Finding Faith?

[Bar Kochba]

I have never had a "supernatural" experience that couldn't be explained by rational means. Nor have I ever seen a ufo. Yet I read the material on this site and it all makes sense. It agrees with my line of thought. Is this what is known as faith? Or common sense? This forum has changed my life and I am thankful for it. I feel equipped to deal with whatever may come, thanks to the Cass crew. Muchas gracias.

 

[Laura]

Just a couple excerpts from the Cs about Faith:

Cs: when one performs an act which
they proclaim to be having a desired result, and they do
not have faith in their own actions as, in fact, producing
the desired result, then the effort will collapse because
of their lack of faith. Whereas when one has complete
faith and multidensity understanding, their activities are
indeed truth and useful as prescribed and this is the
correct way to pursue them.
Q: (L) Isn't faith a difficult commodity to acquire?
A: Not at all. When you have found something of truth you
will receive demonstrations which locks in your faith.


Q: (L) We would like to know a bit more on the subject of
rituals, which you have warned us are restricting on many
levels. Why is this?
A: If one believes in one's activities sincerely, to the
greatest extent, they certainly will produce SOME benefit,
at SOME level. But, merely following patterns for the
sake of following patterns, does not produce sincerity and
faith necessary for ultimate benefits to result. So,
therefore, as always, one must search from within, rather
than from without, to answer that question. Do you
understand? To give you an example, to be certain, you
meet this all the time. If you read material in the pages
of a book that advises one form of ritual or another, and
you follow that form of ritual because you have read words
printed on the pages, does that really give you the true
sense of satisfaction and accomplishment within yourself
to the greatest extent possible? Whereas, if you,
yourself, were to develop an activity which one or another
could interpret or define as a ritual, but it comes from
within you, it feels RIGHT to you, and you have a sincere
and complete faith in it, whatever it may be, does that
feel right to you?


Faith comes also from knowledge, and as we have stated
before... False knowledge is worse than no knowledge at
all!!!!!


We wish to reiterate something further on this subject
Arkadiusz, and for anyone else in need of the following
message: we are not communicating with you in order to
"prove" our existence. If one has faith and is willing to
learn, to explore new realms and to discover what will one
"day" be commonplace awareness profile, then no "proof" is
necessary. If, on the other hand, one is of the opposite
psychic orientation, then no amount of proof is adequate.

Q: (A) Yes, I think it is like the story of the crocodile
skin where you can make wishes, and with every wish it
becomes smaller. And, you are told that when it becomes
too small, then you die. And, of course, you try, and say
'let me do one more wish...' and that is it. Once you
make the choice to ask and not do the work, then it
becomes easier and easier and you want more and more...
and your own will and force becomes smaller and smaller...


Life is religion. Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."

 

[Bar Kochba]

Thank you for that, Mrs Laura.

 

[truth seeker]

In light of the many difficulties people have been experiencing, I just wanted to bump this topic up for possible further discussion. What inspires you to have faith in yourself and by extension others?

I'm personally not sure how to distinguish my own faith that everything will turn out okay from my own optimism (wishful thinking?). Even in these dark days, I know I feel afraid at times especially if I allow my own thoughts of the worst possible scenario to run wild. Somehow, I just "feel" that no matter what happens, as long as there are others alongside me that are also fighting some good will come from it.

So maybe what inspires me is not just seeing others around me (who are aware of the battle we have before us) who refuse to give in, but also that small voice inside me that tells me to "have faith". These two things together give me the nourishment and strength to keep going.

 

[Buddy]

The more I learn about the Work and about myself and learn to see the manifestations of narcissistic traits and psychopathology, the more that the knowledge of it all becomes real for me. With the understandings already gained, and with the understanding that all this is for real, I can see others slowly becoming aware of what's really going on in the world and starting to confront the evil head on in many different ways as well as separating from it. I feel like somewhere inside is a rock-hard faith that no matter what specifics happen, Truth is surfacing in the consensual reality and all this effort is worth keeping the Work going.

That's faith from my point of view. What inspires me to have faith in others is the fact that so many have even more knowledge and experience in this battle than I do and have achieved successes that are being shared with others and successfully helping them and I feel like that will continue.

I know that we are all in the same boat and that we are working for our own and humanity's awakening and future...I can see it. Sometimes I'm extremely saddened; sometimes my heart sings, but my faith is unshakable because I am seeing the results in my life and in the lives of others. I also feel appreciation for everyone and everything they do.

 

[black_ronin]

I have never had a "supernatural" experience that couldn't be explained by rational means. Nor have I ever seen a ufo. Yet I read the material on this site and it all makes sense. It agrees with my line of thought. Is this what is known as faith? Or common sense? This forum has changed my life and I am thankful for it. I feel equipped to deal with whatever may come, thanks to the Cass crew. Muchas gracias.

