"Freedom from Conscience -- Melanie's Journey" -- a lovable psychopath.

[Laura]

Again, I think people are messing up the trailer-park variety of psychopath with the Capitol Hill, Wall Street variety. There is a huge difference between how the low functioning sort of psychopaths that wind up in maximum security prisons and the ones who wind up sitting in the Oval Office.

No, you are assuming that there is more to sub-criminal or high functioning psychopaths than is there. The high functioning type are mostly smarter and thus better able to conceal their difference. Their mask is better constructed and they are careful about not letting it slip because somewhere in childhood, they learned that they lose their meal if they let it slip.

They are able to learn from their mistakes but they don't see them as mistakes. More often, its the normies that make excuses for them and they encourage that.

 

[Gimpy]

So if one wants to see a good portrayal of a psychopath maybe watching a few James Bond movies is in order."

Sure...if I'm interested in the 15 year old version with a fancy car.

And as for the Twilight comment, yes psychopaths are very much embodied into the concept of the vampire. Problem is, many people have an impression of psychopaths as nothing more than reptiles which is as far from the truth as you can get.

Based on what data?

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Revolutionary,

There are plenty of references on this forum to books and articles which describe perfectly what a psychopath really is. Maybe reading them might give you a clue about how wrong you are on this subject.

Many of us also have had first hand experience of this type of individual. One could even say that some members of this forum, through their experience, readings and understanding of the subject are actually experts in the field.

Personally I think your way of thinking is actually dangerous because people who haven't read all the material available might think that you have a point, and, like you, totally miss the point about psychopathy.

My two cents...

 

[clerck de bonk]

I would just like to stress EmeraldHope's question to You Revolutionary ; Have You read Political Ponerology?
If not, come again when You have.

 

[Nienna]

Revolutionary, you are blurring the lines of what a "successful" psychopath is. Just because they aren't in jail or haven't killed anyone doesn't mean that they are any more compassionate than the ones who are in jail. They are smarter, had a better childhood, etc. They still lack empathy and conscience. As Laura said, they have a better mask.

There is no psychopath who loves anyone but her/himself. They may act like they do - that is part of their mask - but they don't.

You are the one who does not really understand the true psychopath. What you are describing is someone who has been ponerized. (This is where reading Political Ponerology comes in.) They may act like a psychopath because they have been taught that this is how you succeed so they emulate what they see. And through doing this, they can become very close to a real psychopath. This whole country is full of them because of the ponerization process that has been going on here for decades.

What you are doing trying to teach others about what you think you know is doing them a grave disservice. You are setting them up to be sucked up and spit out by these types of psychopaths. Whether you are doing this consciously or not doesn't matter when in the end, those people who think you know what you do not, will be very, very hurt.

 

[Revolutionary]

The common characteristic to all psychopaths, whether high achieving ones, low lives or serial killers is the lack of a conscience and thus, the inability to feel remorse. They're utterly incapable of feeling "love" or "care" for anyone, though they can certainly FAKE it very well. Love/Emotion/Care is jut not wired into them. It seems to me you're trying to muddy the waters here.

Muddy the waters? No, trying to clarify exactly what a psychopath is so people are less taken in by them. There is no such thing as someone who is utterly without some sort of emotion, even if it is practically non-existent. Someone else brought up the issue of ponerology, which deals with psychopaths in high offices making the society into their image. Okay that implies psychopathology exists in high places. So please, someone name just a few world leaders who are psychopaths and are utterly devoid of any and all human emotion.

 

[Laura]

Muddy the waters? No, trying to clarify exactly what a psychopath is so people are less taken in by them. There is no such thing as someone who is utterly without some sort of emotion, even if it is practically non-existent.

You also need to read Polyvagal theory. There ARE people utterly without emotions because the primitive vagal response - that of the reptile - is what is dominant and operative.

Someone else brought up the issue of ponerology, which deals with psychopaths in high offices making the society into their image. Okay that implies psychopathology exists in high places. So please, someone name just a few world leaders who are psychopaths and are utterly devoid of any and all human emotion.

Probably all of them. If you think they have real emotions, other than the predatory nature of the crocodile, and the ability to cry "crocodile tears" to fool you, then you are ripe for plucking.

