[Debunking] Pasteur, the Stalin of medicine

dant

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WOW!

What an eye-opener! I throughly enjoyed everything on this thread! I learned a lot and throughly thank you all for making this information available.

Unfortunately, I learned today that my father has cancer. Now, he is going to an oncologist to determine what choices he has, and has to choose himself. I am sure they will offer him chemo, and many western-science options, including 'do-nothing'. What a dilemena. Throughly ignorant that we are and WE are asked to make a choice, if any.

When I read this thread when before I learned of his cancer - I seriously asked him to change his diet by eating LOTS of alfalfa sprouts. Uh.....um.... it is probably too late for him?

Sigh...
 

dant

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Hi PFR,

Unfortunately I cannot read French :( If it were not too much work, I would appreaciate the translation to english and post and perhaps anyone else reading this thread are also interested, to chime in?
 

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I first ran into information about Antoine Bechamp in a book entitled The Rife Report: The Cancer Cure That Worked. I apologize that I can’t find the author’s name (I guess I lost the paper I had written it on). I found this book in 1989 or maybe 1990 purely by chance, sitting on a couch in someone’s house waiting and it was on the couch. I began reading it and was completely engaged by it. It is the story of Roy Rife who in the course of working to improve the existing microscopes at that time discovered that all cancer tissue he examined under his microscope had the same microorganism present. Over a short time, he used his improved microscope technology to also kill these organisms (and later others) using electromagnetic frequencies of the organism itself. Please note that what I am writing is all from memory; the book is out of print and I have been unable to get hold of a second hand copy. But I think this may be useful information for others to research if they choose.

In the book, The Rife Report, Bechamp’s theories were discussed as background material mentioning his ideas about Pleomorphism, his rivalry with Pasteur and Pasteur’s adherence to the concept of Monomorphism, referred to the fact that Pasteur was an incompetent, a plagiarist, and a master political manipulator, etc. Roy Rife at first received media coverage at least locally when he completed a summer clinic in San Diego, I believe in 1931, where he achieved a 100% cure rate of cancers of all kinds. But his life became a nightmare soon afterwards. He and his colleagues and associates were attacked, harassed, and otherwise terrorized by the mainstream medical and pharmaceutical industries and organizations, including the American Medical Association, Sloan Kettering Cancer Center, etc. Mr. Rife’s life and career were ruined and all the knowledge he had accumulated was systematically suppressed.

Some examples: He and another researcher established a research center in Edison, New Jersey (again this is all from my memory of the book). Towards the end of construction, equipping, etc., it was burned down, and if I remember correctly, the AMA was implicated in the arson. All clinics that wanted to be trained in his techniques using his equipment which he made one at a time, were shut down and accused of quackery and endangering the public, etc. Attempts were made on the lives of some of his colleagues and associates; some were said to have left medical research/practice while others went to Mexico to continue their work.

Roy Rife became an alcoholic for a number of years and then recovered. In the 1950’s he tried to patent his devices/equipment to get investors so that he can mass produce them on an industrial scale. So-called “expert witnessesᾠ were brought forth to say that there was nothing useful about the device and it was even dangerous. He was unable to get a patent and lost any interested potential investors. It was mentioned in the book that there was a second, follow-up book by the same author about more details of how the legal field worked in conjunction with the medical and pharmaceutical fields to destroy Mr. Rife’s reputation and work/discoveries. It was also mentioned that all of his notes, journals, and equipment and instructions were put in storage. Around 1999 or 2000, as I was doing some research on the internet, I came across some information that most of his notes, journals, equipment, etc. were lost/destroyed, but I don’t know if this is true.

I hope this information may be helpful for some to pursue researching and see if they can find more information about this issue. Maybe someone will come across a copy of the book and even the second book by the same author.
 

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SeekinTruth, the book you're talking about is apparently available for purchase, through amazon marketplace (second hand books)
See here : http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0919951309/theeyesite

I found a website devoted to Rife's work :
http://www.rifetechnologies.com/

dant : OK, I'll translate the interesting passages and make a summary
 

stardust

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Dant : some others way of research for your father

Vit C (natural only and - without aspartam - and high dose ( 3/5g per day) I have take until 10g without troubles ) associated with Bromélaïne : warning : you must stop entirely to eat Milk products with this cure because milk prevents the action of bromelaïne

Beljanski's products

The most you can, fresh vegetables and fruits, less meat and canned food .

