Don't flatter yourselves.

[DoomAndGloomIsALie]

Greetings y'all members of the Cassiopaea club,

As a fellow semi-awakened spiritual being who like everyone on this planet used to operate primarily on the organic portal mindset, I first of all wish to send y'all some packets of love/light energy which is accepting of all things (outside ofcourse STS energy which is non-accepting and you can't accept non-acceptance).

Now, this may be a bit harsh but you have to understand I have no intention of being viewed in a positive light (It's not about me!), or, in other words, increasing my spiritual status amongst your community. This may be in part that I prefer the Law of One teachings which I personally feel are less distorted (no offence, I like alot of your material as well, yet my skepticism remains towards some sections). Now, I sometimes check in to read some topics out of nothing but sheer innocent interest yet I can't help but out my feelings on how some members seem to be operating on some kind of spiritual ego where they attribute STS behaviour on all kinds of things which are in reality NOT NECESSARILY STS at all. Yet y'all seem to agree that this or that is manipulative (aka STS) and if some (mostly newer) member disagrees then you even go a step further and label this person as STS. If anything, since none of you have ever set foot into STO 4D reality, none of you in fact can know for certain ("Understanding is not of 3rd density" is my favorite teaching of the Law of One), therefore saying such things as if you are some kind of authority on the matter (no, the universe does not care if you have read the entire C material or not) does in fact seem a little bit manipulative don't you think? Who are you to decide what is STO and what is STS? WHO ARE YOU?? If anything, you seem to operate out of some kind of neediness to reinforce to yourself that you are on the right, the STO, path. Hence, you tell yourself, any behaviour you do not engage in must be aligned with STS and any behaviour you do engage is must be aligned with STO. Please, I am here to inform you that STO is NOT about self-delusion, it is about REALITY and CLARITY. I would say it is more about saying FUCK YOU to your ego then it is about flattering your ego don't you think? Hence, I offer you a choice, take my message at heart and think about it with an air of acceptance, or judge it and ignore it and keep doing whatever it is you are doing. Whichever you choose, may or may not enlighten you on which polarity you are truly more aligned with.

So please, until you are having personal interdimensional experiences which clears away all the fog about your personal polarity, STOP THIS JUDGEMENTAL BEHAVIOUR which means taking the newbie member messages more seriously aswell as being more questioning of the oldie established member.

 

[nicklebleu]

Hi DoomAndGloomIsALie,

I am not entirely sure what you want in our forum. If you don't like how things are run here - fine, plenty of other forums for virtually any taste.

Suppose your neighbor builds a new house and moves in there. After a fe weeks you ring on his door and start to tell him that the color of the walls are too dark, that the roof shape is off and the layout is really bad. Do you think that this would go down well with your new neighbors, even if your intention was only to "help" them?

The least you could have done is give an example with a link to a place of what you exactly mean, but all in all I find your introduction a bit rude.

 

[wodasi]

I didn't mind that intro
hope you all can wrestle with it ..

aswell as being more questioning of the oldie established member.

I think forum members should lighten up a bit
Now if its a sott team member I listen close ...
thanks to every body

 

[Mr. Premise]

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Everyone is STS here. So there is no labeling except to say that here in 3D STS-land we all are STS. So can you cite specific examples to support your accusation? If not, what's the point?

 

[DoomAndGloomIsALie]

Hi nicklebleu,

Yes, my introduction may have been a bit rude, but then again, this post is intended to be more like a message, not an introduction, and I said so in advance that I am not trying to be viewed in positive light as that could distort the thing I'm trying to get across.

You see, what I'm trying to say is that if you guys are gonna be all talk about true spirituality and STO polarity then you must start behaving this way else you come across as a bit hypocritical. And of course this is not directed at anyone personal here, so please don't feel attacked. It is not even directed at everyone here, perhaps only at a small portion of your memberbase, I don't know, I just had to get this off my chest.

Suppose your neighbor builds a new house and moves in there. After a fe weeks you ring on his door and start to tell him that the color of the walls are too dark, that the roof shape is off and the layout is really bad. Do you think that this would go down well with your new neighbors, even if your intention was only to "help" them?

But this is not my neighbour's house is it? This is advertised as THE place for enlightened STO talk, therefore if this place then don't act as THE example for it then you're inevitably gonna mislead people, even if unintentionally. And ofcourse we don't know what is true STO else we wouldn't be here, hence we got to be real careful about acting like an authority on the matter. (I would have no problem if these members didn't act so much as a kind of spiritual authority.) (For example, some members seem to think casual sex is STS when it is only an exchange of energy, and nothing negative at all aslong as there is no dominator/submissive play at work. This causes a distortive view towards celibacy as STO activity when it is not. The Law of One for example even considers sex with upper chakra exchange even a highly positively polarizing activity.) All I'm saying is that maybe you should question yourselves as much as the external and don't be so easily offended. Big heart means being able to take big hits.

