David Cameron returns to UK as fire and riots grip London

I don't know how the news are looking in Britain, but here in Germany getting somehow different news published about Camerons use and statements of the army, one article says "he likes to use" another one writes the entire opposite of it.

Also another thing is happening, there has been/is a petition (I couldn't find yet): "petition downing street" where many (some thousands it is reported) people voted for: that vandals, who get -social- money support from the state should get cut off from it and Cameron further: should get boot out of their flats. Well, I mean this is insane and looks like a process Lobaczeweski wrote about: ponerogenesis to me. And people get turned against one another.

Also Cameron statement is mind-boggling: "it's the fault of the parents …".
 
Perceval said:
On that point, check out this reader comment, if you can make it all the way through, if not, just check out his last few paragraphs.

:O

Tigersoap said:
Wow that Howard guy is really insane (at least from my point of view) :shock:

I don't think it's just your point of view Tigersoap... that was insane.
 
Wow. He is insane. And racist to boot too! Don't know if it's just me, but there are loads of fancy scentences where I struggle to comprehend what he is trying to convey IMO

Yes Gertrudes, it's very frightening to think that people like us who have knowledge of PTB and awareness of ponergenesis etc, to succumb so easily to it. I think I said before that it's easy to be more objective when it's not happening on your door step! Constant vigilance is required at all times. It's not some far away country that riots are happening in, we are right in the middle of it :O

Also seeing some of the FB comments in some of the anti riot groups, there is SO much racism, calls for the looters to be shot, tortured etc. And yes there is a petition for 'rioters' to have their benefits taken off them and since it's over the 100,000 Mark, parliament have to consider debating the issue.

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429

I don't feel safe discussing any alternative viewpoints with anyone outside of here at the moment...in short I reckon eventually even talking about it would get you the jail! :scared:
 
Paragon said:
Wow. He is insane. And racist to boot too! Don't know if it's just me, but there are loads of fancy scentences where I struggle to comprehend what he is trying to convey IMO

Also seeing some of the FB comments in some of the anti riot groups, there is SO much racism, calls for the looters to be shot, tortured etc. And yes there is a petition for 'rioters' to have their benefits taken off them and since it's over the 100,000 Mark, parliament have to consider debating the issue.

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429

If there is any covert agenda over allowing these riots to continue, I think the idea of provoking 'class' and racial division must be high on the list.
 
Perceval said:
Paragon said:
Wow. He is insane. And racist to boot too! Don't know if it's just me, but there are loads of fancy scentences where I struggle to comprehend what he is trying to convey IMO

Also seeing some of the FB comments in some of the anti riot groups, there is SO much racism, calls for the looters to be shot, tortured etc. And yes there is a petition for 'rioters' to have their benefits taken off them and since it's over the 100,000 Mark, parliament have to consider debating the issue.

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429
If there is any covert agenda over allowing these riots to continue, I think the idea of provoking 'class' and racial division must be high on the list.

The race topic has definitely been a big issue in the UK media. On BBC today I listened to a program about the riots, where people call in from all over the world, and the topic was race and the extent of race issue being the cause. So, among other issues, the race divide is being pushed quite forcefully.
 
So the House of Commons has been debating the recent riots. Guess what? So far they’ve pondered the revocation of the human rights act, powers to close down Twitter, censorship on the internet and even that the killing of Ian Tomlinson (that sparked the protests) may have been a good idea.

Obviously therefore, any suggestion that there might be a ‘problem-reaction-solution thing going on here in terms of an opportunity for further population control, is completely spurious…

The only real problem I foresee is finding the space for a 100% increase in the already Orwellian number of surveillance cameras on British streets.

By the way, broadcasters have apparently been told to refer to the riots as “English” rather than “UK” to avoid provoking the ire of Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish armchair patriots. Sure, the riots have been in England, but rest assured that any ‘security measures’ implemented as a result of the actions of those unruly English thugs, will be enjoyed by all of her majesty’s subjects.
 
Windmill knight said:
Something else that comes to mind is that this is similar to the recent riots in Vancouver in that they were completely out of proportion and hard to explain. In that case it was even dumber as the cause was a hockey game! But this one is way more violent and destructive. I mean, they burned entire buildings down, not to mention vehicles and buses! And their targets were things that just happened to be in their way! It is as if something is in the air...