If he got a psychic shock ( bereavement, etc...) few time before his disease, it could be helpful to work on.

The causes can be numerous ( chemical exposition, psychic /emotionnal , bad diet (for a long time) , genetic, etc...) you'll have to see how he had lived to try to determine the cause(s) and know what could be gooder for him.

Even if the issue is uncertain, you can help him to support better the chemical treatments he would have and his disease. But it is to your father to decide to "take oneself in hand" . You can't obliged someone to "heal" . I have often suffer to see that certain of my advice should have improved the health of people ( above all those I love ) who bewail their fate, but the fact was they didn't want to changed anything, and I lost my time and my energy. So now, I don't try to convince anymore. I propose if one ask but the work to heal, it is not to me (or to you) to do it...
 
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Dant said:
Unfortunately, I learned today that my father has cancer. Now, he is going to an oncologist to determine what choices he has, and has to choose himself. I am sure they will offer him chemo, and many western-science options, including 'do-nothing'.
Chemo’s risks seem to largely outweigh the benefits in the majority of cases.

A German epidemiologist from the Heidelberg/Mannheim Tumor Clinic, Dr. Ulrich Abel has done a comprehensive review and analysis of every major study and clinical trial of chemotherapy ever done. His conclusions should be read by anyone who is about to embark on the Chemo Express. To make sure he had reviewed everything ever published on chemotherapy, Abel sent letters to over 350 medical centers around the world asking them to send him anything they had published on the subject. Abel researched thousands of articles: it is unlikely that anyone in the world knows more about chemotherapy than he.

The analysis took him several years, but the results are astounding: Abel found that the overall worldwide success rate of chemotherapy was "appalling" because there was simply no scientific evidence available anywhere that chemotherapy can "extend in any appreciable way the lives of patients suffering from the most common organic cancers." Abel emphasizes that chemotherapy rarely can improve the quality of life. He describes chemotherapy as "a scientific wasteland" and states that at least 80 percent of chemotherapy administered throughout the world is worthless, and is akin to the "emperor's new clothes" - neither doctor nor patient is willing to give up on chemotherapy even though there is no scientific evidence that it works! - Lancet 10 Aug 91 No mainstream media even mentioned this comprehensive study: it was totally buried.
Source

Plus:
Mercola said:
One longer-term effect is particularly tragic: people who've had chemotherapy no longer respond to nutritional or immunologically-based approaches to their cancers. And since chemotherapy doesn't cure 96% to 98% of all cancers anyway...People who take chemotherapy have sadly lost their chance of finding another sort of cure.
For researching your father’s case you will need as much info as possible – to start with the type and stage of the cancer. The two sites I trust most are Mercola and Dr. Saul. The search engine is your friend.

Here’s the first things I would do if it was me:
-Major diet clean-up. Eliminating all sugar as well as white flour, and processed foods in general. I would especially pay attention to such additives as aspartame and other sweeteners, and monosodium glutamate. A rather simplistic but I think worthwhile rule of thumb is to stay away from any food ingredient you can’t pronounce. This is big work, but to take it from the other end: adding as many fresh (preferably biologic) fruits and veggies as possible. Also each person is a bit different; some foods may be more harmful or helpful in one person than in another.
-I would use vitamin C in industrial quantity, as well as a good B-complex, Laetrile and possibly several others – while reading up you will find that a lot of nutrients are helpful to cancer patients. Now from personal and family experimentations it seems that some brands may be much more efficient than others. My family’s trusted brands: Jamieson and Wampole.
-Does your father like hot pepper by any chance?
-Now this one isn’t specific to cancer, but my gut tells me it might be of some use, seen as it helps just about everything: raw garlic and onions.

Anyways sorry if this is a bit cut and dry; obviously your father is the one making the decisions, and here I assumed he would be receptive to info from you. When my grandma had cancer the rest of the family prevented me from giving her vitamins and plants, and she herself was rather of the docile type and unwilling to question authority; she did what the doctor said and died right on schedule too. In any case, my very best wishes.

