Exposing Online Predators & Cyberpaths

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Geeezzzz...now Barbara (or someone?) has put up a blog about Mary. This whole thing is like a scene from Deliverance...Dueling Bloggers "da da da da da da da da da"
http://marymcgrannahan.blogspot.com/

What do Camwell and McGrannahan have in common, other than the fact they're both batballs psycho? Neither of them offer one scrap of evidence about each other on their blogs.

Well, I think we need to fix that...for both of them. :evil:
 
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What do Camwell and McGrannahan have in common, other than the fact they're both batballs psycho? Neither of them offer one scrap of evidence about each other on their blogs.

They are committed to being energy sucking vampires, and it appears that's how they get their kicks? :barf:
 
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Gimpy said:
What do Camwell and McGrannahan have in common, other than the fact they're both batballs psycho? Neither of them offer one scrap of evidence about each other on their blogs.

They are committed to being energy sucking vampires, and it appears that's how they get their kicks? :barf:

OK... 3 things in common :lol:
 
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This is all so enlightning. The whole thing about working for cash being a felony. You know, Sandra Brown MA takes a lot of cash for her books and services. Guess you'd be report that, Guardian. And I'm pretty sure that impersonating a psychotherapist without educational credential or a license is a crime in North Carolina. Better report Sandra Brown MA for that too. Don't bother. Some of us will do it for you. :evil:
 
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I notice this place has a Paypal donation button. Hmmmmm. Would that be considered taking cash? Is that a felony too, Guardian?
Wonder how many people on here have defaulted on a credit card due to financial problems. You're being pretty high handed here, Guardian.
Is that all you can dredge up on this woman? Millions of people have lost their homes to foreclosure, lost their jobs and couldn't pay their credit cards. Are you going to attack all of them too? Isn't your problem with Mary Mcgrannahan is that she found out that Sandra Brown MA had been posing as a psychotherapist for years without having the education or license to do so, and is going to blow the whistle on her? Let's see if you remove a link to some cold hard truth. That Sandra Brown MA is violating the laws of North Carolina, both as posing a psychotherapist, and in offering any 'counseling' services whatsoever.



It shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this Article to engage in the
practice of counseling, use the title "Licensed Professional Counselor Associate," "Licensed
Professional Counselor," or "Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor," use the letters
"LPCA," "LPC," or "LPCS," use any facsimile or combination of these words or letters,
abbreviations, or insignia, or indicate or imply orally, in writing, or in any other way that the
person is a licensed professional counselor. (1983, c. 755, s. 1; 1993, c. 514, s. 1; 2001-487, s.
40(k); 2009-367, s. 2.)

http://www.ncblpc.org/law-and-codes

Article 24 of the Licesed Professional Counselors Act

If you want discuss who is a felon, perhaps you should be talking about Sandra Brown, MA.
 
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The mesmerized troll has been removed from the forum. Posts were left for evidence of the pathological thinking - just like last time.
 
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Guardian said:
Geeezzzz...now Barbara (or someone?) has put up a blog about Mary. This whole thing is like a scene from Deliverance...Dueling Bloggers "da da da da da da da da da"
http://marymcgrannahan.blogspot.com/

What do Camwell and McGrannahan have in common, other than the fact they're both batballs psycho? Neither of them offer one scrap of evidence about each other on their blogs.

Well, I think we need to fix that...for both of them. :evil:

I saw the new Blogger page a couple of days ago, it's new and I've been watching almost daily. The text is exactly the same text as was on McGrannahan's Filthy Liar page, which Barb took down along with her own FL page. I suppose someone ELSE could have copied and pasted McGrannahan's Filthy Liar page onto Blogger . . . but Occam's Razor suggests the "style" is sooooooooooo Barbara Camwell :cool:

Dontcha know, shite slinging IS evidence to psychodorks?
 
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Briseis said:
I saw the new Blogger page a couple of days ago, it's new and I've been watching almost daily. The text is exactly the same text as was on McGrannahan's Filthy Liar page, which Barb took down along with her own FL page. I suppose someone ELSE could have copied and pasted McGrannahan's Filthy Liar page onto Blogger . . . but Occam's Razor suggests the "style" is sooooooooooo Barbara Camwell :cool:

Dontcha know, shite slinging IS evidence to psychodorks?