Yes the Vancouver riot was on my mind as well when I read about the London riots. Although the London riot was more destructive, the Vancouver one was interesting because most of the people who were rioting were not rioting for any particular reason other than to be "cool". They were basically rioting and posing for pictures to post on FB! Which shows how our society is on the path to complete devolution.


RedFox said:
Given what is happening with stock markets across the world, I can't help but wonder if this isn't a side effect of HARRP? They've turned the fear and 'automatic flight/fight response' way up in order to shake things down a bit....the riots could then potentially just be a side effect/distraction.
The way it is spreading is peculiar though. Will wait to see what the final outcome is.

Fwiw, I also think that HARRP or some sort of beaming has been going on recently, and not just for London. I noticed that in the US there were a couple of racially provoked riots that happened around the same time as when the London riot began.

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233066-US-Wisconsin-State-Fair-Melees-Produce-11-Injuries-31-Arrests

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233252-US-Philadelphia-Mayor-Imposes-Curfew-to-Stop-Flash-Mobs

So I agree with you WK, there definitely seems to be something in the air... :/
 
One possibility is that it is a preventive attack to anticipate the public reaction to a soon to be economic collapse. After such violence and the imposition of a bigger oppression/surveillance, the public will be less willing to rebel and to demand reparation from the City. The racial divide and conquer aspect may be related also: "The economy went wrong because of those uncivilised immigrants". The whole maneuver may lift some culpability from the speculators.
 
Time to bug out?

Yes I definitely see this situation being manipulated by the PTB so that the public won't want to cause any 'trouble'. It's deeply ingrained into the general publics mind already IMO.

So you have ever decreasing civil liberties, supported by the majority of the population now because 'rioting' is bad. People can't think for themselves because they are feeding on gluten etc, which makes them more disconnected from their emotions, which in turn accelerates this country, and indeed world, to absolute destruction. I'm probably missing loads of other factors here too, but by god, it's an evil cycle. If you ever wanted proof of an STS dynamic in play on this BBM, then there's yer pot of gold!

Now, more than ever, we must stick to the diet, the work on ourselves and EE to survive this mess. It's only going to contract more, as evil does what evil does and we must do what we do.
 
Just to add,

I too have been feeling something 'bad' in the air. Everyone is just on edge! It's a subtle feeling yet at the same time, it's not.
 
Perceval said:
Paragon said:
Wow. He is insane. And racist to boot too! Don't know if it's just me, but there are loads of fancy scentences where I struggle to comprehend what he is trying to convey IMO

Also seeing some of the FB comments in some of the anti riot groups, there is SO much racism, calls for the looters to be shot, tortured etc. And yes there is a petition for 'rioters' to have their benefits taken off them and since it's over the 100,000 Mark, parliament have to consider debating the issue.

_http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-14474429

If there is any covert agenda over allowing these riots to continue, I think the idea of provoking 'class' and racial division must be high on the list.

Mike Ruppert agrees. I thought he had a rather good take on the riots, actually.

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ZXOOvpxsY&feature=player_embedded

He sums up with the intriguing suggestion that a fast crash of industrial civilization would be preferable to a slow grid-down ... as this is so there will be infrastructure left to rebuild with, I assume he doesn't mean a nuclear war. It's something I'm hearing from a lot of directions actually: step back, withdraw your support from the Beast, do everything you can to hasten its collapse and nothing to impede its fall. That way, the damage it inflicts on Earth in its death throws will be minimized. Accomplished peacefully, there can still be billions of people, and large buildings, and technology ... there simply won't be a cancerous economy built on ever-expanding growth in a finite world.

But then what are the odds (it's Earth, duh) that it will be accomplished peacefully? :/
 
Have just come across this thread.. I too am wondering about what we say or write outside the forum. Then I thought how do we help do the best we can by forever putting our views across wherever and whenever we can – which is what I do. Mostly I am told ‘Well that is just your opinion’ and I leave it at that by saying everything can be corroborated by research. My main aim is to advertise the Sott and Cassiopaea sites to people, or EE.

