Facebook is going to far...

Kaigen

Kaigen

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So to say I can't log in any more. After I posted yesterday, a blog site in Japanese, about "occupy Tokyo". They are going to start protest calling "occupy Tokyo" on October 15th. I tough I share it with others.
Today morning after login, another site came in Japanese (I use Facebook in German) to verify my real name.
I changed it few months ago to Kai Gen. So I tipped Kai Gen and they said this is not my real name! So I guess they already have my real name. So to speak, if I don't my account will be deleted. That's probably the point where I say, that's enough to spying on me. There is google+ and Diaspora. Diaspora is open source, very similar to google+. on Diaspora I'm miyamoto musashi.
Any comments are welcome.
 
Kaigen said:
So to say I can't log in any more. After I posted yesterday, a blog site in Japanese, about "occupy Tokyo". They are going to start protest calling "occupy Tokyo" on October 15th. I tough I share it with others.
Today morning after login, another site came in Japanese (I use Facebook in German) to verify my real name.
I changed it few months ago to Kai Gen. So I tipped Kai Gen and they said this is not my real name! So I guess they already have my real name. So to speak, if I don't my account will be deleted. That's probably the point where I say, that's enough to spying on me. There is google+ and Diaspora. Diaspora is open source, very similar to google+. on Diaspora I'm miyamoto musashi.
Any comments are welcome.
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Yes, I think that would be about it for me as well. I've noticed in my 'do you know this person?' feed, fb has just recently added members of my family, so, obviously, the software has scanned my computer or email accounts or something to get that information since my fb account is sott-focused only, uses a pseudonym and has no family contacts. No way for them to know that without scanning my information since the email address I use for fb has never sent an email to any of the people that are now on my 'list'. I would imagine that even diaspora will do the same at some point and google+. The problem I see is that neither program has the popularity of fb and neither seems to be 'taking off' and since the point is to spread information, which way to go?
 
:scared: Those intrusions a really creepy! I'm glad I've never been on FB. I wonder if they have the users' passwords to bank accounts, credit cards, email accounts, etc. on file in their systems? Pretty likely, it seems.
 
FB proposed to me some people I removed a long time ago from my messenger account (the one I use for FB).
If FB has access to this kind of information, you can bet other that some sites/organizations have it too.
 
Re: Facebook is going too far...

Ever since I've find out about Facebook being able to track your actions online, I avoid using Facebook via my usual browser - just a different browser with a security thingy cranked up and delete the cookies upon closing, so I only check the Facebook once in a while. Cookies are basically stored data that holds your information - whatever information you input online, doesn't matter which website (including online bank accounts) - and Facebook apparently reads these cookies for their own purposes. Even though they "say" that they use the cookies for advertisement-blah blah-purposes, it's their actions that tells something else.

One of my classes that I'm taking this semester is Internet Fundamental, which includes a discussion of cookies and spywares, and Facebook is the new example of a type of "spyware" that doesn't mess with your computer (e.g., computer being "sluggish," settings changed, etc.), but only to obtain information while you're surfing the Net. Facebook pretty much acts as a "spyware" since they are using cookies to track user's browsing activities and obtain any information that you inputted. For example, when you are having e-mail correspondences with someone, Facebook "knows" who you are talking to and so on.

anart said:
No way for them to know that without scanning my information since the email address I use for fb has never sent an email to any of the people that are now on my 'list'.
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It's likely that they "record" your other e-mail accounts that you are using. Ever since you opened your account with Facebook (if you haven't delete your cookies since then), it is likely that whatever information you use online, e-mailing other people, etc., they are being "recorded" via cookies and these cookies are "read" by Facebook.

It makes me wonder about the "deactivation" where you only allow to "deactivate" your account and you can't delete it - you can "always" come back and "activate" it (and your information is still there). This makes me wonder even if you "deactivate" your account, do they still "track" you? It may be very likely (considering that they still have your IP address).

Facebook is indeed a "Spying Machine." It's everywhere now. And, it's not the only one.
 
I am in the process of a risk evaluation for the use of per-session and persistent cookies for our government web site, so we can uncover problem areas on our site and customize our content and services to user needs.

While researching, I came across two forms of cookies that concerned me: Supercookies. They are difficult to remove, as they don't use the traditional browser cookie practices, including storage location, and have the potential to access and store more information than typical cookies.

Supercookies seem to make use of a browser's plug-ins and stores itself within files reserved for plug-ins instead of the usual temp folder/directory.

Facebook was recently accused of using supercookies, although they denied they were being used to track users beyond FB's web site.

However, it may possible that websites could join together to access the same cookie, allowing both source and participant sites to track behaviour.

For example, websites with direct connections to FB might be able to feed information to FB, even when the user is logged out of FB.

I've only skimmed the surface of these nasty digital carbohydrates, but they appear to be enough of a privacy concern that experts are starting to raise the alarm.

