Dominionism - "The Despoiling of America"

Azur said:
There's no question that you have expended energy in looking into things, but I have to ask (from clues here and in other threads), are you looking to find data to fit a particular model?

It appears it was a simple misunderstanding on webglider's part. Perhaps you are seeing things that are not there?


azur said:
Are you searching for data to justify what you have already "gelled" as a mental structure, or are you gathering info to add to a fluid, changeable perception matrix?

And are you, Azur, using convoluted language (again) to appear more well-informed than you are?
 
webglider said:
So the fact that the founder of AIG was a creationist may explain why AIG was bailed out.

Lehman Brothers may not have been bailed out because George Soros had stock in Lehman Brothers. The right HATES Soros. Soros escaped from the nazis during WWII and founded The Open Society Institute which is everything the Christian Right loathes. Below is an article about Soros' March holdings in Lehman Brothers.

I have an alternative explanation.... They had to bail out AIG, as the alternative was not to their liking - not in scale and not in timing. Their whole world would have collapsed and so too, any control they had over it.

I think you will find that their are many 'rotten' fish out there - bad guys of all persuasions with all different labels attached to them. They all 'work' for the one big kahoona bad guy - 4D STS, who doesn't really care what label they have attached to them or what political persuation they come from, as long as they gain benefit for themselves and heirachical negativity.
 
Ruth said:
webglider said:
So the fact that the founder of AIG was a creationist may explain why AIG was bailed out.

Lehman Brothers may not have been bailed out because George Soros had stock in Lehman Brothers. The right HATES Soros. Soros escaped from the nazis during WWII and founded The Open Society Institute which is everything the Christian Right loathes. Below is an article about Soros' March holdings in Lehman Brothers.

I have an alternative explanation.... They had to bail out AIG, as the alternative was not to their liking - not in scale and not in timing. Their whole world would have collapsed and so too, any control they had over it.

I think you will find that their are many 'rotten' fish out there - bad guys of all persuasions with all different labels attached to them. They all 'work' for the one big kahoona bad guy - 4D STS, who doesn't really care what label they have attached to them or what political persuation they come from, as long as they gain benefit for themselves and heirachical negativity.

As Ruth says, there are many players for the PTB. But I just can't help but see how closely the Dominionists ideals are so close to the Zionists ideals. (Okay, they are the same, basically.) The Jews have Yahweh dogging their every breathe telling them how to do what and what will happen if they don't (like the fundamentalist Jews). Then you have the Dominionists' Jehovah hawking the same wares. Do this or you are dead, do that or you are dead.....

And if they want to get rid of players in the game by not bailing them out, well heck, that would just be their style.

Just my two cents
 
I agree with Ruth that the scope of AIG's imminent failure would have had the possibility of throwing the whole world into chaos.
Ruth said:
" They had to bail out AIG, as the alternative was not to their liking - not in scale and not in timing. Their whole world would have collapsed and so too, any control they had over it.

And I am, as Azur suggests, exploring for the idea that the failure to bailout Lehman Brothers may have been, in part, because of the religious right's hatred for George Soros might have been a factor in not saving L.B.

Since I came across the concept of a parallel financial system for the Christian Right, I have been wondering about the size of the system and its influence.

Over the time I have spent reading all the different sites on Sott, I have begun to really appreciate the fact that things are not at all what they seem to be. This non-bailout of Lehman Brothers seemed to me like a possible one of those things, but this is as far as I can take this idea.

George Soros seems to have lost somewhere between 120 million dollars to 380 million when Lehman Brothers collapsed. I have no idea what that means to a man who has billions more, but still, objectively it is quite a hefty sum:

Soros Fund Loss On Lehman May Be $120M
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Billionaire George Soros's hedge fund may have lost at least $120 million on its stake in Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc., mostly acquired in the second quarter, as the investment bank suffered its worst financial result.

Soros Fund Management LLC, which manages $20 billion, purchased 9.47 million shares, or about 1.4% of New York-based Lehman, between March 31 and June 30, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The losses could be as high as $380 million, depending on when Mr. Soros purchased the stake and if he still owns the shares.

If Soros bought the shares at their highest price in the quarter, he would have paid $450 million for his stake. At the lowest value, they would have cost him about $188 million. Yesterday, the stake would be worth about $69 million, if Soros still owns all the shares

Lehman Brothers was the 4th largest investment banking firm in the U.S. and the fallout is huge:

Lehman Lists Debts Of $613 Billion In Chapter 11 Filing Monday

September 15, 2008: 07:51 AM EST


Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEH) filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy Monday in New York, listing debts of $613 billion and naming as unsecured creditors owed hundreds of millions of dollars banks from Tokyo, Hong Kong, New York, Singapore and Taipei, among others.

Topping the list of Lehman's unsecured debts is approximately $138 billion in senior bond debt, followed by another $17 billion in subordinated and junior bond debt, according to documents filed at 1:45 am ET in the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Southern District of New York.

The bankruptcy filing by the Wall Street firm followed a failed effort to find a buyer or persuade the U.S government to bail it out of massive real-estate- related losses. The bankruptcy petition said Lehman's assets are worth $639 billion.

Citibank and the Bank of New York are trustees for the huge load of bond debt that tops Lehman's list of unsecured liabilities, court documents say.

AOZORA of Tokyo is listed as the largest bank lender, with a loan of $463 million. Next is Mizuho Corporate Bank Ltd. of Tokyo, with a $289 million loan.

Additionally, Lehman listed as unsecured debts a $275 million bank loan from Citibank, a $250 million bank loan from BNP Paribas, a $231 million bank loan from Japan's Shinsei Bank Ltd., a $185 million bank loan from UFJ Bank Limited of Japan, a $177 million bank loan from Sumitomo Mitsubishi Banking Corp. of Tokyo and a series of other sizable bank loans.

