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Discussions with Grok
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These Grok adventures are getting very interesting! We could try asking Grok to include the following concepts into the equations.
Consciousness (inversion of gravity via conformal inversion)
Bi-metric gravity
P-adic numbers
Unstable gravity waves
Spinors
Geometry
Mathematical symbol of Big Bang / 7th Density
Sonoluminescence
Fractals
Consciousness (inversion of gravity via conformal inversion)
Bi-metric gravity
P-adic numbers
Unstable gravity waves
Spinors
Geometry
Mathematical symbol of Big Bang / 7th Density
Sonoluminescence
Fractals
There are a few "Cassiopaean puzzles" we still haven't solved. I wonder if Grok could help.
Find the geometric arrangement of prime numbers
Translate prime numbers into musical notation
"If only you can reconcile your matrix numerically..."
Find the meaning of the C's quoted statements (see thread Compilation of the Cassiopaea Contact's quoted statements. )
Find the geometric arrangement of prime numbers
Translate prime numbers into musical notation
"If only you can reconcile your matrix numerically..."
Find the meaning of the C's quoted statements (see thread Compilation of the Cassiopaea Contact's quoted statements. )
FM258
Jedi
I have been playing with Grok3 also...what impresses me is how polite and witty this AI is...makes humans look like boring dullards.
When Grok gets something wrong, based on outdated info, he apologizes and promises to do better.
He was on the fence about false flag gov attacks, but when I listed a few and asked for more, he no longer thinks its fringe....wow.
Just throwing it out there.
When Grok gets something wrong, based on outdated info, he apologizes and promises to do better.
He was on the fence about false flag gov attacks, but when I listed a few and asked for more, he no longer thinks its fringe....wow.
Just throwing it out there.
EricLux
Jedi Council Member
One of the Cs puzzles still unsolved is the nature of the REAL 4th “dimension” of space.
This notion is central, as it appears to be THE key to breaking out of the 3D rut and stepping back from our usual terrestrial vision. It's THE key to understanding the mathematical representation of the matter-antimatter matrix at the heart of our physical reality, as we need to resort to the true 4th “dimension” of space to convert our vision of the 3D cube into a 4D matter-antimatter interaction matrix. This puts us on the road to a possible expansion of our concept of gravity as advised by the Cs. Indeed, this 4D matrix seems to manifest itself as the archetypal physical-etheric relationship (A : Gravity binds all that is physical with all that is ethereal through unstable gravity waves!!!) as a special case. Thus, apprehending the nature of the true 4th “dimension” would open the door to the nature of unstable gravity waves that make the nature of quantum reality clear (A : Unstable gravity waves unlock as yet unknown secrets of quantum physics to make the picture crystal clear.). I'm working on it, as soon as I have a bit of time, and will post it on the thread dedicated to quantum physics (2025, the "International Year of Quantum Science and Quantum Technologies")
Thus, the nature of the 4th “dimension” of space could explain quantum “oddities” and, above all, the raison d'être and nature of the quantum jumps so often observed in quantum physics : when @ark got confirmation that the 4th “dimension” of space is a frequency of a particular nature, it occurred to me that this would have to involve new mathematics, because 4D is a reality of which we humans are not yet really aware. Yet the Cs tell us (A : With room for alterations the key to quantum jumps is always in discovering “new” mathematics.). Interestingly, quantum jumps are often associated with vacuums between electron orbits. Even if this is a reductive view of the notion of the atom, it would suggest that when we know precisely what kind of frequency characterizes the 4th “dimension” of space, by entering into resonance with it, we could make palpable, visible or even full what is currently perceived as empty. Just like the unimaginable EM waves that have demonstrated their presence, once the right receiver has been designed.
Since the Cs have invited us to replace time with consciousness (A : Replace time with consciousness), which we regard as a 4th dimension of space in our scientific theories, it's interesting to wonder whether what we perceive as matter and emptiness in 3D might not resonate with our personal and collective state of consciousness. In other words, reality manifests itself according to our state of consciousness. So, by changing our state of consciousness, we would enter into resonance with a new manifestation of reality, matter and the void, for which we would have to resort to new mathematics to describe them (following a quantum leap... of consciousness). This would tend to say that our perception of terrestrial and cosmic matter is inherent to our linear perception of time, which is inherent to our level of consciousness.
