Do some French people see what's going on? Yellow Vest Protests

[whitecoast]

Now the 64 million dollar questions is, what triggered that explosion.

My immediate cynical reaction was that it was another terrorist attack. After thinking on it more, it could also be possible that the chaos and upheaval in France could be inducing anomalies of a possibly electrical nature that makes some of these accidents more likely.

 

[loreta]

Word was that there was the smell of gas, and was being investigated by the fire department an hour before it lit off.

Now the 64 million dollar questions is, what triggered that explosion.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084184519694077952

Wow, this is incredible. Evidently it can smell gaz after the boom, becase there is gaz int the house but... when an explosion of gaz occurs it seems to me that the house opens, like what happened in Russia at Christmas time. Here a picture.

 

[thorbiorn]

How would the Yellow Vests fit into this plan: France and Germany to merge economic and defense polices -- Sott.net In case the US is not interested in more EU independence also considering moves like Europe supports lifting of US sanctions against Russia's Rusal & En+ -- Sott.net perhaps they would go as far as to promote disruption and what easier way than to stir waters already troubled

 

[Ca.]

Amongst the tragedy, and hope the French people carry on, United.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084139432079446017

Translated from French by Microsoft
Shocked: Someone gets put violently to the ground by the cannon, sounded he can not get up, by a surge of solidarity several people rush to help him and they are bombarded with water cannon + grenades while someone is on the ground #GiletsJaunes #ActeIX

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084402106226888705

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084376706604060672

Translated from French by Microsoft
[threats] A policeman threatened the journalist Frédéric Aigouy (RT France) who was filming the protest #GiletsJaunes #Toulouse. The reporter is under a control, the policeman arrives and says "Don't film me, or I'll pop your phone". #ActeIX

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084111130061168640

Translated from Russian by Microsoft
Grandpa on the accordion played by the passing protesters who performed Bella Chao. Very positive atmosphere. #GiletsJaunes #YellowVests

Le Monde
A Bourges, la rage intacte des « gilets jaunes »
In Bourges, the intact rage of "yellow vests"
Posted today at 05:37, updated at 08:12
Snip: Philippe Escande 4 minute Read. Video

Let's finish with the numbers to be able to talk about serious things: according to the prefecture of Cher, 6,300 people demonstrated in Bourges at the call of "yellow vests". It is a success of the organizers who, for the first time since the beginning of the movement, in mid-November, called for a national gathering in a city in regions. Bourges, chosen at the initiative of the collective Angry France and in particular two of its leaders, Maxime Nicolle and Priscillia Ludosky, had been designated for its position in the geographical center of France. And not because its inhabitants would be the "Bourgeois" - as some jokers wanted to believe (they are the Berruyers).

Let's also finish with the question of violence, not innocuous but that ended up occupying all space and minds. Saturday, January 12, the demonstration of "yellow vests" began at 1:30 pm in calm and good humor, place Séraucourt, the main town, where are usually given the great concerts Printemps de Bourges. It ended five hours later in the same place under the fire of tear gas, water cannon and defense ball launchers (LBD), which eventually dislodged the last 300 demonstrators who did not want to leave the camp. without having to fight with the police.
Read also Act IX: 84 000 "yellow vests" throughout France, increased mobilization

The pink cloud of tear gas floating under the plane trees and the bunker canisters give rise to impressive images, the "breakage" of the day was extremely limited: a few bins burned so, two cobblestones torn off, a starry store window . A light casualty among the 410 police and 250 gendarmes mobilized, and three side demonstrators in scuffles. To say nothing or almost nothing.

Since the beginning of the "yellow vests" movement, several journalists have been attacked by protesters.

Published on Jan 12, 2019 / 6:17

 

[Gwelan (too)]

[QUOTE = "Loreta, poste: 786803, membre: 6269"] Wow, c'est incroyable. De toute évidence, il peut sentir à gaz après l'explosion, il y a becase gaz int la maison, mais ... quand une explosion de gaz se produit, il me semble que la maison ouvre, comme ce qui est arrivé en Russie au moment de Noël. Voici une photo.