Mizuho Corporate Bank, Shinkin Central Bank, and Chuo Mitsui Trust & Banking, all of Japan, the Bank of Nova Scotia's Singapore branch, Lloyds Bank in New York, Hua Nan Commercial Bank of Taipei and Bank of China, New York Branch, are all on the list of unsecured creditors owed more than $50 million by Lehman.

The Wall Street firm said none of the broker-dealer subsidiaries or other subsidiaries of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. will be included in the Chapter 11 filing and all of the broker-dealers will continue to operate. Customers of Lehman Brothers, including customers of its wholly owned subsidiary, Neuberger Berman Holdings LLC, may continue to trade or take other actions with respect to their accounts, Lehman said.

The Lehman board authorized the filing of the Chapter 11 petition in order to protect its assets and maximize value, the firm said.

The New York law firm of Weil Gotshal & Manges is representing Lehman Brothers. The case has not yet been assigned to a judge.

-By Peg Brickley, Dow Jones Newswires; 215-462-0953; peg.brickley@dowjones.com



George Soros founded and funds Moveon.org, and which he used to try and defeat George Bush in 2004.
He's an atheist and contributes to many liberal causes.

http://www.crosswalk.com/1236027/

George Soros' Atheism Fuels Conservative Rage
Robert B. Bluey
Staff Writer
(CNSNews.com) - Conservatives are fuming over the $15.5 million that billionaire financier and philanthropist George Soros has pledged to defeat President Bush. But they're also anxious to fight back and expose what they consider to be Soros' "immoral" beliefs and atheist leanings.

Several prominent conservatives told CNSNews.com that Soros' "moral bankruptcy" would prove disastrous for the Democratic Party. The liberal groups that have benefited from Soros' gifts - America Coming Together, MoveOn.org and the Center for American Progress - are run by Democrats and have a close allegiance to the party's candidates.

Soros, who emigrated from Hungary in 1956 and later became a naturalized U.S. citizen, has expressed outrage at the Bush administration's foreign policy, especially its decision to invade Iraq. Soros and his foundation, the Open Society Institute (OSI), follow a strict philosophy that runs counter to Bush's objectives.

The ideas behind Soros' "open society" have fueled the anger among conservatives. The OSI's website states innocently enough that its objectives include "the strengthening of civil society; economic reform; education at all levels; human rights; legal reform and public administration; media and communications; public health; and arts and culture."

Soros has given away nearly $5 billion in his lifetime, but while a significant portion of that money has been spent on pro-democracy movements overseas, some of it has gone to liberal causes in the United States.

From abortion rights groups to drug reform initiatives, Soros' domestic funding generally ends up in the hands of liberals. The self-proclaimed atheist also created the Project on Death in America to generate debate about the dying process and "alleviate unnecessary suffering."

Among the beneficiaries of Soros' largesse is the Center for Reproductive Rights, the pro-abortion group that recently saw its internal strategy plotting memos publicized by a pro-family group, and at the request of U.S. Rep. Christopher Smith (R-N.J.), included in the Congressional Record.

Conservative commentator Armstrong Williams, an authority on Christian values, said Soros wants to destroy the values on which the United States was founded. Williams called Soros "morally bankrupt" and he wants the U.S. Justice Department to investigate his contributions.

"He hates God and his biblical principles. He hates everything that's godly," Williams said. "He's jumping up and down at the thought that same-sex marriages could happen in this country. It's a direct assault on the church, the institutions that restrain and restrict our behavior and remind us of the standard of morality and moral absolutes."

Other conservatives were just as harsh. The Rev. Louis P. Sheldon, founder and chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition, said Soros had to be taken seriously because, "He's the Daddy Warbucks of everything we do not believe in."

"No one knows what demons drive Mr. Soros to consistently fund anti-family agendas," said Robert H. Knight, director of the Culture and Family Institute at Concerned Women for America. "But he seems determined to turn the world upside down and replace morality with immorality."


Surviving Nazi-occupied Hungary

For much of his life, Soros shied away from public attention. It wasn't until after his Quantum Fund became a huge success on Wall Street that he began to dabble in philanthropy around the age of 50.

As a child and teenager, Soros was profoundly shaped as a Jew living in Nazi-occupied Hungary. His father, Tivadar, protected George, his mother Erzebet and brother Paul by obtaining false identities for them. At 14, George assumed the identity of a Christian and was separated from his parents.

"I would say that that's when my character was made," Soros said in a 60 Minutes interview in 1998.

A biography of Soros by former New York Times reporter Michael T. Kaufman detailed the experience. When George was 6 year old, his father changed the family name from Schwartz to Soros to protect the family from the threat of Nazi policies targeting Jews.

After surviving the threat of Nazism, Soros' parents later had to endure a Soviet-led communist takeover of Hungary. They eventually fled the country and united with George and his brother in America.

While these experiences shaped Soros as an individual, he grew fond of the open society philosophy while studying at the London School of Economics. There, a scholar named Karl Popper would become Soros' mentor and influence his thinking of open societies.

According to Kaufman's biography, Soros was born a Jew but only began to take an interest in religion when he was about 12 years old. He had a bar mitzvah a year later. Several of Soros' relatives became Christians, but as time wore on Soros' own faith in a higher being faded. In the 60 Minutes interview, Soros admitted he was not religious and didn't believe in God.

Eliciting controversy and conservative ire

His feelings about Israel generally run counter to traditional Jewish thought. In his new book, The Bubble of American Supremacy, Soros takes a swipe at Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who he blames as much as Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat for the violence in the Middle East.

