Eyes Wide Shut - Stanley Kubrick

[SonPleistarque]

At the time when i saw it i understood it as a descent into wonderland, when the character looses control over his interior life and gets lost. Maybe the couple could represent the masculine and feminine aspects of the individual during this "fall". Both fall into illusion and loose everything.

Je n'aime pas l'utilisation du terme "illusion", SK propose une mise en
image d'aspects intimes de l'espèce humaine, peut-être spécialement dans
une civilisation occidentale et moderne.
Traiter de l'aspect intérieur dans d'autre civilisation ou à d'autres
époques donnerait sûrement tout autre chose.
Imaginer un film à propos de la vie intérieure d'une femme voilée...

Avec Kubrick, on ne peut ignorer l'usage de la métaphore comme thématique
interne à ses films.
Je préfère parler d'aspect, plutôt qu'illusion.
Kubrick est un impressioniste, c'est un peintre de l'intérieur.

I don't like the use of the term "illusion", SK proposes a
imaging of intimate aspects of the human species, perhaps especially in
modern Western civilization.
Talking about the internal aspect of another culture or other
times would surely something else.
Imagine a movie about the inner life of a veiled woman ...

With Kubrick, one can not ignore the use of metaphor as a intenal theme
on his films.
I prefer to speak in term of "aspect (inner look)", rather than "illusion".
Kubrick is an impressionist, a painter of the interior.


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My native language is french, and I don't write fluently in English...
Whenever I am not sure of my version, I provide the text in French

 

[SonPleistarque]

Hello, SonPleistarque

I've noticed that you've not yet introduced yourself in the
Newbies section. No personal information is necessary, just how you found the forum and what related material you might have read. Look forward to hearing from you soon over there, feel free to look around and see how others have done it. :)

I have made an introduce in french section, because is my native language.
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18095.msg167330#msg167330

I prepare a more long, very soon, in newbies section.
I lack time.

 

[hnd]

It may be good to note that `Eyes Wide Shut`was based on a novella by Dr. Arthur Schnitzler,an Australian author who gave up medicine to write. Here is some information about him which can shed light on his motivation of writing this story.

In addition to his plays and fiction, Schnitzler meticulously kept a diary from the age of 17 until two days before his death, of a brain hemorrhage in Vienna. The manuscript, which runs to almost 8,000 pages, is most notable for Schnitzler's casual descriptions of sexual conquests — he was often in relationships with several women at once, and for a period of some years he kept a record of every orgasm.

His works were often controversial, both for their frank description of sexuality (Sigmund Freud, in a letter to Schnitzler, confessed "I have gained the impression that you have learned through intuition — though actually as a result of sensitive introspection — everything that I have had to unearth by laborious work on other persons")...

I tend to think that Kubrick,being a perfectionist, basically depicted the imperfect nature of the human race and examined the dark side of men in his films. A comment from him:

Man isn't a noble savage, he's an ignoble savage. He is irrational, brutal, weak, silly, unable to be objective about anything where his own interests are involved—that about sums it up. I'm interested in the brutal and violent nature of man because it's a true picture of him. And any attempt to create social institutions on a false view of the nature of man is probably doomed to failure.

So, both Freud and Kubrick seems to prefer emphazing this darker side and examining it. Schnitzler, on the other hand, seems to be experimenting with the dark.

Carl Jung's attitude to the same problems is very different in its essence since he stated that men is by nature religious. His being esoterically more developed makes the difference IMO and he examined this aspect of the nature of men objectively.

Jung's primary disagreement with Freud stemmed from their differing concepts of the unconscious. Jung saw Freud's theory of the unconscious as incomplete and unnecessarily negative. According to Jung (though not according to Freud), Freud conceived the unconscious solely as a repository of repressed emotions and desires. Jung agreed with Freud's model of the unconscious, what Jung called the "personal unconscious," but he also proposed the existence of a second, far deeper form of the unconscious underlying the personal one. This was the collective unconscious, where the archetypes themselves resided, represented in mythology by a lake or other body of water, and in some cases a jug or other container.

(Source for the quotes: Wikipedia)

So, I like the movies by Stanley Kubrick and the way he explores the human psyche, but after all there is more to explore.