I believe that every we all have a vast amount of knowledge inside of us which we are not consciously aware of. So when we hear certain truths this knowledge gets triggered, something in our heart or subconsciousness or whatever words you want to call it knows a lot of things. It can detect Truth. So it is just a question of how far has your conscious mind been drifting away from that center threw social conditioning and false education. There are certain times in your life when your heart tells you something your mind cannot accept because it simply seems absolutely impossible to your reason. Challenged by this decision you can put faith in your heart or in your social conditioning. Now if you follow this other silent knowing side of yourselves despite what other people say and despite how crazy it may sound to your reason, ready to die for it, such an act can unlock forces within you, you never thought existed. That's faith for me. Sound maybe a little cliché, but it works
Like the cassiopean guys said at one point, that a human being could create a whole universe if he has the knowledge to do so :O

 

[black_ronin]

hhhmmm..... or maybe I am just a narcistic psychopath

 

[andi]

[...] I feel equipped to deal with whatever may come, thanks to the Cass crew. Muchas gracias.

Hi black_ronin, whenever I hear people saying this, it always makes me smile. I felt like that a while back and in some instances, still do, but I am always reminded of what Laura used to say:(this is my simplified version) - you think you got it, you lunch! :D

You may also want to consider that many people that are tired of what other people do and did for a long time, and that it no longer satisfies their hungers, they turn towards something ''exotic'' and are ready to accept just about anything paranormal.

This thought that you are describing now, made me feel special back then when I had just discovered this place; well I don't feel so special anymore - because after trying to do real work on the self, things just change.

Best of lucks ;)

 

[black_ronin]

Yeah you are absolutely right. Like knowledge tourists. "ohh that's nice how exiting, look at that!" These people should realize with what they are actually playing around with, and that there are things out there who could at any moment just step on you like we step on a ant or a mosquito. The universe doesn't really care about separate consciousness units, life goes on. What I wanted to say is that one has to develop a sort of instinct to separate the Truth from the bullsh.. a feeling that makes you absolutely sure that what you are doing is the right path and you are ready to put your whole life into it, otherwise you will approach it in that "tourist mentality", which is maybe worst than just staying peacefully asleep.


But you might consider that without this encouraging thoughts, non of us would have even started to approach the real work, maybe seeing all the difficulties and challenges we would have to face, we would have backed out from the beginning. :/

 

[anart]

a feeling that makes you absolutely sure that what you are doing is the right path and you are ready to put your whole life into it,

Be very wary of any 'absolutely sure' feelings, because they tend to lead one astray.

But you might consider that without this encouraging thoughts, non of us would have even started to approach the real work, maybe seeing all the difficulties and challenges we would have to face, we would have backed out from the beginning. :/

It's often the opposite of 'encouraging thoughts' that spurs a person to find the truth. It is often profound suffering that motivates a person to finally shed the parts of themselves holding them back, the lies, the illusions, the wishful thinking.

As Laura's signature reads:

"He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus"

 

[ana]

Thanks for bumping this topic truthseeker :),

i experience faith as a state of emptiness in wich truth can come in, something i try as much as i am able. It may seem contradictory but i found that in order to know one must become passive and void, then you receive and comes the active phase or giving.

 

[Mixtli]

Faith has been always something i have striven for during a large part of my life. In a way i think it is the reason I ended here in the forum and reading book after book. I felt I could not experience faith so instead I tried to rationalize through knowledge. My wife is so good at having faith. She just goes and keeps working long hours or doing a lot of things in a single day. I am now in a somewhat unstable position referring to work conditions. I have been trying for a couple of weeks to find another job or projects. And faith has been something i have been questioning a lot. What should I do? knock door after door until I find something that really suits me? Or just accept the first job I am offered although it could be pretty unsatisfying due to the conditions of my hometown? Or shall i wait? I also tend to be somewhat lazy in occasions. I am not bad at what I do and I have a couple of clients that know this but sometimes the projects just don't come and I kind of get a little anxious about it. And that is my question. Could one potentially stand still trusting in his destiny for days or weeks? or should he just go out and knock doors? Sorry for the long post. :)

 

[andi]

[quote author=Mixtli]
What should I do? knock door after door until I find something that really suits me? Or just accept the first job I am offered although it could be pretty unsatisfying due to the conditions of my hometown? Or shall i wait? I also tend to be somewhat lazy in occasions. I am not bad at what I do and I have a couple of clients that know this but sometimes the projects just don't come and I kind of get a little anxious about it. And that is my question. Could one potentially stand still trusting in his destiny for days or weeks? or should
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This is a feeling that comes to me whenever I try to steer things into a desired direction. I am expecting the outcome to be good and favorable so that I will be happy, thus I get hesitant to what to choose. I am anticipating reword, so I want to make the best choice to maximize my profit.

http://glossary.cassiopaea.com/glossary.php?id=110

Anticipation and non-Anticipation


The Cassiopaea material discusses anticipation in relation to following one's path or interacting with reality at large. There two sides to the discussion; the first being that one should always anticipate attack in order to avoid problems by preparation; the second is that one should not be fixated on any particular imagined outcome of one's creative efforts because such fixation or anticipation restricts the 'creative flow.'