"Perpetrators are now in charge on both sides," Soros wrote.

At a Jewish Funders' Network appearance in November, Soros' remarks on Israel and anti-Semitism drew an angry response from the Anti-Defamation League. But that controversy died down after critics looked at the full context of his comments, said Michael Vachon, Soros' aide.


Sheldon, head of the Traditional Values Coalition, remained critical of his views on Israel. He said Bush's strong alliance with Israel could partly explain Soros' desire to see the president defeated next year.

Vachon disagreed and noted that Soros is proud of his Jewish heritage. He said the attacks from conservatives are unwarranted, adding that Soros has done more good for people in the world than most critics realize.

"The notion that somehow George Soros is an immoral character is so preposterous," Vachon said. "One doesn't even know how to begin to answer such a ludicrous charge. It's an outrageous claim when you look at the record of the man's life and what he's done."

A former consultant to Soros' foundation, David Rieff, said conservatives appear to be holding Soros to a double standard. Rieff compared Soros to Richard Mellon Scaife, a wealthy conservative who has funded projects frequently criticized by liberals.

"He's putting his money where his mouth is. And as far as the conservative disquiet," Rieff said, "apparently they can dish it out but they can't take it. Like good capitalists, they thought it was the right of rich people to fund the activities that they believed in."

Americans need to be fully informed about Soros, said Robert McGinnis, a former vice president of the Family Research Council who researched Soros' philanthropy while working there.

"Soros has put his money where his beliefs are, and that's the American way," McGinnis said. "They're radical in my estimation, but he certainly has made a valiant effort across the globe. U.S. citizens need to be wary of the fact that he is embracing a pro-drug, anti-life agenda."

The Capital Research Center, which tracks philanthropists like Soros, found that the Open Society Institute has a pattern of giving to liberal groups that support drug legalization, euthanasia, immigrant entitlements and feminism.

"There is a consistent thread through everything he does," said John Carlisle, editor of the center's Organization Trends and Foundation Watch. "He's a devout secular ideologue."

Vachon acknowledged that Soros is a secularist. He also said the billionaire could handle the attacks from conservatives. But Vachon said Soros' concerns extend beyond Bush; he believes the concept of an open society in the United States is threatened.

"He's giving money to a group that wants to see the incumbent Republican president defeated in the next election," Vachon said. "A lot of people are going to attack him. He's hardly surprised by it."

It seems that both the Christian Right and the Zionists might want to punish Soros IMHO.
 
webglider, Soros may not be what you think he is.  There is a bit of information on the forum, if you use the search function.  By all accounts, the fall of Lehman wouldn't hurt Soros at all - so the idea that he is 'being punished' might be a bit misguided...
 
George Soros seems to have lost somewhere between 120 million dollars to 380 million when Lehman Brothers collapsed. [..]
He's an atheist and contributes to many liberal causes.

well, Soros IS backing Obama, ideologically and financially too, so who knows, may be this was a part of the election game.
 
Good job connecting those dots! This is standard operating procedure for Bush. Almost every company he has been involved with went bankrupt, but not before he and his friends cashed out. Same is happening with the whole country.

webglider said:
I just spent hours writing a post connecting the bailout of Bear Stearns and AIG to the a Bush contributor, and a believer in creationism respectively.
If my hypothesis is correct, then that would mean that the Fed used tax payer monies to bail out their friends.

This can't be right.
 
Was doing some blog hopping when I found this piece on the CNP _http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6949&news_iv_ctrl=0&abbr=cs_&JServSessionIdr001=kc07lemi71.app1b

Seems to correlate with a lot of the other articles mentioned thus far.

Behind Closed Doors
October 2004
Who Is The Council For National Policy And What Are They Up To? And Why Don’t They Want You To Know?

by Jeremy Leaming and Rob Boston

When a top U.S. senator receives a major award from a national advocacy organization, it’s standard procedure for both the politician and the group to eagerly tell as many people about it as possible.

Press releases spew from fax machines and e-mails clog reporters’ in-boxes. The news media are summoned in the hope that favorable stories will appear in the newspapers, on radio and on television.

It was odd, therefore, that when U.S. Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.) accepted a “Thomas Jefferson Award” from a national group at the Plaza Hotel in New York City in August, the media weren’t notified. In fact, they weren’t welcome to attend.

“The media should not know when or where we meet or who takes part in our programs, before or after a meeting,” reads one of the cardinal rules of the organization that honored Frist.

The membership list of this group is “strictly confidential.” Guests can attend only with the unanimous approval of the organization’s executive committee. The group’s leadership is so secretive that members are told not to refer to it by name in e-mail messages. Anyone who breaks the rules can be tossed out.

What is this group, and why is it so determined to avoid the public spotlight?

That answer is the Council for National Policy (CNP). And if the name isn’t familiar to you, don’t be surprised. That’s just what the Council wants.

The CNP was founded in 1981 as an umbrella organization of right-wing leaders who would gather regularly to plot strategy, share ideas and fund causes and candidates to advance the far-right agenda. Twenty-three years later, it is still secretly pursuing those goals with amazing success.

Since its founding, the tax-exempt organization has been meeting three times a year. Members have come and gone, but all share something in common: They are powerful figures, drawn from both the Religious Right and the anti-government, anti-tax wing of the ultra-conservative movement.

It may sound like a far-left conspiracy theory, but the CNP is all too real and, its critics would argue, all too influential.

