Tigersoap said:
I knew by reading Anton Lavey a few years back (yeah I know, it's all that heavy metal music that corrupts one's soul ) that he said (I quote from memory) : Someone who does not believe in curse will be an easier target that someone who knows that they work and will protect himself.
But I suppose you'd have to be very careful about the veracity of what he's saying.
I'll try to elaborate a bit on my previous post. Please forgive any repetitions.
Lavey was a bit of a clown. Even Crowley was little more than a selfish hedonist. Stuff may have worked for them because like true Satanists, these are worshippers of the STS way as a kind of ideal. The term 'Satanist' is just a doctrinist formation for STS worship, and because these people are pure believers in the STS way, they have conviction, and for the most part are more effective than the doctrinists of "good" who are full of turmoil and inner conflict, or are just hypocrites.
For a curse to be effective, a victim has to believe in the effectiveness of STS at least on a subconscious level. Since most people do believe that selfishness seems to have its way most of the time, they already support the curser to a certain degree. These beliefs go far deeper than faith in a specific cultural motif.
Again, knowledge protects when we realize the true nature of our fear of the power of selfishness and psychic malignancy, and when we begin to decondition ourselves from those very deep patterns. Thus, a person who does not believe in curses, may not believe in them consciously, but may still react as "prey" in the face of malevolence. The only way to deal with a predator is to first stop seeing oneself as prey.
A curse is an energy pattern of entropy imposed upon an individual, groups, places, things and/or events (just my personal definition, Brent).
The pattern is real, and can act in many ways, some of them explainable (such as suggestion), others not readily explainable (such as "accidents" and diseases resulting from such effects). In all cases, however, the curse is like an infection upon the being.
Most of us can feel the impact of the malevolence, rage and hatred we encounter in small doses day to day, and if it is intermittent, it usually does not have drastic effects. When such energies, however, are sustained and focused upon us in a deliberate manner the results can be more profound, and then we have to understand what is going on, and find ways to boost our psychic immune systems.
I think Lavey was referring to the fact that most people already respond to energies forced upon them, no matter their beliefs, because their degree of consciousness is low. In those cases (which constitute the majority of people), one tends to ignore what is going on, lacks knowledge and is more vulnerable than a person taking conscious action.
From my experience, I gather that curses never "leave" the perpetrator until the entropy has transferred completly to the victim (whereby the intended result is attained). Until the result is attained, there is a subtle connection between perpetrator and victim. If the entropy does not transfer to the victim, it tends to vibrate into the perpetrator, and the latter becomes the victim of their own curse.
Experienced cursers can dissipate this energy into the environment (hence affecting others in a diluted fashion), but this is highly stressful to them because they cannot break the link to the original victim until the energy runs its course, and at the same time must channel it elsewhere or keep pushing till something gives (them or the "victim").
The truth of curses is that the most vulnerable party is the perpetrator. This is because the victim has a choice and the perp has made his or hers. Ignorance and/or disinformation prevents the victim from realizing the power of their free will in such a matter.
True knowledge can "teach" to deflect these entropic energies in an automatic manner. For knowledge to be empowering it must become an applicable conviction, similar to the power of faith, but without its blindness. Usually, this learning toward immunity is gradual, where one first is able to deflect low-level malevolence and then the stronger more focused forms of it.
A more advanced state of knowledge includes the ability to absorb and transmute these energies, to reverse the entropy by liberating the pattern from the medium of transfer, which includes the psyche/body of the victim and that of the perpetrator. This prevents subsequent environmental pollution occuring through pure deflection.
A side effect of this is that the entropy generating dynamics in the perpetrator are nullified, and the victim can gain amplification in his or her pattern (thoughtform) generating potential. STS occultists extensively curse people for this reason, as a form of psychic cannibalism (which implies consuming the psychic potential of the victim as opposed to just the energy, which is vampirism).
The intended victim can transmute the entropy, and disempower the perpetrator in that manner. There is no breach of free will in this, because the perp is the responsible and causal party. In more organized STS idealists, the weakest members of the group get to be sacrificed for the failures of the leaders.
