Etruscans and time travel

[Satori]

Hi Anart

Thanks for trying to clarify things regarding this issue, however you also have misunderstood. Maybe it's my fault for not explaining things clearly? But where did you get the ritual from? I read back my earlier text and i can't find any mention of any rituals!!! Let me clear this up once and for all, i don't do rituals, unless you call meditation a ritual

From an on line dictionary

rit·u·al (rch-l)
n.
1.
a. The prescribed order of a religious ceremony.
b. The body of ceremonies or rites used in a place of worship.
2.
a. The prescribed form of conducting a formal secular ceremony: the ritual of an inauguration.
b. The body of ceremonies used by a fraternal organization.
3. A book of rites or ceremonial forms.
4. rituals
a. A ceremonial act or a series of such acts.
b. The performance of such acts.
5.
a. A detailed method of procedure faithfully or regularly followed: My household chores have become a morning ritual.
b. A state or condition characterized by the presence of established procedure or routine: "Prison was a ritualreenacted daily, year in, year out. Prisoners came and went; generations came and went; and yet the ritual endured" (William H. Hallahan).

First of all as I stated in a previous text, I don't use crystals all the time when meditating. Also I am fully aware that I am in control and that when I choose to use a crystal it simply enhances my own abilities, i use different crystals for different activities and those crystals have been programmed by myself for a specific purpose.

The crystal is a tool, NOT the source. The "Record Keeper" is also a tool for accessing universal knowledge that is tuned into a particular frequency. Think about it as a radio receiver.

If you wish to contact a friend who lives 5 miles away, you would probably choose to use a telephone to save you time from walking/driving 10 miles return journey. The telephone is a useful tool and it saves you loads of time and effort. If you were to take 5b (quoted above from an on line dictionary) then maybe you could be accused of using a ritual to phone that friend because when you need to contact them you regularly use the phone. So if you're saying that, then we are all guilty of many rituals. But think about it for a minute.....do you REALLY think that's what the C's are getting at. I don't think so

 

[Satori]

Jakesully, thanks for your earlier post. But as for this problem with using crystals, you have looked at the C's message regarding crystals but have misrepresented what they say and again I will state that I DON'T USE CRYSTALS FOR PROTECTION

Here's a quote from the C's link you posted

Q: (L) Do any of the rituals we perform provide protection against further abduction?
A: Maybe. Some Crystals with energy fields. Don't need protection if you have knowledge.

Q: (L) What about the rocks? [We had been discussing large crystals on a nearby table.]
A: Put in sunlight for two days.
Q: (L) And what will that do?
A: Energize.
Q: (L) Energized to do what?
A: Provide power to you.

They do not in any way state that you should not use crystals!!!!!!! Only that you do not need to use them for protection (which i don't). In fact they clearly advise Laura how to energise them and that they will give her power. Please stop this attack on something you don't understand. My thoughts as ever are open and I am willing to be convinced that something I currently believe could be wrong. But people, can we have some intelligent debate rather than a witch hunt. Next you're gonna say that there's no such thing as UFOs or maybe that we should not use herbs for healing.

Knowledge is a wonderfull thing, but a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing

 

[anart]

Do you see how strongly you're defending your crystals and your ritual?

 

[Satori]

anart

yes i'm defending the use of crystals, but not the use of rituals. Where is the ritual?

As i clearly stated before, i'm very happy to enter into intelligent debate about the use of crystals, but i'm not getting one, shame

Do you see how you are defending your dogma?

 

[Jakesully]

anart

yes i'm defending the use of crystals, but not the use of rituals. Where is the ritual?

As i clearly stated before, i'm very happy to enter into intelligent debate about the use of crystals, but i'm not getting one, shame

Do you see how you are defending your dogma?

All things being equal, I think it's good every now and then to take a step back and question even those convictions that seem to be most well-founded, and see that even though your approach may be factually correct that crystals can provide temporary benefits, the point of this forum and what I'm trying to communicate to you is that they are only useful as far as this forum and community are concerned insofar as they help you in your own Work. The point is not to discount or misrepresent the value of crystals, but to "price" that value properly, to put them in their proper (impeccable) place in terms of the Work.

Also be aware that from time to time people in this community may "scratch" you simply to see how you react, whether your reaction indicates the mind of the predator at work.