Prayers for rain said:
Do yo read French ? The book - great book but alas has not been translated into other languages, grrrr - where the article on Pasteur comes from has a section devoted to cancer, and proposes natural remedies, explanations for that disease, and other suggestion that could help your father. If you're interested I can scan it and e-mail it to you, or if you don't read french I can translate it and post it here.
I can help with the translation if need is.
 

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Marie said:
Prayers for rain said:
Do yo read French ? The book - great book but alas has not been translated into other languages, grrrr - where the article on Pasteur comes from has a section devoted to cancer, and proposes natural remedies, explanations for that disease, and other suggestion that could help your father. If you're interested I can scan it and e-mail it to you, or if you don't read french I can translate it and post it here.
I can help with the translation if need is.
That would be nice Marie, thanks. I've translated the biggest part this morning, there remains 2,5 pages which I'll scan and send it to you hopefully this afternoon (the scanner is in my partner's shop, and he'll be absent till end pm).
The kids are demanding, that's all for me today :)

Here's the first part of the article :

CANCER

It is currently known that cancer has become the first cause of mortality in France [probably in other countries too!], ahead of the cardiovascular diseases. The convergence of industrial food heavily polluted with radioactivity and heavy metals residues, microwaves, nitrated waters, unrestrained medication, multiple vaccinations with mutagenic effect, professional and emotional insecurity, ... cause men and women to undergo an adaptation process they're not always able to achieve.

THE DISEASE DRAWS ITS EXISTENCE FROM 3 SOURCES

- physical pollution
- mental pollution
- hereditary pollution

If we take the lung cancer, 2 out of the 3 following factors are necessary :

- relationship problems with family circle
- smoking, asbestos or other
- case history of cancer

Another example : throat cancer
- blocked expression or enfermé potential
- poison such as tobacco, radioactivity, etc
- case history of cancer

GENERALLY SPEAKING :

- fears are registered in the intestines
- hypersensivity in the liver
- aggressivity in the pancreas
- sentimental frustration in the breasts

According to the expression of Jean-Claude Guyard : "tout ce qui ne s'exprime pas s'imprime" : "all that isn't expressed, is impressed"

Thus, on the somatization plan, we can say cancer takes its somatic source within a secret wound which one hasn't shared and which is rotting inside

Poisons being more and more numerous and omnipresent, it is more and more probable to "fill" the 2 first basic conditions of cancerisation

Thus it is that on the opposite side, Asiatics, who don't consume dairy products, don't have uro-genitals cancers, whereas they have as many reasons to revolt and be indignated as us. We can see here the importance of the reconstitution of the path which could lead to cancer. It is obvious that to suppress the genetic hereditary defect is not easy. Yet, there is "Axinite, gem elixir" which gives very good results in prenatal eugenics, between the 2nd and 4th month. But its action on adults is not guaranteed.
To suppress the poisons stored inside the organism is often the easiest thing to achieve. To suppress the soul wounds can be more painstaking, specially when there has been a subconscious suppression during a great part of one's life. The intervention of a good psychotherapist is often essential on top of other corrective actions, in order to avoid potential relapses.

HOW DOES THE CANCERISATION PROCESS TAKE PLACE?

Apart from the general ground which settles down beforehand according to the known criteria of alkalinity and blood oxydation (Pr. Vincent's work), a cellular cancellation of target-organs is at one point ordered by the brain (Dr. Hamer's work). everything happens at the computer programme level (genome) of the cellular computer (DNA).
A quick reminding in embryology enables us to fully grasp the problem. During the weeks following fecundation, the embryo develops at high speed and all the cells are identical. Then, there is separation in 3 sorts of tissues (endo meso ecto) which in their turn, give bone, intestine, vessel, nerve... cells. The ADN of the embryonic cells of the beginning is a little bit like the cardboard band of a barrel organ where all the holes would be pierced, which would end with allowing all the notes simultaneously. It is by filling up the holes that one can select notes and chords. It works the same for the cells whose specialisation and job are obtained by the suppression of certain functions of the DNA genome.

