Exquisite Music from Mali, Senegal and Gambia

SolarSoul said:
Like an American is so far away from being capable of expressing this kind of sensitivity that I do not even need to mention it, he can only smear around his slimy emotionalism. Or an Britt is not even able to form such words with his mouth his lips are too stiff and hard.

I think you're letting your stereotypes run away with you here. Certainly there are general characteristics, but races and nations are comprised of individuals, after all.

SolarSoul said:
I do not see this as a problem of the evil guys in power or psychopaths and other scapegoats. It is the common man who is the problem the "normal" people create and maintain this system, those in power are just in a more prominent position and I dont think that they are really more "evil" than the average man in the street. They are just in a more powerfull position to execute their behaviour. And who puts them in their place?

We live under a pathological system which has been imposed on normal humans, often with horrifying brutality, at other times with an almost unmatched deviousness and psychological cunning. This system is a manifestation of evil.

Have you read Political Ponerology? In this book, Dr Lobaczewski describes with clinical precision how pathological networks come into being as an outgrowth of their participants' deviant psychology. His book is invaluable in helping the reader to understand why our world is in the state it's in today.
 
SolarSoul said:
I do not see this as a problem of the evil guys in power or psychopaths and other scapegoats. It is the common man who is the problem the "normal" people create and maintain this system, those in power are just in a more prominent position and I dont think that they are really more "evil" than the average man in the street. They are just in a more powerfull position to execute their behaviour. And who puts them in their place?

Hi SolarSoul,

I think this is one of the most common misconception that plays right into the hand of the psychopathic elite (and the garden variety ones found anywhere in any place.).
They manage to make us believe that humanity is the problem, for example the blatant lie about human made global warming.
Only by being informed about how psychopathy has infected all positions of power the "normal" people can have a shot at changing things.

You can also read these articles about ponerology for example :

Political Ponerology: A Science of Evil Applied for Political Purposes

Ponerology 101: Rising to the Top

Ponerology 101: The Political Psychopath

Ponerology 101: Lobaczewski and the origins of Political Ponerology
 
Ayub Ogada - Kothbiro

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCGRMcm6RDs

Rokia Traore - Sabali

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92ahok3oy6Q

Geoffrey Oryema - Makambo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWpERZAIy3E
 
OK let me clarify.

