EmeraldR
The Living Force
addiction and substance abuse come to mind here - possibly...
David Wilcock's Death
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I agree with that. Seems to me Wilcock was probably under the influence of some higher dark influences too, which could easily destabilize his connection with others and reality. That may have been enough to have done him in.
I’d go as far as suggesting that he died along with the broader New Age COINTEL program that he helped create. And if people read his history, that program looked to be fundamentally about distracting from and creating a discrediting ‘body’ meant to derail attention from channeled material, and even more explicitly drawing attention away from progression of The Law of One from Ra to the C’s. He accomplished this by being repeatedly exposed as a liar, a conman, and being horrendously bad at making predictions. He had barely any credibility. Of course he had a large die-hard fan base that always believed, but outside that, his credibility had been shot. He was one of the most notable figures to turn people off from ‘channeled material’ and similar. But not just that. He was a significant vector in keeping people from finding something new in channeled material, and that is the work done here - an effort to understand the nature of reality, grow our being, and the possibility of creating a new world.
The program ran its course, pretty much did its job, and now no one cares. So it kind of makes sense that he would die along with it. Perhaps his being was to one extent or another tied into some New Age egregore or pendulum, and when it lost its life force, so did he. He became merely a dream of the past, so to speak.
What is also interesting is that the current trends of UFO/UAP research is largely what has filled in the gap with alternative audiences since the New Age has fallen out of favor. It wouldn’t surprise me if Wilcock did in fact commit suicide and this was his last attempt at being somehow relevant.
From this post:
Hmm.. Ivermectin ruins ones digestive system? Don't think so.
Penny Kelly had a interesting take on this at 21:30 in the video. She says he may have been listening to a lower level spirit being or maybe he interpreted what was said wrong. The message may have been "bath in your innate self" but because of lack of knowledge in the language of symbolism this was interpreted wrong. She explained this well, better then I can. Sounds reasonable.
Kerry Cassidy is on the war path with the people on the Beyond Mystic video, I believe this is the video she mentions here. I've been looking at comments surrounding Wilcocks death and he had a lot of followers it seems. They aren't buying the mental illness explanation.
Cassidy is still in la-la-land, I see. Wilcock is not around to 'defend himself from being called crazy' because he blew his brains out... because he was crazy.
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Sybil
Jedi
I was following David Wilcock for years. He was a brilliant mind before the circus started around him. Truth is not black or white. He was mentally unstable, yes. He was narcissistic, yes. He had a giant ego, yes. But what struck me was his state in the last video. A man falling apart, unstable, not coherent, his eyes not symmetrical anymore. His whole skull looked deformed.
My first thought was a targeted energy weapon. No one can withstand those things. But really, it could be anything else. He might as well have killed himself, or someone shot him. Who would ever know the whole truth? And would it matter? What matters is the big show folding out around the event now. Could he be killed for disobeying? Maybe. Or did he kill himself because he was so desperate? Maybe. The disclosure community is buzzing like a beehive now. This matters only. Energy harvesting is the point. And this will produce a lot of energy to harvest.
Since he is dead, everybody can say anything about him. And those people who would actually know something will stay silent.
My first thought was a targeted energy weapon. No one can withstand those things. But really, it could be anything else. He might as well have killed himself, or someone shot him. Who would ever know the whole truth? And would it matter? What matters is the big show folding out around the event now. Could he be killed for disobeying? Maybe. Or did he kill himself because he was so desperate? Maybe. The disclosure community is buzzing like a beehive now. This matters only. Energy harvesting is the point. And this will produce a lot of energy to harvest.
Since he is dead, everybody can say anything about him. And those people who would actually know something will stay silent.
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halogenlight02
The Force is Strong With This One
Could you elaborate on what you mean by this?
Well it is said that continual lying can cause detrimental affects to a person and he had lied and scammed for many, many years. He also could have started to believe his own lies. Maybe it all caught up with him.
I think it's a good case study of what self-delusion and lies in general will do to your ability to navigate reality over the years. "Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God."
