Creating Stickers and Placards to extend awarness of SOTT,EE,Psychopathy etc.

[anart]

:D Here is the answer:

Hello XXX,

Thanks so much for the note and the kind words. It's always great to hear from like-minded artists and, yes, by all means, you have my permission to use Mr. Fish cartoons to promote SOTT. Also, feel free to contact me about doing anything for the site. I think it looks great and I'd be honored to contribute.

Peace, etc.
Dwayne
(Mr. Fish)

Good News! Tell him that you're not actually affiliated with the site, just a reader, but that you'll pass on his note to the editors and they'll make contact. We've already been in contact, purchasing some of his cartoons for the Dot Connector Magazine, but it will be good to check in with him again.

 

[Faith]

I tell you Anart, this is a powerful union: SOTT and Mr. Fish fit together like dove and feather! Those cartoons have already become a powerful branding that is associated with the world for people who think. Now that he feels honored to contribute to our quest for truth, this will definitely increase our chances of being recognized. I'm convinced the humorous way to communicate major issues is the most effective one. I am really happy for us.

 

[Faith]

This is what I am going to answer:

Hello Dwayne,

I'm glad you approve the idea. As a reader of Sott I've always had the feeling it's contents and your cartoons make a perfect match. I'm going to forward it to the editorial office. You will hear from them soon.

Best,

XXX


If there isn't any objection, I'm going to mail him the answer first thing in the morning (nine hours from now; )

 

[anart]

This is what I am going to answer:

Hello Dwayne,

I'm glad you approve the idea. As a reader of Sott I've always had the feeling it's contents and your cartoons make a perfect match. I'm going to forward it to the editorial office. You will hear from them soon.

Best,

XXX


If there isn't any objection, I'm going to mail him the answer first thing in the morning (nine hours from now; )

Okay, how about:

"I'm glad that you approve the idea. I am only a reader of the Sott website and not on the editorial staff, and I've always had the feeling its contents and your cartoons make a perfect match. I'm going to contact the editors and let them know that you're open to my idea, so hopefully you'll hear from them at some point soon.

Best,

XXX"

 

[Faith]

Done :D I'm looking forward to the outcome.

Since the fliers are hereby approved, I can begin my little promotion campaigne. It would be good to have some hires-versions of his cartoons, in order to create some posters as well. Shall I ask him myself or do you want to handle this?

 

[anart]

Done :D I'm looking forward to the outcome.

Since the fliers are hereby approved, I can begin my little promotion campaigne. It would be good to have some hires-versions of his cartoons, in order to create some posters as well. Shall I ask him myself or do you want to handle this?

It would be best for you to handle it and not ask him.

 

[Faith]

It would be best for you to handle it and not ask him.

"HiRes" means high resolution, sorry for not clarifying this. It's not intelligible to all. So we would need the cartoons in printable quality, as large as possible. That's what we need to ask him, if we want to print posters.

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[anart]

"HiRes" means high resolution, sorry for not clarifying this. It's not intelligible to all. So we would need the cartoons in printable quality. That's what we need to ask him, if we want to print posters.

I know what HiRes means, my point is that you do not officially represent SOTT, forget-me-not, so it would be appreciated if you not make him think that you do and asking him for hires files seems to be pushing it a bit. He has already agreed to let you use his cartoons to do what you are doing (which is not officially affiliated with SOTT) and I'm not sure you grasp how generous that is of him. This is his livelihood - it is how he makes a living and he is giving you permission to use it for free. That is EXTREMELY generous of him. I think you can use the files you can get from his website and make suitable posters from them without bothering him further. External consideration and politeness go a long way.

If, in the future, we need more from him, the SOTT editors will ask.

 

[Faith]

... and I'm not sure you grasp how generous that is of him. This is his livelihood ...

Since I am a professional and certified illustrator myself I surely need no lecture from you concerning what it means to make a living with this kind of work ;) It's not difficult to hand over a printable piece of art. When I decide to contribute to a project I find promissing, than I do it. I think he would think the same way.

