Descriptions of the "afterlife"/5th Density

[hiker]

Maybe I'm wrong, and it's all true, but I suspect that the book might be a mix of things. Maybe Billy did communicate to some degree with Annie, which then she mixed with some channeling and/or thoughts of her own.

In any case, the book is a nice read and gives you some food for thought.

Thanks for the book review. I haven't read it myself, but by the sound of it, your interpretation above could be correct.

"Certain music written by the composer Sibelius [Finnish composer] gives you an idea of what the cosmic sound is like. Sibelius was definitely tuned to a higher dimension. I'm not talking about his darker pieces, but download his swan music and notice how the swells of sound break into melodies. This will give you a hint of what I hear, except what I hear is infinitely lighter and more sublime."

Kagan, Annie. The Afterlife of Billy Fingers: How My Bad-Boy Brother Proved to Me There's Life After Death (p. 133). Red Wheel Weiser. Kindle Edition.

Here's "The Swan of Tuonela" by Jean Sibelius. It certainly sounds "cosmic" and celestial. (There are many people in the comment section, who have found out about the composition from reading the book.)

 

[ELT]

Session 19/10/24, talking about Pierre in 5D :

Q: (Joe) Does he have a body of any sort?

A: Yes like it used to be

Q: (L) So basically some form of body that's restored to health from before you got sick?

A: Yes

Lovely to hear some words of insight from Pierre. Also interesting to learn that we still have a body of some description when on 5d. My guess is that we're also more youthful in appearance when there.

After watching The Boy and The Heron, by Hayao Miyazaki, before the above session was released, I had the strong feeling that what was represented in the movie could well be aspects of 5D.

The concept of gaining your youth back overthere was expressed in the movie. The parallel then appeared once the above session's got released.
There may be other glimpses of the afterlife in the film.

 

[Fluffy]

A woman dies in a car accident and is shown how prayer impacts and effects our reality, and that through meaningful, selfless prayer we become conscious and active participants in creating and shaping the past, present and future.
Quite beautiful and touching.
Enjoy.

This one goes along a similar path as prayer, repenting- how it changes not only the experience but it restores the soul.
I actually cried at this description feeling a deep sense of longing to return home.

 

[Fluffy]

Soldier is shot on the battlefield, enters 5D believing he’s in heaven until the landscape changes and transforms to hell- his own personal hell of all his wrongdoings. It got me thinking about repenting. Now I wonder if repenting and atoning can save one from a soul smashing event. Is this what happened to this soldier?

 

[Debra]

Soldier is shot on the battlefield, enters 5D believing he’s in heaven until the landscape changes and transforms to hell- his own personal hell of all his wrongdoings.

Wow, and not just any soldier, but an Israeli sniper, at that.
I was reminded of the first NDE persons story that got me interested in researching “life after death”.
His name is Dannion Brinkley, who was a “Beige Beret” for the U.S army.

I noted that this video is of a very recent “near death” experience, if the date of the happening is true. September, 2024, only 4 months ago.

It got me thinking about repenting.

As in “Holy Roller Revival Tent” repenting?!
I’d come and cheer you on, those things are a blast!
No snake handling, tho’, I draw the line at snakes and mass groups in disassociated states...just sayin’.

Now I wonder if repenting and atoning can save one from a soul smashing event. Is this what happened to this soldier?

From the background he gave, we must take into account his ancestral beliefs.
this gullible, meat puppet guy was programmed from birth, to “believe the BIGGEST of lies”, and his whole life was built on that foundation.
The book “Darkness over Tibet” describes “believing a lie” as the only sin.
He saw how his life of belief in the screwy righteousness of the Holy war, was to live a lie.

Of course these are my opinions, although my “opinions” are based on a lot of data and information I’ve gathered, you will find your own peace, and “repentance” in a way that works for you.

But, I was serious about the Revival Tent, call me!
I’ll go with ya, it’s been decades since I’ve attended anything so exhilarating bizarre!

 

[Fluffy]

Wow, and not just any soldier, but an Israeli sniper, at that.
I was reminded of the first NDE persons story that got me interested in researching “life after death”.
His name is Dannion Brinkley, who was a “Beige Beret” for the U.S army.

