Mozilla has backtracked from the outraging terms of use, but I guess the damage is done.
FireFox (new terms of services) - avoid using it!
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Soooo... download it and start using it? lolI've been using Brave for about 4 years now, always been good. But the founder is very anti-LGBT, so definitely don't use it
yep, I've always been a big fan of FF, but it seems like time to switch over to Brave, despite Carl's very serious warnings.
palestine
Jedi Master
Brave has Tor embed if I remember correctly.
I would see Tor as some form of basic backdoor. After having been reading a couple of articles, it appeared to me that Tor and the Deep Web's origin was quite governmental. Well, this is what I have been reading, somehow that the FBi created it, or another Intel agency.
I would personally run away form any browser featuring Tor. Well, somehow, it could actually indeed be a straight backdoor and sniffing all you do.
I remember as well that one article on Sott was stating that approx. 93% of all the existing traffic was sniffed at the level of the iSP and reported somewhere. This leaves us with a tiny margin. I sometimes have been asking myself about the remaining 7%, as to what it would exactly be. It would be the non-sniffed conversations.
I have been trying to find the article mentioning the 93% - 7% but without success. It was by far the most intriguing one, in those aspects. It overall shows me how we may not really count on "privacy", to a really high extent. I understand that this wouldn't remove an ethical fight. Using another broswer than Firefox would be important.
I am having hard times to pick up a browser. I currently have "min browser", something random and very light that I found out. But it's really after some research and it is far from perfect.
I would definitely discourage people from using Brave, because of the above. The red flag rarely amounts to different outcomes. Like Facebook being "us who do the job". What are your thoughts?
I would see Tor as some form of basic backdoor. After having been reading a couple of articles, it appeared to me that Tor and the Deep Web's origin was quite governmental. Well, this is what I have been reading, somehow that the FBi created it, or another Intel agency.
I would personally run away form any browser featuring Tor. Well, somehow, it could actually indeed be a straight backdoor and sniffing all you do.
I remember as well that one article on Sott was stating that approx. 93% of all the existing traffic was sniffed at the level of the iSP and reported somewhere. This leaves us with a tiny margin. I sometimes have been asking myself about the remaining 7%, as to what it would exactly be. It would be the non-sniffed conversations.
I have been trying to find the article mentioning the 93% - 7% but without success. It was by far the most intriguing one, in those aspects. It overall shows me how we may not really count on "privacy", to a really high extent. I understand that this wouldn't remove an ethical fight. Using another broswer than Firefox would be important.
I am having hard times to pick up a browser. I currently have "min browser", something random and very light that I found out. But it's really after some research and it is far from perfect.
I would definitely discourage people from using Brave, because of the above. The red flag rarely amounts to different outcomes. Like Facebook being "us who do the job". What are your thoughts?
undistinguished
A Disturbance in the Force
I think it's pretty much impossible to stay anonymous these days, privacy browser or no.. It's like going to an ATM machine with a ski mask on, and withdrawing money with your personal bank card, thinking that they don't know who withdrew the money :D
They have so many tools to follow your movements that regular internet user has no way to go around them. If you're using phone for internet, they have your personal IMEI number that is unique for every phone hardware and linked to the user. If you are using intel based computer, they have built-in backdoors at processor-level... Windows 11 requires the computer to have a TPM module installed, which is like a hardware ID-number that is different for every computer and linked to the user who bought the computer...
I was once very concerned about online privacy, but nowadays i don't really care anymore. I'd say it safer to assume that every action is recorded. Just remember to write in a way that humours the AI that collects your data, and you're cool :D Technology has advanced so much, that unless you're a god tier hacker, you can't really stay anonymous or protect your data. They have all sorts of mind-bending techniques. Using internet routers and wi-fi networks as radars to map your room and movements. Using LED-lights as cameras...
Advanced non-commercial AI's are so advanced that we are already at the "Minority report" levels of sci-fi here :D It can categorize you based on your past internet activity, mouse movements, speech patterns etc.... I have no proof, but I wouldn't be surprised, if the AI knows your future too.
