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Scottie said:
Finally, my wife shopped for something obscure and cheap on Amazon. We talked about it - when her phone was present and on. Okay, duly noted... 2 days later, I got an e-mail from AliExpress selling me that exact type of product, which they never offered me before and which is so rare that no advertiser would ever think to offer it to me based on my purchase history or anything else. So how did we go from Amazon + Google -> AliExpress - and from her to me?! That's pretty interesting. Neither of us use shopping apps. But if I try to block everything, I might never know it was happening.
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Online habits are tracked continuously while you are connected to the Internet. This includes the websites you visit, the products you review and buy, the searches you make, the content you like on social media, and even the location recorded by your device's GPS. This information allows companies to learn about the interests and preferences of Internet users and make personalized recommendations. For example: if you search for hiking trails, you are likely to see travel ads to places where this activity is practiced at some point, even if you have not proactively searched for the specific place.

But the villain behind the myth that mobile phones spy on conversations is the ability to share preferences between nearby devices. In other words, there is a function in smartphones that allows information about shopping habits to be exchanged between them. Just as people chat to share information, devices do too, with the aim of improving the personalization of online offers.

It is worth noting that this exchange is not associated with the owner of the mobile phone, but with the Internet Protocol (IP) registration number of the device. This means that no personal data is “leaked.” Technically, what is transmitted is “metadata” that does not allow the identification of the persons in question.
 
I use Brave, but the anti-tracking feature can sometimes bug sites out. I.e., if they ask you to accept cookies via a banner, sometimes Brave will block the pop up, and you're left with a frozen site. If this happens, click the Brave icon next to the web address, and unselect the shields up button, it will automatically reload the page and usually fixes any issues.
 
I wasnt able to download brave with mac os as I have an older version (mac catalina 10.15.)
i tried unsuccesfully to find a workaround - only option is upgrade os on mac ...



Changes to macOS desktop browser requirements​




The last supported version for users on macOS 10.15 Catalina is Brave version 1.69x and Chromium 128. After Brave Browser updates to version 1.70 or higher, macOS users will need to upgrade to macOS 11 Big Sur in order to receive new browser updates.

The last supported version for users on macOS 10.13 High Sierra and 10.14 Mojave is Brave version 1.57.64 (find the Brave-Browser-universal.dmg file in the list) and Chromium 116.

These changes are made in parallel with new Chromium system requirements.
 
Wandering Star said:
But the villain behind the myth that mobile phones spy on conversations is the ability to share preferences between nearby devices. In other words, there is a function in smartphones that allows information about shopping habits to be exchanged between them. Just as people chat to share information, devices do too, with the aim of improving the personalization of online offers.
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Not sure how that would work since:
1. She didn't shop on her phone, but on her computer
2. My phone wasn't on at all during the time between her shopping and my ad reception
3. The product in question is so cheap and rare that no advertiser in their right might would push people (or their spouses) to buy it.
4. Many shopping sites are so dumb, it boggles the mind. For example, if I shop on Amazon for a food dehydrator, and then I actually order one, the next time I go to Amazon (and some other sites with ads) I'm bombarded with dehydrators - for weeks! That doesn't even make sense - at least for Amazon, which knows exactly what I bought!

In any case, I agree that the phone doesn't need to listen to conversations to know exactly what you're doing. "Metadata" reveals A LOT about people. That's the whole reason they call it "meta"-data: so everyone thinks it's not "real" personal data and is perfectly safe. How exactly is tracking everything I do NOT personal? 😂
 
I've had that "conversation with someone else" away from my phone, and then I would get an ad about something I discussed with someone else.

Another thing that has become very common as of late is adding your card to your phone, so all your shopping is tied to your phone number and all its location capabilities, and all its apps and emails, texts and everything.

There is really no way to hide on the internet.
 
Alejo said:
I've had that "conversation with someone else" away from my phone, and then I would get an ad about something I discussed with someone else.
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:jawdrop:
I don't have a cellphone

I was about to write how I find this absolutely disgusting - when, actually, it's just that such stuff is most probably in motion since the start. If you think about it, it shows some hypocrisy: they can afford the user understanding that such process is happening - and it's for... ads. This hints at some end-of-the-chain stuff, then most probably in motion for a while.

I mean... What could be the next step, actually? Having been reaching such hypocrisy, it's now ground zero. Seriously.

I had some cell phones in the past. It was at the time of cell phone without "camera". I suppose that all was duly sniffed and monitored (as Scottie suggests, under the name of "fighting terrorism"). Eh. I am happy than to put "the cell phone" in its due place. It seems that it was primarily a tool for control. I would be interested in some real study along those lines... It wouldn't be able to balance a positive use of it as being enough for widespread use!

