Dental work -implants

Hi Laurs,
there is a view in integral dental medicine that root canal treatments can enable the spread of silent inflammation. The stance of these dentists is that it is not possible to clean all the microscopic branches of the dental nerves properly. Necrotic processes are left uncared and may spread, causing systemic inflammations. This cannot be seen with x-rays properly.

To medically check the status of a dental inflammation, there is a blood test: the RANTES score and most labs test this nowadays. If elevated, integral dentists say, extra care should be taken before an implant. Its a systemic dental approach. Not all dentist know about it or will agree to this view.

To know if a certain dental material is good for you, you could look for an integral/biological dentist who works together with a dental kinesiologist. There are dentists who offer these services together.
The main focus of a dental kinesiologist is 1. to test which teeth block systemic regulation, 2. which dental materials are accepted/not accepted by your individual system. This can be a supportive source of information, if titanium or which other materials are good for you. As far as I know, nowadays there are several ceramic implant materials on the market with good bio-availability to choose from. A good dentist should have a variety to offer. And 3. the relevant sequence for treatment. If the RANTES score is elevated, this can be helpful.

As I have quite a dental history, also with implants, there were lots of learning challenges to figure out what works. My Rantes score is good since 2 years. I regularly check. What I learned within my medical history is to take kinesiology as one of many sources of information and combine it with any other input that seems rational and make sense.
So, fwiw :)
 
FWIW, I have several implants, all titanium, about 8 years now. Most of them are holding well, and are ceramics.

The "bridges" are holding very good, stable and no problems there, only a bit iffy to clean under them. There are special floss for the implants/bridges that go under it and you can clean it better.

But that single molar is now kind of loose and I can't find my implants booklet so the dentist knows which types of screws to order. So if you do a single tooth, especially molar, ask your dentist about them being loose after a while. I must say that this came up fairly recently so perhaps they do have "an expiration" date when you have to redo the attachment.

FWIW
 
Breo said:
To medically check the status of a dental inflammation, there is a blood test: the RANTES score and most labs test this nowadays. If elevated, integral dentists say, extra care should be taken before an implant.

To know if a certain dental material is good for you, you could look for an integral/biological dentist who works together with a dental kinesiologist. There are dentists who offer these services together.

The main focus of a dental kinesiologist is 1. to test which teeth block systemic regulation, 2. which dental materials are accepted/not accepted by your individual system. This can be a supportive source of information, if titanium or which other materials are good for you.
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I agree with Breo's whole post on the topic, this is exactly what I've been learning as well.

Altair said:
I'm facing the dilemma myself at the moment: titan or ceramic implant. Did you have any inflammation issues with your titan implants? No problems at all?
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It won't really help much in this case to decide on implant material based on others' individual experiences, as some people seem to tolerate titan and some don't, and those who don't experience inflammatory issues. It'll be best to simply test for your individual reactions to different dental material, as Breo explained it, and make a decision based on the test results for you individually.
 
Altair said:
I'm facing the dilemma myself at the moment: titan or ceramic implant. Did you have any inflammation issues with your titan implants? No problems at all?
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As far as I remember, the screws are titan and the crown is ceramic.
I had no issues whatsoever with the implants themselves. I had more problems with the one tooth as the yaw was already very damaged so the tooth is now positioned lower than others and I get food between and I have to be extra careful and do extra flossing so there is no food stuck in there as it easily leads so a small inflammation that ends in day or two when it happens.

But with the screws and crowns - no problems at all.

Although, my friend and my ex HAD problems. I think it was either dentist's mistake - not reading the x-ray properly when inserting the screws - or simply body reacting to implants.
My theory is that the screw was screwed in in the "wrong" place - or too long or something - and it was pressing some nerve, as both of them had constant pains in the yaw even after everything settled. After I got the screws, my pains went away in matter of day or two!
My friend in the end, and after a lot of suffering, removed the screw and IDK how it all ended - did she try again or not.
 
