Have just come across this thread.. I too am wondering about what we say or write outside the forum. Then I thought how do we help do the best we can by forever putting our views across wherever and whenever we can – which is what I do. Mostly I am told ‘Well that is just your opinion’ and I leave it at that by saying everything can be corroborated by research. My main aim is to advertise the Sott and Cassiopaea sites to people, or EE.
With the advent of Facebook and similar sites and the fact that it looks likely they will use it to target us and what we try propagate, maybe it is time to practise strategetic enclosure? I do not ‘fear’ per se and even talking verbally to people say in a café can still get you targeted especially if they instigate ‘ratting on your neighbours’.
FWIW: Last night a friend asked me what I thought about the riots – a genuine question. Immediately I was the target, problem, cause according to his friend as he butted in uninvited due to his emotionality and contempt for ethnics in HIS country, shouting at me saying they ‘should all be deported and shot like they would be over here’. Notwithstanding that he was in THiS country and not his country! Usual stuff about Enoch Powell was right. Standing back I could see just what the riots were meant to provoke – this false patriotism – guaranteed to get them all going on their soap boxes throughout the land! The verbal attack was so vicious that I could also see that in no time at all such people may form into vigilante groups throughout the uk without any more provocation, or maybe a little group organising by the BNP. All I could do was bow out of it as quickly as possible when a couple more got involved by politely reminding him that the question was posed directly to me only. By that time two people came to my rescue. Very supportively, a Turkish Cypriot of dark coloured skin, who was sitting 2 seats away from this ethnic charade Said ‘I understand the ramifications, I found out and was disillusioned by a lot of ‘army psychology and lies’ when I was in the BRITISH ARMY.
I wish to post the discussion below for advice as to how you would have answered the obvious question of dealing with things. I found it difficult as we know it is not cut and dry and is not just down to one cause (that which the public see before their eyes, rather than all-important facts that are not of course). I do feel this was a pivotal time/event and things will heat up even faster.
I am sure the below comment would make most of you wish to respond like me.
Dear Home Secretary Theresa May, I hereby give my consent to curfews, water cannons, rubber bullets, real bullets, tear gas and the army to sort out the rioting and all these little mugs looting on Britain's streets. Please copy and paste to your status if you agree
Yesterday at 10:38 • Like •
•
• RM likes this.
JT : Bit late... Baton rounds and water cannon have already been authorised
Yesterday at 11:33 • Like
o
LA: The protest started as a peaceful one. Sadly agents provocateur got involved and incited the results for their own ends. Not difficult as Duggen was murdered in cold blood by the police. Do we condone this? Many ethnics have been purposely marginalised by the system so not difficult to incite them in a system they know is not there for them. Even more sad is that martial law is what they have been aiming to introduce as they will soon in the US. Worse still is that Martial Law is the start of something far more sinister and unless folks take back their sovereignty history will repeat itself despite the world vowing 'never again'. This is the objective truth of a far bigger game plan. All this can be proven and corroborated - i just gave you some clues. Divide and conquer - create fear - the oldest trick for millenia. Fear makes people seek 'help' from the government not matter what deception the ptb have done to the people - we are of no use to their plans. Please don't back the wrong 'horse' - knowledge protects. x
J B: As far as i know - Duggan had a loaded firearm. carry loaded firearms is one of thoe thin
J B: .. ethical things that have been marginalised - and need addressing. If the police officer felt that he or one of his colleagues was at risk - he was entitled to shoot the man. Liz - please don't back armed thugs in any way shape of form. That way you marginalize yourself.
LA: I would never condone violence of any sort and never have. Violence begets violence as most of us know. This article is very interesting: http://www.sott.net/articles/show/233289-Where-The-Rubber-Hits-The-Road and so is this one:
Where The Rubber Hits The Road -- Sott.net
www.sott.net
I don't want to say I told you so, but I did. Ok, so maybe I didn't tell YOU, bu...See more
J B: So you wholeheartedly condemn all the rioters then Liz? Nice emotive and poorly argued article you linked there :)
LA: That is not what I said. The protest began peacefully and then was 'manipulated'. The first article concerning rubber bullets was for info only. Just like these-
L A : You are right when you say I will get marginalised - that goes with the 'job'. So long as we have the current main stream media those who peel the layers of the onion to get to the objective truth will always be marginalised. It is a small price to pay though as the benefits far exceed the alternative.
