time Monday morning, a dense smog began to cover the province. By early afternoon, it reached its peak density in the land-locked city of Wuhan itself...The demonstrable danger is to lungs and bloodstreams."

Yale Environment 360, April 17, 2018, "How a 'Toxic Cocktail' Is Posing a Troubling Health Risk in China's Cities":

"The foul air of dozens of fast-expanding cities across China contains cocktails of toxic contaminants unprecedented in the range of pollutants they contain at high concentrations. Now, new research into these swirling maelstroms of gases and tiny particulates suggests that they may be incubating chemical reactions that compound the health effects in ways not seen before - effects that doctors say are cutting five years off the expected lifespan of half a billion people in northern China...China has the world's most dangerous outdoor air pollution."

"Three other cities listed as regularly suffering dangerous levels of four or five of the pollutants are Jining, also in Shandong, Wuhan in Hubei province, and Jiayuguan and Jinchang in Gansu. None of the seven appear in the lists of the ten most polluted Chinese cities published by the WHO or Chinese environment ministry."

"All the five major pollutants in smogs - SO2, NOx, ozone, PM10 and PM2.5 - are known to be linked individually to increased risk of strokes, heart disease, lung cancer and asthma, and to rising hospital admissions and death rates during smogs. What is disturbing is that there is growing evidence of synergistic effects between these different pollutants that make the whole worse than the sum of the parts."

Lung disease---and no need to invoke a virus to explain it.

Getting the picture?

We have two major clues here. One, the distinct possibility of an economic warfare attack against Wuhan and, during the Chinese New Year, against all of China. And two, the use of a coronavirus cover story to obscure huge pollution dangers and put down protests against that pollution, through mass lockdowns and quarantines.

"It's all about the virus and nothing else." How many times have I seen that cover story deployed?

Too many times to count them. Wherever in the world you would see extraordinary chemical pollution, grinding poverty, war, starvation, lethal dehydration, absence of basic sanitation, overcrowding in cities, horrendously contaminated water supplies, corporate takeover of farm land from the people, the highly destructive use of vaccines and toxic medical drugs and pesticides---you see a conscious and sustained effort to CONTROL the weakened population---and you will find the virus cover story publicized to the sky as the explanation for suffering, illness, and death.
 
That there is a link or not remains to be proved, but in March 2019, China Mobile has installed about a hundred 5G base stations in Wuhan (the capital of Hubei) and launched large-scale performance tests (data transfer speed, latency...).

China: deployment of 5G applications accelerates in 2019 - April 2019 French article

Military World Games venues to embrace full 5G coverage - June 2019 English article
The full coverage of 5G network for all venues will be reached by the end of July as the basic construction has been completed, the Executive Committee of the 7th Military World Games announced here Monday.

The list of 5G-ready venues is expanding, which already included Wuhan Sports Center for the opening and closing ceremonies, Sports Village, Media Center and the Management Center.

According to the information and technology department of the Committee, the plan of 5G network coverage for the Games was proposed at the end of the year 2017, followed by a strict implementation in procedures, as well as an effective collaboration between the local government and China's three major providers of 5G network services.

Efforts have also been made in exploring new applications of 5G technology, including 5G live video broadcast during the Games, and building a 5G technology experience center by combining VR, AI and other new technologies.

Wuhan is taking this opportunity to promote its 5G infrastructure construction, which will turn into a 5G network of nearly 10,000 stations covering the key areas of the city by the end of the year.

And today:
Huawei is Helping Fight Coronavirus by Setting Up 5G Base Stations - Today English article
Huawei announced their support for Hubei Mobile and Hubei Unicom to launch 5G base stations in the Wuhan Vulcan Mountain Hospital. As you’ve probably heard by now, the Wuhan Vulcan Mountain Hospital is the building China is trying to build as quickly as possible to fight against the Coronavirus epidemic. The building follows the model of the Beijing Xiaotangshan Hospital; a hospital in China’s capital city built in only 7 days.

Thanks to Laura who shared this on FB:
Wuhan was the province where 5G was rolled out, now the center of deadly virus - Last Friday English forum

WUHAN, Oct. 31 (Xinhua) -- The branches of Chinese major telecom operators in central China's Hubei Province announced Thursday the launch of commercial 5G applications in the province.

Wuhan City, the capital of Hubei, is expected to have 10,000 5G base stations by the end of 2019, said Song Qizhu, head of Hubei Provincial Communication Administration.

China Telecom has established a 5G network covering airports, railway stations and other areas in the city, which will also help boost the digital and intelligent transformation of the industries with 5G technologies, said Li Hongbo, general manager of the company's Hubei branch.

China Mobile Hubei Branch has activated 1,580 5G base stations in the city as of mid-October, achieving the 5G coverage of universities, transportation hubs and other densely populated areas, according to the branch.

Exposure to 5G waves leads to... "flu-like symptoms."