Altair said:
I'm facing the dilemma myself at the moment: titan or ceramic implant. Did you have any inflammation issues with your titan implants? No problems at all?
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I received a titanium implant in 2011. Immediately afterward, this area became inflamed and festered.

I consulted the dentist several times and other dentists over the years as well.
Each of these dentists told me something different and offered me expensive treatments that were of no use.

I have suffered a long and arduous journey. My bone material in this area has degenerated.

Ultimately, I had to insist very forcefully that another dentist remove the titanium implant.
Since then, the inflammation has subsided.

Apart from the fact that titanium is a wonderful additional antenna mast for microwave radiation, based on my experience, I would never have a titanium implant again.

Furthermore, I would only undergo this procedure with dentists who are versed in naturopathy, who work with alternative practitioners, and who are truly knowledgeable about ceramic implants and the preparation and follow-up procedures.

To do this, a professional dentist should go through an appropriate protocol with you before the procedure (vitamin D levels, material compatibility, etc.). Unfortunately, many dentists charge a lot of money for this.

In my opinion, there is a quick guide to a professional dentist: If they don't offer ceramic implants and have been using them for years, if they don't practice naturopathy, if they don't offer to have the materials tested beforehand, if they don't go through a preparation and follow-up protocol with you regarding the relevant values beforehand, and if they don't offer to only administer antibiotics via the bloodstream during the procedure - i.e. please not via the gastrointestinal tract - then stay away and find the next dentist.
 
Laurs said:
I hope you can give me some information and a big thank you in advance :flowers:
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@Laurs: In 2019, I had the titanium implant removed that was inserted in 2011 because it had caused inflammation in my jawbone and gums over the years. Unfortunately, dentists gave me bad advice and even worse treatment over the years; otherwise, I would have had the implant removed much earlier.

I'm currently deciding whether to have a root-treated tooth removed and try a ceramic implant. Since my experiences have led me to lack trust in dentists, I'm still looking for a trustworthy and professional dentist. Possible addresses for dentists can be found here. I came across these ceramic implants and dentists through Dr. Klinghardt (there are already a few posts about this). I personally have to get to know the dentist and judge them based on how comprehensively they deal with degenerated bone substance and implants, as well as the preparation and follow-up consultation.
 
Theodor said:
In my opinion, there is a quick guide to a professional dentist: If they don't offer ceramic implants and have been using them for years, if they don't practice naturopathy, if they don't offer to have the materials tested beforehand, if they don't go through a preparation and follow-up protocol with you regarding the relevant values beforehand, and if they don't offer to only administer antibiotics via the bloodstream during the procedure - i.e. please not via the gastrointestinal tract - then stay away and find the next dentist.
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All are relevent points to check for a good dentist. Addition: if there is the individually correct antibiotics and dosage given, it may as well work orally. Its individual.

Theodor said:
I'm currently deciding whether to have a root-treated tooth removed and try a ceramic implant. Since my experiences have led me to lack trust in dentists, I'm still looking for a trustworthy and professional dentist. Possible addresses for dentists can be found here. I came across these ceramic implants and dentists through Dr. Klinghardt (there are already a few posts about this). I personally have to get to know the dentist and judge them based on how comprehensively they deal with degenerated bone substance and implants, as well as the preparation and follow-up consultation.
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I have been on a long road with root canals, extraction, implant and then extraction again. It brought me to a life endangering period. I keep it short. This all happened while I was in formal training in Klinghard kinesiology. I was recommended by a teacher to one main expert in this holistic dental field. He can also be found in your link above. Symptoms got much worse. My word of caution: STS and deception is to be found everywhere. Holistic, integral medicine and especially holistic dentistry became a huge business. We are now close to society falling apart - and trustworthy, humble, professional humans are most rare to be found. Without wanting to discredit the good ones, use your guts, check and double check, and always expect an attack also in this field.