Yeah, I gathered that. :rolleyes:
Barbara Camwell Ness and Mary McGrannahan really are two peas in a pod....both lying about each other when just telling the truth would be far more damning. The fact is that Ness's kids are not stupid or "retarded" and McGrannahan did not starve her dogs. There is a LONGGGGGGG list of things McGrannahan has done, but neglect her dogs is not on it. I have pictures of them when she was looking for new homes for them and every one of them looks rolly polly happy. Not a rib to be seen in the pack.

Both of them even lie when the truth would serve their purpose better?
 
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Mesmerized said:
This is all so enlightning. The whole thing about working for cash being a felony.

No, "under the table" means working for cash when both the employee and employer do not report the payments. Since McGrannahan has multiple garnishments against her, her employer would also be legally responsible for withholding payment, especially for tax garnishments.

You know, Sandra Brown MA takes a lot of cash for her books and services. Guess you'd be report that, Guardian.
Why? Both the bookseller (Amazon) and Sandra report the sales and pay their taxes accordingly. Likewise for any services she offers. The people who pay usually take a deduction and the person receiving the payment declares it. This is how normal people do business, but being abnormal, you can't understand this concept. You assume that everyone lies, cheats and steals like you do. We don't.

And I'm pretty sure that impersonating a psychotherapist without educational credential or a license is a crime in North Carolina.

I have to wonder if you are even capable of telling the truth at this point? Have you been lying for so long that you've actually forgotten how to tell the truth? What's even more amazing is that you actually think anyone believes a word that comes out of your mouth.

Better report Sandra Brown MA for that too. Don't bother. Some of us will do it for you. :evil:

Well then quit yapping about it and do it. Sandra is in full compliance with NC law, and you know it...which is why you are completely powerless to do anything but run off at the mouth and lie through your tooth.
 
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Mesmerized said:
I notice this place has a Paypal donation button. Hmmmmm. Would that be considered taking cash? Is that a felony too, Guardian?

Only if you don't report the income. McGrannahan can't report her income because multiple creditors would attach it, and Camwell is collecting disability which has strict earning limits. Again they are very much alike, Mary is Barbara's little "mini-me" Barbara has used Mary from day one, and she's still using her.

Wonder how many people on here have defaulted on a credit card due to financial problems. You're being pretty high handed here, Guardian.
Is that all you can dredge up on this woman? Millions of people have lost their homes to foreclosure, lost their jobs and couldn't pay their credit cards.

Very true, and very sad. My point is that McGrannahan denied knowing about the multiple civil suits and garnishments against her (you) in an email posted to this thread:
and geeeeee Betsy, since i'm involved in so many civil cases you'd think i'd know ALL ABOUT THEM.

The FACT is that there are multiple judgements and lawsuits against McGrannahan, spanning over a decade, which can be viewed here:
https://www.courts.mo.gov/casenet/cases/searchCases.do

It is also a fact that Monika Magness' address is being used in some of these filings, which at the very least will have a serious impact on her Credit Score. Of course if she's a total deadbeat like McGrannahan, that won't matter to her either. Her business "Animals at Home" will certainly suffer when all of this is posted publicly in an understandable format, in numerous prominent locations, since it seriously affects her trustworthiness and whether or not clients would want to give such a person access to their homes.

Isn't your problem with Mary Mcgrannahan is that she found out that Sandra Brown MA had been posing as a psychotherapist for years without having the education or license to do so, and is going to blow the whistle on her?

No, if there was a whistle to blow Camwell and McGrannahan would have already blown their brains out trying to get a sound out of it. At least one of them has already tried, and totally failed.

My problem with Mary McGrannahan is that she's a pathological liar and cyberstalker. Same problem I have with Camwell actually.

It shall be unlawful for any person who is not licensed under this Article to engage in the
practice of counseling, use the title "Licensed Professional Counselor Associate," "Licensed
Professional Counselor," or "Licensed Professional Counselor Supervisor," use the letters
"LPCA," "LPC," or "LPCS," use any facsimile or combination of these words or letters,
abbreviations, or insignia, or indicate or imply orally, in writing, or in any other way that the
person is a licensed professional counselor.

