Crime and Punishment - Fyodor Dostoyevsky

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I have recently finished this book, and what a masterpiece of literature I must say. I saw that it had been discussed in the forum along the lines of the criminal mind, which is where my mind went as I read through through the pages, I will expand on that a little on the spoiler section. I would also like to suggest perhaps looking at it from a different perspective that also became apparent to me as I finished it.

As a work of literature it's a truly engaging piece of work, the depth of the scenes and how they're composed, the world building and how really complex characters fill them makes it a very engaging story to read. Although, as you might imagine, the emotions that you experience as you read through the story, and get to know the characters, are not entirely pleasant, but this I think was the goal of the author. So it's an effective work that is fairly well paid off in the end.

It can be a rather dense experience, but well worth it in my view.

The entire story is centered around Raskolnikov, and the story explores his mind. His mentation and his reactions as he plans, executes and tries to hide the murder of an old woman. As a study into the mind of a criminal, it does an excellent job at making you dive deeply into it. His manipulations, the coldness of his relationships, the way he treats others who love or care about him. To him the world really revolves around him, around his actions, and his thoughts. He is so self absorbed, that he ends up making mistakes, or showing off and creating further chaos for himself.

Raskolnikov has a grandiose self image, I think Staton Samenow did a great job describing him from the Criminal Mind point of view:

A statement by Raskolnikov at the conclusion of Fyodor Dostoevsky’s “Crime and Punishment” dramatically illustrates features of the criminal mind. The infallible criminal looks at himself and sees his main deficiency as his “stupidity” for being caught. Even in jail, Raskolnikov, the murderer, does not consider himself a “criminal” at all. He looks at his fellow inmates as though they are of “a different species….What surprised him most was the terrible impossible gulf that lay between him and all the rest.” He had “so hopelessly, stupidly come to grief through some decree of blind faith.”

So as a study of the criminal mind, Raskolnikov is an excellent one. He believed himself to be at the level of a Napoleon, one of the greats in history and thus above the law, something he expressed in an article he wrote and was published on a magazine. I think reading stories of events or an academic work on the criminal mind has a lot of utility, but there's something truly impactful to read through the story of a criminal where he's the protagonist, It has more of an emotional impact perhaps.

Another interesting aspect of this book is to study his friends and family. The almost unconditional love and acceptance that he received from those that cared about him. He always responded to their worry with an arrogant and rude dismissal, shouting at them that it was torture. The one time in the book when he apologized to his mother, for instance, he was simply running a script of what he thought they wanted to hear or how he should behave but never really felt sincerely anything of the sort.

Most interesting of all of his relationships is Sofya/Sonya, a down in her luck character, a devout christian who had nothing but love and acceptance to give, and whom he'd simply visit to insult and mock (although this relationship transforms towards the end). I like that perhaps on purpose or not, Sofya and Raskolnikov are contrasted throughout the book. She is the person everyone expects to behave in a criminal way because of what life has thrown at her, and he's the guy that everyone wanted to help and had the highest expectations of. In the end, she maintained her decency in the darkness of "street life" and tragedy, and he murdered someone because he thought he righteously could.

The interaction between the two, seemed to me at least, to represent the polar opposites of good and evil, and the times they met it always felt like a struggle between the two. Evil mocking good for being good.

The way absolutely everyone, with the exception of two or three characters, always found a way to explain away the criminal behavior was also rather astonishing and exceedingly well done and perhaps remarkably accurate. I couldn't help but think of this book on several levels that were a bit uncomfortable.

First, the very aspects of ourselves that can be likened to a criminal mind, our selfish justifications of our grandiose self, our thinking errors, our lies, manipulations and darkest aspects. We all have these, and it has been explored in this forum quite a lot, but reading through Dostoyevsky's work, it made it very poignant. The "evil" we act out on the world, and how thorough we can be at not only convincing ourselves that it was righteous, although that too, but at defending them as if they were factual knowledge about ourselves, I hope I am making sense.

Perhaps put another way, In the case of Raskolnikov, he didn't persuade himself to commit a crime and then came up with a narrative to explain it, he "knew" it was within his right to do so, meaning the criminality was much more fundamental to his being than mere nurture, if that makes sense.

Second, the way we justify someone else's behavior, and our own, coming up with immediate excuses for it, basing this on the image we may have construed of someone else, or ourselves, and how this image of them, or us, isn't really accurate. Not only because of lack of information, but because our desires get in the way. I think this is exceedingly well depicted in Raskolnikov's mother and Razumikhin, his best friend, who regardless of the treatment they received all throughout, were always there for him and would always create their own explanations for his behavior. They wanted him to be a great man, a good man, a good friend and son, and since this was what they wanted, then he had to be sick, in order to behave as he did.