The way I spoke about races and nations was an attempt to catch the general NEGATIVE tendencies that exist in different people with a few sentences. Of course I am not saying every individual of a particular nation is so and so. But these tendencies exist. I could also state the POSITIVE characteristics but that was not the intention of my post, as I tried to express something different. Of course I oversimplified the issue but this was in this form impossible to avoid. I tend to judge things close to my heart more vigorously of course because I want them to be the best they can, I think this is natural. I know how Igbo people are and what I expressed was maybe dangerous as for most of you have no experience of Africa and the different people in it. Igbo people are very sophisticated thinkers and it is not by accident that the first black African novelist (Chinaua Achebe) who became world famous with his wonderfull book on Colonialism Things fall apart (the book Nelson Mandela said he read in prison and it made the prisonwalls fall down) as well as one of the most influential modern female writers today (Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie) are Igbos. Just two examples of how people can be very far away from those tendencies I described.
There is a ancient Igbo proverb that goes right into the heart of the Igbo culture which is a very beautifull rich culture indeed. WHENEVER THERE IS ONE THING ANOTHER THING STANDS BESIDE IT. This is such an powerfull sentence with truly astronomical implications and shows a profound understanding on the nature of reality. Totally opposed to the western thought of absolutism that is know threatened by all those new discoveries in modern science.
As for the psychopathic system imposed on "normal humans" is a concept I am very critical about. It is like the question of who was first the hen or the egg. This type of thinking leads to FASCISM it is the same strategy the Nazi propaganda used to manipulate people. It is all the evil Jews and as soon as we get rid of them then our little lives can go on as before. No true change must happen within the people it is always some outside OTHER on which all the fears and weaknesses of the common inert masses are projected. There is a ancient Jewish tradition where I think once a year a goat is brought forward and all the sins of the people are "put into the goat" and then it is sacrificed. That's where the word scapegoat comes from. The christian church has taken this same cowardly idea and used Jesus Christ as their scapegoat. This is a too easy way out. In this case I am a totally pragmatic Igboman (in terms of adaptability, economic cunning and flexibility nothing maches the igboman, maybe a Jew). Life is what you make it if you want to change do something about it, playing the victim does not change anything. I am also a black man who has learned the hard lesson of history. No one will hand you over your freedom and if so it is a false freedom. Freedom is something that has to be fought for with blood and sacrifice. It is the question of is evil something absolute and separate or is evil relative and a part of reality/life/consciousness/god itself. Is evil out there embodies in some people or is it something inherent within the human condition and can only be overcome by an collective effort of the whole human family. In this sense no one is really innocent. As we can see from experience those who scream loudest evil, evil are mostly those who are the most evil themselves. I think as long as this fact is not realized, that evil is something everybody partakes in in some way there can be no way forward. Even the concept of evil in itself is a very modern monotheistic invention, mainly christian in nature. In ancient thought wherever you look in the world some absolute evil force like Satan of the Devil is nonexistent. It makes absolutely no sense.
So what I was doing was just highlighting some of those tendencies which exist in every human being and collective group of humans they just manifest themselves in different ways. And in this sense the whole psychopathic system is an outgrowth of this inherent human evil no one wants to accept as it is always the other who is to blame. If I would go this way I must become a black racist and say white people are the embodiment of evil and all is to blame on them. This is a cowards way. A fascist way. If people keep on behaving like stupid sheep then naturally a Shepherd will manifest to manipulate them, that's how life is.
 
Hi SolarSoul. May I point out that presenting your comments in one long block of text is rather off-putting to the reader. It's considerate of one's audience to divide a post into paragraphs with an extra line space between each. This makes things easier on the eye and easier to read.
 
SolarSoul said:
OK let me clarify.

The way I spoke about races and nations was an attempt to catch the general NEGATIVE tendencies that exist in different people with a few sentences. Of course I am not saying every individual of a particular nation is so and so. But these tendencies exist. I could also state the POSITIVE characteristics but that was not the intention of my post, as I tried to express something different. Of course I oversimplified the issue but this was in this form impossible to avoid. I tend to judge things close to my heart more vigorously of course because I want them to be the best they can, I think this is natural. I know how Igbo people are and what I expressed was maybe dangerous as for most of you have no experience of Africa and the different people in it. Igbo people are very sophisticated thinkers and it is not by accident that the first black African novelist (Chinaua Achebe) who became world famous with his wonderfull book on Colonialism Things fall apart (the book Nelson Mandela said he read in prison and it made the prisonwalls fall down) as well as one of the most influential modern female writers today (Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie) are Igbos. Just two examples of how people can be very far away from those tendencies I described.
There is a ancient Igbo proverb that goes right into the heart of the Igbo culture which is a very beautifull rich culture indeed. WHENEVER THERE IS ONE THING ANOTHER THING STANDS BESIDE IT. This is such an powerfull sentence with truly astronomical implications and shows a profound understanding on the nature of reality. Totally opposed to the western thought of absolutism that is know threatened by all those new discoveries in modern science.

You might be surprised at where members of this forum come from and where they live.

What I would like to know is: did you read the forum guidelines before you clicked the "join" button?

You write in your intro post:

Although I am not the type of person who likes to engage in a forum, in this particular one I find once in a while a topic that really fascinates me and then my fingers are itching.
 
Solarsoul,

Unless you read Political Ponerology by Lobaczewski as well as The Authoritarians by Bob Altemeyer, you are missing a great deal of info in order to grasp the dynamics at play in the world we are living in. There's a reason these books are on the Recommended Book List.

