Eric Pepin - Higher Balance Institute - Discussion
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christx11
Jedi Master
A belated response, but none the less:
I myself was just looking at the docs from Laura's post: Doc Links
And yes, the original complaint names QFG, QFS, SOTT, Laura as defendants.
I was looking at defendants response documents in the above link and they all state the case as "HBI ...." vs. QFG, QFS, SOTT, Laura which is how Pepin's attorneys have styled the case. However, please note that where you see the responding attorney's signature, it says: "Attorneys for Defendant Quantum Future Group, Inc."
I myself was just looking at the docs from Laura's post: Doc Links
And yes, the original complaint names QFG, QFS, SOTT, Laura as defendants.
I was looking at defendants response documents in the above link and they all state the case as "HBI ...." vs. QFG, QFS, SOTT, Laura which is how Pepin's attorneys have styled the case. However, please note that where you see the responding attorney's signature, it says: "Attorneys for Defendant Quantum Future Group, Inc."
A little update:
Our attorneys have filed a motion to reverse the expungment of Eric Pepin's criminal records. You can read the whole shebang right here:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/QNTM%20Motion%20Dec%20&%20Exhibits%20re%20Pepin.pdf
Our attorneys have filed a motion to reverse the expungment of Eric Pepin's criminal records. You can read the whole shebang right here:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/QNTM%20Motion%20Dec%20&%20Exhibits%20re%20Pepin.pdf
dant
The Living Force
Whew. Got through the PDF file.
What confuses me is, how does one reverse what has already
been expunged? I'll bet that ALL records are kept (never physically
destroyed, although the Whitehouse is a different story :D), but expunged
only means that it is "publically, off the books", although they can be
easily restored from the private archives? Nowadays, it is probably
akin to setting a "private/public" flag in the database, imo.
So, if the court is able to reverse what is expunged, does that the
court is lying when it says: "There is no record of this case, it has
been expunged"?
What a twist!
What confuses me is, how does one reverse what has already
been expunged? I'll bet that ALL records are kept (never physically
destroyed, although the Whitehouse is a different story :D), but expunged
only means that it is "publically, off the books", although they can be
easily restored from the private archives? Nowadays, it is probably
akin to setting a "private/public" flag in the database, imo.
So, if the court is able to reverse what is expunged, does that the
court is lying when it says: "There is no record of this case, it has
been expunged"?
What a twist!
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
As explained on a criminal law website:dant said:
Expungement is often equated to the sealing or destroying of legal records. Each state offers its own definition of expungement, based on different rules and laws. Generally, expungement can be viewed as the process to "remove from general review" the records pertaining to a case. But the records may not completely "disappear" and may still be available to law enforcement.
Interestingly, expungement gives the accused in a case the right to state that he has never been arrested, tried, or convicted of the relevant criminal offence. It also denies access to most people (except in specific limited situations) access to the case records. However, it does not in any way restrict third-parties from speaking/writing openly about the facts of the case if their information comes from other sources (e.g. personal knowledge, newspaper articles, media reports, other parties to the case, etc.).
That's probably why Pepin was so busy trying to bury absolutely any mention of the case whatsoever, including this forum discussion.PepperFritz said:
I guess he never thought about the fact that if he filed a defamation lawsuit against persons discussing the case as it was presented in the news, that it would lead to the possibility of having the expungement reversed. And then, of course, whatever is in that case record that is pertinent to the defamation defense becomes a part of the defamation case record.
Pepin really should have quit while he was ahead. The thread had already faded to forum oblivion before he sent his groupies. It would have faded completely from the internet after a couple months of total inactivity.
Don't want to speculate too much here but the expression "shooting oneself in the foot" does come to mind.