His character was always explained away somehow in some way, and they even tried to protect him from being irritated by them and others. I think we can all relate to this experience, justifying someone's mistreatment and abuse perhaps, and shoving it under the rug, not only because we're being lied to, but because we want that other person to be what we want them to be. Part of this is faith and it can be positive as it pushes someone to do better and helps them not feel alone in the world, but another part of it is narcissism, it's wanting someone to be what we want them to be and refusing all the evidence to the contrary, refusing reality.

I think both of those aspects are well delineated in the book also, his mother was closer to a narcissist, and Razumikhin was more akin to a good friend who wanted the best for him.

But then the book ends in such a way, that I was pleasantly surprised. The answer is love, and a transformation can occur, which also agrees somewhat with the work of Samenow.

He decided to turn himself in, not because of conscience, but because he had been found out by two individuals. As he got to the station, he realized that both of these individuals were out of the picture and wouldn't represent a threat anymore, what a strike of luck!. So he decided to not turn himself in anymore and walk away, a free man. But Sofya, who had followed him there, needed only stand by to remind him that she'd always be there. Not only as an unconditional love and companion who would follow him to Siberia once he was in prison, but as a reminder to him of what he had done. It's like, symbolically, she was his conscience.

In the end, at the prison, after going through a self righteous victim mentality stage, and at the risk of loosing Sofya, after she had gotten sick and hadn't come to see him, Raskolnikov transforms. And I truly enjoyed that it was love that was the catalyst for this change. Now, one could read that and say, love doesn't transform a criminal mind, which would be true.

But perhaps another way to look at it could be that, it wasn't so much that her love transformed him (that would be a terrible feeding dynamic), it was the idea or principle of love, caring for someone else more than you would for yourself, wanting the best for them, focusing on what one can give as opposed to what the world can give to me. This is what triggered the transformation of one man into another, and I truly liked that even though this is where the book ends, it's not really a happy ending at all.

Reading the story, and perhaps contrasting the good/Sofya/love with the Evil/Raskolnikov/self service. It's a rather beautiful imagery that Raskolnikov's destiny, even before going to prison, because of his self centeredness was always captive, to his mind and his drives, to his own criminality. And Sofya, even if following a prisoner and committing to him in Siberia without any assurances, was always free, she made the best of awful situations, but she always made the free choice.

Another really interesting part of the book's end was when, after trying several times through the story to unsuccessfully justify his behavior in one way or another, he reaches a point that could be read as just someone being beyond redemption, where he simply admits to himself that he feels better than everyone else on earth, that the only thing wrong with this situation was that he got caught (classic criminal mind). So that small part serves to illustrate that principle, which has a lot of value. (It's that same victim mentality stage I mentioned right above.)

But it could at the same time represent, touching rock bottom and finally being brutally honest with oneself, something that needs to happen before one can actually change anything, the longer one avoids this truth the longer one will remain the same. And in the context of the criminal mind aspects we all carry within, and which we may even defend dearly, it's only this honesty that can create the opportunity for change.

Which leads me to how the book concludes:

...He did not know that the new life would not be given him for nothing, that he would have to pay dearly for it, that it would cost him great striving, great suffering.

But that is the beginning of a new story—the story of the gradual renewal of a man, the story of his gradual regeneration, of his passing from one world into another, of his initiation into a new unknown life. That might be the subject of a new story, but our present story is ended.

After being overwhelmed by love, Raskolnikov realizes he's a new man, or rather that he has the opportunity to be a new man, but he still has 7 years of prison life in siberia ahead of him. Note the suffering, and payment required, the book concludes as it were with the death of Raskolnikov's old self and the rebirth of his new one, not into bliss, but into an opportunity for a suffering that will bring freedom. The suffering that comes from caring about someone else, from trusting someone else, from humility and vulnerability.

The suffering of change, the suffering of the work perhaps, the suffering of allowing parts of ourselves die because if they don't we won't make it to the other side. And even if one doesn't want to be as dramatic, the mere act of striving for something implies a form of suffering.

The book ends with a question, rather than a statement, what will Raskolnikov do? Which I think in terms of the Work, the material on Criminal Minds, even some of the romantic novel readings, is what it comes down to for all of us every day.

I hope I did the book justice, and I hope it wasn't as long a post as the book was to read :)

Very recommended read for anyone who hasn't had the opportunity to do so. And those who have, feel free to correct me or add anything you feel I might have missed.

Thank you for reading.
 
The Idiot has been on my list for like 4 years now. I took a little break from the romance novels (which I've enjoyed far more than I expected to!) but plan to return to those shortly - and then, after a series or two, Dostoyevsky here I come!

