Efficacious activities with respect to the Wave

[wanderer33]

It seems to be the case, from the material available from the CASS, that a practical worthwhile activity at the present time is to raise one's vibration to a level acceptable for movement from 3rd to 4th density. That is, doing anything else, except helping other people reach the needed vibratory state, is fundamentally a waste of time. If its all going to end, there doesn't seem to be any other worthy or practical pursuit. If this is the case, I would like to focus on the former and then engage in the latter. Anything else would seem to be a distraction or not a worthy pursuit.

Any thoughts on this?

Also is there a thread which lays out an appropriate program of exercise and self work which would help one reach the required vibratory state? A daily routine. I have the link for the breathing exercise program.

 

[Turgon]

Also is there a thread which lays out an appropriate program of exercise and self work which would help one reach the required vibratory state? A daily routine. I have the link for the breathing exercise program.

The breathing program can most definitely help connect you to your 'higher self' or raise your vibratory state, but a daily routine? Maybe for physical exercise and Dietary Habits, but the Work, as stated by Gurdjieff is a great place to start in understanding what one can do to consistently in their daily life.

doing anything else, except helping other people reach the needed vibratory state, is fundamentally a waste of time. If its all going to end, there doesn't seem to be any other worthy or practical pursuit.

Gurdjieff states that one thing Man must accept is that they cannot 'Do' anything if they are asleep. So really, you have to 'awaken' first which comes from objectivity, observation, recording, in order to gain understanding of your Machine, and how you interact with yourself and the world around you and gain a certain level of Being before you can attempt to help others. Otherwise it's a case of the blind leading the blind type of thing going on, osit.

I do agree that the raising Frequency Resonance Vibration is the probably the most practical and purposeful way to live our lives, but there is so much involved in that process, it's all a giant, learning lesson. So what others are doing, even though it may be perceived as a waste of time, is actually necessary from a grande, cosmological standpoint, and in a lot of ways fundamentally important to the Work. fwiw

 

[curious_richard]

That is, doing anything else, except helping other people reach the needed vibratory state, is fundamentally a waste of time.

That may be correct. But...

It seems to me that we may be here for many reasons. We may have "last minute" lessons to learn. We may need to work off old karmic debts. We may have special deeds to do in helping others (and you noted this). Maybe what we do in "just being here" is somehow important, even if we can not understand how or why.

I have no idea what your path is, and I wish you the best. But I think that my best path is to try to be STO as much as possible, improve my knowlege, and give guidance and other help to those who ask. I will leave the decision to the Creator whether I am ready to graduate or if I still have more work to do.

 

[wanderer33]

Both of your responses seem to make a great deal of sense. Thanks for the thoughts.

 

[Tigersoap]

Also is there a thread which lays out an appropriate program of exercise and self work which would help one reach the required vibratory state? A daily routine. I have the link for the breathing exercise program.

Hi Wanderer33,

As far as I understood it, just trying to do all these things to reach a vibratory state suitable for 4D is as much STS as anything else because your are anticipating the outcome.
I think that you'll do what you can do because that's in you.
Still the EE program is really helping to clear out a lot of past issues !
Try it out :D

 

[wanderer33]

Well, if that was the case, what activities don't result in self interest in some form or another? Careers are definitely in the realm of self-interest. Well, most.
To be acting in complete STO one would not be able to carry out any activity except waiting, to be asked to serve others. Anything else is likely to be STS in one way or another. Even self-work is likely to be STS by implication. A willing slave would seem to be in a good position to claim an abundance of STO activity. Its a minefield.


I've seen the videos, it looks completely right. a Tao monk taught me to breath like that in the 70s. . It is the correct way to breath. Unfortunately one has to remember to do it. We are a forgetful lot.

 

[vinny]

Well, if that was the case, what activities don't result in self interest in some form or another? Careers are definitely in the realm of self-interest. Well, most.

