CeLegacy said:It is oneness, it is everything, right?
Like we don't believe in a monotheistic god, but rather that everything is everything in a sort. Idk it'd help if any of you had words to say on this :)
Q: (L) OK, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: [...] (T) Is separate the key word in regard to monotheism?
A: Yes.
Approaching Infinity said:I like this little bit from the Cs, March 11, 1995:
Q: (L) OK, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: [...] (T) Is separate the key word in regard to monotheism?
A: Yes.
So God is not 'separate' from creation. It brings to mind the Stoic concept of God as the mind of the cosmos, and the cosmos as the body of God. They are 2 poles of one unity. And the cosmic mind is not all-powerful, just like our minds are not all-powerful. For example, we don't have complete control over our bodies. Each bit of creation has some inherent power, some free will.
Psalehesost said:Approaching Infinity said:I like this little bit from the Cs, March 11, 1995:
Q: (L) OK, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: [...] (T) Is separate the key word in regard to monotheism?
A: Yes.
So God is not 'separate' from creation. It brings to mind the Stoic concept of God as the mind of the cosmos, and the cosmos as the body of God. They are 2 poles of one unity. And the cosmic mind is not all-powerful, just like our minds are not all-powerful. For example, we don't have complete control over our bodies. Each bit of creation has some inherent power, some free will.
I think your general idea goes in the right direction, but is incomplete. The 'mind of the cosmos' is not a mind in human terms, but rather something completely beyond our imagination. And then, I do think that it has control over everything; but this control is expressed in terms of the laws of nature (in the broadest sense), i.e. the information structure of reality; and so, everything in existence at every level, and the free will of each 'being', actually amounts to this control.
EDIT: You could perhaps think of the free will of the All as expressing itself through a recursive definition, which branches out to include everything in existence.
Approaching Infinity said:I like this little bit from the Cs, March 11, 1995:
Q: (L) OK, what other illusions?
A: Monotheism, the belief in one separate, all powerful entity.
Q: [...] (T) Is separate the key word in regard to monotheism?
A: Yes.
So God is not 'separate' from creation. It brings to mind the Stoic concept of God as the mind of the cosmos, and the cosmos as the body of God. They are 2 poles of one unity. And the cosmic mind is not all-powerful, just like our minds are not all-powerful. For example, we don't have complete control over our bodies. Each bit of creation has some inherent power, some free will.
I haven't. I'm about a week into this forum and I intend to read all of them :) I'll do that then come back :DLaura said:Have you read "The Wave" where these sorts of things are discussed at length? Also, the Secret History of the World books 1, 2, and 3?
Is there an order I should read them? Like is there some information in The Wave that would help me understand the Secret History better?Laura said:Have you read "The Wave" where these sorts of things are discussed at length? Also, the Secret History of the World books 1, 2, and 3?
The same ideas are discussed in both. Secret History has them in a single, systematic package, whereas The Wave goes in chronological order and describes how Laura discovered and developed them. You could start with either one, but I'd say start with Secret History because it's shorter and it's all there, but some people might want to start with the narrative.CeLegacy said:Is there an order I should read them? Like is there some information in The Wave that would help me understand the Secret History better?Laura said:Have you read "The Wave" where these sorts of things are discussed at length? Also, the Secret History of the World books 1, 2, and 3?
Mr. Premise said:The same ideas are discussed in both. Secret History has them in a single, systematic package, whereas The Wave goes in chronological order and describes how Laura discovered and developed them. You could start with either one, but I'd say start with Secret History because it's shorter and it's all there, but some people might want to start with the narrative.CeLegacy said:Is there an order I should read them? Like is there some information in The Wave that would help me understand the Secret History better?Laura said:Have you read "The Wave" where these sorts of things are discussed at length? Also, the Secret History of the World books 1, 2, and 3?
Psalehesost said:Going to the heart of the matter, if there is a separate creator and creation, then this duality is a kind of structure. As such, it is defined by laws which are greater than this structure, which again means that 'god' is not 'god'.
CeLegacy said:It is oneness, it is everything, right?
Like we don't believe in a monotheistic god, but rather that everything is everything in a sort. Idk it'd help if any of you had words to say on this :)