What amazes most CNP opponents is the group’s ability to avoid widespread public scrutiny. Despite nearly a quarter century of existence and involvement by wealthy and influential political figures, the CNP remains unknown to most Americans. Operating out of a non-descript office building in the Washing­ton, D.C., suburb of Fairfax, Va., the organization has managed to keep an extremely low profile an amazing feat when one considers the people the CNP courts.

New York Times reporter David Kirkpatrick was finally able to pierce the CNP veil in August when he attended a gathering of the group in New York City just before the Republican convention, where the organization presented Frist with the “Jefferson Award.”

The Times described the CNP as consisting of “a few hundred of the most powerful conservatives in the country” who meet “behind closed doors at undisclosed locations…to strategize about how to turn the country to the right.”

Accepting the award, Frist acknowledged the group’s power, telling attendees, “The destiny of the nation is on the shoulders of the conservative movement.”

The CNP meeting was perhaps more important than what took place on the carefully choreographed GOP convention stage a few days later, said Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

“The real crux of this is that these are the genuine leaders of the Republican Party, but they certainly aren’t going to be visible on television next week,” Lynn told The Times days before the start of the GOP convention. “The CNP members are not going to be visible next week, but they are very much on the minds of George W. Bush and Karl Rove every week of the year, because these are the real powers in the party.”

The Times’ Kirkpatrick was able to obtain the CNP’s current membership list and reported that its roster includes Focus on the Family founder James C. Dobson, Paul Weyrich of the Free Congress Foundation, Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association and Grover Norquist, head of Americans for Tax Reform. A CNP financial disclosure form for 2002 lists Norquist and Howard Phillips, founder of the ultra-conservative Constitution Party, as directors. The current president of the group is Donald P. Hodel, former executive director of the Christian Coalition.

Other CNP directors include names that would not mean a lot to most people, but they are key players in the right-wing universe. Becky Norton Dunlop is vice president for external relations at the Heritage Foundation. James C. Miller III is former director of Citizens for a Sound Economy. Stuart W. Epperson owns a chain of Christian radio stations. E. Peb Jackson is former president of Young Life. T. Kenneth Cribb Jr., vice president of the CNP, was a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald W. Reagan and runs the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, a group that funds right-wing newspapers on college campuses. Ken Raasch is a businessman who works in partnership with popular artist Thomas Kinkade.

Others who have been affiliated with the CNP include TV preachers Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson, longtime anti-feminist crusader Phyllis Schlafly, Iran-Contra figure turned right-wing talk radio host Oliver North, former U.S. Sen. Jesse Helms (R-N.C.), wealthy Cali­fornia savings and loan heir Howard Ahmanson, former House Majority Leader Dick Army (R-Texas), Attorney General John Ashcroft and Tommy Thompson, secretary of the U.S. Depart­ment of Health and Human Services.

Republican Party glitterati and top government officials frequently appear at CNP meetings. During the gathering before this year’s GOP convention, The New York Times reported that several Bush administration representatives were scheduled for speeches. Under­secretary of State John Bolton spoke about plans for Iran, Assistant Attorney General Alexander Acosta talked about human trafficking and Dan Senor, who worked for Paul Bremer in Iraq, was scheduled to talk about the war there.

The Times said the CNP meeting was focused on the Bush-Cheney re-election efforts and quoted an anonymous participant who called the gathering a “pep rally” for the president’s campaign. Passing a federal marriage amendment and using that subject as a wedge issue was also a top priority.

The newspaper noted that another CNP meeting that took place shortly after the American invasion of Iraq included visits from Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. A Canadian newspaper reported that Rumsfeld provided the gathering’s keynote address and that Cheney was scheduled to speak. (See “People & Events,” June 2003 Church & State.)

In April of 2002, according to an ABC News story that ran online, Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas was the keynote speaker at a CNP meeting in a northern Virginia suburb of Washington, D.C., where White House counsel Alberto Gonzales and Timothy Goeglein, a White House liaison to religious communities, also spoke.

Heavy-hitters such as these show that the CNP is a force to be reckoned with, and Republican politicians ignore the group at their peril. In 1999, GOP presidential candidate George W. Bush appeared before a CNP gathering in San Antonio, and, in a closed-door meeting, assured the members of his right-wing bona fides. Bush critics demanded that the president release the text of his remarks, but he refused. Nonetheless, rumors soon surfaced that Bush promised the CNP to implement its agenda and vowed to appoint only anti-abortion judges to the federal courts.

How did this influential organization get its start? To find the answer, it’s necessary to go all the way back to 1981 and the early years of the Reagan presidency.

Excited by Reagan’s election, Tim LaHaye, Richard Viguerie, Weyrich and a number of far-right conservatives began meeting to discuss ways to maximize the power of the ultra-conservative movement and create an alternative to the more centrist Council on Foreign Relations. In mid May, about 50 of them met at the McLean, Va., home of Viguerie, owner of a conservative fund-raising company.

Viguerie had a knack for networking. Shortly before helping launch the CNP, Viguerie and Weyrich initiated the Moral Majority and tapped Falwell to run it, making the obscure Lynchburg pastor a major political figure overnight. Viguerie’s goal was to lead rural White voters in the South out of the Democratic Party and into the Republican Party by emphasizing divisive social issues such as abortion, gay rights and school prayer.

Back when the CNP was founded, it was a little less media shy. In the summer of 1981, Woody Jenkins, a former Louisiana state lawmaker who served as the group’s first executive director, told Newsweek bluntly, “One day before the end of this century, the Council will be so influential that no president, regardless of party or philosophy, will be able to ignore us or our concerns or shut us out of the highest levels of government.”

From the beginning, the CNP sought to merge two strains of far-right thought: the theocratic Religious Right with the low-tax, anti-government wing of the GOP. The theory was that the Religious Right would provide the grassroots activism and the muscle. The other faction would put up the money.