From my experience, stubborn refusal to see reality intensifies the lessons - which means more problems, more suffering. Whether it's a natural chaos caused by delusions clashing with reality or an intentional lesson escalation by the universe (or they are one and the same), it will either be a wake-up call or, if you double down, destroy you.
It's like a self-induced transmarginal inhibition. The C's said that there will be an increase of disintegration and soul smashing.
It's always interesting how some are able to reach a "dark night of the soul" and start, painfully, waking up. Others are completely subsumed by the negative spiral to the bitter end.
I always root for people to "figure it out" because it's just nice to see someone finally open their eyes to their own predicament, take responsibility for their situation, and then watch them turn it around and ultimately thrive. And it always sucks to see someone unable to do this. And it's interesting how forgiving people can be when someone overcomes their past sins. Sometimes comically so - a villain that kills thousands in a movie becomes a good guy, and the audience somehow cheers for them.
So David's ending is doubly sad - one, that he didn't have the humility or some part inside him that could overcome the disintegration. And two, that had he done so, he likely would be forgiven for all the damage he has done over the decades to himself, the truth movement, real channeling, and all who followed him. Granted, he'd make a bunch of new enemies, but also new friends, it's just how things go. Maybe not immediately, maybe not "comically" like in the movies, but he would be forgiven if his turnaround was in fact genuine and real and lasting.
Maybe he didn't think he deserved it? Or maybe he didn't even get far enough along to realize that he did anything wrong, and thought the universe was just against him, who knows what was in his head.
From my experience, stubborn refusal to see reality intensifies the lessons - which means more problems, more suffering. Whether it's a natural chaos caused by delusions clashing with reality or an intentional lesson escalation by the universe (or they are one and the same), it will either be a wake-up call or, if you double down, destroy you.
It's like a self-induced transmarginal inhibition. The C's said that there will be an increase of disintegration and soul smashing.
It's always interesting how some are able to reach a "dark night of the soul" and start, painfully, waking up. Others are completely subsumed by the negative spiral to the bitter end.
I always root for people to "figure it out" because it's just nice to see someone finally open their eyes to their own predicament, take responsibility for their situation, and then watch them turn it around and ultimately thrive. And it always sucks to see someone unable to do this. And it's interesting how forgiving people can be when someone overcomes their past sins. Sometimes comically so - a villain that kills thousands in a movie becomes a good guy, and the audience somehow cheers for them.
So David's ending is doubly sad - one, that he didn't have the humility or some part inside him that could overcome the disintegration. And two, that had he done so, he likely would be forgiven for all the damage he has done over the decades to himself, the truth movement, real channeling, and all who followed him. Granted, he'd make a bunch of new enemies, but also new friends, it's just how things go. Maybe not immediately, maybe not "comically" like in the movies, but he would be forgiven if his turnaround was in fact genuine and real and lasting.
Maybe he didn't think he deserved it? Or maybe he didn't even get far enough along to realize that he did anything wrong, and thought the universe was just against him, who knows what was in his head.
Thank you for reminding me of the possibility of soul smashing. I do consider it now.
I regarded it as an invitation to look up some more about soul smashing in the transcripts, and I found the session of 13 September 2009 to be particularly enlightening. The whole thing is too long to quote but here is a relevant piece. I put the information that stood out to me in bold and yellow:
Now, I try to keep an open mind and think critically.
The C's said on 31 July 1999:
So for me, there is still a possibility that it was not soul smashing, or that it at least was not so black and white.
Therefore, a question to ask to the C's to verify our assumption here on the forum might simply be:
Was David Wilcock's soul smashed?
Some questions I have, assuming it was indeed soul smashing, or if the C's would answer affirmatively:
1. Was David Wilcock being tortured, which (in part) lead to the soul smashing? If yes, by what means?
2. How big was the final smashing event? What was it exactly?
3. Did David choose the "downward development path" (as per 'Darkness over Tibet')?
4. Did he choose it because of traumatic experiences?
5. If yes, were those traumatic experiences residue of a past life or karmatic?
6. If not, were they induced by STS beings?
7. What could he have done to prevent this?
8. Was David a Wanderer (as per the Ra material and the Law of One)?
9. If so, what density was he from? 6th?
10. Was he in fact a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?
I'm operating from AND consciousness here, as in: he could have been both narcissistic as well as the reincarnation of EC.