A couple articles of interest:
- The Atlantic - The Next Online Privacy Battle: Powerful Supercookies (_http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2011/08/the-next-online-privacy-battle-powerful-supercookies/243800/)

- Mashable - Supercookies: What You Need to Know About the Web’s Latest Tracking Device (_http://mashable.com/2011/09/02/supercookies-internet-privacy/)

I've been thinking of setting my system up for multiple users and creating one user strictly for accessing FB and nothing else. Not sure if the effort would be worth the perceived benefits though.

Gonzo
 
That is really disturbing and creepy news Kaigen, thanks for letting us know.

anart said:
No way for them to know that without scanning my information since the email address I use for fb has never sent an email to any of the people that are now on my 'list'.
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mkrnhr said:
FB proposed to me some people I removed a long time ago from my messenger account (the one I use for FB).
If FB has access to this kind of information, you can bet other that some sites/organizations have it too.
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Yes, I can confirm this as well. About 6 months ago, after one of the big 'upgrades', I went through my profile with a fine toothed comb. You can imagine my utter shock when I found a private WLM IM address of mine listed on public display for everyone to see. This address was only ever used for my online workplace, never for e-mail, and certainly never entered anywhere on FB. Ever since then, I've kept a much closer eye on my information there, especially after each so-called upgrade.

As a reminder, if you choose to disable all platform apps on your account settings, I think this may help with the supercookie problem. Ever since I have made that change, anytime I'm on some other site that tries to integrate with Facebook, instead of giving me options it says "You must first enable platform apps."
 
It is a spying platform and I believe it will have to be abandoned sooner or later. It is data mining and behaviour predictions all wrapped up in one. I will stop using it, probably soon.
 
I wonder if Facebook and/or Google+ are a part of this system / "Book of Life"... :shock: :(

@http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/666.htm said:
94-10-16 Session:
Q: (L) "And all the inhabitants of the earth will fall down in admiration... everyone whose name has not been recorded from the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb that was slain in sacrifice from the foundation of the world..." What are "those whose names are recorded in the Book of Life... what is the Book of Life?
A: Supercomputer.
Q: (L) The Book of Life of the Lamb... everyone whose name has not been recorded... it is saying that the people who are going to worship the Beast are names that have not been recorded... does that mean that there is a supercomputer recording the names of those who do not worship the beast?
A: Yes.
Q: (L) And who has this supercomputer?
A: Beast. All names will be recorded as being either obedient or disobedient.
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Actually I've been thinking about this very thing. Facebook just did the same thing to me, said that "Red Gryphon" was not my real name and demanded that I give them my real name to access my account...so I gave them "Betsy Griffin"

I've been thinking of starting a "Forget Facebook" campaign...ok, well "Forget" wasn't my first choice, but I think it'll be more acceptable than my original idea.

Forget Facebook
11-5-12 (or maybe 11-5-12?)

Pick a significant date where everyone who's sick of Facebook deactivates their account and moves over to Disporia...then push the heck out of it? Think it would work?
 
Facebook just emailed me at my work email address today for the first time. And I am 1000% sure I never gave them my work email address. Supposedly someone I don't know wanted to be my friend but when I checked my friends request I did not find a request for this person. I don't give my work email address to anyone as I work for a big corporation where everything is monitored. Creepy indeed. I vote for disobedience to the beasts.
 
I never liked that FalseBook anyway.... jet I was there for a while only for - fun :huh: ... After some time I deactivated my account cause I get bored .... Although it seems to me a mission impossible after gathering such an huge amount of data with that kind of software to control it and recognize something really useful... it is some kind of obsession for dedicated psychopaths and so they can present it like some serious project to paranoid people in the governments so they would pay for it.... after all it is all about money isn´t it?
 
In the 90's we used to say that every individual has a guardian angel and a guardian devil that is someone in the political police :)
If they don't have FB they would use other means. They have nothing else to do than monitoring people. Monitoring phone calls and mails has been introduced in Europe by the Nazi regime and what we see today is just a continuation of it. One possible reason for the leaks about FB is that it serves as a distraction from other means of monitoring. People imagine that if they get rid of facebook they will be safe. However, at least in FB one puts what he/she wants to share with the computer boys in the intelligence agencies (vacation pictures or what they already know anyway). It is not the case with emails and surfing history. OSIT
 
mkrnhr said:
In the 90's we used to say that every individual has a guardian angel and a guardian devil that is someone in the political police :)
If they don't have FB they would use other means. They have nothing else to do than monitoring people. Monitoring phone calls and mails has been introduced in Europe by the Nazi regime and what we see today is just a continuation of it. One possible reason for the leaks about FB is that it serves as a distraction from other means of monitoring. People imagine that if they get rid of facebook they will be safe. However, at least in FB one puts what he/she wants to share with the computer boys in the intelligence agencies (vacation pictures or what they already know anyway). It is not the case with emails and surfing history. OSIT
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Thank you all for your comments, seams to me that only one thing can be done is to Create a software like Facebook, google+, diaspora for our own purpose Like our forum to inform people. Just use their own idea but without the big background (spying, hiding, cookies, supercookies, where is your dog when you are in holidays, ect.) That's probably to big right now, but worth to think about.
 
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