Freedom Trucker Convoy: From Canada to USA to all across the world

Some development on the car rampage, apparently the Winnipeg police didn't indict for attempted murder:
The crown won't indict on attempted murder - even if the police charged him with it. The roads are compacted ice here and the visibility at night with all the exhaust fog is prominent. An easy defence is, "I lost traction and hit the gas instead of the brakes". The bigger problem for the attacker will be explaining why he sped off at a high speed and eluded police for many Km's on our biggest street filled with cars and pedestrians. No one here is sure if this is a message from the PTB, or just someone who snapped from MSM messaging of "Threat" and "Fear" - which is our guess.

His name will come out within a week or two and we'll know more. For the people that got hurt - hopefully they come back to strength and tell their stories. We're all really glad it wasn't worse that it was.
 
Skipping ahead because when I went to page 37, the bottom of my screen had a cookies declaration and the usual setup of the page was gone. Tried other threads and was the same - accepted cookies but still page was wrong - tried to sign in and got the oops X. Also this at bottom:

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Did this site get hacked - what happened? Seems OK now. :huh:
 

The Conservatives have a leadership race coming up. I was pleased to see that the venerable Randy Hillier is mentioned as a candidate by O'Toole. He's been a rock of reason in the past two years.

I think O'Toole has ended his political career by not supporting the Truckers.

And in other news, Canadians are asking the GG to dissolve the government. There's little chance it will happen - but suffice to say, these are a few more indicators that there is something quite different going on in this country.

Since the beginning of the week, the phones at Rideau Hall have been ringing off the hook.

But instead of the usual calls regarding guided tours, questions about honours bestowed annually to chosen Canadians, or requests to meet with Governor General Mary Simon, callers have been asking the Office of the Secretary to the Governor General (OSGG) to dissolve the government.
 
:wow: i exactly had the same thought at almost the same time than you, when i was watching one clip from Canada ... the idea pop'ed in my mind that if i was the PTB i would try to "strangle all these (bastard) truckers by depriving them of fuel"
Not very likely, in my opinion. The refineries for diesel are almost all regional. All gas stations and card lock's that truckers access for fuel get daily replenishment. The cardlock's are unmanned. You just swipe and fill your truck. No one's there to monitor which driver is doing what. All refineries deliver to stations with tanker trucks. Those driver's are "oil" people by nature.
 

The Conservatives have a leadership race coming up. I was pleased to see that the venerable Randy Hillier is mentioned as a candidate by O'Toole. He's been a rock of reason in the past two years.

I think O'Toole has ended his political career by not supporting the Truckers.

And in other news, Canadians are asking the GG to dissolve the government. There's little chance it will happen - but suffice to say, these are a few more indicators that there is something quite different going on in this country.


My apologies, I have read now that O'Toole has already been voted out of leadership by his party, the Conservative Party.
 
This article from the Canadian Press was posted earlier today, it's from Microsoft Start


Snips from the article

Clusters of demonstrators faced off against each other after counter-protesters descended on downtowns in Ottawa, Toronto and Quebec City, with scattered arguments breaking out between groups as police worked to keep yelling matches from escalating further. Hundreds of participants also gathered or prepared to congregate at rallies in cities ranging from Fredericton to Vancouver.

Ottawa police chief Peter Sloly said more than 1,000 vehicles and at least 5,000 protesters jammed the city core Saturday, along with 300-plus counter-demonstrators who oppose a protest that has been rebranded by critics, including a lot of frustrated downtown residents, as an occupation.

This is a siege," he said. "It is something that is different in our democracy than I've ever experienced in my life. ...And we don't have a Police Act that can adequately or effectively address this circumstance."

Earlier in the day, counter-protesters assembled outside Ottawa City Hall across from the truckers encampment in downtown Confederation Park.

"Everyone expects it to be a nice safe event. However, there still is that underlying danger for any visible minorities, any people in the LGBTQ community," Ottawa resident Mackenzie Demers said of the relatively quiet gathering he helped organize ."These occupiers, they are dangerous."

A battle of signs also emerged, with those emblazoned with "Freedom" sparking written retorts such as, "Your freedom means a right to win a Darwin award," and the quintessentially Canadian: “Go home please."

Meanwhile, an Ontario Superior Court judge held off on ruling on a request to order truckers the national capital to stop blowing their horns.

Justice Hugh McLean said Saturday he wants to give all sides in the lawsuit time to fully submit documents, adding that he plans to make a ruling on Monday afternoon.