It's worth remembering the story of Gurdjieff selling the 'canaries'. This wasn't self-interest in the standard mechanical understanding, but rather a calculated process carried out for the sole purpose of furthering a conscious aim. So, perhaps we are all mired in self interest, (we inhabit an STS realm), but this is to varying degrees depending on one's choice of alignment and level of awareness, and Gurdjieff's story illustrates that there IS an alternative that is something we can at least aspire to.

 

[wanderer33]

I understand what you are saying about Gurdjieff's way of dealing with this problem. Though the canary example
was probably worse that the map incident. However, they both seem to indicate the same thought process when chasing a goal.
Really it is the ends justify the means. I am of a similar mind regarding my soul growth, though I think he was quite bold.

Also Gurdjieff was not aware of the CASS view which goes beyond his earthly view some way. I wonder how he would have fitted it into his philosophy
if he had access to that material?

 

[shellycheval]

Really it is the ends justify the means.

I do not think so--but I am sure I can not express why I feel this way about this concept of doing The Work very articulately but I will try.
I think the "means" IS the point--that somehow when we are really doing The Work we are at the "end," even if our perception
of exactly what is "the end" grows and changes as we progress with the Work. We cycle around in a spiral with our progress--onion layers peel away and
we "get" the same lessons over and over on more and more "deeper" levels. Even if we spend most of our time backsliding and or stalling, which is where I am at most of the time, the constant refocusing our attention on the present attempts to grow our "holy awareness," and "knowledge of all creation," is what I understand to be important to evolve our souls. There is no race we can win by hurrying up the process or no set place we are supposed to be (sorry to go Zen here but we are where we are and we will be where we will be((also Cs I think))). The process--it is what it is for each of us even if we cannot comprehend exactly where we are at in the big picture at this level.

Zen again: The journey/process of change is also at the same time where we are supposed to be--the destination. It is our zombie-like lives, programming, and the limitations of 3D life that keep the illusions in place that if we can just get our "report card" stamped with the correct grade by any means, then we can advance--real advancement comes only from really internalizing our lessons where we are at. This is the best I can do--My apologies to the Forum if this sounds like word-salad.
shellycheval

 

[vinny]

I understand what you are saying about Gurdjieff's way of dealing with this problem. Though the canary example
was probably worse that the map incident. However, they both seem to indicate the same thought process when chasing a goal.
Really it is the ends justify the means.

not exactly. If you consider it carefully, I think he was giving his customers exactly what they were asking for (as a valid, but entropic part of the expression of reality - the 'manure' in which things need to grow - he wasn't being judgemental, just rather starkly objective), and that was part of the more subtle lesson he was trying to portray - something to do with what external considering really means, and which does NOT involve projecting one's subjective wishful thinking onto others, but acknowledging reality for what it really is. Hope that made some sense.

 

[mcb]

Well, if that was the case, what activities don't result in self interest in some form or another? Careers are definitely in the realm of self-interest. Well, most.

I don't think there is a simple answer. You can choose what you do, self-observe, and make adjustments. Sometimes a "career adjustment" will be appropriate, but there may be opportunities to make a positive contribution even within "bad" industries.

To be acting in complete STO one would not be able to carry out any activity except waiting, to be asked to serve others. Anything else is likely to be STS in one way or another. Even self-work is likely to be STS by implication. A willing slave would seem to be in a good position to claim an abundance of STO activity. Its a minefield.
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In a literal interpretation of STO, perhaps, but I have never understood it that way either from what I have learned here or elsewhere. We can meet our own needs through serving others, without being "slaves." That applies to careers and in many other ways.

 

[Pierre]

To be acting in complete STO one would not be able to carry out any activity except waiting, to be asked to serve others. Anything else is likely to be STS in one way or another. Even self-work is likely to be STS by implication. A willing slave would seem to be in a good position to claim an abundance of STO activity. Its a minefield.

Helping the ones who ask seem such an easy task.