Note that my personal position about tech is that it's okay if restricted to some people, in charge. We don't need that many electronic tech all the time. A tech guy like Scottie may find it relevant to use tech more than others - but we are headed towards everybody should use it (and everything) at a high rate. There seems to be a magical "endless road" without any reflection as to any form of "limit". "It just matches a civilization growing so-it's-good to have it ever growing".
 
Not a cell-phone/smartphone user either , fwiiw , metadata is just never say anything speak for unique identifiers ( which is what it is given enough of it ), shift language and tweak legislation and the "beast " marches on. eh
 
Alejo said:
I've had that "conversation with someone else" away from my phone, and then I would get an ad about something I discussed with someone else.
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Yep we've had that happen too, with things we'd talked about for the first and only time while nowhere near anyone else, but while carrying a phone in a pocket or bag.. The only way we could fathom it is if the phone really is just straight up always recording, either sending audio to somewhere, or more simply just grabbing keywords out of nearby speech and serving them to ad providers. At first I was like, "nah, surely not? must be coincidence" but it's happened enough times now, it seems obviously a thing that they do.

About web browsers - thanks for the Vivaldi mention! I've been using Brave for ages and been happy with it, but it'll no longer allow itself to be updated on my pc (due to running a purposefully archaic Linux distro) so I was thinking of changing.. Vivaldi seems good.
 
None of this is surprising if you remember about 12-15 years ago, there was a report this guy did after checking around to see who owned what. We all know there's only a handful in each industry, but what he found was that two companies were major shareholder of most all Western corporations, they being Blackrock and Vanguard, and later he found that Vanguard owns/controls Blackrock, but he couldn't find the names of who owns/controls Vanguard. So, that must indicate SG level connection. Haven't seen anything on the rest of the world, but China is CCP dominated, which could be the reason the C's said their gold holdings weren't that high. They send so much to a few different banks, but do they all buy it up from there? Hard to say unless the questions get more specific. Now, we have the issue of gold returning fast to the USA/Comex, which has Basel III rules to abide by shortly, which seems designed to wreck the OWO paper derivative markets. The CIA's BTC project seems to still hold the early prime numbers, so why not send those to Trump's cryypto unit at the treasury or wherever that new setup is going. I think we know the answer to that. Internet control seems just another tool of the usual players as they get squeezed against that wall of reality forcing them to obey more and more, not realizing that money is meaningless in that NWO. Can Trump keep out of the emerging WW3? not that it matters.
 
Scottie said:
Finally, my wife shopped for something obscure and cheap on Amazon. We talked about it - when her phone was present and on. Okay, duly noted... 2 days later, I got an e-mail from AliExpress selling me that exact type of product, which they never offered me before and which is so rare that no advertiser would ever think to offer it to me based on my purchase history or anything else. So how did we go from Amazon + Google -> AliExpress - and from her to me?! That's pretty interesting. Neither of us use shopping apps. But if I try to block everything, I might never know it was happening.
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Do think the real target after the iPhone came along are the smartphones, you can't really tamper with them. With a computer, for instance, you could just use layers of extensions and tweaks on the browser, but even then.

We might be very well be using the indestructible Nokia 3310, but'll be revealing your location to cell towers, and your calls to the phone companies, of course. Guess these thingies should be set aside away in a far way room if you are discussing important things.

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gdpetti said:
So, that must indicate SG level connection.
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What does "SG" mean, please?

gdpetti said:
None of this is surprising if you remember about 12-15 years ago, there was a report this guy did after checking around to see who owned what. We all know there's only a handful in each industry, but what he found was that two companies were major shareholder of most all Western corporations, they being Blackrock and Vanguard,
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Was it all sectors? Media, food, banking, etc?

gdpetti said:
China is CCP dominated, which could be the reason the C's said their gold holdings weren't that high.
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Forgive me if I wrong, but I have the following session at hand:

Session 25 March 2017​

Q: (Pierre) Oh my god, it's less than France... Officially, China holds 1,800 tons of gold. But according to many sources, they hold more. What is the real number?

A: 3100
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@Navigator:
Navigator said:
Do think the real target after the iPhone came along are the smartphones, you can't really tamper with them. With a computer, for instance, you could just use layers of extensions and tweaks on the browser, but even then.
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It could be hardware then
 
By the way, if a smartphone is off in the sense that a switch off button was pressed, it does not necessarily mean that it still does not transmit or receive some data. At least for sure some things are still on within the phone if the battery inside has some power in it.
For example, an alarm set to activate at 8:00 switched on my cellphone at 7:55 all by itself, in case when it was left off during the night. So, at least a clock is working normally even when the cellphone is switched off.
And when charging it while in off state, it doesn't take switching it on completely to show the battery status, just a normal press on the button on its side, like waking it up from the sleep mode.
FWIW.

Edit: Received mail yesterday that PayPal is changing its Legal Agreements, with the change to be implemented at April 25th. FWIW.
 
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