In reality, a cancelled cell is not really sick ; it has merely returned to the embryonic initial state, with the associated characteristics:
- fast and unlimited reproduction
- non respect of the contact inhibition, hence painful crushing of the nerves
Conventional medicine always thinks that the cancerisation of a cell is irreversible et that one must inexorably destroy the affected cells. This is false and has always been - in France and abroad, there has been accounts of fast remission cases, by the most diverse means : argile, plants, chemotherapy, radiotherapy, placebo effect, changes in lifestyle, mental programmation, yoga, silent walks in nature...

It isundeniable that everywhere there are cancer survivors, but only are recorded those who were treated according to the rules - the others are meticulously hidden or denied (they didn't have cancer !) yet they do exist , beaming with life, and one can meet them.

ATTITUDES WHICH HELP

According to Dale Carnegie : "When someone succeeds, try to do like them". What is the commun trait of "winners" ?
At a given time, they ceased to submit their bodies and souls to services and specialists. They turned a deaf ear to the cries of those who wished them well. And they decided that in the same way they had created their disease, they could create their cure. Here are the decisions they took :

From now on :
1) I don't eat junk food
2) I don't overdramatize life
3)I regularly do physical exercise
4)I go out to breathe in nature and I learn to breathe CONSCIOUSLY
5) I'm nice with everyone [the author probably doesn't know about the problem of psychopathy]
6)I sort my life out
7)I have faith my destiny

But there is still the fire to extinguish on the physical plane.
The chemotherapy is the unique dish, supposed to be the only serious and reasonable means. It is imposed with such psychological pressures, that it is difficult to avoid it. Yet, there is no question of submitting to it or to "please people" - the point is to secure onself.
If one is frightened by the fact of refusing chimiotheray, THEN ONE MUST DO IT
But if one is frightened to submit to it, and one prefers to try something else, ONE HAS THE RIGHT NOT TO DO IT

Nobody can draw conclusions about a treatment whatever it may be, to distinguish its real effect from the placebo effect - and hundreds of recoveries by pacebo are known, all therapies concerned.
What everybvody knows, is that chemotherapy is harmful, traumatizing, tiring, and that it destroys the blood formula and can cause genetic alterations. Yet, there are parallel treatments which can allow one to bear chemo without too much damage. Moreover, it is possible to undertake a programme for the rebuilding of cellular programmes, and thus for self-recovery.

REMEDIES A LA CARTE

Here is a protocol we've often had the occasion to experiment with a good rate of success, knowing that, as said a great doctor : "all diseases are curable, but all sick persons are not curable".

At bedtime, during chemo and for the 3 following days :
> barite gem elixir - 15 drops - activates renal drainage, eliminates poisons, avoids nauseas and vomitings, limits tiredness and prevents hair fall

>Alkyrol (shark liver) : 2 pills during the 3 main meals
The shark, contemporary with the dinosaurs, is nearly impossible to cancerize

>Carzodelan : in intramuscular injection. Every 2 days during 2 months then in degressive doses
This german product, sold for more than 40 years, is a pancreatic extract which selectively dissolves dead tumoral cells and cystic formations. The tumor regression generally occurs in 2 months, relieving the pain by its anti inflammatory and decompressive action on nerves. A degresive use is advised during 6 months minimum after remission. [the author mentions an address to buy it in France, but I could'nt find any useful information in english on the Internet]

At bedtime, alternate on 3 days :
> Axinite gem elixir - 10 drops - it restores the ADN genetic alteration caused by chemotherapy
> Agate gem elixir - 10 drops - it stops cellular cancellation via somatization
> Barite gem elixir - 10 drops - It cleans from the chemical poisons

Beljanski products are forbidden in France but recognized in USA. Use : cancer, aids...
Natural Source International Ltd
PMB 331-208 East 51 st Street - New York, NY 10022 - USA
Tél : 00-1-212-308-7066 (after 4 pm) - Fax : 00-1-212-593-3925

>PAO V - Pao Pereira (plant extract) - 100 pills bottle
>Rovol V - Rauwolfia vomitoria (plant extract) - 100 pills bottle
>Gingko V - Gingko biloba (plant extract) - 100 pills bottle
>Real Build - Escherichia coli (ARN fragments) - powder cones