But to do it properly one has to really give (without waiting for any return, compensation, acknoledgement or a feel good sensation:

Q: It seems to me that it is possible to experience all of these things, including sex, without the need or desire to possess; only to give. In which case, I still don't understand how it can be a mechanism for a 'fall.'
A: If it is desired, then the mechanism is not to give. Do you eat a piece of chocolate cake because it is good to give to the stomach?
Q: Well, you could!
A: No, in STS, which is your realm do not forget, one gives because of the pleasant sensation which results.
Q: Could it not be said that, if everything that exists is part of God, including the flesh, that if one gives to the flesh, without being attached to the giving, that it could be considered a giving to the 'All?'
A: Explain the process.
Q: For example: there are some people who like to suffer, because they believe that the flesh is sinful. That is a big thing that the Lizzies have instituted. For centuries they have wanted people to suffer, and they have made this big deal about sex and anything that might be considered pleasant or desirable should be denied, and that a person should suffer, and revel in their suffering. And, actually, making a person...
A: If one seeks to suffer, they do so in expectation of future reward. They desire to possess something in the end.
Q: What I am saying is: if a person can simply BE, in the doing and being of who and what they are, in simplicity; to become involved in doing everything as a meditation, or as a consecration, whether they are walking down the street and being at one with the air, the sunshine, the birds and trees and other people; in this state of oneness, doesn't that constitute a giving to the universe as giving oneself up as a channel for the universe to experience all these things?
A: Not if one is "feeling this oneness."
Q: We are what we are. Nature is nature. Progression is progression. And if people would just relax and be who and what they are in honesty, and do what is according to their nature without violating the Free Will of others, that this is a more pure form of being than doing things out of any feeling of expectation, or desire; to just BE, not want... just BE?
A: Yes, but STS does not do that.
Q: (A) From which I draw conclusions: if there STS around us, we cannot just...
A: You are all STS. If you were not, you would not be where you are.
Q: (A) There are those who are happy in the STS mode; and there are those who are trying to get out of the STS mode...
A: STO candidate.

and also perceive when someone is genuinely asking, that is discerning asking from commanding, begging, pleading:

(L) What quality in us, what thing, enabled us to make contact, because, obviously a lot of people try and get garbage.
A: You asked.
Q: (L) A lot of people ask!
A: No they don't, they command.
Q: (L) Well, a lot of people do ask or beg or plead, but they get all discombobulated with the answers.
A: No, they command. Think about it. You did not beg or plead... that is commanding.

 

[Azoth]

Competent astrology can provide insight as to one's temperaments and tendencies etc. The "problem" here is that some folks do get "bad" hands dealt.
Some folks could excel in causing harm to others - due to certain configurations. It's in the stars... A born warrior, thief etc.
Oddly perhaps, this is their "calling".

Sometimes I think it's not karmic influence in deciding when to reincarnate. It seems more apparent that a person's (astrological) makeup is due Solely to the quality of the aetheric matrix (read via natal charts) at the time of birth. Get that?
We are literally formed by the forces/qualities present at the time/place of birth; regardless of any other circumstance. So you could have been a saint in one incarnation, to then be an ss guard (cause saturn and mars were in such n such etc) in the next.
We may be caught up in something altogether different. We are mere cells of Gaia. Yet all we do is project this and that, to give Us meaning.
I can still remember an interview I heard with some past celeb who had the opportunity to achieve a deep level of awareness. He was convinced that we are basically bacteria.
The rest is, as they say, Sop.
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I've always enjoyed reading war history and novels. Bad thing perhaps as I'm getting this at the expense of the sufferings of others.
But I've been reading a lot about the WWII campaign on the Eastern front lately. Think I'm tuning into that morphic field or something as my own outlook is turning sour.

I'm just humbled, awed and even a bit guilt ridden as to their exploits, sacrifice and endurance. There are times I feel that if I stayed in the army I would've been sent to the middle east, to have been taken out. So I feel I'm past my time here and in a kind of limbo with no purpose. Freaky huh?

I'm 48 and am still clueless as to a calling or dharmic path. Who says everyone has a purpose? Gee, am I getting close to eugenics? Well, I've no kids so I guess I'm ok by them!