Ottawa lawyer Paul Champ filed a proposed class-action lawsuit Friday on behalf of thousands of residents seeking millions of dollars in damages and an injunction "prohibiting the continuation of the nuisance." The statement of claim names protest organizers Tamara Lich, Patrick King, Chris Barber and others as defendants.

"Everyone expects it to be a nice safe event. However, there still is that underlying danger for any visible minorities, any people in the LGBTQ community," Ottawa resident Mackenzie Demers said of the relatively quiet gathering he helped organize ."These occupiers, they are dangerous."

A battle of signs also emerged, with those emblazoned with "Freedom" sparking written retorts such as, "Your freedom means a right to win a Darwin award," and the quintessentially Canadian: “Go home please."


The latest on protests against COVID-19 measures in Ottawa and beyond

Camilla will be Queen: Elizabeth II uses Platinum Jubilee message to elevate…
Don't know why the insert of the queen has appeared I certainly did not copy and past.e it and I can't remove it. Also the image below. Just more nonsense.

Protesters opposed to vaccine mandates and other COVID-19 restrictions held rallies in cities across Canada on Saturday in a show of solidarity with a week-long demonstration in the national capital, while the effort to end the newly re-energized protest in Ottawa prepared to shift to the legal arena.

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Clusters of demonstrators faced off against each other after counter-protesters descended on downtowns in Ottawa, Toronto and Quebec City, with scattered arguments breaking out between groups as police worked to keep yelling matches from escalating further. Hundreds of participants also gathered or prepared to congregate at rallies in cities ranging from Fredericton to Vancouver.

Ottawa police chief Peter Sloly said more than 1,000 vehicles and at least 5,000 protesters jammed the city core Saturday, along with 300-plus counter-demonstrators who oppose a protest that has been rebranded by critics, including a lot of frustrated downtown residents, as an occupation.

Sloly, however, had a different term in mind when he addressed a hastily called meeting of the city's Police Services Board late Saturday afternoon.

"This is a siege," he said. "It is something that is different in our democracy than I've ever experienced in my life. ...And we don't have a Police Act that can adequately or effectively address this circumstance."

At midday Saturday, a wash of demonstrators mingled near open fires on the snow-plastered lawn in front of West Block, home to the House of Commons. Participants roasted hotdogs and doled out baked goods under tarps warmed by portable heaters, while two men on horseback traipsed through the town, one carrying a flag in support of former U.S. president Donald Trump.

But hours later when darkness fell, chaos reigned just south of Parliament Hill.

Northbound streets were clogged with vehicles, including many big rigs, as far as the eye could see. Few if any police were visible except for the few blocks immediately south of Parliament Hill. An open fire burned in one intersection, and a fast food sandwich restaurant was jammed full of maskless patrons. Meanwhile, protesting truckers doled out hot food at a pop-up food table in the middle of another intersection.

Earlier in the day, counter-protesters assembled outside Ottawa City Hall across from the truckers encampment in downtown Confederation Park.

"Everyone expects it to be a nice safe event. However, there still is that underlying danger for any visible minorities, any people in the LGBTQ community," Ottawa resident Mackenzie Demers said of the relatively quiet gathering he helped organize ."These occupiers, they are dangerous."

A battle of signs also emerged, with those emblazoned with "Freedom" sparking written retorts such as, "Your freedom means a right to win a Darwin award," and the quintessentially Canadian: “Go home please."

Meanwhile, an Ontario Superior Court judge held off on ruling on a request to order truckers the national capital to stop blowing their horns.

Justice Hugh McLean said Saturday he wants to give all sides in the lawsuit time to fully submit documents, adding that he plans to make a ruling on Monday afternoon.

Ottawa lawyer Paul Champ filed a proposed class-action lawsuit Friday on behalf of thousands of residents seeking millions of dollars in damages and an injunction "prohibiting the continuation of the nuisance." The statement of claim names protest organizers Tamara Lich, Patrick King, Chris Barber and others as defendants.

All police were on duty in the capital, mainly downtown, Sloly said, adding that the police force was never designed to deal with a "city under siege" and that officers on duty for nearly two weeks straight are buckling under the strain: "We do need more help."

More than 20 highway ramps and roads were to be shut down throughout the day, Ottawa police said, as horns blared along streets clogged with banner-flying trucks and flag-festooned cars below Parliament Hill following a week of blocked streets and racial taunts from aggressive participants.