 

[anart]

anart

yes i'm defending the use of crystals,

This is a good start. Can you, possibly, self-observe and consider why you are defending the use of crystals and get to the root of why you are so identified with them?

but not the use of rituals. Where is the ritual?

The ritual is in your belief that using these crystals will effect a result of some sort. It is the dependence upon an object to effect a result, in a spiritual way. At its core - it is the dependence that reveals the ritual.

If you refuse to look at this - if you refuse to stop for just a moment and consider that your defensive responses are proof of your psychological dependence then there is no reason to continue this discussion.

As i clearly stated before, i'm very happy to enter into intelligent debate about the use of crystals,

Clearly, from your responses thus far, you are not, but this forum is not interested in debate, anyway. This forum is interested in discussion and there is a difference. You have received informed input and you are pushing back with the energy and flavor of one who NEEDS his crystals - that says volumes.

Do you see how you are defending your dogma?

Do you see you are projecting? If you've spent any time at all reading this forum then you know dogma is fully absent. So, Satori, are you ready and interested in opening your mind to the possibility that you might not be seeing your own behavior and reliance on crystals and using them in a very specific way (ritual) as it is? Are you willing to consider that your legalistic nitpicking over the word ritual reveals the energy behind your dependence and subjectivity?

I hope you are, because I think that once you are willing to actually look at this how it is, instead of how you've portrayed it in your mind/emotions, that you'll learn a lot! :)

Just to clarify, again, it is really less the specific use of crystals in a ritualistic way, Satori, than the energy with which you defend their use - this energy indicates a strong identification and reliance/dependence - which is - energetically - restricting. However, with all that said, perhaps you're not really interested in examining this - as always, it's your choice.

 

[tykes]

They do not in any way state that you should not use crystals!!!!!!! Only that you do not need to use them for protection (which i don't). In fact they clearly advise Laura how to energise them and that they will give her power. Please stop this attack on something you don't understand. My thoughts as ever are open and I am willing to be convinced that something I currently believe could be wrong. But people, can we have some intelligent debate rather than a witch hunt. Next you're gonna say that there's no such thing as UFOs or maybe that we should not use herbs for healing.

Knowledge is a wonderfull thing, but a little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing

Satori, maybe you could find useful this Laura´s Statement from Adventures With Cassiopaea wich is often mentioned here in the forum:

Reading the transcripts directly you may be to see some of these things from an external point of view, but without this background, you can have very little idea of what is behind the questions, or what was discovered between sessions. It is rather like watching a person who is reading hundreds of books from a distance. You can see them devouring the material on the page, and once in awhile they will talk about one or another point that they are reading, but for the most part, the drama between the reader and the book is inaccessible.

hope this helps.

 

[Laura]

Satori, I've deleted that text that you found since it is nothing but the word salad nonsense of a perverted black magician trying to attract followers. What you have found has nothing to do with math or time travel or Etruscans. In fact, this thread is nothing but noise and I'm considering deleting the entire thing.

 

[Satori]

To Laura, Tykes, Anart and Jakesully

I'm a bit lost for words here. I didn't realise that link was to do with black magic, i totally missed that! So apologies for bringing that sort of stuff here, that was not my intent.

I am going through a tough time at the moment, seem to be permanently under attack. Last nights posts seemed like another attack and i went into defense mode. I have gained many benefits from sott and the forum, not least of which have been the excellent posts regarding health amongst others. For many months i was one of the people who came here and read, but did not contribute for fear of looking foolish and not being good enough. Maybe because of that fear i have created that situation? Maybe my use of the crystals is a sort of ritual, although to be honest at this stage I'm struggling with that, i can see how it could be perceived as a crux though and it probably is.

I hope this post is not deleted, although i can now see why it could be perceived as negative. My hope is that we can better understand each other. We could just end the discussion and i would be quite happy to never mention the crystals again if you feel that helps. However that doesn't feel the right approach to me, it would be like sweeping the problem under the rug. In my experience that doesn't resolve things, and i do want to.

I now see in the light of day that anger took me over last night, i took offense at being called self-delusional by SAD. If i was a better man i would have ignored that comment.

Maybe we should start another thread about the use of crystals? Are there others here that use them?