To get to a point; note Why the battle of Stalingrad happened the Way it did. Mainly an ego thing. That is, the whole thing could have been avoided (I'm talking about the brutal conditions (like cannibalism), which exceeded most other lengthy battles).
To me, this is the Epitome of...Needless Suffering.

Today, I'm not so sure about "lessons", "earth as school" etc. I once came across a book back in the early 90's called something to the effect, Everything I Needed To Know I Learned In Kinder Garden. I Know some of you's have heard of it.
I think we are going through (The genetic/creative principle's) motions - and then projecting all kinds of glamoury-meaning onto it.

According to the takes on sto here, I am fully sts. What makes it hard around here is that everyone is much richer than I. How do you help folks who live in mansions and look at you like your trash?

Gee, quite the vent today. Today is weird. This morning I decided to drop all my adventures into hyper dimensional communication. That is, all the supposed hierarchies over there. No more praying, invoking, musing, pondering, exploring. It doesn't go anywhere. It's just more info.

From now on, at least for today!!! it's just me and the Field. I feel empowered by this surprisingly.

Btw, there are schools which are into "feeble breathing".
Info...

 

[Laura]

Competent astrology can provide insight as to one's temperaments and tendencies etc. The "problem" here is that some folks do get "bad" hands dealt.

True. But there is very little in the way of competent astrology out there. If you read Victor Clube's book "The Cosmic Serpent," and really understand how astrology got started, it will give you a lot of food for thought about what is or is not "competent astrology."

Some folks could excel in causing harm to others - due to certain configurations. It's in the stars... A born warrior, thief etc.
Oddly perhaps, this is their "calling".

My experience after doing astrology for 30 years is that it's most often 6 of one, half dozen of the other. More than anything, chart interpretation is a PSYCHIC activity just like Tarot cards.

Sometimes I think it's not karmic influence in deciding when to reincarnate. It seems more apparent that a person's (astrological) makeup is due Solely to the quality of the aetheric matrix (read via natal charts) at the time of birth. Get that?

I actually have the idea that it is symbiotic. The individual soul vibrations match a certain "vibratory window" and that's where they have to go through. In that way, karma certainly does play a part. And, after that same 30 years doing hypnotherapy, doing lots of past life regressions, this is the theory I came to.

We are literally formed by the forces/qualities present at the time/place of birth; regardless of any other circumstance.

I tend to agree, but for the reason stated above. It's also genetics matching.

So you could have been a saint in one incarnation, to then be an ss guard (cause saturn and mars were in such n such etc) in the next.

Maybe in some sense, in some cases. People have fairly consistent tendencies at their core. There can be a lot of suffering that turns a person "bad", but with competent hypnotherapy, they can come to understand it and return to their essence.

We may be caught up in something altogether different. We are mere cells of Gaia. Yet all we do is project this and that, to give Us meaning.

That's certainly partly true, too. But I've experienced so many miracles that I am pretty convinced of the importance of SOME human minds. Maybe not all, but certainly some that are more than just fleas on the back of the dog.

I can still remember an interview I heard with some past celeb who had the opportunity to achieve a deep level of awareness. He was convinced that we are basically bacteria.
The rest is, as they say, Sop.

For him, that may have been true. He may, indeed, have been an OP which is a sort of "bacteria" on the planet.

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I've always enjoyed reading war history and novels. Bad thing perhaps as I'm getting this at the expense of the sufferings of others.
But I've been reading a lot about the WWII campaign on the Eastern front lately. Think I'm tuning into that morphic field or something as my own outlook is turning sour.

You could change your reading. It's up to you.

I'm just humbled, awed and even a bit guilt ridden as to their exploits, sacrifice and endurance. There are times I feel that if I stayed in the army I would've been sent to the middle east, to have been taken out. So I feel I'm past my time here and in a kind of limbo with no purpose. Freaky huh?

Yeah. How about reading Fletcher Prouty's books to get the insider's view of warfare?

