Dog's Teat growing bigger

[Jones]

There is much about commercial pet food that is not advertised.

For example meat used in pet foods don't have the same withholding periods after medical/husbandry treatments that meat for human consumption does.

For example, if a farmer treats his herd for a particular parasite the treatment may state that there is a 30 day withholding period after the treatment during which the farmer cannot sell those animals for human consumption - but if the treated animal gets sick and dies within that 30 days the farmer can still legally sell it to pet food manufacturers.

Hell, they don't even have to remove insecticidal ear tags from cows before the carcass is used for pet food.

The sodium pentobarbital that is used to euthanise sick animals apparently survives the rendering process.

So even though I feed raw, I won't give my dog anything that is labelled pet food or not for human consumption. You can often get packs of fresh meat labelled this way but there is no guarantee that the meat hasn't come from a 4 - D source (dead, diseased, disabled or dying) where the animal was either carrying some disease or parasite, or was under some treatment for the same, that could render the meat unfit for consumption.

 

[webglider]

quote from Loreta:

I remember now that some years ago, many many years ago I saw a documentary about animal food and they show that it was made by all others dogs and cats that they are sacrificed from the SPCA( Society for the protection of animals).

I read an article that said basically the same thing. After I read that article, I started giving my dog raw meat. After a few months of that, I had to rush her to a 24 hour vet on a Christmas Eve night because the dog started pooping blood. After I told the vet that I was feeding her raw meat, she told me to stop, but the vet could see that I was not convinced. My dog had to stay overnight, and as I was leaving, the vet came running after me, took me upstairs where my dog was, and showed me this huge puddle of blood that my dog had just excreted was all over the floor. That convinced me to stop feeding her raw meat.

I cook for her now mostly hamburger and chicken and give her a handful of Before Grain dried food for vitamins. She seems healthy and happy. I'd rather give her raw food. If she hadn't had that experience, she would still be eating it.

 

[loreta]

Ok, about this subject I did today a recherche in my memory and at Amazon and find a book that my cat lover friend talked about it, and that me, like a true moron, did not listen. I am really a moron because if I did not look in this subject with intelligence it was by fear. I can criticize vets but I am the first one in acting like a... I don't know what! I saw the documentary by Radio-Canada but I tried to forget it! Hopefully we can mature.

The book is this one: Food pets die for, shocking facts about pet food. by Ann N. Martin

http://www.amazon.com/Food-Pets-Die-Shocking-Facts/dp/0939165317

In this book there is a chapter about "companions animals in Pet food" and also recipes. And much more information that we have to confront if we really care about our pets. I am talking for me because I know that many of you are giving good food to your pets.

 

[Gwenllian]

Much food for thought, thank you. :)

The vet that I have mentioned sells raw meat for dogs. ;)

http://www.beterdier.nl/nieuw/rauw-vlees-voor-uw-hond

Our dog has started eating raw liver (she didn't want to beforehand, it had to be slightly cooked). But I have found that she now starts eating grass in the morning, so that she can vomit later in the day when we go for a walk. I am not sure whether it is the heat or the meat. She always eats grass, but not because she needs to vomit.
I give her left-over pork chops (cooked), but she cannot tolerate that, either, if she swallows it too quickly.
She doesn't seem to have a problem with minced meat or other meat that we sometimes give her as a treat (cooked).
I do not know, but maybe dogs have to adjust to a meat diet again, the way we do? When they have eaten junk food all their lives I expect there to be some challenges.

This is in her 100% certified organic pet food (Yarrah):

cereals (corn, wheat), meat and animal derivaties (23% chicken), derivatives of vegetable origin (soy husks, sunflower seed husks), oils and fats (3,5% chicken fat), minerals, yeasts.

Just the word derivatives makes me shudder. Very vague word. Can mean anything in this context.

A few months ago I found some sheep fat for her on the internet. She loved that.

Anyway, I will make an appointment with a vet here in the village. The one that does not specialise in operations. :/
And I will stop feeding her these dry chunks and see how she responds to raw meat. And give her some ghee or lard?

On behalf of our dog thank you! (no flowers, but a bone instead)

 

[loreta]

I hope your dog will be ok, please tell us how she is and what the vet tells you.