Peace

 

[DoomAndGloomIsALie]

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Everyone is STS here. So there is no labeling except to say that here in 3D STS-land we all are STS. So can you cite specific examples to support your accusation? If not, what's the point?

Yes, we are all mixed polarity here. Nonetheless, mixed polarity means our views and behaviours are likely distorted. And yet people seem to say with an authoritive, much too certain voice what is STS and STO activity. HOW CAN YOU KNOW, IF YOU ADMIT YOU ARE MIXED POLARITY? DUH! That's what I'm trying to say. Sure, you can say that the C material comes from STO source, therefore much less distorted, but it is my view that much of these members' sayings are more of their own personal views, not the material per se, and even in the latter case, the interpretation is still often colored by personal ego.

 

[Menna]

Now, this may be a bit harsh but you have to understand I have no intention of being viewed in a positive light (It's not about me!)

Thats right its not just about you its about you, others and life in general.

I offer you a choice, take my message at heart and think about it with an air of acceptance, or judge it and ignore it and keep doing whatever it is you are doing. Whichever you choose, may or may not enlighten you on which polarity you are truly more aligned with.

What message? There are no specifics here its just a general idea that there is too much STS judgement and ego here on the forum. Who is to ignore? who is to keep doing what their doing? You are firing shots in the dark here. Its is your opinion that this forum is too judgmental about what and who is STS and that members are judging however this is not what the forum is about. If you want to talk about clarity and reality it is clear and real that no thing on this earth is perfect there is duality in everything. If you have read a few topics here and come across posts that you view as too judgemental and not up to your standards of how things should be here then thats not clarity and thats not real its an expectation based on???????? There is a wealth of information here and id have to say alot more "good" than "bad" the kind of good thats hard to find elsewhere. So if you want to make a post about the "bad" that you see here thats fine but your general statement "Message" conflics with your talk of STO being clarity and real your post is not clear and its not real in terms of objective life its one sided.

Theres no reason to do this no reason to try and message or fix things. See what information resinates with you and what doesnt and continue on. If you see something or read something you don't like obviously you can comment on it however wouldn't it be more efficient to first realize you don't like it analyze why you don't like ask a question about it and move on or better yet reasearch and explore the information that rings true in you. instead of trying to change the momentum of an outside thing like the forum. Its a waste of energy/time in terms of growth IMO.

We could go back and fourth about what is STS and what is STO however we are in a STS world so yes we can't know what its like to be completely STO however life isn't black and white its fluid I do believe that there are people here and elsewhere that are closer in terms of percentage lets say to being STO than others who are closer in percentage to STS (just to put a measure on it) This forum isn't advertised as anything it didn't come to your door knocking trying to sell you something or say here look at me you had to discover it you had to create a user name you had to put the time in to post and decide what to write and you decided to write a one sided review of how you feel the forum works. Now this is just objectivity of what happened no judgement or anything its real and clear or as you put it STO.

 

[Mark]

But this is not my neighbour's house is it?

It's the Cassiopaea Forum. We're all visitors here... which implies certain obligations, such as following the rules, being courteous, etc. Did you read the forum rules? I seriously doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong.

This is advertised as THE place for enlightened STO talk,

No one involved with running and maintaining this site advertises it.

therefore if this place then don't act as THE example for it then you're inevitably gonna mislead people, even if unintentionally. And ofcourse we don't know what is true STO else we wouldn't be here, hence we got to be real careful about acting like an authority on the matter. (I would have no problem if these members didn't act so much as a kind of spiritual authority.) (For example, some members seem to think casual sex is STS when it is only an exchange of energy, and nothing negative at all aslong as there is no dominator/submissive play at work. This causes a distortive view towards celibacy as STO activity when it is not. The Law of One for example even considers sex with upper chakra exchange even a highly positively polarizing activity.) All I'm saying is that maybe you should question yourselves as much as the external and don't be so easily offended. Big heart means being able to take big hits.

You seem to be overly concerned about sex, and misinformed about this forum. You might want to think about asking questions about what you may or may not understand or misunderstand.