 

[EmeraldHope]

The common characteristic to all psychopaths, whether high achieving ones, low lives or serial killers is the lack of a conscience and thus, the inability to feel remorse. They're utterly incapable of feeling "love" or "care" for anyone, though they can certainly FAKE it very well. Love/Emotion/Care is jut not wired into them. It seems to me you're trying to muddy the waters here.

Muddy the waters? No, trying to clarify exactly what a psychopath is so people are less taken in by them. There is no such thing as someone who is utterly without some sort of emotion, even if it is practically non-existent. Someone else brought up the issue of ponerology, which deals with psychopaths in high offices making the society into their image. Okay that implies psychopathology exists in high places. So please, someone name just a few world leaders who are psychopaths and are utterly devoid of any and all human emotion.

It would appear that you are confusing emotion with basic insitictive reactions such as rage, hunger ( feeding of all types) and sexual inclinations. It may would behoove you to do some research on the scans of essential psychopaths brains and also research on the Polyvigal Theory that would scientifically verify for you these beings do not respond to nor have what a normal human would classify as emotion or empathy. If you do not want to do further research and also read Political Ponerology that is your choice, but you are leading many people down a primrose path with you assumptions.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

So please, someone name just a few world leaders who are psychopaths and are utterly devoid of any and all human emotion.

How much time do you have?

Please read the books and articles. Psychopaths experience proto-emotions, i.e. they lack the strength and depth of real emotions and have more to do with reactions to frustration than anything else.

Here is what Cleckley says:

In addition to his incapacity for object love, the psychopath always shows general poverty of affect. Although it is true that be sometimes becomes excited and shouts as if in rage or seems to exult in enthusiasm and again weeps in what appear to be bitter tears or speaks eloquent and mournful words about his misfortunes or his follies, the conviction dawns on those who observe him carefully that here we deal with a readiness of expression rather than a strength of feeling.” (The Mask of Sanity, 349)

The proto-emotions experienced by a psychopath tie in, once again, to the satisfaction or frustration of his immediate desires: “Vexation, spite, quick and labile flashes of quasi-affection, peevish resentment, shallow moods of self-pity, puerile attitudes of vanity, and absurd and showy poses of indignation are all within his emotional scale and are freely sounded as the circumstances of life play upon him. But mature, wholehearted anger, true or consistent indignation, honest, solid grief, sustaining pride, deep joy, and genuine despair are reactions not likely to be found within this scale.” (The Mask of Sanity, 349)

You know, when I first read about psychopaths on this forum, I had a really hard time believing what I was reading. When you think about it, it's just too horrible to contemplate: are we really sharing the earth with people like this? What it entails is just too earth-shattering. I understand why you would not want to go there. If your aim by coming to this forum is to learn, then by all means read all you can find on psychopaths and you will see. If you came here to try and make us change our mind, I personally think you are wasting your time.

 

[anart]

Revolutionary, I think you really need to get up to speed on the actual facts about psychopathy before you go onto forums and try to explain things. You are so far off that it's painful to read. You've been given some great information and titles to read to get yourself up to speed, so if you could do that, you'll be much - much - better off and you might actually be able to then help others. All you're doing right now is spreading lies and disinformation, which only benefits the psychopaths.

 

[cubbex]

So, if this person is correct if a see james bond I'll known what a psychopath is?

If I watch pokemon would I become a biologist?

So please, someone name just a few world leaders who are psychopaths and are utterly devoid of any and all human emotion.

Please read the books and articles. Psychopaths experience proto-emotions, i.e. they lack the strength and depth of real emotions and have more to do with reactions to frustration than anything else.

Indeed. Psychopaths just copy the motor reactions to emotions.

 

[paralleloscope]

Mike Cross?