This leads me to a question posed by @Laura to Grok about unstable gravity waves on this thread : could it be that the unstable gravity waves we need to discover in order to be clear about the foundations and workings of quantum reality are linked as quantum leaps to phase changes during the transition from one state of matter to another ? This would tend to mean that the solid state corresponds to one gravitational equilibrium and the liquid state to another gravitational equilibrium, for example. Would the same apply to the 4D matter-antimatter matrix, which would be different for each state of matter?
Finally, to return to our 4D matrix, the Cs invite us to convert a 3D cube into 4D to obtain the famous matrix we're looking for. This conversion seems to take place at the level of the slots of the new matrix : the Cs advise us to use the phi number or the infinite number, then talk about decimal numbers and play with them. Since the 4th “dimension” of space seems to be linked to quantum jumps, @Natus Videre reminds us that the Cs have, in relation to quantum jumps and new mathematics, talked about p-adic numbers (What about p-edic numbers? Are they important? A : Yes.).
Question: Could it be that the conversion we're looking for to go from a 3D matrix to the 4D matter-antimatter matrix is done using p-adic numbers?
These reflections following @Laura's posts in exchange with Grok make me think that in the search for the mathematical expression of consciousness, or how to access consciousness, when the Cs tell @ark to invert the mathematical representation of gravity, it's all about finding the 4D matrix and approaching it from the antimatter aspect, whereas the matter aspect of the 4D matrix would be about gravity.
It would be fun to come back to the Cs to ask questions about the leads proposed by Grok. In any case, this suggests that AI can be useful, even very useful, as long as the human being remains in charge. Thanks to @Laura for sharing.
Thus, the nature of the 4th “dimension” of space could explain quantum “oddities” and, above all, the raison d'être and nature of the quantum jumps so often observed in quantum physics : when @ark got confirmation that the 4th “dimension” of space is a frequency of a particular nature, it occurred to me that this would have to involve new mathematics, because 4D is a reality of which we humans are not yet really aware. Yet the Cs tell us (A : With room for alterations the key to quantum jumps is always in discovering “new” mathematics.). Interestingly, quantum jumps are often associated with vacuums between electron orbits. Even if this is a reductive view of the notion of the atom, it would suggest that when we know precisely what kind of frequency characterizes the 4th “dimension” of space, by entering into resonance with it, we could make palpable, visible or even full what is currently perceived as empty. Just like the unimaginable EM waves that have demonstrated their presence, once the right receiver has been designed.
Since the Cs have invited us to replace time with consciousness (A : Replace time with consciousness), which we regard as a 4th dimension of space in our scientific theories, it's interesting to wonder whether what we perceive as matter and emptiness in 3D might not resonate with our personal and collective state of consciousness. In other words, reality manifests itself according to our state of consciousness. So, by changing our state of consciousness, we would enter into resonance with a new manifestation of reality, matter and the void, for which we would have to resort to new mathematics to describe them (following a quantum leap... of consciousness). This would tend to say that our perception of terrestrial and cosmic matter is inherent to our linear perception of time, which is inherent to our level of consciousness.
This leads me to a question posed by @Laura to Grok about unstable gravity waves on this thread : could it be that the unstable gravity waves we need to discover in order to be clear about the foundations and workings of quantum reality are linked as quantum leaps to phase changes during the transition from one state of matter to another ? This would tend to mean that the solid state corresponds to one gravitational equilibrium and the liquid state to another gravitational equilibrium, for example. Would the same apply to the 4D matter-antimatter matrix, which would be different for each state of matter?
Finally, to return to our 4D matrix, the Cs invite us to convert a 3D cube into 4D to obtain the famous matrix we're looking for. This conversion seems to take place at the level of the slots of the new matrix : the Cs advise us to use the phi number or the infinite number, then talk about decimal numbers and play with them. Since the 4th “dimension” of space seems to be linked to quantum jumps, @Natus Videre reminds us that the Cs have, in relation to quantum jumps and new mathematics, talked about p-adic numbers (What about p-edic numbers? Are they important? A : Yes.).
