France is collapsing, Le Pen says

Ellipse

The Living Force
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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226175-France-is-collapsing-Le-Pen-says

I'm very uncomfortable with this one. I don't know if SOTT editors realize but quoting Le Pen it's like assuming Sarah Palin rhetoric. Even if Le Pen say some true, to copy a such article is highly confusing for the audience.

Le Pen is at the head of the far right political parti and at the opposite of SOTT values. I think the article must be removed.
 
Ellipse said:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/226175-France-is-collapsing-Le-Pen-says

I'm very uncomfortable with this one. I don't know if SOTT editors realize but quoting Le Pen it's like assuming Sarah Palin rhetoric. Even if Le Pen say some true, to copy a such article is highly confusing for the audience.

Le Pen is at the head of the far right political parti and at the opposite of SOTT values. I think the article must be removed.

I don't know Le Pen but if she is a Sarah Palin type of person,
I would second the removing.
 
The SOTT editors in general are aware of who Le Pen is and what she stands for. In some very specific ways, she's worse than her father.

But if we can't ever post an article about what she said, then how are people supposed to know what is going on?

Of course, it would be good to add an editor's comment to explain what it all means. I know our French editors will have a few interesting things to say!

As for Le Pen herself, personally this is what I suspect:

The PTB want to install Strauss-Kahn. He's basically "their man". Even though he's "socialist", he's not really. Many French people wouldn't like that. So, instead, they start Le Pen up early. Of course, everyone thinks she nuts because she's pretty right-wing. So then they'll make it LP vs SK, and SK will win and everyone will be "so relieved".

That's my take. Other Frenchies I know think that the PTB really do want LP installed after Sarko.

At the end of the day, I'm afraid it doesn't matter who "wins the election". Sarko, LP, SK, Santa Claus - who cares? They'll all just toe the line and lead France to disaster, just like in every other country. I'm reminded of the last election in the USA that saw Obama become the First Black President. People were going CRAZY because finally, there was hope! Change was coming! Now look at him. Look at the US.

It's all a game to the psychopaths in power. And frankly, it's dead easy for them to get away with it. I know one particular Frenchman who is VERY highly educated. Before Sarko, he talked about how he loved Sarko and was going to vote for him. Later on, when other people were beginning to get fed up with Sarko, this person revealed that he actually had voted for Royale - he just didn't want to say anything because he thought everyone else loved Sarko and he didn't want any trouble. It never even occurred to him that a man in his position - a well-educated man - might be able to encourage others so that THEY weren't afraid to speak their minds. Had everyone done that, the election results would never have stood. Too many people would have known that too many other people had voted for Royale, so Sarko couldn't possibly have won. The real problem isn't the bozos they install as our fearless leaders - it's that the psychopaths that run the world know us better than we know ourselves. And then, of course, there are the Sheeple, who just do what they're told because there's nobody home.

Of course, I DO think that change is coming - and it's Mama Earth who's gonna do it. Some are really not going to be happy about it...

That's my cheerful view on the subject, anyway! :shock:
 
Mr. Scott said:
But if we can't ever post an article about what she said, then how are people supposed to know what is going on?

Of course, it would be good to add an editor's comment to explain what it all means. I know our French editors will have a few interesting things to say!

Do you really think she is a reliable source of information!? This is a ring-wing parti, this is populism, their goal is to divide not to tell the true! If you quote them you give credit to them. And you can't give credit to someone who is at the head of a parti which have Nazi roots! How SOTT editors do not realize this?

There's others ways to tell the true for sure.
 
Ellipse, for me, the article does not say LP is a "reliable source of information"

You could argue, that by printing the article, awareness is being raised as to the dangers of people like her.

SOTT cover stories from Obama to Bin Laden To British Prime Minister to Sarkosy - it doesn't mean it endorses supports or
or anything else.

Ellipse our political leaders are all the same! They are all puppets in an wider agenda - That's why SoTT is right to raise awareness. I don't live in France _ I would have missed this particular titibit of psychopathy had I not read it here.

SoTT delivers news not censorship.

I can see why you feel so passioantly, about this, awful person, but it is News.

Al
 
alphonse said:
Ellipse, for me, the article does not say LP is a "reliable source of information"

The article do not say this but quoting and bolding what she say imply it. If not why copying the article?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_%28France%29
* A return to traditional values: to include making access to abortion more difficult or illegal; giving an income to mothers who do not go out to work; promoting local traditional culture.
* Greater independence from the European Union and other international organizations.
* The establishment of tariffs or other protectionist measures against cheap imports.
* Firm sentences for all crimes and reinstatement of the death penalty for "the most heinous crimes".
* The end of Non-European immigration and the establishment of the jus sanguinis.