I noted that this video is of a very recent “near death” experience, if the date of the happening is true. September, 2024, only 4 months ago.

As in “Holy Roller Revival Tent” repenting?!
I’d come and cheer you on, those things are a blast!
No snake handling, tho’, I draw the line at snakes and mass groups in disassociated states...just sayin’.

From the background he gave, we must take into account his ancestral beliefs.
this gullible, meat puppet guy was programmed from birth, to “believe the BIGGEST of lies”, and his whole life was built on that foundation.
The book “Darkness over Tibet” describes “believing a lie” as the only sin.
He saw how his life of belief in the screwy righteousness of the Holy war, was to live a lie.

Of course these are my opinions, although my “opinions” are based on a lot of data and information I’ve gathered, you will find your own peace, and “repentance” in a way that works for you.

But, I was serious about the Revival Tent, call me!
I’ll go with ya, it’s been decades since I’ve attended anything so exhilarating bizarre!

Thanks for filling in the gaps your opinions are spot on IMO.

I had no idea what a Revival Tent is, I had a search and I don’t know if I’m weird enough and is anybody gonna touch me? I’m not into that much.

 

[Ricardo]

This one goes along a similar path as prayer, repenting- how it changes not only the experience but it restores the soul.
I actually cried at this description feeling a deep sense of longing to return home.

Nice find thank you , ;D , 6th density always trying to helps us poor 3rd density critters XD

 

[Ca.]

A fascinating interpretation of life after death, with faith being the foundation for eternity.

What Near-Death Survivors Can Teach Us About Heaven & Hell

Mar 4, 2025
Today, we’re diving deep into the eternal reality of Heaven and Hell. But this isn't just a discussion about what the Bible says. We’re bringing you the real-life experiences of those who have crossed over to the other side and returned to tell their stories.I sit down with John Burke, who’s interviewed over 1,500 people who have had near-death experiences. These are real accounts that will challenge your thinking and open your eyes to the truth of eternity. From the overwhelming beauty of Heaven to the shocking, heartbreaking reality of Hell, these stories will shake you to your core.
What Heaven is REALLY like – It’s not just a fairy tale, it’s a real place filled with light, love, and unimaginable beauty.
The reality of Hell – It’s not a metaphor. Hear the shocking, real stories from those who’ve witnessed its terrifying darkness.
Life After Death – What happens when you die? What do we learn from near-death survivors about the other side?
God’s Mercy and Justice – How even those who don’t know Him are encountering His love in powerful, life-changing ways.

 

[Two-tents]

A fascinating interpretation of life after death, with faith being the foundation for eternity.

What Near-Death Survivors Can Teach Us About Heaven & Hell

Mar 4, 2025
Today, we’re diving deep into the eternal reality of Heaven and Hell. But this isn't just a discussion about what the Bible says. We’re bringing you the real-life experiences of those who have crossed over to the other side and returned to tell their stories.I sit down with John Burke, who’s interviewed over 1,500 people who have had near-death experiences. These are real accounts that will challenge your thinking and open your eyes to the truth of eternity. From the overwhelming beauty of Heaven to the shocking, heartbreaking reality of Hell, these stories will shake you to your core.
What Heaven is REALLY like – It’s not just a fairy tale, it’s a real place filled with light, love, and unimaginable beauty.
The reality of Hell – It’s not a metaphor. Hear the shocking, real stories from those who’ve witnessed its terrifying darkness.
Life After Death – What happens when you die? What do we learn from near-death survivors about the other side?
God’s Mercy and Justice – How even those who don’t know Him are encountering His love in powerful, life-changing ways.

I started to watch this video, but, before long, I became increasingly annoyed by this ex-pastor interpreting all the testimonies of the NDE survivors that he had interviewed through a prism of his own deeply-held Christian beliefs. He would liberally sprinkle his descriptions with biblical quotes, and took the testimonies to be confirmation of his Christian faith.

Perhaps I should be glad that more and more such NDE testimonies are now quite commonplace to us, as researchers of life's deeper truths, but I became increasingly irritated by his assertions.

I should explain that for all of my earlier life, I had been an active, evangelical Christian myself, but slowly, over years, I had come to first doubt the "inerrant" Word of God, and then later came to see how the whole darn thing was a cunning psy-op.

