Do some French people see what's going on? Yellow Vest Protests

yumi said:
maybe it's about reversing the problem:
"in front of fires", "people standing up", "performing", "promoting", "media", "enjoying", "crediting an obsessive interest"
why?
because some wish for a limited and controllable compensatory response ?
passionate grip / controlled reasoning

"Stand up, yes, stand up,

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Maybe my post wasn't clear. In the Truthstream Media video, they saw how the media was focusing on the car fires and other mayhem happening in the protests. The police did not do anything to stop it and took a long time to call fire trucks to stop the fires. They think that this is by design to make the protests look like it's violent/destructive. I agree with their observation- same thing happened in protest against the WTO, etc.

These things were not common, but to show the world- these images of cars on fire were focused on.
And a lot of these news posts show people standing in front of fire or destruction, including articles mentioned here.

That to me, is propaganda to make the protests look like those people in France are crazy- violent- destructive. They are not, they are people like you or me that are sick of corporate welfare from the government while socialism is being destroyed.

The ones who set the car fires and broke things were FALSE protestors, in many cases found out to be "agent provocateurs" which means loosely translated "agents of provocation". This is exactly what the COINTELPRO/elites want to do, they want to take any legitimate social movement and turn it into a crazy thing. Same thing in the USA/Canada with the social justice warriors who give the current right leaning government a reason to push their agenda.
 
Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. Maybe my post wasn't clear. In the Truthstream Media video, they saw how the media was focusing on the car fires and other mayhem happening in the protests. The police did not do anything to stop it and took a long time to call fire trucks to stop the fires. They think that this is by design to make the protests look like it's violent/destructive. I agree with their observation- same thing happened in protest against the WTO, etc.

These things were not common, but to show the world- these images of cars on fire were focused on.
And a lot of these news posts show people standing in front of fire or destruction, including articles mentioned here.

That to me, is propaganda to make the protests look like those people in France are crazy- violent- destructive. They are not, they are people like you or me that are sick of corporate welfare from the government while socialism is being destroyed.

The ones who set the car fires and broke things were FALSE protestors, in many cases found out to be "agent provocateurs" which means loosely translated "agents of provocation". This is exactly what the COINTELPRO/elites want to do, they want to take any legitimate social movement and turn it into a crazy thing. Same thing in the USA/Canada with the social justice warriors who give the current right leaning government a reason to push their agenda.

of course, it's "the same thing that can be seen everywhere", surprising?
it's "divinely devious"
I don't see the pleasure of watching a car burn, and I ask myself what justifies the means?
 
of course, it's "the same thing that can be seen everywhere", surprising?
it's "divinely devious"
I don't see the pleasure of watching a car burn, and I ask myself what justifies the means?

Yeah, though many people here in the USA, like my father who believes in the right- see that as some kind of reason that these protesters are wrong. What better way to not give fairness than to make those who fight for it look like crazy people (when they are not).
The right wing here also thinks that building a wall between USA and Mexico will stop illegals. How about they go after those companies that HIRE THE ILLEGALS ILLEGALLY, instead of pretending like a wall will fix it.
 
It serves 3 purposes: give reason to the discourse of Macron, who treated the Gilets jaune of savage and violent people, give a wrong image of the Gilets jaunes and mounting the tension, so the spirale of violence.
 
"Political police": the opposition is protesting against the arrest of Yellow Vest Eric Drouet

From La France Insoumise (LFI) to Rassemblement National (RN) to Debout la France (DLB), Eric Drouet's arrest has been heavily criticised by the opposition, which denounces an "authoritarian drift" by the government, and questions the reactions it would have provoked if it had taken place in Russia.

The arrest on 2 January of Eric Drouet - a member of the Yellow Vests movement - while participating in an undeclared rally to pay tribute to the wounded and dead on the fringes of the movement, provoked a strong reaction from the opposition.

The leader of LFI, Jean-Luc Mélenchon, who had heavily praised Drouet a few days earlier, denounced in a Twitter message an "abuse of power". "A political police now targets and harasses the leaders of the Yellow Vest movement," he said, before calling for Eric Drouet's release.

"The escalation of repression must stop," LFI speaker Danielle Simmonet said, indignant at the "authoritarian drift" of Emmanuel Macron's power in order to be able to "continue to impose his policy at all costs in the service of the richest".

The Insoumis MP Adrien Quatennens has opted for derision, drawing a parallel with the Benalla affair, which is once again putting the Elysée in difficulty. "Eric Drouet arrested. And Benalla is fine?", he wondered.

"If it were in Russia, self-righteous souls would be outraged!"

This arrest caused a similar reaction on the right of the political spectrum, as did Gilbert Collard, Member of Parliament for the Rassemblement national, who described it as "a real scandal". "If it were in Russia, self-righteous souls would be outraged," he said ironically in a Twitter message.

"The self-righteous souls who spend their day here spewing vomit at the yellow vests would rush to denounce these scenes, hand on heart and tear in the eye, if they took place in Russia or Trump's America," noted Les Patriotes' President Florian Philippot, summing up a sentiment common to several right-wing parties.

Marine Le Pen denounced: "Emmanuel Macron's snarly New Year's eve's address along with the systematic violation of the political rights of his opponents paint a terribly worrying picture of Emmanuel Macron.