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What I read not too long ago, was that most of the spanish flu patients were treated with massive doses of aspirin! Absolutely crazy amounts were given and patients probably died more because of that than anything the flu was doing.
Geranium ? Do you mean gelsemium?
Confirmed - see below:
The German aspirin has killed more people than the German bullets have. – Dr C. J. Loizeaux, Des Moines, ID, 1919, p.589

The standard of care established by the “regulars” included excessively large doses of aspirin, Dover’s powder, consisting of opium and ipecac, and a strengthening diet composed of large quantities of animal protein. No two treatments could be more diverging and opposite than the allopathic treatment protocols and those used by the Naturopaths and Homeopaths.
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There is a resounding message that Naturopaths had no trouble treating the Spanish Flu patient. In fact, their patients usually recovered. The typical death toll of the regular doctors was colossal; those documented by naturopathic doctors was significantly less. What stands out in naturopathic patient care outcomes during the Spanish Flu was the lack of drug intervention. Using hydrotherapies and fasting and hydrating patients – a reflection of respect for the fever’s role in the resolution of illness – was so effective that only about 1% of patients died under the care of a Naturopath.
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[William] Havard strongly warns against some of the recommendations of the health boards who were so eager to suppress fever with gram-doses of aspirin. (Havard, 1918, p.865)
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Dr James W. Ward reports 100% recoveries in 182 patients and reveals the 3 most frequently used remedies:
Gelsemium 3x: Controlled the fatigue cases having chilliness, moderate fever, sneezing, watery nasal discharge. No thirst. Yawning. Drowsy but often sleepless. Deep-seated, dull aching in the limbs and joints. Banded feeling around head or occiput fullness.

Eupatorium 3x: Marked chill followed by fever 103° to 105° F/39° to 41° C. Pulsating frontal or occipital headache. Intense aching in back. Deep bone aching. Nausea. Vomiting. Larynx rough, scraping sensation producing cough. Oppression of chest with soreness.

Bryonia 1x: Much chilliness, frequently with heat in head. Flushed face and much thirst. Heat more internal. Transient sweats of single parts. Dry cough which yields to blood specked expectoration. Constriction of chest and pressure on sternum. The symptoms all aggravated by motion… Desire to but unable to take deep breath. (Ward, 1919, p.856)
Whenever my kids became ill, I never gave them aspirin for fever as long as it was low and not dangerously high. We were taught that fever fights infection, so it made no sense to vanquish the fever before it had a chance to kill the germs. Neither I or any of my family ever had the flu and none ever got flu shots. The only exception was when my elderly mother was relegated to assisted care and I believe she got at least one then despite my instructions against it. She eventually succumbed to COPD with her death certificate indicating smoking was a factor - she never smoked in her life, but now there's an official statistical record that smoking contributes to COPD. I had repeatedly told relevant people that she never smoked, but then, how to explain the COPD? Had to be tobacco!
 
Exposure to 5G waves leads to... "flu-like symptoms."
I previously reported the rollout of 5G in Columbus, Ohio, in another thread as it is a "smart city" and my suburb has also garnered the "smart" designation. The local paper ran an article on Jan. 7 relating how neither cities or the state can block 5G towers. It went on to say that the following areas now have 5G service: Downtown, Italian Village, Ohio State University, Easton (huge shopping/dining mecca), Polaris (another large shopping/dining area), and Lewis Center in Delaware County (lots of shopping/dining there, too). The Polaris area has a large mall where I walk inside with a friend once a week. I don't do much of any shopping there, but do frequent restaurants in the area. Easton is where I take my dog to be groomed, but generally don't shop or dine there.
Easton Town Center:
A real estate project of Les Wexner, the founder, chairman and CEO of nearby Limited Brands, Easton comprises 1,800,000 square feet (170,000 m2) of retail space built upon approximately 90 acres (360,000 m2) within a larger 1,300-acre (5 km2) development.
You may recall Wexner's connection to Jeffrey Epstein: "Earlier this year, L Brands CEO Les Wexner admitted his close ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein."
So, can one expect a 5G epidemic to break out any day here in the Columbus area, all under the guise of some mysterious 'virus' from China?
 
BTW - the same article referenced in the previous post also says:
On Dec. 23, Verizon began 5G service in Columbus, as well as Cleveland and Hampton Roads, Virginia. Verizon's 5G mobile service is now available in 31 U.S. cities.
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The Columbus Department of Public Service has received 666 excavation permit applications for cell tower poles to be placed in city rights-of-way, said Debbie Briner, department spokeswoman.
666?!! How apropos! :evil:
 
I previously reported the rollout of 5G in Columbus, Ohio, in another thread as it is a "smart city" and my suburb has also garnered the "smart" designation. The local paper ran an article on Jan. 7 relating how neither cities or the state can block 5G towers. It went on to say that the following areas now have 5G service: Downtown, Italian Village, Ohio State University, Easton (huge shopping/dining mecca), Polaris (another large shopping/dining area), and Lewis Center in Delaware County (lots of shopping/dining there, too). The Polaris area has a large mall where I walk inside with a friend once a week. I don't do much of any shopping there, but do frequent restaurants in the area. Easton is where I take my dog to be groomed, but generally don't shop or dine there.
Easton Town Center:

You may recall Wexner's connection to Jeffrey Epstein: "Earlier this year, L Brands CEO Les Wexner admitted his close ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein."
So, can one expect a 5G epidemic to break out any day here in the Columbus area, all under the guise of some mysterious 'virus' from China?