I think me too that dogs have to change the diet, as us. Return to normality, to something healthy.

A big kiss for your dog.

 

[Oxajil]

Hey Mariama, you may also want to take a look at this forum: _http://www.voernatuurlijk.nl/forum/

It's a forum with experienced pet owners who all feed their pets a raw and natural diet. It contains much info, I hope it helps.

 

[Deleted member 8431]

They are full of, not only, carbs, but fillers and other junk that is unhealthy, to say the least, for dogs. Some of those fillers are plastic, dead animals, feces from dead animals, etc.

Get out!

Are you serious?

Feces, from... dead animals?

Yummy. Not!

In wiew of the poisons in human food, it is not hard to imagine the rubbish they put on animals meal.

Absolutely.

There's always money involved to begin with. Much cheaper to fill up the food with corn, wheat, rice and what not. And much cheaper for the 'owner' to buy this as opposed to raw meat and whatever should be part of a real balanced dog diet.

Just put a nice dog photo on the bag, make a cute commercial with a cute dog doing cute things, make it tasty et voilà!

 

[Gwenllian]

They are full of, not only, carbs, but fillers and other junk that is unhealthy, to say the least, for dogs. Some of those fillers are plastic, dead animals, feces from dead animals, etc.

Get out!

Are you serious?

Feces, from... dead animals?

Yummy. Not!

In wiew of the poisons in human food, it is not hard to imagine the rubbish they put on animals meal.

Absolutely.

There's always money involved to begin with. Much cheaper to fill up the food with corn, wheat, rice and what not. And much cheaper for the 'owner' to buy this as opposed to raw meat and whatever should be part of a real balanced dog diet.

Just put a nice dog photo on the bag, make a cute commercial with a cute dog doing cute things, make it tasty et voilà!

I heard that in Germany it is forbidden to take road kills (like a deer for example) home with you. Now I understand why.

@Oxajil, Thanks! You always come up with such lovely resources. :)

And thank you, Loreta, for the hug for my dog. I am sure that hugs/kisses are part of the cure!

@webglider. I reread Zoran D. Jankovic's article 'Raw, as Nature Intended (Dot Connector Magazine 14) yesterday and he suggests probiotics to aid this transition. Have you tried it?

Some more information about the raw diet is to be found here (Zoran's website):

http://vetmalta.com/natural-diet.php

We went to visit the vet yesterday (a two hour walk, thought the exercise would do her good) and indeed it is a lump which is growing on her teat. I thought it was the teat itself that was growing bigger. The vet told us that at least the tumor doesn't grow all over the place (like a cauliflower), which is a good sign, according to her.
I have now packed away all dry food (for emergencies only) and I will definitely restrict her calories. Thanks, Laura.

JayMark, I think you were spot on when you said I had to confront my fears. Now I am not even sure whether I was afraid, it was more as if I was in a state of paralysis. I noticed this before when I had to act with regard to my son's health issues. I go in some sort of slow motion mode and it takes me a long time to act. It must be related to old trauma.

I had the lump checked by a so-called ordinary vet, who immediately talked about an operation, but didn't push me to make a decision, which was good.
I may consult the other vet that uses complementary medicine, when the diet doesn't do the trick. Maybe the growth is already too advanced. But I prefer to get a second or third opinion.

Thank you all again, for the information. :D

 

[Deleted member 8431]

JayMark, I think you were spot on when you said I had to confront my fears. Now I am not even sure whether I was afraid, it was more as if I was in a state of paralysis. I noticed this before when I had to act with regard to my son's health issues. I go in some sort of slow motion mode and it takes me a long time to act. It must be related to old trauma.

Glad to hear that. I can see you have progressed Miriama. You know, I also have my own fears and have dealt with many in the past so I understand how hard it can be sometimes to identify the root of it. But it can help trendemously.

I had the lump checked by a so-called ordinary vet, who immediately talked about an operation, but didn't push me to make a decision, which was good.
I may consult the other vet that uses complementary medicine, when the diet doesn't do the trick. Maybe the growth is already too advanced. But I prefer to get a second or third opinion.

That's very good. Getting many opinions gives you more options and from that you'll be able to make perhaps a better choise.

