Cutting out dairy.

[mcb]

You might want to go a lot lower than 100g/d carbs. Otherwise you are likely not to go into lipolysis, and eating fat may not have the effect you want.

You may also eventually find that dairy affects you in ways you hadn't noticed, even if you have no allergies to it. The more problems you eliminate, the easier it becomes to see the ones that remain.

 

[ScarletBegonias]

I was wondering what the extra benefits people felt (physically and mentally) by cutting out dairy from their diets?

Dairy will give me intense headaches and eczema on my hands and face. I am allergic to the casein.

_http://www.foodintol.com/dairy-intolerance

A. Symptoms of Lactose intolerance:

Gastrointestinal symptoms like:
Nausea
Bloated stomach (abdomen)
Diarrhea,
Chronic flatulence
Constipation
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Malabsorption disorders like:
Nutrient deficiency including anaemia, dehydration, bone density loss
Mood swings, depression

B. Symptoms of Casein allergy:

Skin allergy symptoms like itchy skin, eczema
Spontaneous vomiting upon ingestion of milk products
Headache and migraine
Chronic fatigue and lethargy
Leaky Gut - intestinal damage leading to malabsorption disorders
Respiratory problems like coughing, asthma, sinusitis

 

[Seppo Ilmarinen]

You might want to go a lot lower than 100g/d carbs. Otherwise you are likely not to go into lipolysis, and eating fat may not have the effect you want.

You may also eventually find that dairy affects you in ways you hadn't noticed, even if you have no allergies to it. The more problems you eliminate, the easier it becomes to see the ones that remain.

Hi Megan,

Thanks for information. I've been using that 100g/day as a maximum roof limit, i checked my carb consuming and got result for average amount of about 50-60g/day. Now that i read more about lipolysis, i think i'll try to get that ketosis happening to see if there's benefits. Might as well try to cut dairy, i use it too much in my cookings anyway.

 

[mcb]

...Thanks for information. I've been using that 100g/day as a maximum roof limit, i checked my carb consuming and got result for average amount of about 50-60g/day. Now that i read more about lipolysis, i think i'll try to get that ketosis happening to see if there's benefits. Might as well try to cut dairy, i use it too much in my cookings anyway.

Yes, you have a better chance of switching over at that level of carb intake, and you might go lower yet. I won't repeat what has been said in the "Life Without Bread" topic here, but once you are stable at a low carb intake level and have gone perhaps a couple of months without dairy, you could reintroduce it to see what happens (assuming you are sure you aren't allergic to it). I found that it tends to muck up my GI tract. Not in an acutely harmful way, but it doesn't digest all that well and I suspect that it causes undesirable changes in gut bacteria and/or yeast.

I will still eat some cheese (as a fat source) when traveling, if I don't have anything better to eat, but then I have to clean out (and air out) for weeks after I return home. This is not what I would call "optimal." This issue was not apparent before I changed my diet and eliminated grains. There are other potential issues as well that you should be able to find by searching the forum.

 

[Oxajil]

I will still eat some cheese (as a fat source) when traveling, if I don't have anything better to eat, but then I have to clean out (and air out) for weeks after I return home. This is not what I would call "optimal." This issue was not apparent before I changed my diet and eliminated grains. There are other potential issues as well that you should be able to find by searching the forum.

For traveling, you could think about cooking and salting some cracklings (from pork fat) and then you could put them in a stainless steel lunchbox. And maybe save the lunchbox in a coolbox or coolbag.

 

[melatonin]

Only around 7 days in and im noticing that im more tired during the day, but sleeping far better at night. Dreams are far more vivid.
Also been to the big supermarkets and seen theres near enough no dedicated gluten/dairy-free food, which is slightly crap.

Refox - Cheerz for the link. I agree, i think i will start purging alot of emotion. Especially as (As far as im aware) opiates act as a barrier between emotion and the concious.
Also - im not great at networking atm, i find my abandoment issues make me either A) Conformist or B) Argumentative. I find it hard being genuine and i hate myself for it. Thats why i stayed away from this forum for so long, even though i learnt alot from feedback.

 

[melatonin]

Yesterday was unbearable. I actually had to eat some toast/rice pudding (binge) at night just so i could see that what i was feeling was the withdrawal. So it was... near enough immediatley i felt ok. I felt like i was dying, totally unbearable both physically and physcologically.
Ive gone cold turkey on Alchol, Fags and caffiene (All of which i had heavy addictions too) in the past, and i can confidently say that without a doubt this is the worst by a mile. Possibly because the milk has been a lifetime thing since birth and the wheat not much shorter.

 

[Franco]

Yesterday was unbearable. I actually had to eat some toast/rice pudding (binge) at night just so i could see that what i was feeling was the withdrawal. So it was... near enough immediatley i felt ok. I felt like i was dying, totally unbearable both physically and physcologically.
Ive gone cold turkey on Alchol, Fags and caffiene (All of which i had heavy addictions too) in the past, and i can confidently say that without a doubt this is the worst by a mile. Possibly because the milk has been a lifetime thing since birth and the wheat not much shorter.

Hi Melatonin,

I can't work out from your first post what you gave up and replaced?

Did you give up milk and start eating more meat, maybe if you can give more detail to your diet in the last 6 months and what you changed the last few weeks.

I too drank a lot of milk before I gave it up a few years ago and all kinds of other carbs/sugar.

Also how old are you and have you read any of the books in the recommended books section on diet?

 

[melatonin]

Yesterday was unbearable. I actually had to eat some toast/rice pudding (binge) at night just so i could see that what i was feeling was the withdrawal. So it was... near enough immediatley i felt ok. I felt like i was dying, totally unbearable both physically and physcologically.
Ive gone cold turkey on Alchol, Fags and caffiene (All of which i had heavy addictions too) in the past, and i can confidently say that without a doubt this is the worst by a mile. Possibly because the milk has been a lifetime thing since birth and the wheat not much shorter.