The party opposes immigration, particularly Muslim immigration from North Africa, West Africa and the Middle East. In a standardized pamphlet delivered to all French electors in the 1995 presidential election, Jean-Marie Le Pen proposed the "sending back" of "three million non-Europeans" out of France, by "humane and dignified means".[10]

alphonse said:
Ellipse our political leaders are all the same!
This is white & black thinking. Do you really think Hitller was the same political leader as others? Do you think their's no balance? :mad:
 
Ellipse said:
This is white & black thinking. Do you really think Hitler was the same political leader as others? Do you think their's no balance? Angry

Dear Ellipse - I am sorry that my view provoked you in to having to use an "Angry Icon".

As you say Hitler was indeed the extreme example in recent times, but having read about the the way the British treated the Irish, the way Israel treats the Palestinians and and many other examples of institutionalised and government sanctioned psychopathy, it leads me to suspect that it is very likely that an organised agenda exists, and as Mr. Scott put it,

Mr'Scott said:
At the end of the day, I'm afraid it doesn't matter who "wins the election". Sarko, LP, SK, Santa Claus - who cares? They'll all just toe the line and lead France to disaster, just like in every other country

Again, I am sorry if I made you angry, I didn't mean to.

It's just that I think, if we have any chance of battling or confronting extreme views they have to be exposed for what they are. I too detest her politics (and being partly of North African decent, she wouldn't be too fond of me either) and yes, the more extreme, the more abhorrent, but ignoring it won't make it go away.

Maybe if SoTT or a publication brave enough in the same way had been around before Hitlers rise to power, and posted articles about his hateful and hate fueled politics.....who knows what course history may have taken?

But they weren't, however the once supressed publication Political Ponerology goes in to subjects such as this in greater detail, and if you have not read it yet, it is well worth it.

For now though I repeat, I think SoTT is right to raise awareness and encourage debate, and whilst I think whoever is in power matters little, I agree with you that if we can keep the more extreme elements out of power we will all be safer for longer.

take care,
Al
 
alphonse said:
Maybe if SoTT or a publication brave enough in the same way had been around before Hitlers rise to power, and posted articles about his hateful and hate fueld politics.....who knows what course history may have taken?

Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view :cry:
 
Ellipse said:
Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view Cry

Sorry Ellpise, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that you think the SoTT editors support the views of Le Pen?

If you are saying that, then I think you are being over emotional here - and I will gracefully back out of this debate,
because it has just taken a bizzare and surreal turn!
 
alphonse said:
Ellipse said:
Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view Cry

Sorry Ellpise, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that you think the SoTT editors support the views of Le Pen?

If you are saying that, then I think you are being over emotional here - and I will gracefully back out of this debate,
because it has just taken a bizzare and surreal turn!

Yes, it does appear that Ellipse is allowing his emotions to run his intellect in this situation and is exhibiting some identification and cloudy thinking.
 
anart said:
alphonse said:
Ellipse said:
Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view Cry

Sorry Ellpise, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that you think the SoTT editors support the views of Le Pen?

If you are saying that, then I think you are being over emotional here - and I will gracefully back out of this debate,
because it has just taken a bizzare and surreal turn!

Yes, it does appear that Ellipse is allowing his emotions to run his intellect in this situation and is exhibiting some identification and cloudy thinking.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Although, I agree with Mr. Scott that the article could use some editorial comments just to clear things up. I don't think many US readers would even have a clue who Le Pen is. I know I sure didn't before I saw this discussion! :halo:
 
alphonse said:
Ellipse said:
Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view Cry

Sorry Ellpise, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that you think the SoTT editors support the views of Le Pen?

If you are saying that, then I think you are being over emotional here - and I will gracefully back out of this debate,
because it has just taken a bizzare and surreal turn!

No, of course not. What I want to say is that if I'm a SOTT news reader I will think that SOTT is supporting Le Pen view.
 
Bolding what LePen says emphasizes her evilness because what she is saying is EVIL. Any regular sott reader would get that.
 
Ellipse said:
alphonse said:
Ellipse said:
Yes, but the article here is not used to expose their views, it is used to support SOTT view Cry

Sorry Ellpise, I don't understand what you mean here. Are you saying that you think the SoTT editors support the views of Le Pen?

If you are saying that, then I think you are being over emotional here - and I will gracefully back out of this debate,
because it has just taken a bizzare and surreal turn!

No, of course not. What I want to say is that if I'm a SOTT news reader I will think that SOTT is supporting Le Pen view.
By your logic then SoTT must support Obama, Cameren, Sarkosi, Sarah Palin, Bush, Gadafi, Isreal, the CIA/FBI/MOSSAD etc, the point is SoTT does NOT support them, nor does it support Le Pen. What it does do is have articles about all the above, so people can be informed about what these people/organisations are up to.
I'd never heard of Le Pen until now. And after reading the SoTT article I have a fair idea how right wing she is and how closely she is following her controllers script.
 
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