 

[Beau]

I read one film analysis about EWS that I thought was pretty interesting - http://www.collativelearning.com/EYES%20WIDE%20SHUT%20analysis.html

 

[hnd]

For anyone interested,there is a very well-written article,called `The Dream Master` on Arthur Schnitzler's life and work. It is interesting but the end is really sad.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/09/09/020909crat_atlarge

 

[SonPleistarque]

Hello, SonPleistarque

I've noticed that you've not yet introduced yourself in the
Newbies section. No personal information is necessary, just how you found the forum and what related material you might have read. Look forward to hearing from you soon over there, feel free to look around and see how others have done it. :)

Introduce already :
http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=18224.0

 

[gdpetti]

_http://yournewswire.com/nicole-kidman-kubrick-pedophiles/

Nicole Kidman: ‘Stanley Kubrick Said Pedophiles Run The World’

June 24, 2017 Baxter Dmitry


Stanley Kubrick claimed that “the world is run by pedophiles”, according to Nicole Kidman, who says the reclusive director taught her “how the world works and who is really in control behind the scenes” while filming Eyes Wide Shut.

“Stanley told me the world is run by pedophiles,” Nicole Kidman said while promoting HBO’s Big Little Lies, in Los Angeles. “He studied secret societies his whole life, he was fascinated by them, and he said the elite, the top secret societies, they are full of men with a certain predilection. They are tied together, sort of bonded, by pedophilia.

“They all know each other’s dark secrets. There is no way out for any of them. It’s a lifetime bond. Even if one of them wanted to go straight, repent, so to speak, he can’t. His peers will bring him down. They are in it until death, driving the world to ruin. That’s kind of how Stanley explained it but it was all very complex. I’m probably not doing it justice.”

The 1999 film, starring Kidman and her then husband Tom Cruise, was Stanley Kubrick’s last outing as director before his death the same year. Many people believe Kubrick gave away too many secrets in the film about secret societies and the global elite, and it may have cost him his life.

Asked if Kubrick’s knowledge of secret societies and their darkest secrets had anything to do with his death, Kidman raised an eyebrow and said “That’s not a question I can answer here.”

“Though maybe I could. None of you in the media would be allowed to print it, would you? The men who own your companies wouldn’t allow it to get out,” Kidman said.

A brave speaker of truth, Nicole Kidman had contracts cancelled by two Hollywood studios earlier this year after she dared go against the current Hollywood agenda by saying “we need to support whoever is the president”.

By daring to speak about the possible reasons for Stanley Kubrick’s death she is now running the risk of further attacks.

While she was not willing to comment on the cause of Kubrick’s death, Kidman was willing to say that the reclusive director was not expecting death to come so soon.

“Stanley’s next film was going to be about psychopathic pedophiles. He said he was going deeper down the rabbit hole.”

“He always had four of five projects ready to go. He was a meticulous researcher. He believed the most powerful films always have a hard grounding in truth.”

Kubrick was a lifelong student of power structures, with many of his films exhibiting a closely-observed genius for exposing the corruption, depravity and madness of elite institutions.

Whether it was the military industrial complex (Dr Strangelove, Full Metal Jacket), ultraviolence (A Clockwork Orange), psychological horror (The Shining) or psychopathic pedophila (Lolita, and his unnamed, unfinished project), Stanley Kubrick took on the issues that matter.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Nicole Kidman: ‘Stanley Kubrick Said Pedophiles Run The World’

I'm gonna call fake news on this one. No other source is reporting those alleged statements.

 

[Beau]

_http://yournewswire.com/nicole-kidman-kubrick-pedophiles/

That website is not a reliable source of news.

 

[Voyageur]

Nicole Kidman: ‘Stanley Kubrick Said Pedophiles Run The World’

I'm gonna call fake news on this one. No other source is reporting those alleged statements.

Yeah, had quick look and could not find collaboration - although an old article from Vanity Fair (2002) talked about the film in a few paragraphs that was sort of interesting - I guess this was also when the two married so her words were in that form as the articles title denotes:

Nicole’s New Light
Nicole Kidman talks to Ingrid Sischy about her marriage to Tom Cruise.