Solarsoul said:
If people keep on behaving like stupid sheep then naturally a Shepherd will manifest to manipulate them, that's how life is.

We agree on this. Where we seem to disagree is who the sheep actually are. That's where Altemeyer's info is invaluable. Without it, it is just too tempting to put everyone in the same bag, because authoritarian followers are numerous indeed.

Solarsoul said:
Of course I oversimplified the issue but this was in this form impossible to avoid. I tend to judge things close to my heart more vigorously of course because I want them to be the best they can, I think this is natural.

What you describe here is that you are in fact making blanket statements and generalizations and that you are identified with these 'things that are close to your heart', which are contrary to what we try to do on this forum. One of the aims of this forum is to know the Truth and for this, one must get rid of their sacred cows, assumptions, identifications and cultural programming.
 
SolarSoul said:
For me the people of Mali, Senegal and Gambia have developed the finest and highly evolved musical artform. Tot only are they for me personally one of the most beautifully looking people but also have one of the most beautifully melodic flowing languages. The combination of elegance, melancholy, surrender,warmth, strength and melodic complexity and precision without the loss of harmony is truly breathtaking.
I have noticed that by LISTENING to a peoples music and language you can perceive the quality of their soul-consiousness (if such an odd term can be allowed), or the way they SUPRESS it.
I am not doing any lobbying here just to be clear, I have no personal ties to these countries at least not in my present incarnation. My physical genetics are half German half igbo/Nigerian and both of these do not have the exquisite sense of beauty and sensitivity. The germans are too stiff, cold and overly rational, while the igbos are too gross, clumsy and materialistic. I do not try to generalize here but I have noticed that nations and peoples, do create a sort of collective carpet of consciousness that has specific qualities to it. The more unaware people are the more passively they partake in this field. For me the whole human consciousness is a very negative state of existence that has except for some rare exceptions a disgusting fragrance to it.

Here some examples of exceptional pieces:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muKYuDVs_kk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB_EEFcM6TE&list=FLwssWy1ONRfGot7kz-kWwYQ&index=33

Hi, SolarSoul! :) I want to thank you for sharing this beautiful and deeply moving music. For me, Sona's songs are the true expression of the shamanic spirit, a living spirit! And it's not a coincidence that she is a Woman! Although there are Man shaman too ( it will become apparent later). Real ones! I also think what you wrote about Sufis and your feelings while listening to a prayer it's very valuable. And I agree with you about powerful healing effects of music. I want to point out to you that the examples of the true music can be found in many different cultures around the world. Just search on our Forum, an you will find it. "What you are listening to" and "Your favorite classical tunes..." are two good places to start.

When I read "My physical genetics are half German half igbo/Nigerian and both of these do not have the exquisite sense of beauty and sensitivity", it looks to me that you're trying to deny your heritage, because there is something important that you still don't see. And this, "The germans are too stiff, cold and overly rational, while the igbos are too gross, clumsy and materialistic" just a confirmation of this fact, I think. ITo explain, I want to share with you my story.

When I came to the US, I was in a deep state of trauma and depression, and in a very bad state of health, basically, on the verge of death. It happened right after I had to urgently fly back home to Kiev because my mother was really sick and dying. What had transpired there made me relive all the painful events of my childhood: my mother's suffering and my grandmother violence. It bought me to a point that a I had to make one of the hardest decisions of my life – to leave my mother and go back to Mexico. She refused to get psychiatric help, although physically she got better. When I came she looked like a skeleton. Literally. At the end of my stay there, I looked a like a skeleton weighting 45 kg or less. Scary, isn't it? Well, it was. That made me realize that if I don't leave now, I will simply die. My body organs were shutting down one by one. After returning to Mexico City, all my memories and feelings began to come out. I was very week, I couldn't process it all. And then, by the very weird "coincidence", I was brought to the US. Like a sack of potatoes. :) My inner voice was telling me that is a bad thing to do, mostly because this 'offer' came through one individual that I felt deeply was a really bad one. I was trying to explain to my ex-husband that it's a really bad decision to move, but he wouldn't listen.