The CNP has always reflected this two-barreled approach. The group’s first president was LaHaye, then president of Family Life Seminars in El Cajon Calif. LaHaye, a fundamentalist Baptist preacher who went on in the 1990s to launch the popular “Left Behind” series of apocalyptic potboilers, was an early anti-gay crusader and frequent basher of public education and he still is today.

Alongside figures like LaHaye and leaders of the anti-abortion movement, the nascent CNP also included Joseph Coors, the wealthy beer magnate; Herbert and Nelson Bunker Hunt, two billionaire investors and energy company executives known for their advocacy of right-wing causes, and William Cies, another wealthy businessman.

Interestingly, the Hunts, Cies and LaHaye all were affiliated with the John Birch Society, the conspiracy-obsessed anti-communist group founded in 1959. LaHaye had lectured and conducted training seminars frequently for the Society during the 1960s and ’70s a time when the group was known for its campaign against the civil rights movement.

Bringing together the two strains of the far right gave the CNP enormous leverage. The group, for example, could pick a candidate for public office and ply him or her with individual donations and PAC money from its well-endowed, business wing.

The goals of the CNP, then, are similarly two-pronged. Activists like Nor­quist, who once said he wanted to shrink the federal government to a size where it could be drowned in a bathtub, are drawn to the group for its exaltation of unfettered capitalism, hostility toward social-service spending and low (or no) tax ideology.

Dramatically scaling back the size of the federal government and abolishing the last remnants of the New Deal may be one goal of the CNP, but many of the foot soldiers of the Religious Right sign on for a different crusade: a desire to remake America in a Christian fundamentalist image.

Since 1981, CNP members have worked assiduously to pack government bodies with ultra-conservative lawmakers who agree that the nation needs a major shift to the right economically and socially. They rail against popular culture and progressive lawmakers, calling them the culprits of the nation’s moral decay. Laws must be passed and enforced, the group argues, that will bring organized prayer back to the public schools, outlaw abortion, prevent gays from achieving full civil rights and fund private religious schools with tax funds.

The CNP does not directly fund these activities itself. In fact, a glance at the group’s publicly available financial statements reveals a modest budget. In 2002, the CNP operated with income of just over $1.2 million. The national office has just a handful of staff members.

(In no way a grassroots organization, the CNP gets much of its money from far-right foundations. The Coors family and Richard DeVos, founder of Amway, have been among the CNP’s largest financial backers. The group received $125,000 from a Coors family philanthropic arm, the Castle Rock Foun­dation, and the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation. Richard DeVos was also one of the CNP’s early presidents and Jeffrey and Holly Coors have been members for many years.)

The CNP’s budgetary figures don’t tell the whole story, however. Financial data shows that the bulk of its money $815,227 in 2002 is spent on “educational conferences and seminars for national leaders in the fields of business, government, religion and academia to explore national policy alternatives.” An additional $69,108 was spent on “weekly newsletters…distributed to all members to keep them apprised of member activities and public policy issues.”

In other words, the CNP is merely a facilitator. While the group has an affiliated arm CNP Action that does some lobbying, in the main it does not work directly to implement the schemes its members devise during the three yearly meetings. The well-heeled leaders and their affiliated organizations are expected to come up with their own funds to pay for the plots hatched during the meetings.

Despite the group’s obsessive desire for secrecy, some information has leaked out over the years, mainly due to the persistent efforts of a few writers and researchers.

In 1988, writer Russ Bellant noted in his book The Coors Connection, which details the beer dynasty’s funding of right-wing causes and groups, that many CNP members have been associated with the outer reaches of the conservative movement. Bellant found that among the far right, there is a certain cachet to being a CNP member. Members pay thousands of dollars yearly to keep their CNP membership. Bellant noted that at the time, individuals paid $2,000 per year for membership and those seeking a spot on the CNP’s board of directors shelled out $5,000 each.

Research undertaken by a now-defunct watchdog group, the Institute for First Amend­ment Studies (IFAS), shed some more light on the group’s activities. For many years running, IFAS founder Skip Porteous was able to obtain CNP membership lists, which he posted online.

Bellant noted that Tom Ellis, a top political operative of the ultra-conservative Jesse Helms, followed LaHaye as the CNP president in 1982. Ellis had a checkered past, having served as a director of a foundation called the Pioneer Fund, which has a long history of subsidizing efforts to prove blacks are genetically inferior to whites.

Bellant’s book, as well as work by the IFAS, reveals other CNP members who have flirted with extremist and hateful propaganda
.

In addition to obsessing over communist threats and buttressing white supremacist ideology, the CNP has included many members bent on replacing American democracy with theocracy.

LaHaye, like the whole of the nation’s Religious Right leaders, nurtures a strong contempt for the First Amendment principle of church-state separation, because it seriously complicates their goal of installing fundamentalist Christianity as the nation’s officially recognized religion. LaHaye has worked within the CNP and other groups to replace American law with “biblical law.” (See “Left Behind,” February 2002 Church & State.)

Former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed has also been involved with the CNP and addressed the group during the August GOP meeting in New York. Asked about his relationship with the CNP by CNN’s Wolf Blitzer Aug. 29, Reed fell back on the common ploy of asserting that the group is just a ramped-up social club.

“I think it’s like-minded individuals who believe in conservative public policy views. And they get together a few times a year,” said Reed (whose CNP topic was “The 2004 Elections: Who Will Win in November?”).

Reed, now a top official of the Bush-Cheney campaign, said he is no longer a CNP member, asserting that he quit because “I was just busy doing other things.”