J B: Liz - do you now condemn the violence of the rioters, looters and thugs that have been on our street in the evening - or are you condoning their violence? It pretty much has to be one or the other, doesn't it?
J B :Liz - you will never change anything from the margins. You just upset people who might sympathise with you.
L A: I already said I condemn violence and that includes mugging, looting etc etc as very anti-social behaviour and never acceptable anywhere. Not the way to go! Nor condone what is planned that the majority cannot see. For example, most people will not understand the following without alot of background research : http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,15338.0.html
J B :Good - First things first. I am glad you have condemned the rioters who have been on the streets of looting, damaging properties and setting fire to stuff. Now - How do you propose IN THE IMMEDIATE TERM - we get those thugs off of our streets and remove the fear that they are causing the everyday population of this country?
JB: You are almost right about that message board - most people wouldn't bother reading it because it looks like it is full of para-psychological posturing and mind games.
LA : For some reason previous links I sent you did not get posted or did you receive them? On checking the thread I understand why you had to reiterate. Will try to resend. http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/09/london-riots-investigation-confirms-police-planted-bullet-and-lied-murdered-%E2%80%9Cman-did-not-open-fire%E2%80%9D/ http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/10/police-were-ordered-to-stand-down-as-london-burned/
London Riots Investigation Confirms Police Planted Bullet and Lied, Murdered “Man Did Not Open Fire”
theintelhub.com
An independent investigation into the cause of the London riots reveals police p...See more
J B: Yes - I saw all the data from the first link in the mainstream news. It looks like he didn't fire the gun. Do you know whether he pointed it at a police man? Or threatened to point it? Was he carrying it legally? If not - what was he intending to do with the gun? Why did he have a loaded gun in the first place? I don't much like the mainstream media - but the sites you are quoting so far - use the same emotive reporting techniques to get their editorial viewpoint across as the mainstream. They are just as bad.
J B: The second article -- the police have orders not to aggravate riot like situations if they can't contain it. So what is new about that? It has been public policy for years - and has generally been used by protesters and rioters to their benefit for years. Right back to the days I was taking part in student protests 30-odd years ago.
JB: So you still haven't said what is your preferred solution for getting the rioters, looters and thugs off of the street? I guess from that second article you linked, you agree with Jill they should fetch in the army so the police have enough strength to arrest everyone?
L A :http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/10/martial-law-corporate-media-hints-at-military-plans-to-take-on-the-american-people-during-domestic-civil-unrest/ The government should address the genuine grievances first and this is not just a racial/ethnic problem but across society. Also the 300+ deaths in police custody of which not one has come tolightin the courts over the last few years! But we know that none of this will be done. To get change you need to make change therefore replace the corrupt role models that our youth have everywhere today. Plus hollywood and recreational gadgets have all knowingly primed them for this.
Martial Law: Corporate Media Hints At Military Plans To Take On The American People During Domestic.
theintelhub.com
As the United Kingdom continues to riot many have wondered how the United States...See more
JB: So L - what is your solution to the immediate problem we have in England at the moment?
LA: Unfortunately both the UK and US decide our money should be spent on furthering the interests of mega corporations and the elite in their lust for power and more money. Should this have been invested in the people instead of also bailiing out the greedy financial institutions then people would have more to help them at home. Instead theywill most probably reintroduce conscription and use them as cannon fodder in the futherance of their aims. Every one of us has been, will be affected ie do you think us babyboomers will ever see our pensions - of course not. WFIW I think it went to the 'war on terrorism'.
J B: I agree with quite a lot of what you say - but back to the question in hand - how do YOU think the government should deal with the thugs and rioters who have been causing havoc on out streets these last few nights?
J B: You claim to be a thinking person - so what are your thoughts on how to handle the immediate issue?
J B:Or are you being a politician and don't have a straigh6t answer?
LA: Police say they will catch them from video and networks. So they will round them up and go through the courts. So those that were involved obviously should not be above the law. How they get 'handled' after that is another thing. But then hurting innocent people or burning their houses etc is far from acceptable anywhere.
JB: Indeed. I must admit, were I a business owner in an affected area, I would have been tempted to stand just inside the door wearing a helmet, leathers and carrying a big stick.
LA :With the world in crisis and shortages of most things on the way this can only escalate. However the alternative is also very scary too.