I'm not into magic and I'm not into witchcraft, i have a strong faith but i am not connected to any religious movement or belief system. I have however studied various belief systems.

Maybe by inadvertently posting the black magic rubbish i set alarm bells ringing, i can see how that could happen. Maybe i should stop posting till I've "grown" at bit more?

Not quite sure where to go from here as lack of understanding seems to reign regarding the crystals.

Just thinking about time travel and going back and changing my first post to "what about crystals?" and forgeting the other stuff for now. Maybe Laura's right that we should delete this thread and start over with an open discussion about the use of crystals? Maybe ask the C's about it?

Maybe I'm just digging myself a deeper hole? Or maybe some good will come from this for all?

Very sorry about my angry responses to all concerned :(

 

[Mrs. Peel]

Not quite sure where to go from here as lack of understanding seems to reign regarding the crystals.

Satori,

Did you catch this explanation in Anart's post? Or are you speaking of "our" lack of understanding regarding crystals?

Anart

The ritual is in your belief that using these crystals will effect a result of some sort. It is the dependence upon an object to effect a result, in a spiritual way. At its core - it is the dependence that reveals the ritual.

Just to clarify, again, it is really less the specific use of crystals in a ritualistic way, Satori, than the energy with which you defend their use - this energy indicates a strong identification and reliance/dependence - which is - energetically - restricting.

 

[Laura]

I think that if you will read a bit around the forum and familiarize yourself with what everyone else is familiar, you'll then know where the sore toes are!

 

[stellar]

I'm a little confused. I can understand the sun energizing something, but the moon?? I could understand the moon 'influencing' as in the tides but I'm not sure about energizing. Although I cannot find the specific quote (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but I think I remember the C's saying that the moon is an artificial satelite.

 

[Satori]

Thanks Laura and Mrs Peel for replying

To be honest I think there is what you might call a communication breakdown and clearly the fault lies with me.

The ritual is in your belief that using these crystals will effect a result of some sort. It is the dependence upon an object to effect a result, in a spiritual way. At its core - it is the dependence that reveals the ritual.

This i do understand and I'm greatfull to Anart for the explanation. I shall meditate on it (without crystals).

Do you see you are projecting?

This bit i don't quite understand. What does he mean?

 

[neema]

Thanks Laura and Mrs Peel for replying

To be honest I think there is what you might call a communication breakdown and clearly the fault lies with me.

The ritual is in your belief that using these crystals will effect a result of some sort. It is the dependence upon an object to effect a result, in a spiritual way. At its core - it is the dependence that reveals the ritual.

This i do understand and I'm greatfull to Anart for the explanation. I shall meditate on it (without crystals).

Do you see you are projecting?

This bit i don't quite understand. What does he mean?

Hi Satori,

I think what Anart is saying, is that you are in fact projecting your own "defending your dogma", on to this thread, and seeing in others what you yourself is actually doing.

In my opinion, you have taken the right step, if you are sincere, in trying to communicate and understand. I always try and remember what my goal is, whenever I face an opposing point of view. Do I want to communicate (Understand) or do I want to be right.

I'm a little confused. I can understand the sun energizing something, but the moon?? I could understand the moon 'influencing' as in the tides but I'm not sure about energizing. Although I cannot find the specific quote (and please correct me if I'm wrong) but I think I remember the C's saying that the moon is an artificial satelite.

Although this seems like a side track issue, in general I think if you look at the crystals and the planets in our solar system as a form of forgotten or not understood technology, which by the way the Atlanteans seem to have mastered with cruel implications, might help you with understanding the possibilities.

To me our solar system resembles a very interesting engine.

 

[Satori]

Hi Neema

Thanks for your input. Yes I've been thinking about what was meant by projecting and I think you're right. I was projecting a lot of negativity, appologies to anyone who picked up on that.

I also agree that i was defending my position more so than entering an open debate. I fell into the trap of being "fixed" about my opinion and forgot some basic principles in life that should never be forgotten, that is that "you never know enough" and "there's always someone out there who knows more"

Although this seems like a side track issue, in general I think if you look at the crystals and the planets in our solar system as a form of forgotten or not understood technology, which by the way the Atlanteans seem to have mastered with cruel implications, might help you with understanding the possibilities.

To me our solar system resembles a very interesting engine.

I don't think that's off track at all, very interesting