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[Gwelan (too)]

I am not a specialist, but it seems difficult to me to compare the Paris event with that of Russia, because we do not know how gas is distributed in either case, and in Russia, it happens in a concrete low-rise housing, whereas in Paris, it is an old stone building with a very different design.

 

[loreta]

It is the first time I see a gas explosion where the damage is outside the building. The cars outside completely destroyed reminding us some terrorists attacks in Irak or Syria, I mean damage on the street. A little bomb, maybe? In a car? Or inside the store, downstairs? Remember also that that day, the day of the tragedy, yesterday in fact, people were suppose to take out the money from the banks? A strange coincidence yes indeed. And nobody talked about this anymore.

 

[Arwenn]

I think doing the run on the banks is a great idea, & I hope it is pursued by the YV. Given some of the foolish remarks made by Macron recently about how people in France need to work harder rather than having a sense of entitlement (paraphrasing here, but oh mon dieu what projection!), he is obviously not getting the message. Sure protests draw attention to the problem, but when you hit them where it hurts the corrupt elite might just pay a bit more attention.

Looking at the political discourse in France from SoTT articles it seems to me the elite don’t fully comprehend the brevity and depth of the situation, they seem merely irritated and so are only offereing tokenistic measures that won’t cost them much but they hope will appease the masses. Empty rhetoric at its best. Hit ‘em where it hurts, I say.

 

[Aeneas]

I noticed that the French assault police forces are armed with G36 machineguns. Looking up what these are, it turns out that they first of all are German (thus not supporting French industry and workers) and secondly that they were handed out to the French police forces in the wake of the Paris attacks false flag event in 2015.
So the false flag event provided the excuse for arming the police with assault weapons, which we now see displayed against the French people itself. Coincidence or just long term planning as riots and protests against the police state could be predicted by anyone. It might have been said at the time that it would be to defend against future terrorist attacks and yet the common French people are now seen as the terror threat.

 

[Aeneas]

I noticed that the French assault police forces are armed with G36 machineguns. Looking up what these are, it turns out that they first of all are German (thus not supporting French industry and workers) and secondly that they were handed out to the French police forces in the wake of the Paris attacks false flag event in 2015.

On an afterthought, perhaps the French police thinks that the G36 is not really a lethal weapon, because as it turns out that the German defence minister decided in april 2015 to phase them out as they were useless:

On 22 April 2015, the German Minister of Defence announced that the G36 would be phased out of the German army due to these concerns. Defense Minister von der Leyen considers the weapon to be useless.[29]She stated that the German military will stop using a plastic assault rifle that cannot shoot straight when temperatures increase by 30 °C (86 °F) or the rifle heats up during a firefight.[30]

It seems strange that the French police decides to buy the machinegun to its police force that the German ministry of defence half a year earlier had decided was useless. Perhaps the French police thought they would get more bang for the buck and perhaps even defend the use of it due to its lack of accuracy, thus saying that it is a non-lethal weapon.

 

[thorbiorn]

On an afterthought, perhaps the French police thinks that the G36 is not really a lethal weapon, because as it turns out that the German defence minister decided in april 2015 to phase them out as they were useless:



It seems strange that the French police decides to buy the machinegun to its police force that the German ministry of defence half a year earlier had decided was useless. Perhaps the French police thought they would get more bang for the buck and perhaps even defend the use of it due to its lack of accuracy, thus saying that it is a non-lethal weapon.

A minor issue, but it turns out the G36 was made for peace time missions and low intensity combat missions. The problem with accuracy occurs after rapid fire use of say two magazines or about 60 rounds. This is of course enough for the French police at least at the present level of "battle intensity"
Here are some links which discuss this issue: The Heckler and Koch G36 Rifle: Wonder Weapon or Paper Tiger?

A German court ruled that Heckler and Koch was not liable for the G36’s problems, and that the real problem was the German Army’s specifications. The peacetime German Army, which in 1995 had only peacekeeping missions on the horizon, did not specify a weapon that could hold up to the rigors of sustained fire. In September 2015, German Defence Minister Ursula Von der Leyen announced the Bundeswehr would begin purchasing rifles of a new design in 2019. The competition has been narrowed down totwo weapons , the Heckler & Koch HK433 and the Haenel MK 556.

