Does Jesus approve of the wheat?

[Nienna]

I doubt that people back then knew that wheat, barley, etc. was harmful to the body. And, as Tomiro said, the gluten content of wheat back then was much lower. I'm sure that it still affected the body and mind and emotions, but, maybe, it was more gradual. I doubt people would put the two together

Today, some people don't feel the health issues gluten, and other similar things, cause until much later so it is hard to connect the two. It wasn't until recently that researcher did find the connection. And for those who do get bad effects from it, such as psychological and emotional issues, they just don't have the knowledge to link the two things together - gluten and whatever problem they are suffering from.

So the only way that anyone can question why Jesus didn't say that gluten was unhealthy and and should not be eaten is if that person thinks that Jesus was a omnipotent being. And, since Jesus was most likely Caesar, he was a human who had no clue that it would eventually harm a body, mind and emotions. fwiw

 

[Jacques]

Obyvatel Yes, I made gluten -free diet and "Paleo" for a week. I am less stressed and more energy .

For a week? did you know that you need at least 3 month (if not more) of pure diet "gluen free" or Paleo to really start to see the results?

According to many authors and specifically Maria Emmerich, it takes 6 months to be free of all gluten inside our body.

However she says in her book "Keto-adapted" that if you follow a strict keto-adapted diet that you can see some results after one week.

 

[Beau]

According to many authors and specifically Maria Emmerich, it takes 6 months to be free of all gluten inside our body.

I don't think it's gluten, but rather the inflammation caused by gluten, that can take 6 months to recover from.

 

[s-kur]

I don't think it's gluten, but rather the inflammation caused by gluten, that can take 6 months to recover from.

I think you're right, because my papillomas go away, they become lesser and lesser every day(during 2-3 month gluten-free).
When i experimented and learn effects of gluten on me, except inflammations in a nasopharynx I found emergence papillomas and a stop of their reduction.

may be there are was not wheat as we know it? may be modern wheat and ancient wheat is an absolutely different things? Even as kinds of plants, i mean...

 

[l apprenti de forgeron]

So the only way that anyone can question why Jesus didn't say that gluten was unhealthy and and should not be eaten is if that person thinks that Jesus was a omnipotent being. And, since Jesus was most likely Caesar, he was a human who had no clue that it would eventually harm a body, mind and emotions. fwiw

Yea. And maybe that's why he had so many heart problems. But despite that, he went ahead and fought for the people all his life. :)

 

[Kisito]

According to many authors and specifically Maria Emmerich, it takes 6 months to be free of all gluten inside our body.

I don't think it's gluten, but rather the inflammation caused by gluten, that can take 6 months to recover from.

Obyvatel Yes, I made gluten -free diet and "Paleo" for a week. I am less stressed and more energy .

For a week? did you know that you need at least 3 month (if not more) of pure diet "gluen free" or Paleo to really start to see the results?

According to many authors and specifically Maria Emmerich, it takes 6 months to be free of all gluten inside our body.

However she says in her book "Keto-adapted" that if you follow a strict keto-adapted diet that you can see some results after one week.

I don't think lying to say that I have more energy, or is it the placebo effect! But I do not have a stomach ache and my stools are hard. I think a better transit exhausts us less and helps us to gain energy.

 

[CNS]

I don't think lying to say that I have more energy, or is it the placebo effect! But I do not have a stomach ache and my stools are hard. I think a better transit exhausts us less and helps us to gain energy.

Are you hydrating enough? I think humans should drink about half their body weight in ounces.

Example: if one weighs 160 pounds (72.7 kg), then one should drink 80 ounces (2.4 liters) of water a day.

Fat is a large molecule, and when on a high fat diet, the liver secrets copious amount of bile salts in order to emulsify (separate) the fat. It is then absorbed in the small intestine. Since water follows salts, it's a good idea to make sure one is hydrated properly for good bowel motility.

If you can get your hands on it, I think distilled water is the best. Fwiw.

Also, have you tried magnesium supplementation?

Here is a useful thread:

http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,2354.0.html

 

[MusicMan]

The concept is not about the consumption of wheat; it is about the idea of working on the Sabbath, which is forbidden in Jewish Law. Working, as in picking the food, preparing the food, travelling more than a day's walk to do the work, etc. This is all supposed to have been done the day before.

The Sabbath begins on the Friday at Sundown: "there was evening, and then morning, the first day"

It is also worth considering the Book of Daniel. Daniel decides to eat only bread and water, and after the passage of time, he and those of his followers who used this diet, were healthier than the king and his men who were used to feasting on all kinds of foods.

 

[Alada]

It is also worth considering the Book of Daniel. Daniel decides to eat only bread and water, and after the passage of time, he and those of his followers who used this diet, were healthier than the king and his men who were used to feasting on all kinds of foods.

Or so the story goes. But what if it is exactly that, a story?

Maybe we can question more. Who wrote it? Why did they write it? Have I taken into account the personal / political biases and agendas of the time in which it was written? What chance that any of it is still in any way accurate? Have I allowed for the degradation of the material over time, through mistranslation, deliberate manipulation, substitution of ideas and data, again subject to personal / political biases and agendas through time. All worth considering. ;)

Think I’d rather make dietary choices based on scientific fact, rather than stories from the bible.