From the July 19, 1997 Session:

Laura said:
"Now, from putting the information about religions together throughout the centuries, I am coming to a rather difficult realization that the whole monotheistic idea, which is obviously the basic concept of the ‘Sons of the Law of One’, is the most clever and devious and cunning means of control I have ever encountered in my life. No matter where it comes from, the religionists say “We have the ONE God, WE are his agents; you pay us your money, and we’ll tell him to be nice to you in the next world”!
A: Clever if one is deceived. Silly truffle if one is not.
Q: Well, I know! But, uncovering this deception, this lie that the ‘power’ is ‘out there’ is unbelievable.

 

[nicklebleu]

I started to watch this video, but, before long, I became increasingly annoyed by this ex-pastor interpreting all the testimonies of the NDE survivors that he had interviewed through a prism of his own deeply-held Christian beliefs. He would liberally sprinkle his descriptions with biblical quotes, and took the testimonies to be confirmation of his Christian faith.

Same here - switched off after about 15 minutes.

It kind of reminds me of the Intelligent Design mob from the Discovery Institute. Their analysis of the facts is good, they do a stellar job of unearthing the facts that don’t agree with Neo-Darwinism and connecting the dots up to a certain degree, but at the end, they always end up with the conclusion that “God did it!” (as the Christian version of God), which is kinda true in a wider sense (as there needs to be some intelligent mind involved), but there are other possible explanations that are mostly just brushed away (like the emergence of life as a built-in mechanism/ feature into the Universe, and/ or the Universe having no beginning and no end and is always there, so ‘God’ didn’t really build it himself, etc).

Anyway, there a better, more balanced sources about NDE out there.

 

[Nienna]

switched off after about 15 minutes.

I couldn't even make it that long.

 

[Menna]

I started to watch this video, but, before long, I became increasingly annoyed by this ex-pastor interpreting all the testimonies of the NDE survivors that he had interviewed through a prism of his own deeply-held Christian beliefs. He would liberally sprinkle his descriptions with biblical quotes, and took the testimonies to be confirmation of his Christian faith.

Perhaps I should be glad that more and more such NDE testimonies are now quite commonplace to us, as researchers of life's deeper truths, but I became increasingly irritated by his assertions.

I should explain that for all of my earlier life, I had been an active, evangelical Christian myself, but slowly, over years, I had come to first doubt the "inerrant" Word of God, and then later came to see how the whole darn thing was a cunning psy-op.

From the July 19, 1997 Session:

Laura said:
"Now, from putting the information about religions together throughout the centuries, I am coming to a rather difficult realization that the whole monotheistic idea, which is obviously the basic concept of the ‘Sons of the Law of One’, is the most clever and devious and cunning means of control I have ever encountered in my life. No matter where it comes from, the religionists say “We have the ONE God, WE are his agents; you pay us your money, and we’ll tell him to be nice to you in the next world”!
A: Clever if one is deceived. Silly truffle if one is not.
Q: Well, I know! But, uncovering this deception, this lie that the ‘power’ is ‘out there’ is unbelievable.

It’s good you can use your discernment and see where someone is imposing their belief system on a story. As the C’s say no one or very few have the whole picture so there will a majority of the time need to be filtering. Something like this give one the opportunity to hone their discernment craft…

There is a consciousness system and we are a part of it … The larger system can be called any name people want to call it. Knowing the truth, general concepts and important nuances gives one what they need to progress through the spiritual levels or should I say gives one the ability to because at the end of the day it does come down to the individual souls, choices, free will decision making.

 

[Petra]

Být posuzován podle svého vyššího já, současně mít podobu (všech) předchozích vtělení by potvrdilo hypotézu reinkarnace. Ale jaký má potom smysl, aby vaše svědomí posuzovalo a mučilo vtělené já během života, protože ho bude v posmrtném životě stejně dost? Odpověď je zřejmě na základě potřeby vědět, že zrození v novém životě resetuje všechny předchozí znalosti, protože ne každý je povznesený mistr.