_http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2002/12/kidman-200212

by Ingrid Sischy

December 1, 2002 12:46 pm

{skipped most of the article for the part on the film Eyes Wide Shut}

And then came an opportunity that seemed heaven-sent: the late Stanley Kubrick’s decision to cast Kidman and Cruise in his take on sexual obsession and jealousy, Eyes Wide Shut. The couple had a chance not only to work with one of the movies’ true greats on a film that promised to be electrifying, but also to work together. And so, in late 1996, they picked up their household, moved to London, and dedicated themselves to implementing Kubrick’s vision. It was not just a nine-to-five collaboration. Kidman and Cruise’s bond with Kubrick proved to be such that their lives became intertwined with his, and the film somehow bled into their relationship.

The two actors, especially Nicole, are known for living and breathing their parts when working; this time their roles were a bored husband and wife who get caught in a web of sexual pretending that then turns dangerously real and winds up threatening their marriage. Sounds like a recipe for an emotional Molotov cocktail that would test many a couple’s relationship. On top of that, the shoot, originally scheduled for 4 months, kept getting extended, and in the end Tom and Nicole would park themselves in London for 18 months. As Kidman remembers it, “Tom had such a very strong connection with Stanley, and so did I. That resonated through our lives and marriage—it had such a profound effect.” Even when the actors and their director weren’t actually shooting, they’d spend hours together every day. Nicole says, “Stanley saw Tom and I in the most extreme situations because of the way in which he works. He breaks you down. He challenged all of my concrete, solid bases that I’d set around myself, and basically disturbed them, and made me far more introspective.” Nicole does not get literal about how this experience shook things up, but she couldn’t be more clear that it did; the couple was also deeply affected by Kubrick’s sudden death during postproduction. But she has an artist’s acceptance of the entire experience as ultimately valuable, no matter how painful.

When we were talking I was honest with her about my reactions to the movie, which finally came out in the summer of 1999. I told her that, despite the film’s visual punch, the pre-release fuss and hype seemed way overblown considering the final product, which to my mind is not the revolutionary work that was promised but rather a bourgeois attempt at titillation, an effort at illuminating truths about sexuality and relationships which have been treated with much more insight by other writers and directors. Nicole responded in a way that is characteristic of her. She was not defensive, but heard me with real interest and openness. She then stood by both her director and her leading man: “I still think Tom was mesmerizing in it, but that’s partly because I know what he went through. To me, the themes are so important and so complex—and who knows what Stanley would have done [with it] if he had had more time, if he’d lived.”

Funny how the articles pen used the words "illuminating truths".

 

[loreta]

I just saw the movie yesterday, for the first time. I love Kubrick movies but this one took me many years to see it because of Nicole, I don't like her as an actress. So for me this movie was very boring. Too mild even if some subjects are told, like pedophilia, murder, infidelity, sex imagination, Illuminati, etc. Maybe I have to see the movie again, surely, to see the profundity of the message of Kubrick. Oh, yes, one thing I love in the movie: the masks. And the beauty of some scenes, the music... But apart this ... nope.

 

[SummerLite]

Glad to get the clarification that this is likely fake news. I thought it was real yesterday when reading for the first time and was amazed Kidman would have the courage to say such things. With the criticism she received for saying "the president needs to be respected" something like the revealing info here would likely end her career for good. Somewhere,(Pizzagate thread?) I read Nicole's father was a higher up in the system and himself a pedophile and so she was implicated as being a victim herself.

This movie was a tad on the slow side as I recall when watching years ago as Loreta has mentioned. With further information about it coming out after Kubricks death, I suspected parts where deleted and so the story is incomplete but this may be incorrect. Kubrick was a very interesting person to be sure.

Isn't it funny how we all can see things so differently. Nicole Kidman is one of my favorite actresses. I think she's highly talented and a person of integrity. I've always enjoyed whatever she's in.

 

[gdpetti]

Yeah, I didn't care for the "none of you in the media would be allowed to print it"... rather the usual Alex Jones 'reporting' on this site, but she's essentially said much the same on other subjects as well, many have, but usually after 'leaving Hollywood' and not expecting to work in that town anymore. Usually the headline gets the attraction and there's little to nothing in any article to back it up, same with this article, but it's very rare to get anyone on camera or print using their real name... fear of death etc is usually too strong... that Dutch ex banker guy being one of the latest exceptions.