 

[DoomAndGloomIsALie]

Dear Menna,

I figured if there was one member who would have a problem with my post it would be you, and it appears I was correct. I'm telling you this right here and now. YOU ARE STS, NOT STO. Unable to handle any sort of criticism because you have a tiny little insecure heart that can't stand "outsiders" undermine your spiritual name that you have garnered for yourself here. Too much light (=knowledge/wisdom), too little love. The Law of One considers STS the light/love path whereas STO is the love/light path. Highly self-focused you are. All the knowledge in the world won't change that. I advise you to consider that you were wrong about your polarity, and the sooner you realize this, the faster you can transcend the ladder of STS. This is not a damnation, as one can always shift polarity. Instead it is intended as an enlightenment for yourself.

 

[DoomAndGloomIsALie]

It's the Cassiopaea Forum. We're all visitors here... which implies certain obligations, such as following the rules, being courteous, etc. Did you read the forum rules? I seriously doubt it. But maybe I'm wrong.

I don't see how I'm not being courteous. Maybe I'm just too unorthodox for your liking? Does courteous mean not being allowed to express an opinion which might make you uncomfortable? Comfort zone is not a good place my friend. We are grown ups after all.

You seem to be overly concerned about sex, and misinformed about this forum. You might want to think about asking questions about what you may or may not understand or misunderstand.

I am not overly concerned about sex, however this is a major topic that is very important to have the right attitude to imo, as sex is the foundation of all life. Sexual energy is in fact the same as loving energy, the latter which is merely transmuted green ray from the original red ray. Love is thus, merely a refined version of sex, and light is thus, merely a refined version of love. And also I take it you never heard about the orgone theory either? Thus, it is of my opinion that deliberate celibacy (as is promiscuity as its opposite extremist pole) leads to STS polarization as it clearly self-absorbed which does not take other entities into account? (Is it empathic to deny one sex just because it goes against your values? Nope, you are thinking about yourself, in this case, you are thinking about not wanting to corrupt your own "spiritual evolution". Doesn't seem so strange now why all those catholic STS priests are celibate does it? They are competing spiritually, all the while thinking they are the good guys.)
But yes, the main reason I brought this up was because I was reading the relationship topic which part of my OP was addressed about.

 

[Renaissance]

As a fellow semi-awakened spiritual being who like everyone on this planet used to operate primarily on the organic portal mindset, I first of all wish to send y'all some packets of love/light energy which is accepting of all things (outside ofcourse STS energy which is non-accepting and you can't accept non-acceptance).

Now, this may be a bit harsh but you have to understand I have no intention of being viewed in a positive light (It's not about me!), or, in other words, increasing my spiritual status amongst your community.

I don't see this as harsh in probably the way you mean it, but more closing yourself off to others input (which appears to be the one of the things you say you are against and accuse the forum of). I think not caring about how you are perceived can be an indication of your valuation of others input, namely that it is not valued. When this is stated outright, it makes it difficult to begin a conversation since there is an expectation of wanting others to hear what you are saying while not wanting to listen to others. This ties in with one of the main principles of the forum, which you may or may not know is about networking and feedback. This as well as consistent knowledge input from different fields is utilized on the forum as a means of understanding the nature of things like Service to Self.

You are correct that we don't really know what it means to be STO. I don't see claims made otherwise that would be representative of the forum. You mentioned that you don't know if some of your issues are representative of the forum. Since you are presenting issues with 'how things are done here', I think it would only be fair to put the effort into understanding how things are really done here before presenting a case against it.

While we can't fully know what it means to be STO, we are STS and we can learn from that. We might gain some glimmers of insight into what STO *could* look like, by coming to know our own nature and working through our various programs, buffers and the like in order to really connect with others. As mentioned, networking with a number of different perspectives is also done in terms of fields of knowledge. The fields include topics like cognitive science and human psychology, social influences, pathology, history, politics, esoteric material and so on. I think if you have an issue with the working definitions or understandings of STS on the forum, it would be useful to explore the material that has been studied to arrive at these understandings, and then if particular issues remain then to address them within the specific context. But first a background is useful. There is a lack of understanding in some of the issues and basic concepts you bring up (i.e. your ideas about STS), so it appears you are missing this background. This isn't about 'spiritual status' but about knowledge and accuracy. This is a never ending process and requires networking to sort out. The false personality (or ego as you describe it) is enormously deceptive when trying to overcome it with your mind alone. I think if you really wish to discuss these things, another approach toward others here and the forum as a whole will be more useful. This in itself involves struggle with and overcoming parts of the ego.

 

[Henchman 21]

Hi nicklebleu,

Yes, my introduction may have been a bit rude, but then again, this post is intended to be more like a message, not an introduction, and I said so in advance that I am not trying to be viewed in positive light as that could distort the thing I'm trying to get across.