> Natural Vitamin C - 4 to 5 g /day
thus : 7 ACEROLA tablets of 700 g / day

>Probiotic supplements
The intestines are the hub of immunological defences. Probiotic products restore the intestine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probiotic

DIET

When one has a cancer, the more one changes the parameters of one's life, the more one has chances to obtain a recovery, beginning with food diet :
Thus, it is crucial to suppress:
- white bread
- sugar, jams, chocolates, ice creams, industrial pastries, biscuits and shortbreads
- red meat
- sorrel, watercress
- delicatessen in all sorts
- all dairy products (yaourts, cheeses, crème fraîche/sour cream, butter)
 

stardust

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Prayers For Rain said:
>Carzodelan : in intramuscular injection. Every 2 days during 2 months then in degressive doses
This german product, sold for more than 40 years, is a pancreatic extract which selectively dissolves dead tumoral cells and cystic formations. The tumor regression generally occurs in 2 months, relieving the pain by its anti inflammatory and decompressive action on nerves. A degresive use is advised during 6 months minimum after remission. [the author mentions an address to buy it in France, but I could'nt find any useful information in english on the Internet]
I don't find again the information but I believe that Carzoledan is not producted anymore ( the labo which made it doesn't exist anymore or something like that...) Michel Dogna mentions in an article that a friend of him , surgeon and specialist in cancer, said he got better results with bromelase ( and the product is cheaper - carzoledan injections are more expensive)
 

dant

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Thanks to all of you who have responded. I have printed out the information (inclding links) and will get together with my Dad and talk to him about it. He had an appointment with the oncologist yesterday but I will see him today to discover what exactly the cancer he has . All I know was that there was a tumor on the lung very near the heart and that it was diagnosed as having 'cancer cells' but I don't know what kind it is. (Of course many speculated it might be caused from years of smoking but he quit smoking many years ago. My mother died over 15 years ago with a fast acting cancer of the lungs and died in 4 1/2 months and of course there was speculation it might be smoking related but she quit many, many years before.) Sigh, my dad admonished me for smoking (Smoking CAUSES cancer. QUIT!!!) and I said that I smoke only pipe tobacco, natural product, ... NOT CIGARETTES, which are chemically and genetically altered! :)

Anyway, my Dad seems to be contented, and accepts the reality of the situation for what it is. He is seeminly calm about it, and I think he is at peace with it. Just so you know, I have talked with him alot, and also about SOTT, The Wave, etc., etc., and alternative views and his is open even though he still has some sacred cows he holds onto (ie Christianity), but for his age (80 coming Feb 23), it is remarkable to me just how open is is about it listening and being objective about it and agreeing to most of it, but not all of it which is OK.

Anyway, I will post the information of the cancer type only if I am able to get that information.

Again, thanks to you all and I appreciate it!
Dan
 

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Thanks PFR and everyone else for the info.

I just wanted to add that although this thread started under the forum category of Diet and Health, it could become an interesting study in the process of ponerization as discussed in Deckard’s post #4 of this thread. Through the scientific (or what passes as scientific), medical, pharmaceutical, and legal institutions this ponerization process is carried over to economic systems, the media, etc. to effect an entire society and its whole population. Add to this the sadistic, extremely cruel behavior in so-called experiments mentioned in some of the other posts here (though I have not done any research in this area myself) and we see how people are brainwashed into accepting psychopathic values towards life in general and open themselves up to the desires/demands of those in positions of authority (in medicine and all other fields).

And finally, we can see the opportunity in studying how institutions and organizations are themselves psychopathic / pathological and promote those who display these traits to the top of their hierarchy, while chasing away/destroying those who do not.
 

dant

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OH!!!

Geez....

I see this.....

Another example : throat cancer
- blocked expression or enfermé potential
- poison such as tobacco, radioactivity, etc
- case history of cancer
SO - may Dad and the AMA is right that smoking is baaaaaaaaad for you? Didn't I recall that the C's says it is OK for Laura (specifically) but that does not extend to anyone else? Sigh.... should I give up smoking my beloved (peace) pipe?
 

dant

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Ok, here is the info I have received and specific doctors/persons are x'd out for obvious reasons.