Crime and Punishment, btw, is easily one of the best novels I've ever read.
 
Crime and Punishment, btw, is easily one of the best novels I've ever read.

It's an amazing piece of work. As a written exercise, via narrative, it takes you on a wonderful trip: showing you how, through a tale, and as a reader, your empathy can be so swayed by the whims of circumstance. I see it more as a psychological exercise than a novel. He captures a type of squalid desperation in his work and how he plumbs the psychological depths makes him pretty unique. I can't think of another writer who comes close to a pure distillation of the human experience.
 
The first couple of works I read by Dostoyevsky were “The Gambler” and “A Most Unfortunate Event”. I then read “Crime and Punishment”.

The amazing thing for me, and the thing I liked most about those books, was how realistic the characters were, and the scenarios they ended up in.

But I’ve tried to read “The Brothers Karamazov” three times and I feel differently about it. I think I’ve gotten about a quarter of the way through it. The characters feel more like caricatures to me than fleshed out people (the father particularly), and the scenarios are farcical, seemingly irrelevant, and just wear on me to the point where I can’t be bothered to continue reading.

I have “The Idiot” and I’ve read the first few pages before. I’ll probably give it a try one day.
 
I have both Crime and Punishment and Brothers Karamazov on my shelf waiting to be read. I’ve wanted to read Dostoyevsky forever. I decided to start with something small, so I read White Nights, which was easily the best novel I’ve read in decades. I absolutely fell in love with it! I found a Karamazov audio book on YouTube, but found that being read to by a calm woman’s voice works better than Ambien! My main hurdle is all those Russian names. But I’m absolutely committed to reading Crime and Punishment before summer begins.
 
I read Crime and Punishment about 20 years ago. Although the brilliance of the text was apparent right away, I found it pretty dense and heavy, and made progress slowly; reading it was hard work. I almost gave up, but then reckoned that if the book is viewed as an important piece of world literature and held in such high regard, I should finish it. (My mind was probably too immature back then.)

So, I decided to read 10 pages per day and even if it would take a while, I'd complete the book eventually. I continued grinding on, and at some point the book began to read itself, and kept me captivated. It ended up being very worth the effort: a challenging and thought-provoking piece of work.

I saw that it had been discussed in the forum along the lines of the criminal mind, which is where my mind went as I read through through the pages, I will expand on that a little on the spoiler section.

There is a mention of Crime and Punishment in Harvey Cleckley's "The Caricature of Love" (pp. 209-210), where he quotes Thomas Mann stating that Dostoyevsky "showed major psychiatric disorder and also very serious inner criminal tendencies", and how "Mann regards Dostoyevsky as great not despite disease but chiefly because of it and through it".

Besides the book being excellent due to Dostoyevsky's literary abilities and his "criminal mind", I wonder if there was also an element
of channeling involved, as was discussed in the Romance novels -thread:

I think that there is a certain amount of "channeling" going on with these books, even if the authors are not always masters of syntax and grammar.
 
So, I decided to read 10 pages per day and even if it would take a while, I'd complete the book eventually. I continued grinding on, and at some point the book began to read itself, and kept me captivated. It ended up being very worth the effort: a challenging and thought-provoking piece of work.
This is an approach I can appreciate. I figure if I can read Moby Dick (the whale doesn’t appear until page 722!) I can push through anything! Of course, I just got Harrison’s new book, so I’m back burnering everything else!😁
 
There is a mention of Crime and Punishment in Harvey Cleckley's "The Caricature of Love" (pp. 209-210), where he quotes Thomas Mann stating that Dostoyevsky "showed major psychiatric disorder and also very serious inner criminal tendencies", and how "Mann regards Dostoyevsky as great not despite disease but chiefly because of it and through it".

Besides the book being excellent due to Dostoyevsky's literary abilities and his "criminal mind", I wonder if there was also an element
of channeling involved, as was discussed in the Romance novels -thread:
That's very interesting actually, hard to tell, I am not much familiar with Dostoyevsky as a person, but I would not be surprised if his ability to write realistic scenarios of criminal behavior, with psychological depth, were a projection of who he was internally.
 
That's very interesting actually, hard to tell, I am not much familiar with Dostoyevsky as a person, but I would not be surprised if his ability to write realistic scenarios of criminal behavior, with psychological depth, were a projection of who he was internally.

A couple of interesting things stand out to me reading this short bio about him. One is that he had a sometime addiction to gambling, which at times put him in serious financial straits. And the second is his participation in socialist and even revolutionary circles, for which he was once almost executed and spent years in prison for. The thing is, after some time, he came to rebuke the ideological thinking of revolution in his book known alternately as The Devils/Demons/The Possessed (another one of his greats that is on the list to read!). Probably one of the reasons Jordan Peterson likes him so much.