I'm aware that some of these questions might seem silly or already answered, but I'm just trying to keep an open mind here, and as many of my teachers say: "There are no silly questions."
From my experiential knowledge with watching some of his videos, I can say that I was turned off by them and sceptical but I also don't want to operate from blind spots, assumptions, or bias.
Hence these ponderings.
Thank you.
I regarded it as an invitation to look up some more about soul smashing in the transcripts, and I found the session of 13 September 2009 to be particularly enlightening. The whole thing is too long to quote but here is a relevant piece. I put the information that stood out to me in bold and yellow:
Now, I try to keep an open mind and think critically.
The C's said on 31 July 1999:
So for me, there is still a possibility that it was not soul smashing, or that it at least was not so black and white.
Therefore, a question to ask to the C's to verify our assumption here on the forum might simply be:
Was David Wilcock's soul smashed?
Some questions I have, assuming it was indeed soul smashing, or if the C's would answer affirmatively:
1. Was David Wilcock being tortured, which (in part) lead to the soul smashing? If yes, by what means?
2. How big was the final smashing event? What was it exactly?
3. Did David choose the "downward development path" (as per 'Darkness over Tibet')?
4. Did he choose it because of traumatic experiences?
5. If yes, were those traumatic experiences residue of a past life or karmatic?
6. If not, were they induced by STS beings?
7. What could he have done to prevent this?
8. Was David a Wanderer (as per the Ra material and the Law of One)?
9. If so, what density was he from? 6th?
10. Was he in fact a reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?
I'm operating from AND consciousness here, as in: he could have been both narcissistic as well as the reincarnation of EC.
I'm aware that some of these questions might seem silly or already answered, but I'm just trying to keep an open mind here, and as many of my teachers say: "There are no silly questions."
From my experiential knowledge with watching some of his videos, I can say that I was turned off by them and sceptical but I also don't want to operate from blind spots, assumptions, or bias.
Hence these ponderings.
Thank you.
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Noctu thanks for that quote - that aligns with what I was thinking! As far as asking the C's, do we REALLY care to spend time on a session for this dude? I mean, whether his soul was smashed or not, does it change anything in terms of our understanding of his life choices and where they lead, and the lessons therein? Are we not all influenced by STS forces, or have karma from past lives, or are tortured by the very same forces that the quoted session said induce transmarginal inhibition?
Honestly, I don't think David was "special" or "different" in that sense, and was fully responsible for his life (and death) regardless of any forces or karmic influences. There was a lot stacked against him, but that's just how the world works, it's not because he was any kind of threat. In The Wave Laura describes the insane attacks she has gone through (and continues to go through) and yet she found a way through (despite launching a book or 2 across a room once in a while, maybe a few cracked frying pans and hyperdimensional hats, but that's par for the course lol). We all suffer this world, and I'm not convinced that he was some "higher level soul" on some mission - despite any such claims from David. He has shown 0 evidence of it!
If we ask the C's I feel like they'd just say "well what do YOU think?" because we can pretty much answer all of those questions ourselves.
I feel like there are way more interesting or better people that might warrant that kind of analysis, given their profound impact on the world (say like Jordan Peterson). But David never demonstrated a phase of being truly wise and helping millions of people who was somehow turned to the dark side in a mysterious way. He was a just a new age weirdo the whole way through, and there is nothing shocking or surprising or truly remarkable about him or his fate, sad as it was.
Honestly, I don't think David was "special" or "different" in that sense, and was fully responsible for his life (and death) regardless of any forces or karmic influences. There was a lot stacked against him, but that's just how the world works, it's not because he was any kind of threat. In The Wave Laura describes the insane attacks she has gone through (and continues to go through) and yet she found a way through (despite launching a book or 2 across a room once in a while, maybe a few cracked frying pans and hyperdimensional hats, but that's par for the course lol). We all suffer this world, and I'm not convinced that he was some "higher level soul" on some mission - despite any such claims from David. He has shown 0 evidence of it!
If we ask the C's I feel like they'd just say "well what do YOU think?" because we can pretty much answer all of those questions ourselves.