He has already agreed to let you use his cartoons to do what you are doing (which is not officially affiliated with SOTT)...

That sounds like it's not really appreciated to promote Sott by members of the forum, rather tolerated. I'm a little confused by your response, Anart. I think Sott could use some promotion, does it not?

To have Mr. Fish by your side is a powerful opportunity, that shouldn't be wasted!


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[truth seeker]

Since I am a professional and certified illustrator myself I surely need no lecture from you concerning what it means to make a living with this kind of work ;) It's not difficult to hand over a printable piece of art. When I decide to contribute to a project I find promissing, than I do it. I think he would think the same way.

f-m-n,

I don't believe the issue lies so much in the difficulty on M.F's part to hand over such a file but rather the fact that he's been generous enough to agree to usage of it. He shouldn't have to do anything further as he's given quite enough already.

That sounds like it's not really appreciated to promote Sott by members of the forum, rather tolerated. I'm a little confused by your response, Anart. I think Sott could use some promotion, does it not?

To have Mr. Fish by your side is a powerful opportunity, that shouldn't be wasted!

The point is that what you initially wrote made it sound as if you might be a representative of Sott which you are not - in other words, it's a lie. Your last few posts sound as if there may be some self importance at play on your part. You seem to be attempting to represent yourself to M. F as if you were in a position to make certain decisions. In addition, you appear to now feel hurt because you are not being given free reign to do as you please.

The point of doing the Work is to make things easier for all involved. M. F has been extremely generous as has been noted, so I have to ask, what is it that you are really seeking in all of the exchanges - both here and with M. F? Is it some sort of recognition based on ego? Please correct me if I'm off.

 

[anart]

... and I'm not sure you grasp how generous that is of him. This is his livelihood ...

Since I am a professional and certified illustrator myself I surely need no lecture from you concerning what it means to make a living with this kind of work ;) It's not difficult to hand over a printable piece of art. When I decide to contribute to a project I find promissing, than I do it. I think he would think the same way.

He has already agreed to let you use his cartoons to do what you are doing (which is not officially affiliated with SOTT)...

That sounds like it's not really appreciated to promote Sott by members of the forum, rather tolerated. I'm a little confused by your response, Anart. I think Sott could use some promotion, does it not?

To have Mr. Fish by your side is a powerful opportunity, that shouldn't be wasted!


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This type of thinking and reaction is exactly why you do not represent SOTT and need to stop presenting yourself as if you do. If necessary I can write to Booth myself and explain that you are an overzealous reader so he understands that if he would like to contribute he can continue to work through the SOTT editorial staff.

We already have a professional arrangement with Booth as we've paid him for his cartoons for use in the Dot Connector Magazine and I have emailed him several times over the past two years.

So, this is not about you, forget-me-not. Time to stop acting like it is. If you cannot follow the advice given here then I'll email him myself and clear this up, so he understands that you do not represent SOTT. Is that clear?

Of course we appreciate it when readers put up sott.net stickers in their towns, or signs, or whatever, but trying to enter into a promotion agreement with Booth as if you are legally affiliated with the site is not going to happen and if you can't understand that then we'll take steps to make it very clear so that our current relationship with him is not negatively affected by your self-importance.

 

[Faith]

:( The situation has turned out quite different from what I expected. I really thought it would be great to have this artist on board. I thought trying to put him in contact with the Sott staff, would be a great idea. I didn't know there is already a professional relationship between you. But why didn't you say so in the first place, when we were discussing it here in this thread? I didn't know what I was getting into. I didn't expect to even endanger the possibility of you two working together, on the contrary. You are right Anart: I'm a overzealous reader, who crossed the line without noticing it. I took care to write a convincing mail, but it isn't flawless, as it turned out. I tried to represent myself as a fellow artist and fan, who hopes to enthuse him with the idea of an idealistic contribution. Those things happen all the time between artists. I didn't realize that it reads like I am representing Sott until Shane suggested it. It took a while until I noticed it myself. That's why I should have posted the mail in the forum before I sent it to him. I was too sure of myself and underestimated the whole situation.