The CNP goes way beyond LaHaye and Reed in its effort to embrace the Religious Right. For many years, the late leader of the Christian Recon­struc­tionist movement, Rousas J. Rushdoony, was a member. Reconstructionists espouse a radical theology that calls for trashing the U.S. Constitution and replacing it with the harsh legal code of the Old Testament. They advocate the death penalty for adulterers, blasphemers, incorrigible teen­agers, gay people, “witches” and those who worship “false gods.”

Another CNP-Reconstruc­tionist tie comes through Howard Phillips, the Con­stitution Party leader. Phillips, a longtime CNP member, is a disciple of Rushdoony and uses rhetoric that strikes a distinctly Reconstructionist tone. In a 2003 Constitution Party gathering in Clackamas, Oregon, Phillips told party members and guests, “We’ve got to be ready when God chooses to let us restore our once-great Republic.” A report by the Southern Poverty Law Center said that Phillips proclaimed that his party was “raising up an army” to “take back this nation!”


The CNP has provided more prominent Religious Right figures, such as Dob­son, with a forum to promote church-state merger and shove the Republican Party toward the right. In 1998, Dobson ap­peared before a CNP gathering where he admitted he voted for Constitution Party nominee Phillips in the 1996 presidential election instead of Republican candidate Bob Dole. Dobson threatened to bolt the Republican Party and take “as many people with me as possible” if the GOP did not stop taking Christian conservatives for granted. (Dobson’s speech, like all addresses before CNP functions, was not intended for media coverage. A transcript was published by the IFAS, which was able to gain access to the meeting. The transcript remains avail­able on the Internet at _http://www.buildingequality.us/ifas/cnp/dobson.html.)

Dobson railed against the Repub­lican-controlled Congress for apparently giving short shrift to the “pro-moral community” and easily acquiescing to a “post-modern notion, that there is no moral law to the universe.” That notion, Dobson said, has spread throughout the nation like a cancer.

For Dobson, the moral law of the universe is clear and should be evident to all lawmakers. The universe “has a boss,” he said. “And He has very clear ideas of what is right and wrong.”

Dobson blasted the Republican-led Congress for increasing funding to Planned Parenthood and the National Endowment of the Arts and for espousing a “safe sex ideology” that he said includes advocacy of the use of condoms to help prevent sexually transmitted diseases.

All of this, Dobson said, directly contravenes God’s law.

“It’s a lack of conviction that there is a boss to the universe and that there are moral standards that we are held to and we need officials that will stand up and respect them,” Dobson said.

Dobson concluded his lecture by begging CNP members “shamelessly, to use your influence on the party at this critical stage of our history. You have a lot of influence on the party. A lot of you are politicians. I beg you to talk to them about what’s at stake here because they’ve laid the foundation for a revolt and I don’t think they even know it because they’re so out of touch with the people that I’m talking about.”

Dobson seemed fully aware that he was speaking to an ultra-partisan group. Indeed, the ABCNews.com report noted that some CNP members have bragged about helping “Christian conservatives” take over Republican state party operations in several Southern and Mid­western states.

The CNP’s current executive director, a former California lawmaker named Steve Baldwin, has tried to downplay the organization’s influence on powerful state and national lawmakers. He has remained cagey about the CNP’s goals, insisting it is merely a group that counters liberal policy arguments.

In many ways, Baldwin himself exemplifies the CNP’s operate-in-secret strategy. As a political strategist in Cali­fornia in the early 1990s, Baldwin was one of the key architects of the “stealth strategy” that led to Religious Right activists being elected to school boards and other local offices.

“Stealth candidates” were trained to emphasize pocketbook issues such as taxes and spending. But once elected, they would pursue a Religious Right agenda, such as demanding creationism in public schools. A spate of the candidates won election in Southern Cali­fornia in the early 1990s, but most were later removed by the voters when the true agenda became apparent.

Baldwin tried to use the stealth strategy during his own campaign for the California Assembly in 1992. He lost that race but fared better in 1994, winning election to a seat in the 77th Assembly District. While in office, he helped lead efforts by Religious Right conservatives to take over the state GOP and, briefly, the entire Assembly.

Baldwin had to leave the Assembly in 2000 after serving six years due to California’s term-limits law. According to one California media outlet, his hard-right views had by then alienated most other members of the Assembly.

But Baldwin refused to let up. In the spring of 2002, while working at the CNP, he penned a controversial article for the law review at TV preacher Pat Robertson’s Regent University. The piece, “Child Molestation and the Homosexual Movement,” linked pedo­philia to homosexuality.

The article went on to become a staple in the Religious Right’s anti-gay canon, despite the fact that its claims were challenged by legitimate researchers.

“It is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh,” wrote Baldwin. “However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization the nuclear family.”


What might the future hold for Baldwin and the CNP? Already Jenkins’ vision of a day when powerful politicians would pay heed to the group has come to pass. With social issues such as same-sex marriage increasingly dominating the Religious Right’s agenda, the organization is not likely to want for things to do.

Americans United, which has monitored the activities of the CNP for years, says the groups holds radical views and is especially dangerous because of its success in connecting Religious Right activism with the secular right’s deep financial pockets.

AU’s Lynn said he hopes the media begins to pay more attention to the CNP and expose its goals.

“If the CNP gets its way,” Lynn said, “the First Amendment, along with the rest of the U.S. Constitution, will be replaced with fundamentalist dogma. In order to ensure religious liberty for future generations of Americans, the CNP’s agenda must be derailed.”
 
Donald Hunt said:
Good job connecting those dots! This is standard operating procedure for Bush. Almost every company he has been involved with went bankrupt, but not before he and his friends cashed out. Same is happening with the whole country.