Similarly, when groups amounting to populations support these leaders, large numbers of people can pay the price. That is why many STS groups seek to expand membership, and seek to keep the masses enthralled under their illusions. They need cannon fodder.
This forum is a bit of a curse magnet, no doubt about it, given the ill will directed against it. The group dynamic cushions the effect greatly, however. When one, therefore, learns from the experience modes such as discernment (which is the foundation of making right choices), and is sincere and aware of what is going on within, the entropy does not seep into the subconscious where it can do real damage.
In this case individuals are not targeted, so although there is stress by induction, it is of a more impersonal nature, seeking to disrupt the group dynamic more than anything. On the other hand, if the group dynamic is disrupted, its key elements can be targeted with a high focus, which would not be pleasant.
Learning is one way to transmute the energies of entropy, because the stimulus is expended as learning creates a reorganization within the psyches making up the group. The larger and more coherent the group, the greater the cushioning. The greater the learning, and the greater the determination of the group to learn, the greater the degree of transmutation.
This has a dual positive effect besides that of learning immunity. The attackers are first slowly disempowered, and second their attention is taken away from areas where conscious learning has not taken root, hence giving others not in the group some room to think more clearly.
The attackers themselves are really the one's trapped here, because they cannot stop attacking (because the group is generating knowledge for all anyway), and they cannot stop being the mediums of the group's learning, and hence accelerating the learning.
The challenge for the group is to keep the pace of the learning and its application parallel to the pace of the entropy confronting it. This is like a weighlifter developing strength to lift more weight. For maximum strength, proper pacing is needed, and sincerity in the group allows feedback with the learning that insures this pacing.
Visualization is an auxilliary method. It can help because it gives visual form to awareness, but alone it is just generating images. What makes it effective is sensory integration in the imaginative process, coupled with knowledge. Visualization needs to align with the sense of one's presence, and true "I". It then generates a symbol in the mind of what is a tangible presence.
So just imaging light does nothing, but giving meaning to that light, sensing it in your whole being as your very soul, coming into self-knowledge of your true "I", and knowing (as opposed to just declaring) you are in the right, can greatly support the true effect, which is the power of choice.
A great help is placing the myths of occult power in their proper perspective, and knowing that most of what STS idealist promote is nothing but psychopathic ramblings. Notice how many manipulators go on and on about occult "powers". Actually the word "occult" is a psychopathic inside joke.
It refers to what is "hidden", only this case what is hidden is not seen because it does not exist. We, therefore, need to learn to see what is hidden and DOES exist so we don't waste our energies playing by the rules that favor psychopaths.
If large scale manipulators had real power they would not need a matrix to conceal them. A person of power does not need to hide in dark corners, and live through lies. Why else would they have demonized the concept of "dark", which has no intrinsic malevolence?
It is not the dark, but it's ability to conceal them that they favour. Yet, the dark can be reclaimed, in the way a blind person learns to feel their way around with senses other than seeing. Then it ceases to be a hiding place for evil. Then it's practically game over for the predators. Seeing is dependent on light, so the metaphor of seeing the unseen can be extended to sensing, feeling, hearing (pure vibratory perception) in the dark.
In that sense, the dark is simply the inability to perceive or sensory impotence. Yet entropic parties have extended the properties of ignorance to nature herself, and anything that absoarbs and magnetizes.
The natural dark absorbs energies, but does not annihilate them. The entropic denizens claiming alliance to the dark do so. What entropic individuals do is take life and turn it to toxicity. What is so "dark" about that?
The natural dark itself absorbs energies in the same way the ground absorbs the roots of a tree, just as the branches grow into the light. The dark as nature and the "lower self" can give us solid ground, and by generating myths about it, and physical nature in general, entropic parties monopolize it through their arbitrary territorializations.
For many the dark signifies the unknown. Here also entropic parties fool us, by playing on our fears. The truth is they have no claim upon it because the unknown is a state where all possibilites are present in potential. Choice is what brings them out, and by playing on our fears certain parties seek to make us think we don't have a choice.
If we can understand the games entropic parties play, as individuals throwing curses or more organized groups cursing humanity and the planet as a whole so they can consume it to destruction, we can turn the tables on them, because in the end their rules are arbitrary. This is also how knowledge protects.