With the advent of Facebook and similar sites and the fact that it looks likely they will use it to target us and what we try propagate, maybe it is time to practise strategetic enclosure? I do not ‘fear’ per se and even talking verbally to people say in a café can still get you targeted especially if they instigate ‘ratting on your neighbours’.

FWIW: Last night a friend asked me what I thought about the riots – a genuine question. Immediately I was the target, problem, cause according to his friend as he butted in uninvited due to his emotionality and contempt for ethnics in HIS country, shouting at me saying they ‘should all be deported and shot like they would be over here’. Notwithstanding that he was in THiS country and not his country! Usual stuff about Enoch Powell was right. Standing back I could see just what the riots were meant to provoke – this false patriotism – guaranteed to get them all going on their soap boxes throughout the land! The verbal attack was so vicious that I could also see that in no time at all such people may form into vigilante groups throughout the uk without any more provocation, or maybe a little group organising by the BNP. All I could do was bow out of it as quickly as possible when a couple more got involved by politely reminding him that the question was posed directly to me only. By that time two people came to my rescue. Very supportively, a Turkish Cypriot of dark coloured skin, who was sitting 2 seats away from this ethnic charade Said ‘I understand the ramifications, I found out and was disillusioned by a lot of ‘army psychology and lies’ when I was in the BRITISH ARMY.
I wish to post the discussion below for advice as to how you would have answered the obvious question of dealing with things. I found it difficult as we know it is not cut and dry and is not just down to one cause (that which the public see before their eyes, rather than all-important facts that are not of course). I do feel this was a pivotal time/event and things will heat up even faster.

I am sure the below comment would make most of you wish to respond like me. :mad:
Dear Home Secretary Theresa May, I hereby give my consent to curfews, water cannons, rubber bullets, real bullets, tear gas and the army to sort out the rioting and all these little mugs looting on Britain's streets. Please copy and paste to your status if you agree
Yesterday at 10:38 • Like •


• RM likes this.
JT : Bit late... Baton rounds and water cannon have already been authorised
Yesterday at 11:33 • Like
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LA: The protest started as a peaceful one. Sadly agents provocateur got involved and incited the results for their own ends. Not difficult as Duggen was murdered in cold blood by the police. Do we condone this? Many ethnics have been purposely marginalised by the system so not difficult to incite them in a system they know is not there for them. Even more sad is that martial law is what they have been aiming to introduce as they will soon in the US. Worse still is that Martial Law is the start of something far more sinister and unless folks take back their sovereignty history will repeat itself despite the world vowing 'never again'. This is the objective truth of a far bigger game plan. All this can be proven and corroborated - i just gave you some clues. Divide and conquer - create fear - the oldest trick for millenia. Fear makes people seek 'help' from the government not matter what deception the ptb have done to the people - we are of no use to their plans. Please don't back the wrong 'horse' - knowledge protects. x

J B: As far as i know - Duggan had a loaded firearm. carry loaded firearms is one of thoe thin

J B: ‎.. ethical things that have been marginalised - and need addressing. If the police officer felt that he or one of his colleagues was at risk - he was entitled to shoot the man. Liz - please don't back armed thugs in any way shape of form. That way you marginalize yourself.

LA: I would never condone violence of any sort and never have. Violence begets violence as most of us know. This article is very interesting: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233289-Where-The-Rubber-Hits-The-Road and so is this one:

Where The Rubber Hits The Road -- Sott.net
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I don't want to say I told you so, but I did. Ok, so maybe I didn't tell YOU, bu...See more

J B: So you wholeheartedly condemn all the rioters then Liz? Nice emotive and poorly argued article you linked there :)

LA: That is not what I said. The protest began peacefully and then was 'manipulated'. The first article concerning rubber bullets was for info only. Just like these-

L A : You are right when you say I will get marginalised - that goes with the 'job'. So long as we have the current main stream media those who peel the layers of the onion to get to the objective truth will always be marginalised. It is a small price to pay though as the benefits far exceed the alternative.

J B: Liz - do you now condemn the violence of the rioters, looters and thugs that have been on our street in the evening - or are you condoning their violence? It pretty much has to be one or the other, doesn't it?

J B :Liz - you will never change anything from the margins. You just upset people who might sympathise with you.