The point being, Sandra Brown is not doing any of these things....and both McGrannahan and Camwell know it. Exactly what part of "Sandra Brown, MA" do you not understand? Please call the NC State Board (as I have) and they will explain it to you.

When Ms Brown was engaged in counseling activities, she was properly licensed and/or supervised to do so...and she's not expected to go back and change what she wrote in a book during those time periods. Her prior claims are grandfathered because they were true at the time they were written. Her current material is routinely reviewed to ensure compliance...but McGrannahan and Camell Ness know this. They're pathological liars who eventually victimize everyone close to them. Andrew "Dino" Ness, Monika Magness, Jilla Rudd, etc. will all learn this, the hard way.

It should be noted that if Ms. Brown did desire to go back into individual counseling again, she could immediately do so under the supervision of any one of the numerous LCSW.s, PhD's etc. working with the Institute.
 
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This has already been explained and that either of them continue to brings it up is either:

1. They clearly can't understand what a degree means since neither of them have them in the mental health field. Or,

2. Pathology--the answer doesn't matter because it's not really a question, it's just pathology being what it is.

I hold a Master Degree in Counseling. Years prior, I started a counseling center and had several employees who were licensed Ph.Ds. I worked under their supervision when I was doing psychotherapy and at that counseling center.

I left the field of psychotherapy and started writing books. Considering I wrote a book for The American Counseling Association would indicate that even a national counseling association did not have an issue that I was not licensed when I wrote the book. Non-licensure does not remove your post graduate training of which I spent decades and thousands of dollars acquiring in the field of personality disorders and pathology. (I don't expect pathologicals to understand this explanation. And that I have taken time to answer these questions will simply be contorted and reframed and placed else where in tyranical rantings, because that's what pathology does.).

I have spent the last 13 years writing books and other products/blogs, appearing on radio/tv, lecturing, and running a women's self help retreat center none of which requires a license or even clinical supervision. Our website and products are regularly monitored by a double Ph.D. who is a professor in counseling ethics and who examines our website to make sure what we offer is not in conflict with any state board. Consequently, we have never been approached by any state boards for not being in compliance.

There are numerous reasons people CHOOSE not to get licensed which include deciding to work in an agency setting/under someone else's license, desire to be an administrator, or writer, case manager, a community educator, or numerous other positions within mental health that might not require a license. For myself, the agency I created years ago grew so fast that I began sharing my therapy duties along with learning non profit administration as I was grappling with running a growing company. I had two small children then and a growing agency and not enough time to go through the licensure process which was not pressing, because I had Ph.D.s under roof that supervised all of us.

The lack of being licensed has never affected what I was able to do, create, or accomplish. When I lecture to mental health professionals, I use myself as an example that not everyone has to go the license-route in order to work in the field or be productive in our careers. I have even spoken to psychology and mental health classes at the university level about the choices involved in deciding to seek, or not seek, licensing. I by no means make apologies for my extraordinary training. I am lucky to have trained and/or been taught by some of the most talented clinicians in the field over my 20+ years which I acknowledge has given me the breadth and depth of my education and knowledge within the field. The pioneering work we have done in this field is attributed to many who have trained me through the decades.

I have been, and remain, proud of the work I have done and what I contribute to survivors.
 
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sandrabrownma said:
2. Pathology--the answer doesn't matter because it's not really a question, it's just pathology being what it is.

That sums it up. Thank you for taking the time and effort to write that post, but your record and your reputation has never been in question on this forum nor on any of our associated sites, just so that's crystal clear. Being a public forum, pathological trolls wander in quite often and they are quarantined and banned as soon as they are recognized, as was the case here.
 
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McGrannahan aka "Mesmerized" wrote:
Isn't your problem with Mary Mcgrannahan is that she found out that Sandra Brown MA had been posing as a psychotherapist for years without having the education or license to do so, and is going to blow the whistle on her?

McGrannahan must have hammered this out five hundred times, with and without threatening to "blow the whistle". What fascinates me is the temporal nature of her confusion. She repeats this accusation as if she has not already "blown the whistle". She repeats the accusation as if her sigmoid colon hasn't long ago prolapsed and dried to the seat of her pants for all the desperate whistle blowing (an example of "stereotyped repetition", in hopes of reproducing interesting consequences [secondary circular reactions, a developmental milestone for infants 4-8 months of age]).