:::::::This user is 99.98% compatible with the human activity pattern 19H87fsHH00dSS.033. Giving him this stimulus will result in this reply etc... Based on his movements 1 hour prior to logging online, he moved in the proximity of 57 wi-fi antennas in the area, 250 security cameras, and 70 satellites. He was walking 3.5% faster than usually which indicates mildly irritated state of mind, and applying this mood to behaviour pattern 19H87fsHH00dSS.033 we can predict response 89898X55 with 99.98% accuracy. Calculations done in 0.032 ms.::::::
Ok I'm just joking at this point, but still. Better get used to the idea that you're always monitored, because this is the world now :P
They have so many tools to follow your movements that regular internet user has no way to go around them. If you're using phone for internet, they have your personal IMEI number that is unique for every phone hardware and linked to the user. If you are using intel based computer, they have built-in backdoors at processor-level... Windows 11 requires the computer to have a TPM module installed, which is like a hardware ID-number that is different for every computer and linked to the user who bought the computer...
I was once very concerned about online privacy, but nowadays i don't really care anymore. I'd say it safer to assume that every action is recorded. Just remember to write in a way that humours the AI that collects your data, and you're cool :D Technology has advanced so much, that unless you're a god tier hacker, you can't really stay anonymous or protect your data. They have all sorts of mind-bending techniques. Using internet routers and wi-fi networks as radars to map your room and movements. Using LED-lights as cameras...
Advanced non-commercial AI's are so advanced that we are already at the "Minority report" levels of sci-fi here :D It can categorize you based on your past internet activity, mouse movements, speech patterns etc.... I have no proof, but I wouldn't be surprised, if the AI knows your future too.
:::::::This user is 99.98% compatible with the human activity pattern 19H87fsHH00dSS.033. Giving him this stimulus will result in this reply etc... Based on his movements 1 hour prior to logging online, he moved in the proximity of 57 wi-fi antennas in the area, 250 security cameras, and 70 satellites. He was walking 3.5% faster than usually which indicates mildly irritated state of mind, and applying this mood to behaviour pattern 19H87fsHH00dSS.033 we can predict response 89898X55 with 99.98% accuracy. Calculations done in 0.032 ms.::::::
Ok I'm just joking at this point, but still. Better get used to the idea that you're always monitored, because this is the world now :P
JeanSchemit
Padawan Learner
palestine
Jedi Master
They have been a negative episode lately. A quick random search (not done with duckduckgo
) brought me the following result:DuckDuckGo privacy browser caught sending tracking data to Microsoft - CyberGuy
What's pretty sad is that such episodes can be found for almost everything available - browsers, searching websites
"As above so below" / Occam razor >> computers themselves?!
onemen
Jedi
In my case, I'm on a linux and I found Brave working great out the box. I've tried FF, Vivaldi, Edge and found them all very annoyingly buggy regarding embedded contents (youtube/xtwitter) on websites and especially this forum. Since I don't want to find time to pinpoint the issues or customise FF, I've settled for Brave and never looked back.
This is exactly what the intel agencies have been doing with our data + metadata for a long time now, and smartphones made it 100x better. No AI required - we just call those types of data-sifting systems "AI" nowadays.
undistinguished
A Disturbance in the Force
Yeah. And quantum computers make this process even easier. consider every encryption method ever already hacked. I heard some rumors tho, that the ET's are not allowing us to use the full potential of the quantum computers just yet. Too powerful. We have some basic google and chinese and french quantum computers that are semi-commercial, but level above that is still restricted. (LIzaRDS?) can't allow us to have that level of tech without supervision.
Quantum computers are like Atomic bombs? Not allowed to use and under hard surveillance.
palestine
Jedi Master
Hello Scottie,
I have been hinting at various issues above; those are things that I have been stumbling upon, mostly thanks to Sott:
- ISP basically sniffing all data
- Tor in regard to its creation
Does this conclusion match anything at the side of a tech pro? It could be that what to do would be completely diverse, so asking.
This would bring up the VPN issue too. Thank you for any input!
I understand that FF has to be left on the side. How would you consider all the forks? Is is strictly speaking related to a FF version number having to remain below the current affected one - or are all FF forks falling in such new data agreement? Thank you!
I've talked about a lot of this stuff here and there in my YT videos. But the long and the short of it is this:
Don't convince yourself that by doing X, Y, and Z you are protecting yourself, because you're not.
25 years ago, the company I worked for made internet backbone switches. By law they had a backdoor for intel agencies to access any individual stream (voice, data, video, whatever). That was before smartphones with their constant connectivity and gobs of sensors, the sneaky use of which gives plenty of "metadata" like velocity, direction, light levels, and all kinds of other stuff that can easily be used to figure out what you're doing and where you're going without actually having any hard data to work with.