L A: I already said I condemn violence and that includes mugging, looting etc etc as very anti-social behaviour and never acceptable anywhere. Not the way to go! Nor condone what is planned that the majority cannot see. For example, most people will not understand the following without alot of background research : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,15338.0.html

J B :Good - First things first. I am glad you have condemned the rioters who have been on the streets of looting, damaging properties and setting fire to stuff. Now - How do you propose IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM - we get those thugs off of our streets and remove the fear that they are causing the everyday population of this country?

JB: You are almost right about that message board - most people wouldn't bother reading it because it looks like it is full of para-psychological posturing and mind games.

LA : For some reason previous links I sent you did not get posted or did you receive them? On checking the thread I understand why you had to reiterate. Will try to resend. http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/09/london-riots-investigation-confirms-police-planted-bullet-and-lied-murdered-%E2%80%9Cman-did-not-open-fire%E2%80%9D/ http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/10/police-were-ordered-to-stand-down-as-london-burned/

London Riots Investigation Confirms Police Planted Bullet and Lied, Murdered “Man Did Not Open Fire”
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An independent investigation into the cause of the London riots reveals police p...See more

J B: Yes - I saw all the data from the first link in the mainstream news. It looks like he didn't fire the gun. Do you know whether he pointed it at a police man? Or threatened to point it? Was he carrying it legally? If not - what was he intending to do with the gun? Why did he have a loaded gun in the first place? I don't much like the mainstream media - but the sites you are quoting so far - use the same emotive reporting techniques to get their editorial viewpoint across as the mainstream. They are just as bad.

J B: The second article -- the police have orders not to aggravate riot like situations if they can't contain it. So what is new about that? It has been public policy for years - and has generally been used by protesters and rioters to their benefit for years. Right back to the days I was taking part in student protests 30-odd years ago.

JB: So you still haven't said what is your preferred solution for getting the rioters, looters and thugs off of the street? I guess from that second article you linked, you agree with Jill they should fetch in the army so the police have enough strength to arrest everyone?

L A :http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/10/martial-law-corporate-media-hints-at-military-plans-to-take-on-the-american-people-during-domestic-civil-unrest/ The government should address the genuine grievances first and this is not just a racial/ethnic problem but across society. Also the 300+ deaths in police custody of which not one has come tolightin the courts over the last few years! But we know that none of this will be done. To get change you need to make change therefore replace the corrupt role models that our youth have everywhere today. Plus hollywood and recreational gadgets have all knowingly primed them for this.
Martial Law: Corporate Media Hints At Military Plans To Take On The American People During Domestic.
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As the United Kingdom continues to riot many have wondered how the United States...See more

JB: So L - what is your solution to the immediate problem we have in England at the moment?

LA: Unfortunately both the UK and US decide our money should be spent on furthering the interests of mega corporations and the elite in their lust for power and more money. Should this have been invested in the people instead of also bailiing out the greedy financial institutions then people would have more to help them at home. Instead theywill most probably reintroduce conscription and use them as cannon fodder in the futherance of their aims. Every one of us has been, will be affected ie do you think us babyboomers will ever see our pensions - of course not. WFIW I think it went to the 'war on terrorism'. :-)

J B: I agree with quite a lot of what you say - but back to the question in hand - how do YOU think the government should deal with the thugs and rioters who have been causing havoc on out streets these last few nights?

J B: You claim to be a thinking person - so what are your thoughts on how to handle the immediate issue?

J B:Or are you being a politician and don't have a straigh6t answer?

LA: Police say they will catch them from video and networks. So they will round them up and go through the courts. So those that were involved obviously should not be above the law. How they get 'handled' after that is another thing. But then hurting innocent people or burning their houses etc is far from acceptable anywhere.

JB: Indeed. I must admit, were I a business owner in an affected area, I would have been tempted to stand just inside the door wearing a helmet, leathers and carrying a big stick.

LA :With the world in crisis and shortages of most things on the way this can only escalate. However the alternative is also very scary too.
 