Maybe 5G enhances cosmic virus alien? We probably are in the 3,600 years comet cycle (as explained by Pierre in the Focus below), so maybe 5G is made to accelerate what some nasty beings on BBM may know we are about to face?

Volcanoes, Earthquakes And The 3,600 Year Comet Cycle

And just recently (as shared elsewhere on the forum today), a study shows the possible presence of what is called a "ninth planet" (Planet X) causing gravitational perturbations on Trans-Neptunian objects and its period at about 3,500 years. (Actually it's around 3,556 years by reading the Pdf.)
 
So, can one expect a 5G epidemic to break out any day here in the Columbus area, all under the guise of some mysterious 'virus' from China?
Or, all this microwave radiation caused a mutation in the coronavirus and then the virus became lethal. When you combine the exposure of humans to 5G microwave radiation and all those fluelike symptoms which include abnormal and decreased immunity and possible mutations in the already existing coronavirus then you can have a drama as we have now.

Also, we should never forget the cosmic origin of the viruses. So if we mix all these 3 scenarios then it is a real path to disaster. And we must have in mind the planned 5G network cover that is planned in many countries around the world. China can build an entire hospital in 10 days, but there are countries where the health system is practically not-fuctioning ( including my country ) but they are still announcing a 5G network.
If that happens and if it is somehow connected with the outburst of this deadly virus then we can have a big disaster
 
China can build an entire hospital in 10 days, but there are countries where the health system is practically not-fuctioning ( including my country ) but they are still announcing a 5G network.
The emergence of 5G technology, now commercially available, offers the Department of Defense the opportunity to take advantage, at minimal cost, of the benefits of this system for its own operational requirements.
In other words, the 5G commercial network, built and activated by private companies, will be used by the US armed forces at a much lower expenditure than that necessary if the network were to be set up with an exclusively military goal.
Military experts foresee that the 5G system will play an essential role for the use of hypersonic weapons - missiles, including those bearing nuclear warheads, which travel at a speed superior to Mach 5 (five times the speed of sound). In order to guide them on variable trajectories, changing direction in a fraction of a second to avoid interceptor missiles, it is necessary to gather, elaborate and transmit enormous quantities of data in a very short time. The same thing is necessary to activate defences in case of an attack with this type of weapon - since there is not enough time to take such decisions, the only possibility is to rely on 5G automatic systems.

This new technology will also play a key role in the battle network. With the capability of simultaneously linking millions of transceivers within a defined area, it will enable military personnel - departments and individuals - to transmit to one another, almost in real-time, maps, photos and other information about the operation under way.

5G will also be extremely important for the secret services and special forces. It will enable control and espionage systems which are far more efficient than those we use today. It will improve the lethality of killer drones and war robots by giving them the capacity of identifying, following and targeting people on the basis of facial recognition and other characteristics. The 5G network, as a weapon of high-tech capacity, will also become the target for cyber-attacks and war actions carried out with new generation weapons.

As well as the United States, this technology is under development by China and other countries. The international disagreement concerning 5G is therefore not only commercial. The military implications of 5G are almost entirely ignored, because the critics of this technology, including many scientists, are concentrating their attention on its toxic affects for health and the environment, due to exposure to very low-frequency electromagnetic fields. This engagement is of course of the greatest importance, but must be linked to research on the military use of this technology, financed indirectly by ordinary users. One of its greatest attractions, which favours the dissemination of 5G smartphones, will be the possibility of participating, by subscription, in war games of impressive realism in direct contact with players from all over the world. In this way, without realising it, the players will be financing the preparation for war - but this time it will be a real war.
A double-edged sword for sure. Funny how the word smite comes to mind . . .
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Smite is a free-to-play, third-person multiplayer online battle arena (MOBA) video game developed and published by Hi-Rez Studios for Microsoft Windows, macOS, PlayStation 4, Nintendo Switch, and Xbox One.[6] In Smite, players control a god, goddess, or other mythological figure, and take part in team-based combat, using their abilities and tactics against other player-controlled gods and non-player-controlled minions.
Deuteronomy 28:22. The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.
 

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The Columbus Department of Public Service has received 666 excavation permit applications for cell tower poles to be placed in city rights-of-way, said Debbie Briner, department spokeswoman.

Do these masonic PTB types have a compulsive disorder - or are there certain rules that keep them announcing their plans and participation in such dubious projects...?
 
I previously reported the rollout of 5G in Columbus, Ohio.. (...)
So, can one expect a 5G epidemic to break out any day here in the Columbus area, all under the guise of some mysterious 'virus' from China?

Just as an aside, Robert David Steele claims that 5G is forbidden in Israel. He comes across as somewhat biased but has some interesting points to make...

Here's why 5G is not allowed in Israel...

For what it's worth...
 

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