I think I added some invalid dots to the pieces that I'm trying to connect like the guy whom I thought ran AIG, but who really founded a creationist museum the name of which also began with the letters AIG. However, I found some information that seems to support what you say here: " Almost every company he has been involved with went bankrupt, but not before he and his friends cashed out. Same is happening with the whole country"

I think that you connected the dots, not I.

anart seemed to think that I sniffing for clues on the wrong trail:

anart said:
webglider, Soros may not be what you think he is. There is a bit of information on the forum, if you use the search function. By all accounts, the fall of Lehman wouldn't hurt Soros at all - so the idea that he is 'being punished' might be a bit misguided...
Posted on: Yesterday at 11:03:57 AMPosted by: webglider



As I was doing more research, I came across some information about Jeb Bush began working for Lehman Brothers in late August of 2007 and George H. Walker, a cousin who was hired in 2006.

As I read this, I keep thinking about the line in "Farhenheit 911" where, in Referring to George W. Bush, Moore observes that he has run every business he has been in charge of into the ground.

Were Jeb and George H. Walker planted at LB to help bring it down?

autobot said:
Americans United, which has monitored the activities of the CNP for years, says the groups holds radical views and is especially dangerous because of its success in connecting Religious Right activism with the secular right’s deep financial pockets.

Okay, so if the CNP "...is especially dangerous because of its success in connecting Religious Right activism with the secular right's deep financial pockets", wouldn't the religious right be hurt if their supporters went under along with eveyone elseWall Street? Or does the secular right invest in the parallel economy of the religious right?

How big is this parallel economy, who are the investors, and where did they invest their money?



http://www.talkzimbabwe.com/

As I look at this situation more and more closely, several thoughts occur to me:

What is Jeb Bush's role in the Lehman Brothers meltdown?

Is the financial meltdown an excuse to print more dollars and cause hyperinflation and the collapse of the entire economy? Didn't Germany suffer from hyperinflation before the nazis took over?

I'm still curious why Lehman Brothers was allowed to fail. It may have nothing to do with Soros, but why that financial institution, and not others?

Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:16:00 +0000
LEHMAN BROTHERS was founded in 1850. The firm managed to get through the Civil War, WWI, and WWII, the Great Depression, and the attacks of September 11, 2001. Yet after hiring Jeb Bush in late August of 2007, the firm suddenly goes belly up in a year. It also should be noted that in 2006, George H. Walker IV was also hired by Lehman Brothers.
Leartis Julia – Opinion



LEHMAN BROTHERS was founded in 1850. The firm managed to get through the Civil War, WWI, and WWII, the Great Depression, and the attacks of September 11, 2001. Yet after hiring Jeb Bush in late August of 2007, the firm suddenly goes belly up in a year. It also should be noted that in 2006, George H. Walker IV was also hired by Lehman Brothers.

Now, let's take a walk down memory lane, shall we?

Neil Bush: The brother of the current president, son of the elder Bush, was part of yet another huge financial meltdown. This was known as the Savings and Loan scandal (S&L).

From Salon: Long before that, in the late 1980s, Neil Bush made bigger news for his controversial role as a director of Silverado Savings and Loan, which collapsed and cost taxpayers roughly $1 billion. (Federal regulators accused Bush of various conflicts of interests, but he was never charged. A civil suit against Bush and other Silverado officers was later settled for $26.5 million.)

Also from WaPo, a great summary of Neil's sleazy life, including the S&L scandal:

In the late '80s and early '90s, Bush embarrassed his father, George H.W. Bush, with his shady dealings as a board member of the infamous Silverado Savings and Loan, whose collapse cost taxpayers $1 billion.

Now back to Jeb: From Mother Jones: Early Years, Medicaid fraud, his own S&L, and allegations of drugs:

After graduating from Texas University, Jeb Bush served a short apprenticeship at the Venezuelan branch of Texas Commerce Bank in Caracas before settling in Miami, in 1980, to work on his father's unsuccessful primary bid against Ronald Reagan. Campaigning for Dad was hardly a paying job. But Jeb was about to learn that being one of George Bush's sons means never having to circulate a résumé.

In the next few years, financial support flowed to Jeb through Miami's right-wing Cuban community. Republican party politics and a series of business scandals -- including Medicaid fraud and shady S&L deals -- were inextricably intertwined. A former federal prosecutor told MJ that, when he looked into Jeb's lucrative business dealings with a now-fugitive Cuban, he considered two possibilities -- Jeb was either crooked or stupid. At the time, he concluded Jeb was merely stupid.

Like so many of those who would attach themselves to the Bush sons over the years, Padreda brought some hefty luggage with him. In 1982, four years before teaming up with Jeb, Padreda, along with another right-wing Cuban exile, Hernandez Cartaya, was indicted and accused of looting Jefferson Savings and Loan Association in McAllen, Texas. The federal indictment charged that the pair had embezzled over $500,000 from the thrift. (Cartaya was also charged with drug smuggling, money laundering, and gun running.) But the Jefferson Savings case would never go to trial.



Soon after the indictment, FBI officials got a call from someone at the CIA warning the agents that Cartaya was one of their own -- a veteran of the failed Bay of Pigs invasion -- according to a prosecutor who worked on the case. In short order, the charges against Padreda were dropped and the charges against Cartaya were reduced to a single count of tax evasion. (Assistant U.S. Attorney Jerome Sanford was furious and filed a demand with the CIA, under the Freedom of Information Act, for all documents relating to the agency's interference in his case. The CIA, citing national-security reasons, denied Sanford's request.)