The above is intended for personal entertainment only, and should not be construed as medical advice.

McGrannahan, and even Barbara Camwell Ness, are real persons, and I grant them the minimal respect for whatever shred of latent humanity they retain. If either were on fire, I would spray them with a hose and call 911. My personal experience of them was as fellow "victims" of domestic violence, although they were anything BUT. I am outraged by their deception and exploitation of REAL victims, who they pretended to be.

I first met Barbara Camwell Ness in 2007 in one community, and she was tossed out on her ear within four months. McGrannahan lasted less time than that, even though she returned with different user names as she's done here. Fortunately, the community of domestic violence survivors apply themselves to the hard work of self-examination, and elimination of the vulnerabilities that led us to fall for the abuser/predator in the first place.

The "healing" process is much like any other. Self-inventory, ruthless self-honesty, understanding and abiding by interpersonal boundaries (for the first time, for most of us), and most importantly, taking personal responsibility and ownership of ourselves and our lives. A significant number of us were raised by an abusive parent, or within an "abusive" subculture based upon some religion or ideology, so finding a predator to marry was like Old Home Week.

One important result of the healing process is a keen eye that recognizes predatory types. Considering the money, children, years and other losses inevitable to abusive relationships, it is small consolation to see these predators coming from a mile away. It's worth it, though, considering the unending problem of psychopathy.

Only a complete failure of a psychopath would dare to fool a community of abuse survivors who've done their work. The sad thing is, both Barbara and Mary have taken advantage of many people, and will continue to do so until they are fully exposed. These two are pretty much toast at this point, thank goodness. But there will be more, and some of us, for whatever reason, won't stop watching for them, and calling them out until our fingers and tongues fall off.
 
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I don't think this is hard to understand:

I am trained as a psychotherapist, I was a psychotherapist, I no longer do the duties of a psychotherapist.
It was my attempt at semi-retirement to NOT do psychotherapy. If I wanted to be a psychotherapist tomorrow I would simply have to go work under someone else's license and I could resume psychotherapy.

I can't predict the future but I can say right now, I have no intention to ever resume practicing psychotherapy.

I think people think that any letters after your name mean licensed credentials. I have a Masters of Arts in Counseling which is why I put M.A. after my name.

If I was licensed I would put L.P.C. or L.M.H.C. (which ever license was applicable) after my name. I have never listed anything but M.A. after my name which is simply the type of degree I have.

Making reports to licensing boards is fruitless because licensing boards only have impact on those who have a license--hence, they could revoke your license. I am not even listed with any licensing boards because I am not licensed hence they would look in their database and say 'no, not listed.'

The degree of M.A. or M.S. is often seen for instance, those working in community mental health centers, or Domestic Violence agencies. Lots of them list their credentials after their names but are not licensed because they are working under the license of the agency. You are legally allowed to put the degree credentials after your name. It is not our responsibility as in this case, that others don't understand what that means.

This concludes all I have to explain about the differences in license and licensure. I know that admins here are not questioning that but I want others to understand the differences so the can use professionals understanding the differences in what is allowed and not allowed.
 
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Briseis said:
She repeats the accusation as if her sigmoid colon hasn't long ago prolapsed and dried to the seat of her pants for all the desperate whistle blowing (an example of "stereotyped repetition", in hopes of reproducing interesting consequences [secondary circular reactions, a developmental milestone for infants 4-8 months of age]).

The above is intended for personal entertainment only, and should not be construed as medical advice.

:rotfl: :lol2: :rotfl: :lol2:

OK, this was my first thread of the morning, and I'm laughing so hard I can't chew my bacon.

I did realize something interesting, these pathological people do serve a positive purpose, even though they don't intend to. If not for Camwell (Ness) and McGrannahon, I would probably have never met you...and lady you're what I call a "keeper" :)

By that I mean you're in my contact dB under "Resources" instead of "Victims" Unfortunately, the "Victims" category has about 20x as many entries as the "Resources" category, so I'm immensely grateful every time I meet someone who's gotten past the "victim" stage and has a good grasp on pathological behavior.

I met Laura and everyone else here the same way, researching a perp. It's kinda like the garden, a well fermented layer of horseshyt makes the good stuff grow.
 
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