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
Indeed. He seems to have completely misunderstood what an acquittal and record-expungement means. Apparently he thinks that because he himself can act as though the whole thing never happened, and because the court has to act as though the whole thing never happened, therefore EVERYONE must act as though the whole thing never happened. He thinks that a "not-guilty" verdict means "innocent", and that the verdict somehow "vindicated" him, and wiped clean his reputation.Laura said:
As has been said so often on this forum... wishful thinking will get ya every time....
dant
The Living Force
So, the legal definition of expungment varies according to it's locality.
So, if reverse expungment were requested, and if the records were
erased from existence, then what recourse is there for the defendant?
Justice served or Justice denied? What a tangled weave.
As for the right of the accused to state they have never been arrested
(of which they factually were), perhaps this is understandable in cases
where there were 'false arrests', or 'arrests that did not result in a
conviction', and so on, so perhaps it makes sense to have these records
removed from all sources as if they never existed in the first place?
But as it seems, from reading the PDF file, it appeared that there was
an attempt to abuse expungment so as to be legally "clean" prior to
accusing a defendant, osis. Somehow this reminds of of what the
CIA did to the detainees prior to FBI "clean interrogations"
I can see both reasonable and abusive use of expungement requests.
I guess it cuts both ways, depending on who benefits.
Hmm... very interesting, this case.
FWIW,
Dan
So, if reverse expungment were requested, and if the records were
erased from existence, then what recourse is there for the defendant?
Justice served or Justice denied? What a tangled weave.
As for the right of the accused to state they have never been arrested
(of which they factually were), perhaps this is understandable in cases
where there were 'false arrests', or 'arrests that did not result in a
conviction', and so on, so perhaps it makes sense to have these records
removed from all sources as if they never existed in the first place?
But as it seems, from reading the PDF file, it appeared that there was
an attempt to abuse expungment so as to be legally "clean" prior to
accusing a defendant, osis. Somehow this reminds of of what the
CIA did to the detainees prior to FBI "clean interrogations"
I can see both reasonable and abusive use of expungement requests.
I guess it cuts both ways, depending on who benefits.
Hmm... very interesting, this case.
FWIW,
Dan
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Hi dant, it's my understanding that the records are never erased from existence - that's not how it works. They are simply sealed, usually even to every day law enforcement searches, but they are still in existence and can be accessed by those 'higher' up the line if need be, or by the court if need be.dant said:
Heck, in this day and age, nothing is probably ever completely erased, but I agree with what you've written about abuse of the process and also its warranted use as well.
PepperFritz
The Cosmic Force
My understanding is that they are never "destroyed" or "erased", just placed under restricted access, since under expungement access is still granted to certain agencies on a very limited basis.dant said:
Which, technically, would include Pepin's case, since he was not convicted.dant said:
An "attempt", yes. Time will tell, but I highly doubt that the attempt will succeed in the long-run.dant said:
Yes, it appears that way and the attys even pointed that out in the memorandum supporting the motion; that Pepin appears to have had an agenda when he filed for expungement.dant said:
The interesting thing to note is that, every time the attys file a motion, they generally include the Oregonian articles as exhibits, so that means there are now even more legal records of Pepin's doings available for perusal.
I guess it is possible to shoot oneself in both feet simultaneously.
Pepin's attys have finally filed their responses.
Here you will find Eric Robison's declaration about HBI, who they are, and which says, pretty much, that Eric Pepin has nothing to do with HBI except being president.
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_Robison_dec.pdf
Here you will find the declaration of Chad Colton, Pepin's atty:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_colton_dec.pdf
You will notice that he isn't even able to get the publicly available facts straight. He writes:
Secondly, I am not quoted accurately above. I would NEVER write "a COINTELPRO" in that particular syntactical context. Also, the comment about changing the title of the thread was an administrative comment placed in the first post to notify the creator of the thread why the title that he had originally created had been changed. That administrative comment still exists in that first post, unchanged, even though we again changed the thread title as a gesture of kindness toward the HBI folks.
What strikes me as gross incompetence on the part of these clowns is that they conflate the sott page itself with the forum which is altogether different. Yes, there is a section of this forum that is allocated to the sott page, but the rest of the forum is not a reflection of the sott news page and is not restricted to the topics that are covered on sott.