Why is it resetting? It seems pointless not to acknowledge past mistakes. You write that the judgment of one's own mistakes is at the end of physical life and then there is reincarnation and then again with no memory of past mistakes. How can we become better if we don't know what a mistake is?

 

[Puma]

I would like to read a conversation between @Joe and Grok on the subject of "afterlife/5D" as Laura did on the subject of AI as an alien control system.​

 

[latulipenoire]

I would like to read a conversation between @Joe and Grok on the subject of "afterlife/5D" as Laura did on the subject of AI as an alien control system.​

Just thought I could start by prompting Grok, I asked if Grok was familiar with Betty's book and when it mentioned "22 reasons why accepting the evidence for an afterlife could enrich one's life" I asked for a summary:

In *When Did You Ever Become Less by Dying? AFTERLIFE: The Evidence* by Stafford Betty, the author provides 22 reasons why accepting the evidence for an afterlife could enrich one's life. These reasons are presented as benefits that stem from embracing the idea that consciousness survives physical death, framing life as part of a larger, ongoing existence. Below is a summarized version of these 22 reasons, based on the book's content and its overarching themes. Since the book does not always list these reasons as a numbered sequence in a single section, this summary synthesizes them from Betty’s arguments and conclusions, particularly from his reflections on the implications of an afterlife.

1. **Reduced Fear of Death**: Believing in an afterlife diminishes the dread of dying, as death is seen as a transition rather than an end.

2. **Greater Sense of Purpose**: Life gains deeper meaning when viewed as part of an eternal journey, encouraging purposeful living.

3. **Enhanced Moral Compass**: The prospect of an afterlife with accountability promotes ethical behavior and personal integrity.

4. **Comfort in Grief**: Knowing loved ones continue to exist in some form eases the pain of loss and fosters hope for reunion.

5. **Increased Compassion**: Awareness of a shared eternal destiny encourages empathy and kindness toward others.

6. **Motivation for Personal Growth**: The afterlife suggests ongoing development, inspiring self-improvement and learning.

7. **Freedom from Nihilism**: Rejecting the idea that life is ultimately meaningless counters despair and fosters optimism.

8. **Strengthened Relationships**: Belief in eternal connections deepens bonds with family and friends, valuing them beyond this life.

9. **Encouragement of Forgiveness**: An afterlife perspective promotes letting go of grudges, knowing justice or resolution may come later.

10. **Hope for Justice**: The afterlife offers a framework where wrongs unaddressed in life may be balanced, providing solace.

11. **Inspiration for Creativity**: Seeing life as part of a larger narrative sparks imagination and artistic expression.

12. **Resilience in Suffering**: Belief in an afterlife helps endure hardships by viewing them as temporary in an eternal context.

13. **Appreciation for Life**: Knowing this life is a chapter, not the whole story, enhances gratitude for the present moment.

14. **Connection to the Divine**: An afterlife aligns with spiritual traditions, deepening faith in a higher power or cosmic order.

15. **Encouragement of Curiosity**: The mystery of the afterlife fuels intellectual and spiritual exploration.

16. **Sense of Continuity**: Recognizing that skills and experiences carry forward reduces the fear of losing one’s identity.

17. **Support for Altruism**: Belief in eternal consequences encourages selfless acts for the benefit of others.

18. **Relief from Materialism**: Shifting focus from fleeting possessions to eternal values reduces consumerism’s grip.

19. **Empowerment Through Agency**: Knowing the soul persists reinforces the importance of choices and their lasting impact.

20. **Harmony with Nature**: An afterlife perspective fosters respect for the interconnectedness of all life, seen as eternal.

21. **Inspiration from Role Models**: Stories of afterlife experiences (e.g., near-death experiences) provide uplifting examples of courage and wisdom.

22. **Joy in Existence**: Embracing the afterlife instills a profound sense of wonder and joy in being part of an infinite reality.

These reasons are derived from Betty’s discussions on how the evidence for an afterlife—drawn from phenomena like near-death experiences, mediumship, and reincarnational memories—can transform one’s worldview. He argues that accepting this evidence shifts life from a finite, materialistic framework to a richer, more hopeful paradigm, aligning with both philosophical and religious insights.

If you’d like a deeper dive into any specific reason or the evidence Betty uses to support these claims, let me know!