I feel like there are way more interesting or better people that might warrant that kind of analysis, given their profound impact on the world (say like Jordan Peterson). But David never demonstrated a phase of being truly wise and helping millions of people who was somehow turned to the dark side in a mysterious way. He was a just a new age weirdo the whole way through, and there is nothing shocking or surprising or truly remarkable about him or his fate, sad as it was.
Haven't kept up with him in the last couple of decades, but if he was a Cayce reincarnate, then it reminded me of the incarnation of Cacye before Cacye as we know him. The mindset/issues seem similar. So, perhaps if true, that 'Cacye' picked up the lessons from that previous incarnation? I remember the 'higher self' communications he claimed seemed rather 'off', chaotic or something not focused... which reminds me of Cliff High's 'investigation'. Wilcox always seemed to have 'issues' from what people said a couple decades ago when he was in Carla/Jim's group. Sounds like little changed. Lessons repeat until learned. For various reasons, taking the 'exit' is always an option as the Cs said. With Don, it was said to be attacks from a 5dSTSer if I remember correctly, and given the issue between the trio at the time, in hindsight, it's interesting to see the parallels. Gotta keep the chakras clean if in that situation, sort of like Castaneda's warning to keep and hold your light.
PS... It was one of his early articles back in the early 2000s that caught my attention, which led to the Ra sessions etc. It was his mention near the end of that article that mentioned Atlantis that caused me to do a Laura multiple times and (throw that book away)... took a number of days to overcome that builtin opinion molded from the MSM.
PS... It was one of his early articles back in the early 2000s that caught my attention, which led to the Ra sessions etc. It was his mention near the end of that article that mentioned Atlantis that caused me to do a Laura multiple times and (throw that book away)... took a number of days to overcome that builtin opinion molded from the MSM.
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I'm interested to get some kind of confirmation or disconfirmation about what we think as a group to see if we're on track with our networking based consensus making process. We might be spot on or we might be off. How many details do we get correct?
And, yes, maybe there are more important matters to focus on. It seems to me, for example, that we're really getting close to some big events (comets, natural disasters, the 36 million Nephilim arriving) and I would like to know where to focus my attention on in gathering and gaining knowledge and implementing it in my daily life.
I struggle, for example, and I realise I might be going off topic here, with deciding whether to disseminate certain information (even if it's "only" a translation of the recent Gurdjieff video that was made or expanding on a quote by the C's on the lessons of love) to a broader audience, because I feel it comes, at least in part, from an STS intention, being seen as knowledgeable by other people ("Look at me, I know this, so I must be important and respected"). On the other hand, the intention is also to help people, because I have been sharing social media posts with knowledge for years, and I suspect there are some people following my posts for that reason, but not all of my Facebook friends are actively asking for that, I guess, so maybe another medium would be better?
And, yes, I would love to hear more from the C's on Jordan Peterson.
Here are some quotes by the C's on him.
Even when reading for instance this quote from one of the sessions,
I have the tendency to put it into a statement, i.e. "Financial markets cannot be disconnected from reality forever", and post it on my Facebook Profile (without sharing the source). The thought of doing that gives me a good feeling, I guess one of self-importance. I also feel a kind of pressure under my breast bone (as a litteral physical sensation). Maybe that's linked to the pain of not being paid attention to as a child, and I'm longing for the attention? Which, of course, is a valid human need, which I can fulfill in a healty way.
The statement is not my orginial thought or idea but I know it to be true, and I guess a lot of people would agree with it. I don't know what it is with dropping these truth bombs that attracts me to doing it. One could say, maybe it's guidance from above, but is it from STS or STO, is it mixed?
My guess is, it's STS-inspired. And then my question is, overall, is it better to do no such STS things at all but at the cost of truth not being shared, or is it better to share truth (because lies ask for truth, don't they?) even though there are some minor consequences to my overall orientation (because I guess it could depolarize me away from STO).
I am open to feedback, because I wonder if this personal inquiry that I'm sharing here belongs to the scope of this forum, or is it more helpful to share objectively (how the universe sees itself, not per se scientifically) about facts?
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