Here's a declaration by another of Pepin's attys: http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_hughey_dec.pdf
Enjoy that one.
Notice all the small errors these guys make... errors in reading comprehension etc. Very telling.
This one is the Opposition to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_jurisdiction.pdf
Notice that their "point" is that it was defamation of HBI that is at issue. Yeah, sure, Pepin got arrested and tried and maybe if we had just yakked about him, no harm done... but because it was about HBI which is TOTALLY SEPARATE from Pepin (he's just the president, doncha know, has nothing to do with any of it...) then that's the basis for jurisdiction because, HBI is an OREGON company.
Here's the next goodie: The Opposition to the Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Capacity. That is, an opposition to our declaration that you can't sue sott or qfs because they are not legal entities...
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_Capacity_response.pdf
You see, they want to "take discovery." Problem is, there is no discovery to be made! An esoteric discussion group that exists in cyberspace that we call QFS is not a legal entity in any sense. When the people who get together to discuss in cyberspace occasionally get together in person, that also is no more a legal entity than a group of people who get together to have a conversation about their lives. Because, that, basically, is all it amounts to! Any person who resonates with our "view of reality" is a "member" for as long as they want to discuss. There are no duties or dues. QFS is simply a group of people bound together by agreement on a fundamental view of the world. Period. It operates in cyberspace, primarily, without officers, agents or formal structure. Any member who choses to be active and to speak, write, or do whatever, can do so as they see fit. I mean, there just isn't any more! And the SOTT editors group is pretty much the same thing! We gave them the whole scoop in our filings! There isn't any more to say; nothing to "discover"!!!!
Nevertheless, they have their own twisted view of everything that smacks strongly of the influence of that pathological deviant Vincent Bridges. Which brings us to the opposition to the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/HBI_oppose_%20memorandum.pdf
This one is priceless for a number of reasons!
First, notice how QFG and yours truly is conflated with QFS and SOTT and vice versa and round about! BUT, do not for a moment conflate Eric Pepin with HBI! He's just the president who was unfortunately, accused of sexual improprieties but that has nothing to do with HBI... completely separate, doncha know?!
However, I, on the other hand, am some sort of all-powerful svengali who MUST be conflated with QFS, SOTT, QFG, and all my "cult minions," because, of course, we are SOOOO secretive and live in a compound and all that!
They've pulled out all the stops, eh? "Conspiracy theorist", "channeling alien life forms," I "control" all those people, and the whole nine yards. Pure Vinnie Bridges. He's the one who rants about "channeling aliens", cult "control" and the whole nine yards. Of course, he (and Pepin, apparently), don't want to talk about their own "conspiracy theories."
Pepin is not a "master manipulator" wearing a purple robe and doing all the young boys, but I am a "controller" who "dips into the till", never mind that the amount of money that we get in a year to support 15 to 25 people keeps all of us living below poverty level, and that MOST of the money we make is brought in by sales of MY books which I freely give back to QFG to support the websites, other researchers, etc.
What a bunch of cretins these guys are.
But, of course, all of this is leading up to - drumroll please - Motion for Discovery.
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_discovery_memo.pdf
These whackos actually think there is something to "discover"!!!
Like we don't tell everything right out front in public!
Oh, certainly, I DID delete the QFS website which, as many of you readers know, consisted of articles written by QFS members and had photo albums of our various real life get togethers. I removed it to protect the privacy of the many people who have visited with us over the years. That website had nothing at all about "structure and operation" because THERE ISN'T ANY!
QFG is all there is in terms of "structure" and "operation". The articles of incorporation for QFG are public documents. So are our IRS filings. They pretty much tell who we are, what our aims are, and what we do. There is no more! Nobody is an employee of anything because we don't have employees. Period. I don't own anything. I don't control anything. How many ways can that be said? There is no pot of gold! There is no "secrecy". There is no one "holed up" anywhere. There is no "compound" - it's a house on a road, with neighbors and friends and work almost 24/7 for everyone here. That's it.