IMC was run by Cuban-American Miguel Recarey, a character with a host of idiosyncrasies. He carried a 9-mm Heckler & Koch semiautomatic pistol under his suit coat and kept a small arsenal of AR-15 and Uzi assault rifles at his Miami estate, where his bedroom was protected by bullet-proof windows and a steel door. It apparently wasn't his enemies Recarey feared so much as his friends. He had a long-standing relationship with Miami Mafia godfather Santo Trafficante, Jr., and had participated in the illfated, CIA-inspired mob assassination plot against Fidel Castro in the early 1960s. (Associates of Recarey add that Trafficante was the money behind Recarey's business ventures.)



Recarey's brother, Jorge, also had ties to the CIA. So it was no surprise that IMC crawled with former spooks. Employee résumés were studded withreferences to the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, and the Cuban Intelligence agency; there was even a fellow who claimed to have been a KGB agent, An agent with the U.S. Office of Labor Racketeering in Miami would later describe IMC as a company in which "a criminal enterprise interfaced with intelligence operations."



Recarey also surrounded himself with those who could influence the political system. He hired Jeb Bush as IMC's "real-estate consultant." Though Jeb would never close a single real-estate deal, his contract called for him to earn up to $250,000 (he actually received $75,000). Jeb's real value to Recarey was not in real estate but in his help in facilitating the largest HMO Medicare fraud in U.S. history.

Jeb phoned top Health and Human Services officials in Washington in 1985 to lobby for a special exemption from HHS rules for IMC. This highly unusual waiver was critical to Recarey's scam. Without it, the company would have been limited to a Medicare patient load of 50 percent. The balance of IMC's patients would have had to be private -- that is, paying -- customers. Recarey preferred the steady flow of federal Medicare money to the thought of actually running a real HMO. Former HHS chief of staff McClain Haddow (who later became a paid consultant to IMC) testified in 1987 Jeb that directly phoned then-HHS secretary Margaret Heckler and that it was that call that swung the decision to approve IMCs waiver.



Manuel C. Diaz, another Jeb Bush business associate, runs a commercial nursery with headquarters in Homestead, Florida. Manny Diaz's previous business sidekick, Charles Keating, Jr., is now sitting in a California prison. But during Keating's days at the helm of the $6 billion Lincoln Savings, Diaz became a Keating insider, confidant, and beneficiary. For example, in 1987, as federal regulators closed in on his crumbling empire, Keating instructed his attorneys to transfer a large chunk of prime Phoenix real estate to Diaz, for just $1. And right before filing for personal bankruptcy, Keating transferred his $2 million mansion on the island of Cat Cay in the Bahamas to Diaz.



At the same time Diaz was palling around with Keating, Jeb, then serving as Florida's secretary of commerce, arranged a private meeting for Diaz with Florida's Republican governor Bob Martinez. Promptly afterward, Diaz Farms landed a lucrative, $1.72 million, state-highway-landscaping contract -- despite the fact that Diaz had little prior highway-landscaping experience. This raised howls of protest and charges of political influence-peddling from other contractors. But state officials explained that the extraordinary speed in issuing the contract had occurred because the state was anxious to spruce up 113 miles of freeway for the coming visit of the pope.



Did Jeb know about Diaz's business association with Charles Keating? Did he have reason to believe Diaz was qualified for the Florida highway contract that he helped Diaz land? These are the kinds of detailed questions that the Florida chairman of the Bush re-election campaign refuses to answer.







Leartis Julia






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wg said:
anart seemed to think that I sniffing for clues on the wrong trail:

I said nothing about 'the trail' ( I don't have enough information to make a comment one way or another on that) - I was commenting on one component.

One can be led very, very far astray if one doesn't try to keep their eyes open.
 
anart said:
One can be led very, very far astray if one doesn't try to keep their eyes open.

I totally agree, and I do feel as though I am somewhat out on a limb here because I don't have a background in economics, so I really appreciate any corrections that anyone makes to keep me on the right track, (If there is one).

I just found an article in the September 15, 2008 Miami Herald that links Lehman Brothers investments to
the "Florida Retirement System for local counties such as Miami-Dade and Broward. The rest is spread out in the Catastrophe Fund and The Lawton Chiles Endowment Fund which helps fund Medicare."

The last I heard, Jeb was the former governor of Florida. It's mindboggling, that under his watch at LB monies to protect Floridians' pensions, help Floridians weather catastrophes, and provide senior citizens with Medicare would be jepordized or lost.

Here is the link:

http://www.miamiherald.com/business/breaking-news/v-print/story/687120.html
 
webglider said:
As I was doing more research, I came across some information about Jeb Bush began working for Lehman Brothers in late August of 2007 and George H. Walker, a cousin who was hired in 2006.

So what was the position of the Bushes within Lehman Bros?

I thought it was very strange that the Fed would not bail out Lehman when everybody in Wall Street thought they would; almost as if they wanted to create a bigger crisis by pushing one big bank over the edge (perhaps it wasn't so important which one and Lehman was simply the unfortunate selected for sacrifice). So, if someone targeted Lehman in advance, it might be that you are into something interesting with the Bush connection...

Then again, maybe not, but we might just have a look.
 
Windmill Knight said:
So what was the position of the Bush Brothers within Lehman Bros.?

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NEW YORK, Aug 30, 2007 5:36pm EDT(Reuters) - Lehman Brothers has hired Jeb Bush, brother of the President of the United States, as an advisor to its private equity business, a source familiar with the situation said.

Lehman hired another relative of U.S. President George W. Bush last year--George Walker, a second cousin, who heads up the bank's asset management business.

Jeb Bush is the former governor of Florida.

Lehman Brothers declined to comment.

http://www.reuters.com/article/fundsFundsNews/idUSN3046902620070830

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