Another example: encryption is a joke. Sure, it can be pretty good, but because it's nearly always implemented using some "library" that is inherently flawed, most implementations have gaping holes that make breaking it much easier. And even if it IS done correctly, it was invented and promoted by the NSA in the first place, so...
And if it's proprietary, then not enough people have reviewed the code to make it robust which is pretty much essential with encryption because cryptography involves bonkers math that like 41 people actually fully understand.
Finally, my wife shopped for something obscure and cheap on Amazon. We talked about it - when her phone was present and on. Okay, duly noted... 2 days later, I got an e-mail from AliExpress selling me that exact type of product, which they never offered me before and which is so rare that no advertiser would ever think to offer it to me based on my purchase history or anything else. So how did we go from Amazon + Google -> AliExpress - and from her to me?! That's pretty interesting. Neither of us use shopping apps. But if I try to block everything, I might never know it was happening.
At the end of the day, I think the #1 thing anyone can do is never assume you are safe, private, and secure online. Most likely you're not.
The worst thing I see people doing is picking one or two things, and then telling everyone they do those things as if that keeps them safe. Like "I use a VPN and I use Brave!" Then 5 minutes later they pick up their smartphone (which was on the whole time) and proceed to carry it around with them everywhere they go the whole day. A little knowledge coupled with a little ego can be a dangerous thing.
So, if you always keep that mind, then at least you're not lying to yourself and, most importantly, at least you are aware of the sheer extent of the problem. And you know what they say about awareness!
Don't convince yourself that by doing X, Y, and Z you are protecting yourself, because you're not.
25 years ago, the company I worked for made internet backbone switches. By law they had a backdoor for intel agencies to access any individual stream (voice, data, video, whatever). That was before smartphones with their constant connectivity and gobs of sensors, the sneaky use of which gives plenty of "metadata" like velocity, direction, light levels, and all kinds of other stuff that can easily be used to figure out what you're doing and where you're going without actually having any hard data to work with.
Another example: encryption is a joke. Sure, it can be pretty good, but because it's nearly always implemented using some "library" that is inherently flawed, most implementations have gaping holes that make breaking it much easier. And even if it IS done correctly, it was invented and promoted by the NSA in the first place, so...
And if it's proprietary, then not enough people have reviewed the code to make it robust which is pretty much essential with encryption because cryptography involves bonkers math that like 41 people actually fully understand.Finally, my wife shopped for something obscure and cheap on Amazon. We talked about it - when her phone was present and on. Okay, duly noted... 2 days later, I got an e-mail from AliExpress selling me that exact type of product, which they never offered me before and which is so rare that no advertiser would ever think to offer it to me based on my purchase history or anything else. So how did we go from Amazon + Google -> AliExpress - and from her to me?! That's pretty interesting. Neither of us use shopping apps. But if I try to block everything, I might never know it was happening.
At the end of the day, I think the #1 thing anyone can do is never assume you are safe, private, and secure online. Most likely you're not.
The worst thing I see people doing is picking one or two things, and then telling everyone they do those things as if that keeps them safe. Like "I use a VPN and I use Brave!" Then 5 minutes later they pick up their smartphone (which was on the whole time) and proceed to carry it around with them everywhere they go the whole day. A little knowledge coupled with a little ego can be a dangerous thing.
So, if you always keep that mind, then at least you're not lying to yourself and, most importantly, at least you are aware of the sheer extent of the problem. And you know what they say about awareness!
palestine
Jedi Master
Thank you all, great for me to be able to discuss those things. 
Thank you all for your inputs. Good luck in your findings for something balanced, then! I would post about my findings if anything comes up. But I see it may not be the exact way to go. But some may indeed require such advices, so why not trying to find out some working solutions.
This sums things up greatly.
This makes sense; it helps as well than to see it as a potential for malignant use. Somehow I don't see this as initially malignant, per se. It could still raise ethical questions. Any way thank you as it illustrates "ISP sniffing". We may want to head to point C rather than digressing on lower "Facebook's collection of data" specs. But it could be that we should fight and raise the basic voice of "no" when some services become too pushy in their privacy infringements.
Did you find out where it was coming from?
Thank you all for your inputs. Good luck in your findings for something balanced, then! I would post about my findings if anything comes up. But I see it may not be the exact way to go. But some may indeed require such advices, so why not trying to find out some working solutions.
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