I'm 48 and am still clueless as to a calling or dharmic path. Who says everyone has a purpose? Gee, am I getting close to eugenics? Well, I've no kids so I guess I'm ok by them!

To get to a point; note Why the battle of Stalingrad happened the Way it did. Mainly an ego thing. That is, the whole thing could have been avoided (I'm talking about the brutal conditions (like cannibalism), which exceeded most other lengthy battles).
To me, this is the Epitome of...Needless Suffering.

True. So, read Prouty if you haven't already. There are a number of other books you could read, including Political Ponerology, which might explain some of the machinations that lead to war.

Today, I'm not so sure about "lessons", "earth as school" etc. I once came across a book back in the early 90's called something to the effect, Everything I Needed To Know I Learned In Kinder Garden. I Know some of you's have heard of it.

Yes. A good book to read people to sleep.

I think we are going through (The genetic/creative principle's) motions - and then projecting all kinds of glamoury-meaning onto it.

That is probably true. But then, who is the pot to ask the potter, why have you made me thus? Find out what kind of pot you are, and BE it, according to the Divine Command!

According to the takes on sto here, I am fully sts. What makes it hard around here is that everyone is much richer than I. How do you help folks who live in mansions and look at you like your trash?

Well, based on your thoughts above, I don't think you are trash. How do you mean "richer"?

Gee, quite the vent today. Today is weird. This morning I decided to drop all my adventures into hyper dimensional communication. That is, all the supposed hierarchies over there. No more praying, invoking, musing, pondering, exploring. It doesn't go anywhere. It's just more info.

You should drop all those attempts anyway: without a LOT of foundational knowledge, you can only get into problems.

From now on, at least for today!!! it's just me and the Field. I feel empowered by this surprisingly.

Btw, there are schools which are into "feeble breathing".
Info...

From Ark's Quantum Future page:

Those who follow that part of themselves that is great
Become great men
Those who follow that part of themselves that is small
Become small men

[Menzius]

But why is it so that some people achieve...
while others only dream?
Why?

Whatever you can do Or dream you can - Begin it. [W. Goethe]

But what if I have so many dreams? Which one to follow?

Every man has his own vocation. The talent is the call. There is one direction in which all space is open to him. He has faculties silently inviting him thither to endless exertion. He is like a ship in a river; he runs against obstructions on every side but one; on that side all obstruction is taken away, and he sweeps serenely over God's depths into an infinite sea.

This talent and this call depend on his organisation, or the mode in which a general soul incarnates in him. He inclines to do something which is easy to him, and good when it is done, but which no other man can do. He has no rival. For the more truly he consults his own powers, the more difference will his work exhibit from the work of any other. When he is true and faithful, his ambition is exactly proportional to his powers.

By doing his work he makes the need felt which only he can supply. [Emerson]

Never do as others do. Either do nothing, just go to school, or do something no one else does. [ Gurdjieff ]

But that is not all. Why is it so that some people succeed while others are doomed to fail?
Why do some start with good intentions, but meet insurmountable obstacles on their way?
While others make easy progress?
Why is it so?

Oh, yes. There are reasons for that too. This is the greatest of all secrets. But it can be revealed.

The Scroll Marked III

I will persist until I succeed.

In the Orient young bulls are tested for the fight arena in a certain manner. Each is brought to the ring and allowed to attack a picador who pricks them with a lance. The bravery of each bull is then rated with care according to the number of times he demonstrates his willingness to charge in spite of the sting of the blade. Henceforth will I recognize that each day I am tested by life in like manner. If I persist, if I continue to try, if I continue to charge forward, I will succeed.

I will persist until I succeed.

I was not delivered unto this world in defeat, nor does failure course in my veins. I am not a sheep waiting to be prodded by my shepherd. I am a lion and I refuse to talk, to walk, to sleep with the sheep. I will hear not those who weep and complain, for their disease is contagious. Let them join the sheep. The slaughterhouse of failure is not my destiny.

I will persist until I succeed.