 

[truth seeker]

The concept is not about the consumption of wheat; it is about the idea of working on the Sabbath, which is forbidden in Jewish Law. Working, as in picking the food, preparing the food, travelling more than a day's walk to do the work, etc. This is all supposed to have been done the day before.

The Sabbath begins on the Friday at Sundown: "there was evening, and then morning, the first day"

I think this may be the case. What little I've read and understood about the sabbath/shabbat, it seems that it's akin to Christianity's idea of Sunday as a day of rest. In the Jewish religion, my current understanding is that there is to be no work done that expresses 'creativity' or exerts control over one's environment so if we're talking about electricity, no elevators, no turning on ovens, or even light switches. Any corrections welcome.

 

[Kisito]

I found that the gluten-free products, it was sometimes suggested buckwheat, also called black wheat.
As brash as a people are from Africa, and that Palestine is close to Africa, is it possible that jesus or Caesar said to eat buckwheat, the wheat not containing gluten?

 

[CNS]

I found that the gluten-free products, it was sometimes suggested buckwheat, also called black wheat.
As brash as a people are from Africa, and that Palestine is close to Africa, is it possible that jesus or Caesar said to eat buckwheat, the wheat not containing gluten?

Hi Kisito,

Would you please clarify the above statement? Brash in English means 'rude' or 'over-bearing'.

 

[Kisito]

I found that the gluten-free products, it was sometimes suggested buckwheat, also called black wheat.
As brash as a people are from Africa, and that Palestine is close to Africa, is it possible that jesus or Caesar said to eat buckwheat, the wheat not containing gluten?

Hi Kisito,

Would you please clarify the above statement? Brash in English means 'rude' or 'over-bearing'.

Yes thank you CNS, I didn't quite checked the translation. I was talking Sarrazin people. In French it has a double meaning and does not seem to translate properly into English. This means "black" wheat and ancient peoples of North Africa (Arab or Muslim). But the origin could come from a people of Arabia. This is why I thought maybe Jesus would have authorized "black" wheat should be widespread and would never authorized the classic with wheat gluten. Maybe copyists of the Gospels have deleted the word "black" in wheat (Sarrazin-buckwheat). There should be a search for Aramaic and Greek translations whether "buckwheat ("black" wheat) also have a double meaning, apparently not in English.
I hope I made ​​it clear :)

 

[Dirgni]

I found that the gluten-free products, it was sometimes suggested buckwheat, also called black wheat.
As brash as a people are from Africa, and that Palestine is close to Africa, is it possible that jesus or Caesar said to eat buckwheat, the wheat not containing gluten?

Perhaps you should read the material concerning health and diet provided in the forum and the appropriate recommended books. This helps you to decide. Neither wheat nor buckwheat is recommended any more in the forum. But only you can decide for yourself what you want to include in your life. It is your choice.

Buckwheat has a hard shell, you have to remove it before you can eat it. You cannot do that on the go. Buckwheat is no "grass" and therefore has no ears (_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckwheat). I doubt that the writers of the Bible meant buckwheat. Maybe another ear-growing cereal could be mixed with wheat during some translation though. Back then wheat was just food. There is no reason to presume that it was intended by someone to let Jesus approve wheat IMHO.

There are indications that the Roman Empire broke down in a time of major cataclysm. Before quite a lot wheat eaters with Roman names. Afterwards there were few Roman names and few wheat or cereal or fields mentioned in the sources. It seems that they just vanished with the Empire. Caesar mentioned in his books that the Gallic/Germanic tribes were meat eathers. Many Gallic /Germanic names in Early Middle Ages. Recommendation to eat wheat??? Decide yourself.

This Bible text tells about the Jewish rule not to work on Sabbath and Jesus' views. Jews consider(ed) even the very smallest work of picking wheat ears when going "through" a wheat field as work - and therefore forbidden. This is the most minimun "work" I can think of; you just grab on the go. There is nearly no difference of this compared with eating a meal - this is allowed as far as I know. "Jesus" had another view : "Jesus said that the Sabbath was made ​​for man and not vice versa." Rules are there to help when living together. This also means you have to think yourself and decide for yourself as Jesus tried to explain back then IMO. Even if this could mean that you have to go sometimes against the rules of the elite IMO.

This is maybe also about the different view of normal people and the PTB. To follow the rules because you have to follow the rules - no question or discussion - no thinking - is about power of one group over the others. The way of the PTB. When you follow the rules because you have to follow the rule, then this is maybe useless / not helpful / dangerous in the end.

By the way I found the rule to rest a day after a couple of days hard manual work or much (psychological) stress very useful. This is my hard won experience. She / He who rests gets the strength to go another "week". But I still did light activities like cooking, sewing, etc. And I think that this is what this story is about - and to see the difference.

The Bible contains a lot of wise thoughts in my opinion but you have to find them between all the propaganda. You have to separate the wheat from the chaff. This needs collection of knowledge and a lot of pondering IMHO.


Just my 2 cents.

 

[person21]

I think he took part in something called the Feast of Unleavened Bread, and wheat might have been involved. He also had some teachings, like telling his disciples to eat what was set before them when they went out to minister.