Then I was really exited to get an answer and a positive one. I was so happy, that I started dreaming about all those promotional opportunities and got a little obsessed with it. I thought this might be a good way to contribute something positive. That's why I felt disappointed, when I realized that you are obviously not that exited and enthusiastic about it than I was. That's the confusing part, in which I also felt a little angry, frustrated and misunderstood. I was puzzled. Sorry for being the bull in the china shop!

I really try to understand the situation and am prepared to reevaluate every single bit. In the long run the only thing, that counts, is a positive contribution and not some self-related issues.

 

[anart]

:( The situation has turned out quite different from what I expected. I really thought it would be great to have this artist on board. I thought trying to put him in contact with the Sott staff, would be a great idea. I didn't know there is already a professional relationship between you. But why didn't you say so in the first place, when we were discussing it here in this thread? I didn't know what I was getting into. I didn't expect to even endanger the possibility of you two working together, on the contrary. You are right Anart: I'm a overzealous reader, who crossed the line without noticing it. I took care to write a convincing mail, but it isn't flawless, as it turned out. I tried to represent myself as a fellow artist and fan, who hopes to enthuse him with the idea of an idealistic contribution. Those things happen all the time between artists. I didn't realize that it reads like I am representing Sott until Shane suggested it. It took a while until I noticed it myself. That's why I should have posted the mail in the forum before I sent it to him. I was too sure of myself and underestimated the whole situation.

Then I was really exited to get an answer and a positive one. I was so happy, that I started dreaming about all those promotional opportunities and got a little obsessed with it. I thought this might be a good way to contribute something positive. That's why I felt disappointed, when I realized that you are obviously not that exited and enthusiastic about it than I was. That's the confusing part, in which I also felt a little angry, frustrated and misunderstood. I was puzzled. Sorry for being the bull in the china shop!

I really try to understand the situation and am prepared to reevaluate every single bit. In the long run the only thing, that counts, is a positive contribution and not some self-related issues.

So you got carried away with dreaming and it being about you, which was pretty obvious. I didn't mention it earlier because I thought this was a personal thing you wanted to do, not something where you would act as a SOTT representative. Yes, we already have a relationship with Dwayne, but that doesn't mean that we can't do more with him. Certainly you noticed that we carry his cartoons constantly on the SOTT site and in the DCM? You basically aren't networking very well. Why not list here your ideas of what you would actually - physically - in real time where you live - do with his art and come up with a plan that can either be utilized or worked on in order to be utilized. That is networking. All we know so far is that you were planning on putting a few posters up with his cartoon and sott.net on them - which isn't much of "all these promotional opportunities".

Do not communicate with him as if you are representing SOTT because you are not. Communicate here and come up with a plan that the network can give input on and approve and then one of the editors will communicate with him if necessary (but I'm not even sure that will be necessary). That way you can give your ideas and they can be used and you won't cause problems.

 

[Faith]

So I got carried away with dreaming and it being about me, jumping on the "opportunity" of contributing a great deal. Oh, boy. Got it. At least I've learned something :)

 

[Jones]

f-m-n, I could see myself doing something similar in your situation.

That's the confusing part, in which I also felt a little angry, frustrated and misunderstood. I was puzzled.

I recently had some people point out to me that confusion and puzzlement can be about false self preventing me from seeing the truth of a situation or from listening to that quieter prompting from within. This came up because they pointed out that I often had a puzzled look on my face. FWIW.

And yes, I did get to anger and frustration after the puzzlement or confusion - but I think that was more about a reaction to the stripping of an illusion, a predators mind reaction to the idea that I was perhaps more understood by those others than what a part of me wished to be known.

This is still all kind of grey to me though.