There IS NO MORE, you idiots! "Discovery" will get you exactly zero, zip, zilch, nada because it does not exist! You got it all, right there in our declarations, and every word was carefully chosen to represent the exact truth!
Here you will find Eric Robison's declaration about HBI, who they are, and which says, pretty much, that Eric Pepin has nothing to do with HBI except being president.
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_Robison_dec.pdf
Here you will find the declaration of Chad Colton, Pepin's atty:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_colton_dec.pdf
You will notice that he isn't even able to get the publicly available facts straight. He writes:
First of all, the thread was not created by me, so I did not post "a SOTT forum thread."
Secondly, I am not quoted accurately above. I would NEVER write "a COINTELPRO" in that particular syntactical context. Also, the comment about changing the title of the thread was an administrative comment placed in the first post to notify the creator of the thread why the title that he had originally created had been changed. That administrative comment still exists in that first post, unchanged, even though we again changed the thread title as a gesture of kindness toward the HBI folks.
What strikes me as gross incompetence on the part of these clowns is that they conflate the sott page itself with the forum which is altogether different. Yes, there is a section of this forum that is allocated to the sott page, but the rest of the forum is not a reflection of the sott news page and is not restricted to the topics that are covered on sott.
Here's a declaration by another of Pepin's attys: http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_hughey_dec.pdf
Enjoy that one.
Notice all the small errors these guys make... errors in reading comprehension etc. Very telling.
This one is the Opposition to Dismiss for Lack of Jurisdiction:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_jurisdiction.pdf
Notice that their "point" is that it was defamation of HBI that is at issue. Yeah, sure, Pepin got arrested and tried and maybe if we had just yakked about him, no harm done... but because it was about HBI which is TOTALLY SEPARATE from Pepin (he's just the president, doncha know, has nothing to do with any of it...) then that's the basis for jurisdiction because, HBI is an OREGON company.
Here's the next goodie: The Opposition to the Motion to Dismiss for Lack of Capacity. That is, an opposition to our declaration that you can't sue sott or qfs because they are not legal entities...
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_Capacity_response.pdf
You see, they want to "take discovery." Problem is, there is no discovery to be made! An esoteric discussion group that exists in cyberspace that we call QFS is not a legal entity in any sense. When the people who get together to discuss in cyberspace occasionally get together in person, that also is no more a legal entity than a group of people who get together to have a conversation about their lives. Because, that, basically, is all it amounts to! Any person who resonates with our "view of reality" is a "member" for as long as they want to discuss. There are no duties or dues. QFS is simply a group of people bound together by agreement on a fundamental view of the world. Period. It operates in cyberspace, primarily, without officers, agents or formal structure. Any member who choses to be active and to speak, write, or do whatever, can do so as they see fit. I mean, there just isn't any more! And the SOTT editors group is pretty much the same thing! We gave them the whole scoop in our filings! There isn't any more to say; nothing to "discover"!!!!
Nevertheless, they have their own twisted view of everything that smacks strongly of the influence of that pathological deviant Vincent Bridges. Which brings us to the opposition to the anti-SLAPP motion:
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/HBI_oppose_%20memorandum.pdf
This one is priceless for a number of reasons!
First, notice how QFG and yours truly is conflated with QFS and SOTT and vice versa and round about! BUT, do not for a moment conflate Eric Pepin with HBI! He's just the president who was unfortunately, accused of sexual improprieties but that has nothing to do with HBI... completely separate, doncha know?!
However, I, on the other hand, am some sort of all-powerful svengali who MUST be conflated with QFS, SOTT, QFG, and all my "cult minions," because, of course, we are SOOOO secretive and live in a compound and all that!
They've pulled out all the stops, eh? "Conspiracy theorist", "channeling alien life forms," I "control" all those people, and the whole nine yards. Pure Vinnie Bridges. He's the one who rants about "channeling aliens", cult "control" and the whole nine yards. Of course, he (and Pepin, apparently), don't want to talk about their own "conspiracy theories."