Actually, in Mexico after my return, I got a lot of help and that helped to survive and get better physically. I only realized this much later. One of the students of my ex-husband (he was a teacher in the Escuela Superior de Musica) learned about my situation, he generously offered to drive with me and my ex-husband to a place on the outskirts of Mexico City where a real shaman, the curandero (I think his name is Don Juan) lived and worked. When we came to his place ( I think his name is Don Juan or Don Genaro), he took me in right away despite that many people in much worse condition were waiting for him on the little plaza where his home stood. What struck me at that time that this great man lived in conditions what by Western standards would be considered an absolute poverty. And he didn't mind that at all, he was helping people day and night, helping all who came to him for help. What a beautiful human being he is! So, he took me in, put me on wooden bed, and he began doing something that is hard for me to describe. I was in a kind of a trance state. It seemed to me that he wasn't even touching my body. He told me to move my body to the different positions and helped me when I couldn't do it by myself. I don't know how long his treatment lasted, but when he finished he only said one thing to me: "Woman, what did you do to you yourself!" And told my ex-husband that if I don't get better soon, I need to be put into a hospital, and wrote a note with the name of the medicine I needed in case my situation worsened. I don't remember the name of it, but it was something really simple. Some salt, perhaps.. After this visit, I had a real turn around. I was feeling better physically. And I want to express my deep gratitude to two people who really saved my life. :love: By now, I think they can feel that already :) And that gives much peace.

To continue with the story, I came to the US, being emotionally really troubled, although physically better. And when I saw how many people were living in here, it gave me a real sense of dispair. I saw shiny cars every where. It seemed at that time that people here only preoccupied with buying new cars, big houses, the new clothes that were in fashion, each for each season: taking, taking... And I was truly disgusted with that. I couldn't understand how people can live like that. I simply couldn't see real people and how they lived here, in the US, because of the state was in. Back home, in Kiev, through all difficult times people went through ('perestroika', Chernobyl accident, empty food stores and so on), I was really blessed with a good system of support. We helped each other with everything: standing in long lines in the stores, when something was available), buying not for ourselves, but for others as well and distributing food and other items between ourselves. It was a real circle of support and care. All my life, I have this deep sense of longing for something really true and good. It was fulfilled when I had been living in Kiev. But when I moved, I was cut off of this vital circle of love.

When I found Laura's work and SoTT, I started reading like crazy. And I crazy I was :) I couldn't stop. Some info I got, really helped to make good decisions especially regarding my daughters health: to refuse vaccinations, to start treating her myself, using homeopathy, herbalism, massage, and so on. But my real breakthrough only came when I started posting on SoTT and on the Forum here. It's like a stream of living energy began to work through me. At that time, I had a really good massage (5 sessions) from really gifted massage therapist (Big Thank you to him for all his work). And that initiated the process of Releasing trauma. Since then, I have been reading, thinking, listening to all kinds of good music constantly. Adapting Paleo, and then ketogenic diet, is a tremendous help. Yes, the process has been really painful, really painful. You see, it cannot be any other way. Now, instead of running from pain, holding it in at the same time, as I did before, I embrace it now. It's a real transformation process. And I'm really glad I'm going through all that I went through before.

And Now, I see that it's not people in the US, or elsewhere, it's the 'culture' that was forced upon people. And real people in the US don't live like that. Their lives are full of meaning, love and support for each other. I see it everywhere now. I fills me with so much love and hope everyday that is difficult to express in words. It's where the good music is a really big help. So, I listened to it more and more. You see, people are People. Good people carry their music with them no matter what where they live. They express all the love their feel in their hearts through music and good deeds.

And if you wondering what is all of this has to do with you, I will only say this. I have a feeling that some parts of my story, if you deeply contemplate on it, will help you. And I Hope it helps. And keep listening to good music!

And please think about all the good comments expressed in this thread by the members of our Forum. Happy learning!
 
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