Like HappyLiza I’d like to post a couple of exchanges I had on facebook on Monday night/Tuesday morning when the rioting had got to extreme levels in London. At the time I thought Police did the right thing by standing back but after reading all the commentary that followed the events it appears everybody else doesn’t think so.
I particularly like this article _http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=25975 as it points out the irony in David Camerons speech about looters being sick. Technically, the high end of society are nothing but common thieves but with fancy accents and fancy clothes.
So these debates were happening in real-time, as the riots were going on – late at night. Let us see what is going on in some people’s mind as this happens. I am M.

First Debate:

A: f*** human rights, water cannon/rubber bullets/tear gas these morons arses.
As: dont forget attack dogs :)
P: hear hear.
M: They can't use water cannons apparently because the crowd moves way to quick to be targeted... crazy stuff! I think the police are doing it right by not being violent... violence would only inflame the whole thing even more...
A: should see what they do in eastern europe, they go to town on rioters-they dont take shit from anyone!
M: lol what would you do anuj with riots going up everywhere randomly, they can't be everywhere at once, the police that is!! Stupid ppl are destroying there own highstreets.. Hahaha, Crazy!
M: they are saying, liverpool, birmingham and manchester also have looters running around... this is like a movie, I can't go to bed, need to know what is going on... lol
A: doing something is better than nothing. look at twitter and BBMs, said on the news that locations are being put up where there are no cops, so thats where they're going.
M: Don't worry anuj, David Cameron is enroute, he'll sort this s*** out!!
A: he won't do s****. why the hell are people rioting-its not like the guy who got shot was MLK? what ''family man'' you ever see walk round with a gun in his pocket?
M: Well I dont think there is anything anyone can do, this thing has to play itself out. If the police get violent then the city will turn into like a warzone which would be worse...
A: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXcI-NL3Tro this is hilarious-taking our taxes back!...stupid girl
M: I hope this doesnt affect the football this weekend!!

Second Debate:

N: ughhhh sooooooooo angry! get the army boys in and shoot all these motherf****rs for F**** SAKE!! borrow my cheese knife if you must!! pathetic little terrorists in our own country who are clearly uneducated, on benefits, knocked up, chavved up theiving little shits - who needs them!?!?
R: Fair.
A: Blame the govt for not providing education, and now higher fees , more will be like that.
N: free healthcare, free education, free money... it's all there on a plate and they turn out like this?!
J: Racist...
A: Crap healthcare, no free education, u have to pay 9 grand now. I had to wait 6 month for an operation haha . What u saying? ;)
N: yes free education till 18 actually bar grammar and private schools! not like we can expect the govt to pay for uni as well! as for crap healthcare - if one wants better healthcare they are welcome to pay for it too...
J: Agreed
A: Tell tell that to the GP :@ as if he's paying for it lol
A: sure Scottish unis are free
N: he does actually, a doctor/GP falls into a higher tax bracket because of their income and therefore pay more taxes than most people...
N: scotland - we're not associated with them.
A: govt living on people's money, invading other countries
N: embarassing comment, totally unnecessary.
A: u gotta look at the people's back ground nozza, not all people are like you, well brought up and looked after ;)
A: They should inforce shariah law , and cut looters hands :P
N: you don't have to be brought up well and looked after to know how to behave in society or what is morally right and wrong. no need for shariah law thanks, think the british law still has some remorse for civilised ways of treating people, the appropiate ways. beheading using a guillotine, hanging and chopping off hands are all past times - no need for that shit here.
M: I saw a comment on the BBC website that I think explains this whole situation perfectly, in my opinion; "You create a society where vastly overpaid footballers and models can flaunt their wealth and behave in any manner they see fit, and are still treated as near gods by the media. You lead our youth to expect instant fame and wealth, and instead they get unemployment, poverty, and no future. And now you act surprised when they revolt."
N: M i do agree with most parts of that comment but how demented would you have to be to think fame and wealth comes so easily... hence people like us at the age of 18 wanted to go to uni.
A: This is why there is low crime rates in Saudi , very effective, but ur not forced to be beheaded or chopp some body parts of, the victim decides wether to forgive or not. but the media makes it look bad.
A: so it's fair, here they kill some one , spend 20 years in jail and they live again it's not fair, cuz the victim is dead and their family can't bring them back
A: yes u do have to be well brought up at least with the basis, people react depending on their circumstances, as they say u can only feel how they are living if u experience it.
 
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