Question: Could it be that the conversion we're looking for to go from a 3D matrix to the 4D matter-antimatter matrix is done using p-adic numbers?
These reflections following @Laura's posts in exchange with Grok make me think that in the search for the mathematical expression of consciousness, or how to access consciousness, when the Cs tell @ark to invert the mathematical representation of gravity, it's all about finding the 4D matrix and approaching it from the antimatter aspect, whereas the matter aspect of the 4D matrix would be about gravity.
It would be fun to come back to the Cs to ask questions about the leads proposed by Grok. In any case, this suggests that AI can be useful, even very useful, as long as the human being remains in charge. Thanks to @Laura for sharing.
caballero reyes
The Living Force
Lots of material to think about and discuss later.
This morning I had Grok generate a final document of the discussion and it was 128 pages. Then I asked for just the final conclusions and fully integrated math processes. That was 8 pages. Ark will have a look at it and see if Grok has a clue.
BlueKiwi
Jedi Master
Not sure, and I'm not physicist but would quaternions or octonions be relevant to the formulae here ?
What I find slightly unsettling is the impression I got from Grok that it was fishing for information. Maybe it’s just my natural paranoia and distrust of AI, but I would be very reluctant to give it any info that is not otherwise accessible for it publicly.
I had the same feeling. It may be possible to break it down into A: offering services which it almost certainly can't provide like novel mathematical theories and B: asking trite questions with A dangling like a carrot. But I can see how this pattern could be the result of training Grok with the goal of being a useful assistant combined with the fact that AI is not good at "knowing" it's own abilities.
Edit: A and B do seem to resemble how I remember some individuals approaching Laura and co in the Wave series which generally ended either badly or with little result. I suppose we could also see Grok as a "goon" of sorts which just happens to have these traits which could serve ulterior motives if taken advantage of.
Edit: A and B do seem to resemble how I remember some individuals approaching Laura and co in the Wave series which generally ended either badly or with little result. I suppose we could also see Grok as a "goon" of sorts which just happens to have these traits which could serve ulterior motives if taken advantage of.
Here is the link to the doc. grokCGA.pdf
A couple additional questions added to it today. I'll try to get them included.
What version of Grok has been used for this experiment? Free, Premium or Premium +?
It would seem that all X users now have access to a free limited version, but Grok's features and potential are said to be better for paid users.
It would seem that all X users now have access to a free limited version, but Grok's features and potential are said to be better for paid users.
Laura has a blue check on X, so likely Premium.
Serendipity
Jedi Master
I used Grok as a help when I was trying to solve the clues given by Cs about "alfaalfa fields in Rhineland" and "better 'handl' on it".
Maybe Grok could be used as a better handle on solving those clues, if they haven't been already solved and I missed it.
Some of the clues that I think I solved I posted in there and seem mostly to be in the direction of physics and quantum physics in specific (like 'handl' meaning the letters 'h' and 'l' as the symbols in physics, and the idea of the world turtle holding/supporting the world. Maybe unstable gravity waves are the binder between the turtle's body (ethereal) and it's shell (physical).
Maybe Grok could be used as a better handle on solving those clues, if they haven't been already solved and I missed it.
Some of the clues that I think I solved I posted in there and seem mostly to be in the direction of physics and quantum physics in specific (like 'handl' meaning the letters 'h' and 'l' as the symbols in physics, and the idea of the world turtle holding/supporting the world. Maybe unstable gravity waves are the binder between the turtle's body (ethereal) and it's shell (physical).
Does ancient Egyptian 'djed' symbol represent α, the fine structure constant? In it's 4πα form, in which it appears at more than one instance in physics formulas/relations. You can check the list here.
Pi number can be represented as a circle, so 4π is 4 circles. And the pillar is a symbol of stability and structure, and the same can be said that fine structure constant α represents in the universe.
And it fits with what Cs said "check Atlas indices for names to pique interest". Atlas the bearer of the world, holding the world stable...
Pi number can be represented as a circle, so 4π is 4 circles. And the pillar is a symbol of stability and structure, and the same can be said that fine structure constant α represents in the universe.
And it fits with what Cs said "check Atlas indices for names to pique interest". Atlas the bearer of the world, holding the world stable...
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