Don't give up!

Peace.

 

[Nienna]

I had the lump checked by a so-called ordinary vet, who immediately talked about an operation, but didn't push me to make a decision, which was good.
I may consult the other vet that uses complementary medicine, when the diet doesn't do the trick. Maybe the growth is already too advanced. But I prefer to get a second or third opinion.

If the other vet is a naturopath or a homeopath, I'd definitely give them a try.

A macaw I had when I was living with my ex-husband, had a growth coming out of his beak. Took him to a homeopath and he gave me some, I think it was nitrous oxide, but not sure as it was several years ago, to put in his water, which after a couple of hours I emptied and then filled it with clean water. I did this every day for quite a while. It shrunk the growth down to nothing. A regular vet, if any would have treated birds, would have wanted to operate, I'm fairly sure, as that is their natural default state.

I was fairly impressed.

However, depending on how far this tumor has gone, there may be nothing a homeopath can do to resolve it, but you never know.

 

[Gwenllian]

I had the lump checked by a so-called ordinary vet, who immediately talked about an operation, but didn't push me to make a decision, which was good.
I may consult the other vet that uses complementary medicine, when the diet doesn't do the trick. Maybe the growth is already too advanced. But I prefer to get a second or third opinion.

If the other vet is a naturopath or a homeopath, I'd definitely give them a try.

A macaw I had when I was living with my ex-husband, had a growth coming out of his beak. Took him to a homeopath and he gave me some, I think it was nitrous oxide, but not sure as it was several years ago, to put in his water, which after a couple of hours I emptied and then filled it with clean water. I did this every day for quite a while. It shrunk the growth down to nothing. A regular vet, if any would have treated birds, would have wanted to operate, I'm fairly sure, as that is their natural default state.

I was fairly impressed.

However, depending on how far this tumor has gone, there may be nothing a homeopath can do to resolve it, but you never know.

After reading your post, Nienna E., I contacted the homeopath/vet who said I better have the dog checked to see whether the tumour has spread. If we know it hasn't I can contact her again.
So I have made another appointment with another vet in the village who can take some blood or do a biopsy. I will also contact my own homeopath and ask her if she knows another solution. Who knows. She has animals herself.

I had to laugh when you wrote that regular vets would want to operate, since this is their natural default state.

No, JayMark, I won't give up. I have started giving our dog some raw meat and she really likes it. Hadn't expected that. Probably because she has seen our cat eat raw liver and mice. She copies her behaviour apparently...

 

[Deleted member 8431]

My uncle went to the vet for his dog's growing teat.

Vet said, not surprizingly, that an operation was needed.

Among that, her tail has gotten wounded because it had be cut in an innapropriate manner when she was a puppy. Vet said another operation will be needed.

I've also tried to tell my aunt that the dog food might not be so good and that it could expalin why Rosie (dog) is overweight and always out-of-breath. She only replied that it's good food because it has 24% meat protein and no 'bad stuff'.

I know she is most likely wrong (I mean, it's full of corn, rice, wheat, gluten etc. and the whole ingredient list is as long as my arm) but she is close-minded as well as my uncle (on that matter at least). The vets. They know. We don't. The food is good. It's natural (of course, that's why it has virtually no expiration date).



:(

 

[Z...]

I would say the best way is to perform needle aspiration biopsy to determine what kind of cells are involved. Then it depends on the findings.
So it seems you are on the right track, keep us informed.

 

[Gwenllian]

I would say the best way is to perform needle aspiration biopsy to determine what kind of cells are involved. Then it depends on the findings.
So it seems you are on the right track, keep us informed.

Thanks, H.E. :)

We went to see another vet the day before yesterday. She told me that the tumour had not spread and that there was no need for an operation, as long as it doesn't bother our dog. No mention of a biopsy, but I will keep that in mind. I have to keep an eye on the tumour and I will contact the homeopath vet to see if she can do something.
I feel a lot better now that I have adapted our dog's diet. Although she seems to have some problems with raw bones. Her teeth are really bad. But she is trying.

 

[loreta]

Good news! I am very happy for your dog. And that you have found an homeopathic vet. Really happy.