Hi Melatonin,

I can't work out from your first post what you gave up and replaced?

Did you give up milk and start eating more meat, maybe if you can give more detail to your diet in the last 6 months and what you changed the last few weeks.

I too drank a lot of milk before I gave it up a few years ago and all kinds of other carbs/sugar.

Also how old are you and have you read any of the books in the recommended books section on diet?

Hi Franco,

Well, i had already ditched wheat for a few months, but im realising kicking dairy at the same time is very hard. Probably because i increased my dairy intake very greatly to compensate when i first kicked the gluten/wheat. I seem to be drawn to at least 1 at any one time.

My whole life ive been drawn to these two staple foods. I used to eat loafs of bread on their own thinking it was healthy. And i assumed drinking milkshakes was a healthy alternative when my friends were eating chocolate and sweets.


Ive replaced dairy milk with diff milks im currently trying - rice and coconut so far, which are very tasty. Eventually i plan on just using it in decaff coffee or decaff tea, but at the moment im drinking it out of a glass.
Nope, not eating meat as yet.
I also ate alot of cottage cheese, and that wont be replaced. Im replacing the yoghurt with more fruit in my diet.

Im 37 years old. Havent had a chance to read the books recommended yet, but i will start when i get the time.

 

[melatonin]

I was wondering what the extra benefits people felt (physically and mentally) by cutting out dairy from their diets?

Dairy will give me intense headaches and eczema on my hands and face. I am allergic to the casein.

_http://www.foodintol.com/dairy-intolerance

A. Symptoms of Lactose intolerance:

Gastrointestinal symptoms like:
Nausea
Bloated stomach (abdomen)
Diarrhea,
Chronic flatulence
Constipation
Irritable Bowel Syndrome
Malabsorption disorders like:
Nutrient deficiency including anaemia, dehydration, bone density loss
Mood swings, depression

B. Symptoms of Casein allergy:

Skin allergy symptoms like itchy skin, eczema
Spontaneous vomiting upon ingestion of milk products
Headache and migraine
Chronic fatigue and lethargy
Leaky Gut - intestinal damage leading to malabsorption disorders
Respiratory problems like coughing, asthma, sinusitis

Hi Scalet,


Someone i missed your post before.

I guess the best way of finding out how it effects me negatively is seeing how i feel in a month or twos time without ingesting it.
Ive never had skin problems, but ive certainly suffered from sinusitus and fatigue.

 

[mcb]

For traveling, you could think about cooking and salting some cracklings (from pork fat) and then you could put them in a stainless steel lunchbox. And maybe save the lunchbox in a coolbox or coolbag.

That sounds like it could be a good thing for home, but carrying a lunch box and keeping it cool while traveling sounds as though it could be difficult for me to do. I need to "travel light" because of physical issues. A steel lunchbox might also be subject to additional inspection and rifling through of one's things. It might work for others here, though.

 

[loreta]

I was wondering if eating "sometimes" cream is acceptable? I cut myself all dairy.

Another question: I feel that I need to eat some cookies. But I cut 0% all grains. What can I do? Can I eat cookies that not contain flour of any kind? My body ask me of some cookies. The other night I dream that I eat two boxes of cookies.

It is a very big sacrifice, for me also, to have cut carbohydrates. But I persist because I feel so much better.

 

[mcb]

I was wondering if eating "sometimes" cream is acceptable? I cut myself all dairy.

Another question: I feel that I need to eat some cookies. But I cut 0% all grains. What can I do? Can I eat cookies that not contain flour of any kind? My body ask me of some cookies. The other night I dream that I eat two boxes of cookies.

It is a very big sacrifice, for me also, to have cut carbohydrates. But I persist because I feel so much better.

It's your body, and up to you what you do. But it's up to the underlying reality what happens then. If your dairy products there are like the ones here then they just might kill a baby cow that consumed them. But humans might be stronger. At least go a good long time before reintroducing anything you think you just must have.

Sounds like a bit of carb withdrawal. I doubt that cookies are the answer. Just notice if you might have been addicted to what you were eating.

 

[loreta]

Sounds like a bit of carb withdrawal. I doubt that cookies are the answer. Just notice if you might have been addicted to what you were eating.

Absolutely. It is carb withdrawal. I used to eat many, many cookies, I was addicted to cookies. And pastry. Here in Spain pastry is very good. And chocolate. My colon problem (that has stopped for now since I do this diet) was due in fact because of that love of sugar and pastry. I will take care of myself. I wanted to heal completely. I don't like to be sick, in fact I hate to be sick. It is something I don't accept in me and in part because I am afraid, everytime I am sick, that I will die. Some of my medication (homeopathy) is to cure this problem. Some other is to help my colon. And with this diet plus homeopathy I feel so good.

My question of the cream it is because it seems to me that in the thread of "Life without Bread" I read somewhere that fresh cream is acceptable because is fat. I am talking about fresh cream and ecological cream. It is in fact a cream that comes from France, from the brand named VRAI.

Cutting carbs and dairies is a very interesting and rich experience.

Thank you Megan.

 

[Laura]

Melatonin, the only way to get through the withdrawal is to eat meat almost constantly. Bacon, ham, steak, eggs, pork chops, whatever. I survived it by having plenty of sliced ham on hand - and bacon. Once you deal with the withdrawal from carbs and dairy, you can then begin to be more particular about what meats you eat.

Note: there is no point in doing any of this if you aren't going paleo - gluten free and dairy free foods that you buy at health food shops are just junk and they are loaded with carbs.