This is the closest the Cassiopaeans come to discussing 'you create your own reality' or 'YCYOR.'

Intent can invite realization but anticipation of any particular realization metaphysically nullifies the intent. Anticipation is expecting the self to be confirmed, expecting to bend the universe to one's will and thus falls on the side of the service to self principle. Intent is non-personal and can be generally creative in the service to others sense. Anticipation does however have its uses in a world of service to self but this use is for the service to others candidate principally in predicting and blocking possible foreseeable difficulties. This takes the form of simple physical or mental preparedness.

An alternative formulation of the idea could be that if one thinks one must have more money, the idea of having more money is projected into the future and the idea of not having enough money is asserted for the present. In the reverse, if one thinks one could get mugged and therefore avoids the side alley after dark, one asserts that one could be mugged in the future and is safe in the present and to give this idea physical expression even avoids places where muggings are the most common. If any part of mind really influences reality by metaphysically attracting events, it is not the conscious wishing part. If this part has effect on reality, the effect is rather in selecting what is an appropriate perception, hence blocking much information that would otherwise be available. This too has a survival oriented role but it is overexpressed in people who will only accept that which conforms to their assumptions or anticipations.

Another way of thinking about this would be the idea that ignoring something is an invitation for experientially learning this something. This is generally so in the case of ignoring warnings of impending danger. The 'all giving universe' responds by allowing one to experience the danger.

We could say that uses of anticipation are defensive and rooted in knowledge of possible dangers. Anticipation can also be used in a controlling sense when people make precise plans about carrying out a project that has little to do with openness to the 'creative principle.' Such activity is mostly concerned with meeting external requirements or getting confirmation for oneself being in control.

Having internal discipline is a somewhat different matter. Discipline implies staying the course and being consistent, while not "anticipating" specific outside effects as a result of merely expecting them.

The greatest creative contribution in the service to others mode can be realized in a state of not anticipating outcomes or effects while expressing one's fundamental nature or gift. Much work may be required to properly know this gift and where its use is appropriate. It is not a simple process of self-expression, as it includes doing this in accordance with objective reality. Openness to reality is what makes constructive and non-restricting response possible. Without this objectivity and state of non-assumption one is again forcing one's interpretation, even if unconsciously, on reality.

Acting completely on behalf of universal principles and on an unbiased seeing of reality without any desire for the self is vanishingly rare. Still, combining intent with accurate perception can lead one to entirely unexpected openings and synchronicities. Placing too many restrictions on what are acceptable openings may simply lead one to miss them. This is more a manifestation of obsession than objective seeing.

This idea is tied to the adage that knowledge protects. Knowledge of risks makes preparing for them possible and may offer some psychic protection also. Obsession with specific results is not knowledge, it imposes one's subjectivity on the world and thus does not protect, but can invite quite the contrary. Thus flexibility and objective perception are key.

See Knowledge, Objectivity, YCYOR

 

[black_ronin]

a feeling that makes you absolutely sure that what you are doing is the right path and you are ready to put your whole life into it,

Be very wary of any 'absolutely sure' feelings, because they tend to lead one astray.

But you might consider that without this encouraging thoughts, non of us would have even started to approach the real work, maybe seeing all the difficulties and challenges we would have to face, we would have backed out from the beginning. :/

It's often the opposite of 'encouraging thoughts' that spurs a person to find the truth. It is often profound suffering that motivates a person to finally shed the parts of themselves holding them back, the lies, the illusions, the wishful thinking.

As Laura's signature reads:

"He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus"

Interesting. If that is your perception. I would like to ask you something: Do you see a difference between emotions and feelings? And is there a difference between knowledge and information. Is there something like an objective Truth, and if yes is it possible for a human being to experience it?

On the suffering part, I agree with you that there is no knowledge without suffering, but I think there is no need to seek it actively because it will come to you anyway if you like it or not, when approaching on the path of knowledge, whatever that might be to you.

 

[truth seeker]

On the suffering part, I agree with you that there is no knowledge without suffering, but I think there is no need to seek it actively because it will come to you anyway if you like it or not, when approaching on the path of knowledge, whatever that might be to you.

How then can you account for all the people in the world who are stuck in their suffering who still don't have knowledge? Why hasn't it come to them?