I'll try to summarize our visit with Dr. WXXXXXX. The cancer is a stage 3 cancer of a "non-small cell " type. There is some involvement with the lymph nodes. To determine the extent of the cancer would
involve another test to examine the entire body. There was a lengthy discussion about his general health. Surgical removal is not an option due to a significant about of emphysema in the right lung. Anther option is chemo and radiation. This treatment is very hard on the body. It will make you very ill and weak. Dad choose not to go this route. Dr. WXXXXXX thinks he made a right decision He thought that even if he did start the treatment, after a few treatments he would ask to stop it.
Dr. spent a great deal of time talking about the end of life experience. He encouraged Dad to talk about the process that your mother had. He spoke a lot about death not being as frightening as most people believe. He was happy to hear how philosophical your dad was and realistic about the illness.
Dan, I asked about the diet theory - he was well aware of this approach. However, in his practice he has never seen any real benefits through it. He is willing to visit with any or all of you if you feel this would help you. Dr. NXXXXXX will follow up on any medical needs. We asked about time!! It is impossible to tell because we do not know how fast the tumor will grow and when it will turn into a stage 4 cancer. We wondered about rechecking say in a year. He says in a year it will definitely be a
stage 4 and untreatable. If we wished, we could get a repeat x-ray in 6 months or so in order to attempt to determine a better time frame. You must be reassured that you Dad is quite calm and realistic about all this. We plan to live our lives as usual and enjoy each day we have. We all know
at some time we will all face this situation.
Well, there you have it. I still don't know WHAT the cancer is. Seemed very vague but I will ask for specifics should I get the chance to talk with the Oncologist.

In any case, I think the "diet" theory might be good in any case, ie to avoid sugar (which feeds cancer), milk products, eat LOTS of fruit/veggies, go much less on meat intake, and so on. Hard part is how to control the PH of your body, how to measure it, etc. I guess this is gonna be the start of a long (or short) journey and I think it would at the very least benefit me should I ever be faced with cancer too. Heck, I am 50, 2012 is fast approaching, maybe I would never get there anyway, who knows, but knowledge is good to have, since Knowledge Protects, Ignorance Endangers and I would like to choose Knowledge over Ignorance any day.
 

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dant said:
OH!!!

Geez....

I see this.....

Another example : throat cancer
- blocked expression or repressed potential
- poison such as tobacco, radioactivity, etc
- case history of cancer
SO - may Dad and the AMA is right that smoking is baaaaaaaaad for you? Didn't I recall that the C's says it is OK for Laura (specifically) but that does not extend to anyone else? Sigh.... should I give up smoking my beloved (peace) pipe?
I don't think you should take anything about health issues as truth engraved in stone. Personally I think that by "tobacco" the author meant "bad tobacco" such as what is found in industrial cigarettes. If you smoke pipes of natural stuff I don't think that is that harmful. Health is very personal to each, what works for you won't for your neighbour and vice versa.
Ie, a lot of studies have showed dairy products are bad for health and there are people who were cured of their chronic problems just by suppressing dairies. Yet, *I* love dairies and don't notice any particular bad effect. Of course I don't know if I'd feel better if I stopped dairies, as I never tried. And of course too, I could have health problems when I age (IF I'm able to reach old age... given our present time line :))

I wish you good luck for your father.
 

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Hi dant,

For what is worth try looking into total therapy according to Dr. Breuss.
I am not mentioning this cos I am an expert in it but because I personally know someone who has had remarkable result with her uterine mioma which has shrunk from the size of the fist to the size of the pea.That is the current status after one attempt. She was also receivng reiki and Su Jok treatment.

Obviously there are many things to take into consideration. Firstly the fact that this approach seems to be very drastic and it basically boils down to almost starving for 6 weeks. Therefore you need to research thorughly and carefully weigh all pros and cons .
All I can say is that I have known this person very well and not that she has reduced the tumour (which is by the way far less serious then your father's and non malignant) but she also looks at least 10 years younger now.

If you are going to search on the net the proper name is - breuss cancer cure

best wishes
 
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