You see, what I'm trying to say is that if you guys are gonna be all talk about true spirituality and STO polarity then you must start behaving this way else you come across as a bit hypocritical. And of course this is not directed at anyone personal here, so please don't feel attacked. It is not even directed at everyone here, perhaps only at a small portion of your memberbase, I don't know, I just had to get this off my chest.

Suppose your neighbor builds a new house and moves in there. After a fe weeks you ring on his door and start to tell him that the color of the walls are too dark, that the roof shape is off and the layout is really bad. Do you think that this would go down well with your new neighbors, even if your intention was only to "help" them?

But this is not my neighbour's house is it? This is advertised as THE place for enlightened STO talk, therefore if this place then don't act as THE example for it then you're inevitably gonna mislead people, even if unintentionally. And ofcourse we don't know what is true STO else we wouldn't be here, hence we got to be real careful about acting like an authority on the matter. (I would have no problem if these members didn't act so much as a kind of spiritual authority.) (For example, some members seem to think casual sex is STS when it is only an exchange of energy, and nothing negative at all aslong as there is no dominator/submissive play at work. This causes a distortive view towards celibacy as STO activity when it is not. The Law of One for example even considers sex with upper chakra exchange even a highly positively polarizing activity.) All I'm saying is that maybe you should question yourselves as much as the external and don't be so easily offended. Big heart means being able to take big hits.

Peace

Hi doom and gloom. I would suggest getting up to date on a number of the suggested reading materials or you will likely be stuck in 'no mans land' for most of what goes on here. As far as your grievances towards the people who post here not setting an example towards becoming STO, I would have to say for the most part you are mistaken. Obviously no two people are the same and at some point on any forum you will find someone who bugs you or who you think is being rude or negative. It happens here too (I don't think it happens very often but it happens). When these events occur usually the person will be asked to explain his or herself to get a better idea of why they were rude or whatever and if it can't be worked out in a civilized way then action will be taken by those of authority on this forum. As it turns out many of the people who will tend to cause problems are people who are new to the forum, likely because this forum isn't quite for them.

A main function of this forum is to be able to freely ask questions which can lead to discussion for the betterment of everyone. There are some insanely smart people here who know a lot about tons of stuff. Now many people come here with preconceived notions of reality that they think must be true only to find that maybe they aren't true. It's ok to be wrong. Everybody is wrong about some things, but to try and push a wrong opinion on other people who know its a wrong opinion don't be surprised when you run into a bit of a brick wall.

An example of this comes, in your case, with your notions of sex. Now don't get me wrong I like sex and I imagine most people here like sex too. The problem is that you are willing to attack the work being done here because it goes against your subjective view and in your mind you must be right because you feel strongly about this subject. Well as it turns out you are not right. So based on your own incorrect prejudice you essential attacked a whole bunch of people.

Now if you have actual questions and have come here to learn then by all means ask away, there are thousands of people here ready to help. But if you came to preach then you will find that the church pews are empty. You could always start your own website and forum.

 

[obyvatel]

Dear Menna,

I figured if there was one member who would have a problem with my post it would be you, and it appears I was correct. I'm telling you this right here and now. YOU ARE STS, NOT STO. Unable to handle any sort of criticism because you have a tiny little insecure heart that can't stand "outsiders" undermine your spiritual name that you have garnered for yourself here. Too much light (=knowledge/wisdom), too little love. The Law of One considers STS the light/love path whereas STO is the love/light path. Highly self-focused you are. All the knowledge in the world won't change that. I advise you to consider that you were wrong about your polarity, and the sooner you realize this, the faster you can transcend the ladder of STS. This is not a damnation, as one can always shift polarity. Instead it is intended as an enlightenment for yourself.

You are out of line with this post. You are acting like a jerk and that is not tolerated here.

 

[CNS]

I didn't mind that intro
hope you all can wrestle with it ..

aswell as being more questioning of the oldie established member.

I think forum members should lighten up a bit
Now if its a sott team member I listen close ...
thanks to every body

Crazycharlie.1,

Hi, I'm just curious with what you may think that we can all "wrestle with"? Are you in agreement with doom and gloom that the elders here somehow hold the corner market on what is STS v. STO? If so, perhaps you might be able to provide links or references to where you feel they unfairly disregarded or judged a newer member's opinion. It has been my observation that any disagreement by anyone with authority here has been properly referenced or cited by said authority, and has only been out of motivation to help, educate, possibly enlighten, or give a hand out of the pit, so to speak.

 

[Nević Nenad]

DoomAndGloom​IsALie

If I may suggest, go and eat something. You sound like a teenage girl on a "get slim fast" diet. Or you are in some sort of spasm. When all your physiological needs are met, maybe we could talk. ;)