One thing often overlooked and normal dentists simply ignore, is, that even if the dental procedures might go all well ( it was like that for me for years) and no direct dental symptoms appear, the systemic challenge can be huge and chronic. There are people with 20-30 years of severe chronic symptoms and the connection to dentistry never is made. Very few dentist (integral or not) are willing to admit and look into this connection. Sometimes main causes are stemming from dental material, implants, or seemingly treated root canals for all systems. Eg. dentistry is the only medical faculty that allows dead teeth (which may decay and produce necrosis) to be kept in the body.

Only when dental treatments afterwards are reversed, fixed, detoxed, (like I had to do as a patient) overall recovery started. Silent or not so silent inflammation started to reside in all the system.

So what I wanted to point to, for some of us it might be worth to thoroughly check in advance whom to choose and what to do, holistic or not - and network about it.
 
@Breo: Perhaps you'd like to share your experiences. What exactly helped you to heal your mouth and get rid of toxic triggers and inflammation in the mouth? Do you have implants, and if so, which ones? Can you recommend any dentists? Do you take any special supplements to rebuild degenerated jawbone?
 
Theodor said:
I'm currently deciding whether to have a root-treated tooth removed and try a ceramic implant. Since my experiences have led me to lack trust in dentists, I'm still looking for a trustworthy and professional dentist.
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I am about to have a root-treated tooth removed as well and I'm worried about dental anesthetics that might be applied.

Which anestetic would you be content with, in view of this Sept 21, 2024 session discussion?


Laura said:
Q: (Joe) There was another paper with a claim that this kind of nanotech was in dental anesthetic. I suppose in some cases it was found in dental anesthetic. Is that true?

A: Yes.

Q: (Joe) Was that very widespread?

A: No. Experimental. You should be aware that the extent of this type of experimentation is far more than widespread than you can imagine. Correct error of transmission please.

Q: (Joe) "is far more widespread than you can imagine." Is that what you meant to say?

A: Yes.
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Theodor said:
@Breo: Perhaps you'd like to share your experiences. What exactly helped you to heal your mouth and get rid of toxic triggers and inflammation in the mouth? Do you have implants, and if so, which ones? Can you recommend any dentists? Do you take any special supplements to rebuild degenerated jawbone?
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I can share from a patient perceptive as I have many open questions myself.

Probably all started with two root canal treatments in my teens. For around 15 years there were no clear symtoms. But always irritation/sensitivity. Symptoms started when mercury fillings were removed and toxins set free. At that time until arriving at the forum, I knew near to nothing about supplementing and detox. So detox was left uncared. The root canals got more and more irritated, cleansed several times, finally extracted. Still pain build up chronically. Overall health declined. Kinesiologists tested osteomyelitis (bacterial infection of the jaw bone), confirmed by dentists.

I was recommended a famous holistic implantologist. He decided 4 places have to be cleaned surgically (Nico) and 2 ceramic implants. Although a seemingly professional clinic, all was done fast, sloppy and in hindsight with a main business focus. After his treatment symptoms worsened. Other dentists demanded, all should be removed again plus complex bone transplant. That´s when I had enough and took a break.

I mainly focused on the forums health and diet recommendations. Also Gaby´s thread on neural therapy and procain. I found a dentist who applied it in the gums. It was painless and helped a lot! Each time big relief. Finally I consulted a dentist who confirmed that the main mistake was that the implants had been done too early. The area was already infected from the root canals. This should have been treated longer before the implant. He then removed one implant. It was a relief and near to painless. He cleaned several times with oxygene. That felt very relevant. It healed easily. Since the situation is calmer.

Since I focus on listening much closer to my body and intuition and balance it with what doctors say, experiment with different supplements supporting all systems. See Keyhole´s threads. I want to try out low dose doxicycline next.

For implants, maybe Dr.Volz? I heard good things, but I don´t know him.
 
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