The prizes of life are at the end of each journey, not near the beginning; and it is not given to me to know how many steps are necessary in order to reach my goal. Failure I may still encounter at the thousandth step, yet success hides behind the next bend in the road. Never will I know how close it lies unless I turn the corner.

Always will I take another step. If that is of no avail I will take another, and yet another. In truth, one step at a time is not too difficult.

I will persist until I succeed.

Henceforth, I will consider each day's effort as but one blow of my blade against a mighty oak. The first blow may cause not a tremor in the wood, nor the second, nor the third. Each blow, of itself, may be trifling, and seem of no consequence. Yet from childish swipes the oak will eventually tumble. So it will be with my efforts of today.

I will be liken to the rain drop which washes away the mountain; the ant who devours a tiger; the star which brightens the earth; the slave who builds a pyramid. I will build my castle one brick at a time for I know that small attempts, repeated, will complete any undertaking.

I will persist until I succeed.

I will never consider defeat and I will remove from my vocabulary such words and phrases as quit, cannot, unable, impossible, out of the question, improbable, failure, unworkable, hopeless, and retreat; for they are the words of fools. I will avoid despair but if this disease of the mind should infect me then I will work on in despair. I will toil and I will endure. I will ignore the obstacles at my feet and keep mine eyes on the goals above my head, for I know that where dry desert ends, green grass grows.

I will persist until I succeed.

I will remember the ancient law of averages and I will bend it to my good. I will persist with knowledge that each failure to sell will increase my chance for success at the next attempt. Each nay I hear will bring me closer to the sound of yea. Each frown I meet only prepares me for the smile to come. Each misfortune I encounter will carry in it the seed of tomorrow's good luck. I must have the night to appreciate the day. I must fail often to succeed only once.

I will persist until I succeed.

I will try, and try, and try again. Each obstacle I will consider as a mere detour to my goal and a challenge to my profession. I will persist and develop my skills as the mariner develops his, by learning to ride out the wrath of each storm.

I will persist until I succeed.

Henceforth, I will learn and apply another secret of those who excel in my work. When each day is ended, not regarding whether it has been a success or a failure, I will attempt to achieve one more sale. When my thoughts beckon my tired body homeward I will resist the temptation to depart. I will try again. I will make one more attempt to close with victory, and if that fails I will make another. Never will I allow any day to end with a failure. Thus will I plant the seed of tomorrow's success and gain an insurmountable advantage over those who cease their labor at a prescribed time. When others cease their struggle, then mine will begin, and my harvest will be full.

I will persist until I succeed.

Nor will I allow yesterday's success to lull me into today's complacency, for this is the great foundation of failure. I will forget the happenings of the day that is gone, whether they were good or bad, and greet the new sun with confidence that this will be the best day of my life.

So long as there is breath in me, that long will I persist. For now I know one of the greatest principles of success; if I persist long enough I will win.

I will persist.

I will win.

From: (Og Mandino, 'The Greatest Salesman in the World)

 

[wanderer33]

There is so much synchronicity in this thread for me.

Azoth, I have a diploma in astrology and practiced for many years. Laura's view of astrology is spot on.

Bennett discussed this matter. He viewed the horoscope as a fixed potential, the unique strengths and weaknesses with which we have been born.
He also talked about free will and choices which can manipulate the gifts of the horoscope and create destiny. There is the added complexity of transits over time which cause fluctuations in the fixity of the birth chart. These are of a catalytic nature and add to the uniqueness of us as individuals and challenge us through time. But as ARK points out they are necessary for growth. These catalysts can and should be confronted with courage and the freedom of "I will to succeed" discussed in "The Scroll Marked III" (which is a brilliant, inspiring and true quote BTW...helps me a lot :)).

Azoth, as a historian, I am known to be somewhat of an authority on the subject of The Great Patriotic War aka The Russo-German War 1941-1945. If you would like to discuss or have any questions regarding this conflict, please email me. I haven't looked at it for years but I have an extensive library on the subject as it was a focus of an intended PhD thesis. I was interested in the idea of the total sublimation of humanity to machines which was evident and extensive in this conflict.