Pepin is not a "master manipulator" wearing a purple robe and doing all the young boys, but I am a "controller" who "dips into the till", never mind that the amount of money that we get in a year to support 15 to 25 people keeps all of us living below poverty level, and that MOST of the money we make is brought in by sales of MY books which I freely give back to QFG to support the websites, other researchers, etc.
What a bunch of cretins these guys are.
But, of course, all of this is leading up to - drumroll please - Motion for Discovery.
http://quantumfuturegroup.org/HBI_Case_Documents/oppose_discovery_memo.pdf
These whackos actually think there is something to "discover"!!!
Like we don't tell everything right out front in public!
Oh, certainly, I DID delete the QFS website which, as many of you readers know, consisted of articles written by QFS members and had photo albums of our various real life get togethers. I removed it to protect the privacy of the many people who have visited with us over the years. That website had nothing at all about "structure and operation" because THERE ISN'T ANY!
QFG is all there is in terms of "structure" and "operation". The articles of incorporation for QFG are public documents. So are our IRS filings. They pretty much tell who we are, what our aims are, and what we do. There is no more! Nobody is an employee of anything because we don't have employees. Period. I don't own anything. I don't control anything. How many ways can that be said? There is no pot of gold! There is no "secrecy". There is no one "holed up" anywhere. There is no "compound" - it's a house on a road, with neighbors and friends and work almost 24/7 for everyone here. That's it.
There IS NO MORE, you idiots! "Discovery" will get you exactly zero, zip, zilch, nada because it does not exist! You got it all, right there in our declarations, and every word was carefully chosen to represent the exact truth!
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
Looks like they're just trying to make you out to be some lunatic -- and Master Eric is the one who's made his fortune off his 'remote viewing' - for god's sake.
It's ridiculous. What's this 'alter ego' thing - do they honestly believe that you are posting under different names on the forum and that there is no 'anart', 'Ryan' or 'Beau' - or anyone else probably?
You really do have a lot of free time on your hands to post 24/7 from IP addresses all around the world and still write books and articles - super human, indeed.
I must admit to being rather surprised by the lack of research/fact finding and intelligence evidenced by Pepin's attorneys - I guess they're just doing anything they can to try to muddy the waters away from the initial point of the suit and how ridiculous it is - but it's so obvious.
If they're hinging their case on the non-existence of other forum members, or on all the members of this forum living in one place on some 'compound', then they're really in bad shape. Isn't the point that what was discussed here was based on facts presented in the main stream media and it was a discussion and nothing more? I mean - it's just idiotic.
It's ridiculous. What's this 'alter ego' thing - do they honestly believe that you are posting under different names on the forum and that there is no 'anart', 'Ryan' or 'Beau' - or anyone else probably?
You really do have a lot of free time on your hands to post 24/7 from IP addresses all around the world and still write books and articles - super human, indeed.I must admit to being rather surprised by the lack of research/fact finding and intelligence evidenced by Pepin's attorneys - I guess they're just doing anything they can to try to muddy the waters away from the initial point of the suit and how ridiculous it is - but it's so obvious.
If they're hinging their case on the non-existence of other forum members, or on all the members of this forum living in one place on some 'compound', then they're really in bad shape. Isn't the point that what was discussed here was based on facts presented in the main stream media and it was a discussion and nothing more? I mean - it's just idiotic.
T
the rabbit
Guest
Absolutely im once again gobsmacked by all of this , its a DUH! moment.anart said:
The guy says he´s a remote viewer for cryin out loud cant he see us all in our individual rooms across the world , and noticing in particular that I have the cleanest computer place area on the planet. I mean he could´nt possibly miss my "welcome master Eric" flag on the wall.
Ho Hum.
So whats next , do we all send him a postcard at the same time. Hey thats not a bad idea ! :)
Discover this written on them.