Just heard a redice radio show (which mainly is an outlet for disinformation) with Mike Cross on the topic of psychopaths and how the scandinavian social model plays into 'their' hands- It was an interesting listen and they plug PP and the other good books on the subject but something irked me about him and I can't put my finger on what it is. He's the authour of the book "Freedom From Conscience - Melanie's Journey", from the blurb on Amazon from :

Melanie is a gifted young woman who yearns to connect with others-yet has experienced a life filled with loneliness and constant bullying by her peers. Her outlook on society is one of being an outsider, a spectator, and perhaps in reaction to emotional pain...her personality could be described as psychopathic. When Melanie enters a new school for her senior year, she is surprised when immediately befriended by two students, Nicole and Daniel, as well as a charismatic teacher, Mark Lindberg. She begins to cherish her relationship with the mysterious Nicole, and also finds herself drawn to her teacher. Yet she begins to suspect something deeper is behind their fascination with, and joking about, serial killing. Is it mere intellectual curiosity, mixed with dark humor, or could they be involved in the recent wave of killings taking place in the Portland area? The reader accompanies Melanie on her journey of discovery as she evolves from outcast to "destroying angel," and is left with the question-how far will she go to impress, then later protect, the man she allows herself to take a chance on loving?

That short description of her doesn't sound like a psychopatic description. I haven't read more than this and I could be wrong on this sensation?

The redice interview:
_http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2012/04/RIR-120405.php
and here a talk on psychopaths mixed in with a plug for his book:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MZCHjGkTPg

 

[EmeraldHope]

Re: Mike Cross?

Melanie's Journey was discussed here: http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,26087.msg311276.html#msg311276

 

[paralleloscope]

Ah, never took mention of the title discussed here (remember this guy Revolutionary) and only searched his name. The off-sense came when I saw that youtbe of him, something about his presentation, then came the weird book description.

 

[Renaissance]

Ah, never took mention of the title discussed here (remember this guy Revolutionary) and only searched his name. The off-sense came when I saw that youtbe of him, something about his presentation, then came the weird book description.

I think the guy who was promoting the book in this thread was probably the author. This was the only thread he ever posted on and it looks like it was just a promotional effort - when he didn't the praise he was looking for, he took off. He was also using the same arguments in the thread that I heard on a couple of interviews/videos. I know what you mean about his presentation. He comes across to me as though he is pontificating and seems to lack a connection with the audience and host. One of the things that perked my ears up was that he said was that people won't feel emotion towards others when disaster happens at a distance. True to some extent but not as a generalization... While it doesn't strike me that he has some personality disorder, perhaps there is something else going on. The interview I had listened to was here: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDC0PuUTPFE

He had also given some faulty info about psychopathy in that interview, which matches the misconceptions earlier in the thread (if indeed the author was the original poster). - mostly missing the point of how psychopaths are completely devoid of emotion, describing elements of characteropathy/sociopathy as psychopathy, and just blurring the lines all around.

His book is categorized as a psychological thriller and it does come across as a bit creepy/strange. Here's the description:

Freedom from Conscience -- Melanie’s Journey” is a psychological thriller about a young woman, Melanie Johnson, who is a gifted, yet lonely, young woman entering her last year of high school in a new city. She is like many other "outsider" young people -- her father abandoned her family at a early age, she was bullied in grade school and middle school, and has a difficult time relating to people. What makes her unique is she has buried her emotions so deep that she looks upon humanity merely as an observer -- detached from emotions...perhaps even psychopathic.

Yet in her new school she encounters two students, Nicole and her boyfriend Daniel, as well as a charismatic teacher, Mark Lindberg, who reach out to her in friendship. She soon becomes drawn to both the mysterious Nicole as well as to her new teacher who, she soon discovers, have a rather intense interest in both esoteric ideas and...serial killers. At first she is amused by their unique views on life and society, which she finds a strong connection to, yet as time goes on she becomes suspicious that their interests are not just academic -- they may actually be involved in the rash of killing in the Portland area during the past year.

As her curiosity grows, as well as her emotional ties to her cherished friends, she is introduced to the truth. The reader then witnesses her evolution from an isolated young woman to her transformation into an "angel of death." However, when the ultimate dilemma confronts her just how far will she go to protect the man she has taken a chance on feeling love for?

This story will take you, the reader, on a thrill ride of the mind -- and all along your own journey you will find yourself confronted with questions of what is "right and wrong." You may even question your own assumptions of what is sane in an insane world.