In Toronto, several hundred protesters gathered on the south side of the Ontario legislature, chanting "liberté" overtop reggae that issued from loudspeakers and sporting placards that read, “Freedom = no mandates” and “let love guide you, not fear."

Nearby, a couple hundred health-care workers and supporters marched from the University of Toronto to hospital row just south of the legislature. Their inked messages included, “free-dumb” and “N95 masks for all.”

Supporter Lesley Stoch said no one likes cancelling family visits and upending daily routines.

"But we do it for the greater good, we do it for the people we've lost, and we do it for our stretched-thin health-care system, which we rely on,” she said. “I think it's really important to be here and speak up against the misinformation and the hate."

Bill Fehr, a meat-processing plant owner at the legislature to protest pandemic measures, tapped into a strain of national pride while arguing that government rules encroach on the rights of unvaccinated workers.

“Those are a lot of people, patriots that have lost their jobs because they stood their ground. And that is unacceptable in this time and age. We, the common people, will prevail," he told the Queen's Park crowd through a microphone.

"Enough of the lockdowns. Enough of the mandates. Enough of running our lives for the last two years,” said Leszek Lasinski in an interview, claiming vaccination has “got us nowhere.”

Demonstrators also gathered in Fredericton, Quebec City, Winnipeg, Regina, Edmonton, Vancouver, Victoria and the U.S. border crossing in Coutts, Alta.

Police forces in those cities say they have learned lessons from Ottawa's predicament and developed strategies designed to protect key infrastructure, such as vital traffic corridors and hospitals, and also prevent possible violence.

Those tactics have involved significantly boosting the presence of police officers at protest sites, blocking off key access routes and stepping up enforcement of traffic regulations and bylaws on excessive noise and other issues.

In Ottawa, Sloly said 250 RCMP officers would be deployed to the city, up sharply from the 60 that were previously expected.

Police in Winnipeg, meanwhile, laid charges against a 42-year-old Manitoba man who allegedly drove his vehicle into the group of "freedom convoy" protesters gathered in that city.

They said the incident took place just before 10 p.m. on Friday evening and resulted in three men being treated at the scene for minor injuries, while a fourth man was taken to hospital and released. The accused is facing multiple charges including assault with a weapon and dangerous operation of a conveyance.

NDP Leader Jagmeet Singh said protesters who have dug in for the long haul in downtown Ottawa and elsewhere are symbols of deep anger simmering through the country.

At a news conference, he called the trucker convoys “completely misdirected” in their actions, but noted that many people nationwide are feeling angry, worried and unsure of how the country will get out of the COVID-19 pandemic.

Well from all the live streams I have seen, I see a whole raft of peace loving freedom fighters, maskless. Laughing loving hugging and sharing, something I have not seen these past two years, it is a sight to behold.
 
Even though there is a separate forum thread dedicated to Jordan Peterson, this discussion fits this thread.
Jordan is conversing with Dr. Julie Ponesse.
She has a PhD in Philosophy (Western, 2008) with areas of specialization in ethics and ancient philosophy.

She has a Masters in Philosophy with Collaborative Specialization in Bioethics from the University of Toronto and a Diploma in Ethics from the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

Dr. Ponesse has published in the areas of ancient philosophy, ethical theory, and applied ethics, and has taught at universities in Canada and the US for 20 years.Dr. Julie Ponesse has a PhD in Philosophy (Western, 2008) with areas of specialization in ethics and ancient philosophy.

She has a Masters in Philosophy with Collaborative Specialization in Bioethics from the University of Toronto and a Diploma in Ethics from the Kennedy Institute of Ethics at Georgetown University.

Dr. Ponesse has published in the areas of ancient philosophy, ethical theory, and applied ethics, and has taught at universities in Canada and the US for 20 years.

She was fired for refusing to be injected.

A highly enjoyable, articulate and intelligent discussion between two highly educated Canadians.
 
I am amazed by the huge numbers of people speaking out about this. I had no idea there were so many people all over the world who are on the same page as me. It gives me chills and I don't feel so alone anymore. People are awesome.

Did you happen to attend the block party in Edmonton? I watched a live FB feed for a awhile this afternoon. It looked pretty busy!
 
Some people of a different video mentioned that there was more people then last week travelling to Edmonton.
That would make sense really, It would be easier for supporters, from Edmonton for example, to support the Truckers by driving 6 hours from Edmonton to Milk River, then driving 5 days to Ottawa! More people available to make the trip, so more people doing it!
 
Looks like a diverse crowd going to the Canberra on the Australian convoy.