According to the bio, and with the exception of the above two features, Dostoyevsky was generally considered to be a man of good character, and a faithful Orthodox Christian. And was welcomed into a number of prestigious literary and benevolent organizations. My take on him is that he was, because of his deep insighfullness of human nature and social awareness, able to extrapolate thought processes from his own weaknesses and observations he had made of those people he came to know well - and create fully drawn characters and stories from them.

He also suffered deeply from poor health, the deaths of close family members and quite often living in debt, and hand to mouth. That had to have had some effect on him too as he struggled to write and make a living from it. His difficulties may have even in some way contributed to his writing and helped drive him to give expression to his own difficult 'human condition'.

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That's very interesting actually, hard to tell, I am not much familiar with Dostoyevsky as a person, but I would not be surprised if his ability to write realistic scenarios of criminal behavior, with psychological depth, were a projection of who he was internally.

According to the bio, and with the exception of the above two features, Dostoyevsky was generally considered to be a man of good character, and a faithful Orthodox Christian. And was welcomed into a number of prestigious literary and benevolent organizations.

There is a mention of Crime and Punishment in Harvey Cleckley's "The Caricature of Love" (pp. 209-210), where he quotes Thomas Mann stating that Dostoyevsky "showed major psychiatric disorder and also very serious inner criminal tendencies", and how "Mann regards Dostoyevsky as great not despite disease but chiefly because of it and through it".

I have to correct the mistake I made in the above text, apologies for this! :-[

It was in fact Cleckley who wrote that "Dostoyevsky showed major psychiatric disorder and also very serious inner criminal tendencies", and "Mann regards Dostoyevsky as great not despite disease but chiefly because of it and through it", not Thomas Mann.

It was Cleckley's own interpretation of Mann's introduction to "The Short Novels of Dostoyevsky", and if he only used that to "analyze" Dostoyevsky having a psychiatric disorder and criminal tendencies, perhaps he went a bit overboard.

I asked Grok about it:

Question:
In Thomas Mann's introduction to "The Short Novels of Dostoevsky", does he paint Dostoyevsky in negative light, for example having any major psychiatric disorder or inner criminal tendencies?

Grok's answer:
In Thomas Mann's introduction to The Short Novels of Dostoevsky (published in 1945 by Dial Press), he does not explicitly paint Dostoevsky in a negative light by diagnosing him with a major psychiatric disorder or accusing him of harboring inner criminal tendencies. Instead, Mann approaches Dostoevsky with a mixture of admiration, reverence, and nuanced critique, focusing on the psychological depth and spiritual complexity of his work.

Mann does, however, explore Dostoevsky's intense and tumultuous inner world, which he sees as central to his genius. He describes Dostoevsky as a figure marked by "sickness" and "suffering," but this is framed more as a source of artistic strength than a condemnation. For instance, Mann acknowledges Dostoevsky’s epilepsy—a well-documented condition—and ties it to his profound understanding of human extremes, suggesting that his physical and mental struggles enriched his literary output. This isn’t presented as a "major psychiatric disorder" in a clinical sense but rather as part of Dostoevsky’s existential and creative makeup.

Regarding "inner criminal tendencies," Mann doesn’t accuse Dostoevsky of possessing such traits in a literal sense. However, he does delve into Dostoevsky’s fascination with the criminal mind and moral ambiguity, as seen in works like Crime and Punishment and The Brothers Karamazov. Mann interprets this not as evidence of Dostoevsky’s own criminality but as a reflection of his ability to empathize with and explore the darker aspects of humanity. He famously calls Dostoevsky a "genius of the borderline," suggesting a writer who straddles the edge of sanity, morality, and spirituality—yet this is a compliment to his depth rather than a negative judgment.

Mann’s tone is ultimately one of awe, tempered by an awareness of Dostoevsky’s complexities. He contrasts Dostoevsky with figures like Goethe, noting the Russian’s lack of classical harmony and his embrace of chaos, but he doesn’t frame this as a flaw. Instead, he sees Dostoevsky as a prophetic, almost saintly figure whose "holy sickness" (a term Mann uses to link creativity and suffering) elevates his art.

So, while Mann highlights Dostoevsky’s psychological intensity and proximity to extreme states of mind, he doesn’t cast him in a negative light or reduce him to a caricature of mental illness or criminality. His portrayal is sympathetic and celebratory, viewing these traits as integral to Dostoevsky’s literary power.

The book with Mann's introduction can be found here (I haven't read Mann's part yet).
 
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