The analysis is also shared by Damien Lempereur, spokesman for the sovereignist party Debout la France. "I expect - for the sake of consistency and intellectual honesty - the same outraged reactions from those who are outraged by the arrests in Moscow of Navalny for illegal demonstrations: editorialists, the EU, Bernard-Henry Levy, Glucksmann, LREM, the Socialist Party, etc.," he argued, stating that the government was focusing on both the wrong "opponent and priority".

Developing the idea that the government was not targeting the right enemy, Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, President of Debout la France, sees Eric Drouet's arrest as an expression of a power which is "harsh towards its political opponents but lax towards the scum, the S-card individuals, the rapists". "Enough with the double standards," he said, outraged.

Was the whole political class outraged? Almost....

For their part, the majority members defended the activist's arrest.

"This is called respect for the rule of law [...] When someone organizes a demonstration when it is not declared, it is because he does not respect the rule of law", justified Minister of Economy Bruno Le Maire on France Inter.

"In a Republic, order is important[...] The Republic is not anarchy[...] It is normal that when one does not respect republican law, one pays the consequences," Minister of Public Accounts Gérald Darmanin said on CNews.

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator

 
Yeah, though many people here in the USA, like my father who believes in the right- see that as some kind of reason that these protesters are wrong. What better way to not give fairness than to make those who fight for it look like crazy people (when they are not).
The right wing here also thinks that building a wall between USA and Mexico will stop illegals. How about they go after those companies that HIRE THE ILLEGALS ILLEGALLY, instead of pretending like a wall will fix it.
I hope we are aware that it is indeed the same diverging version of history that is shown, the drama of separation, and the true story that interests us, deep down, it is the joy of reunion.
it seems balanced.
the devil is divisible, it is a weak point to be fragmented.
 
From La France Insoumise (LFI) to Rassemblement National (RN) to Debout la France (DLB), Eric Drouet's arrest has been heavily criticised by the opposition, which denounces an "authoritarian drift" by the government, and questions the reactions it would have provoked if it had taken place in Russia.

The arrest on 2 January of Eric Drouet - a member of the Yellow Vests movement - while participating in an undeclared rally to pay tribute to the wounded and dead on the fringes of the movement, provoked a strong reaction from the opposition.

I think that's going to backfire on Macron big time. One would think that the government wanted to calm things down by simply letting people get tired and forget about the whole movement - not give them another good reason to be enraged!
 
divide by zero, without necessarily seeking hidden motivations, the media have in any case a logic that is their raison d'être, it is to show strong images: we know that a good quiet little life does not make any scoop and does not meet the public's need for sensation. It has reached the point where when the coverage of an event is not cinematographic enough, they go so far as to employ actors to play false witnesses. So, a car that burns, who ever lit it, is a blessed bread.

These media probably have, moreover, their own reasons for wanting to put forward this vision of things, I agree, but in any case, it is a little in their genes anyway, just for fun.
 
It is also the limit of these media. They say: see, what's happening and all the attention is focused on the abnormality of this burning car. Whoever lit it, is it a yellow protest vest, is it a suburban scum, is it a plainclothes policeman or some guy in the service of a hidden power whose interest is that the situation gets out of hand? That, we won't know and it's not mentioned in the comments. We'll just remember "cars burning in the street in Paris", Oh my God, but where are we gonna spend our holidays?
 
It is also the limit of these media. They say: see, what's happening and all the attention is focused on the abnormality of this burning car. Whoever lit it, is it a yellow protest vest, is it a suburban scum, is it a plainclothes policeman or some guy in the service of a hidden power whose interest is that the situation gets out of hand? That, we won't know and it's not mentioned in the comments. We'll just remember "cars burning in the street in Paris", Oh my God, but where are we gonna spend our holidays?
have you seen the beginning of the projection on the triumphal arch of New Year's Day. "the tower of babelle that collapses"
 
Opposition sentiment continues to grow.

75% of French disapprove of Macron govt, poll reveals as Yellow Vest rallies simmer
Published time: 4 Jan, 2019 07:34

Translated from French by Microsoft
🇫🇷 mobilization: The #5janvier will take place #ActeVIII #giletsjaunes. A request for an event for 14h in front of the town hall was #Paris deposited at the prefecture. Other rallies are planned to,,, #Bordeaux #Lille.. #Nice #Toulouse. Will #EricDrouet participate.

Nader: What America Can Learn From Yellow Vests pt. 2
Published on Jan 3, 2019 / 18:12
 
Last weekend they had a little rally in town sq. (sat), at about 11:00 hrs.

I had a vest colors on (as I was out dirt bike riding). A Gendarme officer looked at me, and say "your late". I just smiled, and watched the group slowly disband for that day. The police were non confrontational and directed traffic. Comme la vie!

https://twitter.com/LPLdirect/status/1081500726856245248
Translated from French by Microsoft Video
🇫🇷 below the Arc de Triomphe, the police block them in #ChampsElysées order to Nasser them #GiletsJaunes and prevent them from going further. The demonstrators were all searched at least twice. Masks have been confiscated. #ActeVIII #5Janvier


Translated from French by Microsoft
🇫🇷 FLASH- #GiletsJaunes blocks traffic on them #ChampsElysées by singing "Emmanuel #Macron, we're coming to get you home." They are between 600 and 700 to be mobilized on this avenue for the #ActeVIII. #5janvie



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https://twitter.com/DIRECTPO/status/1081491120109031425
50m 50 minutes ago Video
Face a face avec les gendarmes mobiles a #SaintNazaire sur le pont
Translated from French by Microsoft
Face to face with mobile Mounties a #SaintNazaire on deck

 
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