On a separate topic, the different flags to do with this country is of note: lots of Red Ensign, First Australian and Southern Cross flags together. I heard the Red Ensign is the people’s flag and the Blue Ensign that’s more known, is the government one. At least the early ANZAC pictures of WW1 use red more than blue. Apparently it’s use went away when Australia accepted military occupation for war debts. That’s one story going around at least. The First Australian one is a symbol for the original people’s sovereignty an opposition to those so-called authorities that have always sought to claim right over them. The Southern Cross flag, has become a symbol of freedom over tyranny since the Eureka Rebellion where miners stood up to the British, imposing unreasonable fees and regulations on them. But if you really want to know what they mean, it’s clearly all about racism and misogyny, well so our trusted sources from major media outlets say.

 
I can't remember the complete flow of this conversation so I'm doing the best I can.

I went to the smoke shop earlier today to get some tobacco. I've known the girls who work there for years. One of the employees was there and we usually just chat a bit. i got my stuff and while I was opening the pack I just asked if she knew about the convoy. She had but was not interested in it saying that all the truckers were racists. I then said that that 'angle' was coming from the anti-hate groups who were paid by government and corporate funding to divert from the real meaning. She said that she had her sources too. I said that the racism wasn't the point of the convoy at all. She asked what was? I said that it was about the right to choose. She then said that she would have no problem if someone else made all her decisions for her. I eased into my response asking if that isn't what she already had? Yep, she retorted. She was getting pretty mad at this point. I can't remember this portion but I think I mentioned something about 'making choices' again and she made a final reply that she should be able to make her choice about wanting an abortion or not alluding that the truckers were the type of people that prevent that choice. Her energy was hot and spiky at this point so I just ended it with an 'ok' and mentioned I had to do some other shopping.

I couldn't see this before but I can now; how the anti-hate groups are doing their work and the effect it's having. She wasn't like this before. I don't know if she was just having a bad day but this was a different kind of angry.

I have a 'part II" to this story, from today, with the same person as I went to get some Raw rolling papers.

As we were just chatting about normal stuff, a short convoy of maybe 10-12 trucks and one big rig at the end appeared rolling slowly down the downtown street honking their horns. I could feel 'a pull' to go out and watch them and give a wave but I didn't want to be rude and just walk out. She kept talking but I don't remember what she said. My attention was elsewhere. Once they had passed I said that the convoy was good to see, thinking that that wouldn't happen here. I knew it was a 'hot button' topic and that I probably shouldn't have said anything but I did anyway. Well, yep, off she went and used the same energy I mentioned (only I'm going to call it 'dominance energy' now). I don't want to bother with the majority of a conversation I can't recall, and it wasn't important anyway. But, the one point she made was. She asked me if I thought it was a right or a privilege to be able to go into a store. The way she worded the question was a bit confusing so I said it was a 'right'. With a resounding 'no' she made it clear that it was a privilege. I then asked her to re-ask the question, just to make sure I understood it. She repeated it and again I said 'right', although I did not know why I said that since I would have agreed with 'privilege'. Her view was that people are required to prove that they can enter a store and that it is a privilege to do so, or something like that. I didn't quite follow her dialogue and my memory is a bit messy. She did most of the talking after that and I was saved by another customer walking in. I left to deal with a spiky, vibrating solar plexus. As I was heading back to the car, I thought about the conversation and really started to focus on 'right vs. privilege'.

After rolling this around for awhile, I came to the conclusion that entering a store as being my 'right' to do so, gives me the choice to enter it or not. The 'privilege' of entering a store is decided by someone else. I just checked the definition:

Privilege:
1: a right or benefit that is given to some people and not to others
2: a special opportunity to do something that makes you proud
3: somewhat formal: the advantage that wealthy and powerful people have over other people in a society

I had never really thought about this difference and I realized that the PTB sees 'privileges' and not 'rights'. The authoritarian mindset adheres to 'privilege'. 'The Convoy' mindset does not.

As 'robotic' and radicalized as she is, she's, oddly, teaching me some pretty basic stuff that I only knew about in theory. NOW it's real to me because I can see it being illustrated on a 'bigger scale'.
 
:wow: i exactly had the same thought at almost the same time than you, when i was watching one clip from Canada ... the idea pop'ed in my mind that if i was the PTB i would try to "strangle all these (bastard) truckers by depriving them of fuel"
So ... The problem is that there are a large number of trucks not moving in downtown urban areas ... and the solution is to withhold the fuel they need to run?
 
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