Another example is 9-11..... we've heard of that Fox show that was aired or cancelled on 'd-day'.. 9-11, I forget, because it wasn't the only one... which makes you think that, like all these pedophiles, the whole attack or 'New Pearl Harbor' event was discussed for so long, that many shows used the same idea, to attack whatever symbol is popular or representative of the country.... the Towers, Pentagon, WHite House... here's an older example: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=153971

And yes, most of these people going after 9-11 topics can fit into the 'useful idiots' section like Alex Jones, but they can also be a good place to find stuff like this, a comic series... that seems like another 9-11 preview.

Israeli Producers with Prior Knowledge of 9/11

By Christopher Bollyn on June 30, 2017

Of the media products that suggest prior knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, the Iron Man cartoon that aired on October 22, 1994, must be at the top of the list because the 17-minute television cartoon depicts a plane and missiles hitting the Twin Towers and a plane smashing into the Pentagon in the first minute. The 52-second video clip (above) from the episode entitled “The Grim Reaper Wears a Teflon Coat” shows these depictions.
Because this program clearly suggests prior knowledge of the 9/11 plot to attack the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the first question to be asked is, who produced this program.

The producers of “The Grim Reaper Wears a Teflon Coat” episode in which the Twin Towers and Pentagon are attacked are the Israeli Avi Arad and Stan Lee, born Stanley Martin Lieber in New York City.

Avi Arad is an Israeli producer who has worked closely with Arnon Milchan, the senior Israeli agent in Hollywood who smuggled nuclear triggers for Israel’s nuclear arsenal in the 1980s. Here Arad and Milchan are seen at the premiere of their film Daredevil in February 2003. Milchan also made a film depicting an airplane attack on a high-rise tower in New York. [The Medusa Touch 1978]

Some of these producers have been 'members of the club' for a long time... helping out here and there, directly and/or indirectly involved, for patriotic, racial or other reasons that entertain them at the time.
As i've said before, I remember hearing about what became known as the Patriot Act years before from some offshore financial guy... I never paid it any attention, but I didn't know he was an ex member of Congress then... same with so many of these producers in Hollywood... and Mel G was right about most of what he said... they control the town, the industry, same in banking and media... which is why he got so what heat saying it, even when drunk.... it's all like some huge farce.

As for Nicole's words on this subject, it's hard to tell as she is usually rather guarded in her conversations... which has always shown up in her acting as well.... it's in her personality, and she rarely gets parts that doesn't allow that to leak out... only comic roles do that... .like her role in Bewitched.... but when she made this Eyes Wide Shut film, she was still young and like most of us, probably didn't know what she was getting involved in, and perhaps the same can be said in part about its director? Shouldn't he have known to frame this subject matter in a different light? Or perhaps it wouldn't have mattered? The W brothers, or sisters now, right? did this and continue to do so in their projects... Matrix being the best.

 

[Ricardo]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1956019859571269832

 

[Bastian]

For those among you interested in the movie EWS, I would recommend reading the series of 3 articles written by "The Vigilant Citizen" about its symbolism :

The Hidden Messages in “Eyes Wide Shut”

“Eyes Wide Shut” was promoted as a steamy, suspenseful movie starring the “It” couple of the day: Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman. While the actors were prominently featured in the movie, it is everything around them that told the true story of “Eyes Wide Shut”. Stanley Kubrick’s attention to...

vigilantcitizen.com

The Hidden Messages in “Eyes Wide Shut” (pt. II)

The second part of this series of articles on Eyes Wide Shut takes a closer look at the elite secret society discovered by the film’s main character, Bill Harford, and how it resembles real life organizations. Was Stanley Kubrick trying to warn the world about the occult elite and its depraved...

vigilantcitizen.com

The Hidden Messages in “Eyes Wide Shut” (pt. III)

In the third and final part of this series on Eyes Wide Shut, we’ll look at Bill’s journey as a whole and at its underlying esoteric meaning. We’ll see how symbolism placed by Kubrick connects all of the women in the movie, making Bill’s encounters a multi-faceted exploration of the feminine...

vigilantcitizen.com

With this symbolic context in mind, that (ritual) pedocriminal abuses where displayed or suggested in it doesn't look far-fetched.