All armies must balance what they think are normal conditions versus outlying conditions and buy their weapons accordingly. The G36 saga is a story in how weapons narrowly designed for one operating environment can develop glaring shortcomings when forced to perform in new ones. A heavier G36 rifle barrel would have resulted in a weapon better able to maintain accuracy in combat, but less comfortable to carry in peacetime or during peacekeeping duties. Had the G36’s service been limited to peacetime missions, the problem might never have been detected.

Heckler & Koch G36: the rifle held in all the wrong places | DW | 23.04.2015

Those differing "operational environments" are precisely the problem when it comes to the G36, not the rifle itself, say defense and weapons commentators in and outside of Germany.

"There is absolutely nothing wrong with this rifle," said Heinz Schulte, former Jane's Defence Weekly correspondent who now oversees the Griephan international security publication, in an interview with DW.

"The debate going on right now about the 'technical faults' of the G36 is frightfully misinformed," said Schulte, with reference to the fact that the assault rifle was designed, constructed and sold to the Bundeswehr at a time when soldiers engaging in suspended firefights was inconceivable.

"This is comparable to a young man who, as a bachelor, bought a two-seater convertible and now complains that he has a family and they don't all fit into that car!"

Schulte was also skeptical that the G36 would be completely phased out, arguing that a more sensible option would be to update the assault rifle and keep it for operations in which suspended fire is highly unlikely.

"If you fire a machine gun, anybody with any technological sense knows that the barrel has to be changed because the friction of rapid fire makes it too hot. With an assault rifle like the G36, you can't change the barrel, so making a gun like this the standard issue for all military scenarios is simply old thinking."

The Good Friday ambush back in 2010, the starting point for the current debate, led to days of mourning at home
Will the German army jump to a different company for its new rifle? No, said Schulte, explaining there will most likely be a mix of different guns that do justice to the many scenarios in which Bundeswehr soldiers currently find themselves in.

For paratroopers such as those who got caught in the Good Friday ambush in 2010, there will most likely be two options, both Heckler & Koch, said Schulte:

"For situations where intensive fire is needed, it will either be the HK 416 or HK 417, depending on the caliber needed."

In short don't mess with a French policeman with second hand (although perhaps bought from new stock) HK G36!
See also Heckler & Koch HK G36 Assault Rifle / Assault Carbine - Germany
G36C - Heckler & Koch
and for pictures of different versions: Heckler-Koch G36 assault rifle - Modern Firearms

 

[Ca.]

This would be a real game changer if Truckers untied against the current reforms and stopped delivery's.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084756119279542273

Also a tweets showing the damage inflicted by the rubber-ball projectile's.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1084759971936509954

https://twitter.com/x/status/1085096092449030144

 

[loreta]

As one historian wrote some weeks ago, this risk to end with sufferance, death and blood. I don't see a pacifist solution at all, I don't see peace at the end. I don't like that at all.

 

[Ca.]

Here's big one, if it's true. Far to reminiscent of the past, and maybe the future?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1085084936565080064

Translated from French by Microsoft
Identity check in the vicinity of #Bourgthroulde: Police officers don't just check the IDs, they take pictures of them. "It's privacy," says a protestor. They are #giletsjaunes ordered to withdraw their waistcoat "under penalty of 135 euros of fine".

CriticalPast

Soldiers check identification papers of civilians and weed out German soldiers wearing civilian clothes in Duisburg, Germany.

 

[loreta]

I think that what is happening in France is an advice for the rest of Europe. I think that nothing is new in what is happening. In the past the popular movements were crushed up, everywhere. Maybe what is happening now (the violence of the police, the control, etc and this is viewed everywhere thanks to the medias) it is a clear message for the other countries? Maybe "they" are making an experiment with the French? An experiment with police methods about how to control people, how to used grenades, etc. And how the rest of the population is reacting to all of this. How to make the situation more and more "high" till maybe they will start to arrest people and put them in a camp. There is this possibility under the
Treaty of Lisbon. I don't have the sources but under the Treaty the police can arrest and even kill people