Something tells me that Klaus isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer either.
Freedom Trucker Convoy: From Canada to USA to all across the world
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imnottheone
The Force is Strong With This One
HI I'm mostly a lurker here, but I really value the people on this forum's opinions and those opinions have directed me in my life many times.
I am Canadian, un jabbed, off grid, way up North, far away from Ottawa, or any town. I'm just surviving, rural-style, hardly sustainably but that is the goal.
I am feeling somewhat pulled to go to Ottawa. I could pull it off, financially just barely, and rely on others to care for my animals. I'm wondering what you fine people think. I have a counter voice that makes me think this is somewhat orchestrated by TP-that think-they-are, and I should keep my head down and just keep surviving. But, my people might need me! Feeling a bit torn. Sorry for asking, I don't get much research time on the internet and this is all very strange indeed.
I am Canadian, un jabbed, off grid, way up North, far away from Ottawa, or any town. I'm just surviving, rural-style, hardly sustainably but that is the goal.
I am feeling somewhat pulled to go to Ottawa. I could pull it off, financially just barely, and rely on others to care for my animals. I'm wondering what you fine people think. I have a counter voice that makes me think this is somewhat orchestrated by TP-that think-they-are, and I should keep my head down and just keep surviving. But, my people might need me! Feeling a bit torn. Sorry for asking, I don't get much research time on the internet and this is all very strange indeed.
Apparently the Metis woman who is one of the convoy leaders has been arrested:
"BREAKING: Freedom Convoy organizer Tamara Lich arrested MORE: https://rebelne.ws/3JDPmZQ"
"BREAKING: Freedom Convoy organizer Tamara Lich arrested MORE: https://rebelne.ws/3JDPmZQ"
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
Well, these are strange times, and I'm sure the Forum will welcome your humility. I sure do, by the way, welcome!
Anyways, I feel this is really a question that you must consider yourself. The situation has intensified today (Thursday afternoon and evening) with more direct police action and large squad deployments, multiple arrests including leaders (mostly for mischief accusations, locked up hours to maybe a few days), they tried towing a truck or two and mostly failed, but some of the outlying truckers felt over-threatened and left, others relocated to the main group and still intend to hold the line.
You have to realize the likelihood of conflict escalation is going way up into the weekend. I skipped through some livestreams a couple hours ago and the situation could already have changed dramatically, at any time. But the way Trudeau behaves, I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking ahead to a bigger audience to escalate his show of force. It might be an interesting time to witness, but certainly on the higher end of the risk-benefit spectrum and in opposition to strategic enclosure. Not that I respect mine, anyways - big data knows who we are, VPN or not. So even though I still speak up online, I'd have to consider going to Ottawa differently - putting yourself on an entirely different level of risk.
What is it that you'd hope to achieve by going there? I wouldn't think it would be rational to expect anything special from .gov. Most on this board would also remind you that our expectations do not fit in the service-to-others orientation. So I'm sure if the intention was to be of service, meeting people, providing support in some way, and you felt genuinely called to go, I'd say go on right ahead - but your intention does not seem that clear to me, and you have charges that might cause trouble to others if you were to leave indeterminately - now that police make arrests more offensively. That would be my primary matter of reflection. Would going there solve more problems that it caused in the aggregate. Is there somewhere more local where you could invest your time and energy?
After all, I'd like to praise the lifestyle that you are describing. By being self-sufficient, or even simply by working towards that goal, you are withdrawing power from the centralized authorities, you are already doing an important part, being a settler on the edge of decentralization. I respect that. A step on the path of the Obyvatel. So I'd much rather know that you were working to have more stable preps, to sustain yourself with decency, than putting yourself at risk going into the heat of it.
In the end, it's really for you to consider. But if you choose to go, don't expect that your going there will change anything. There should be cool people to meet, tho!
The following may make the decision for you - this is duplicate content I posted in the Coronavirus thread:
More from the blog referenced in previous post (my bold):
Last night or early this morning my spideys came to me and told me that what is occurring may seem like a civil war…between the sentients and the vaxxxzed. But that’s an illusion. The war is between the sentients and the Global Technocrats–who control the national political puppet assets and the criminally corrupted media. Pundits may try to pass it off as a civil war but sentients must keep our eyes open to the bigger picture and constantly refer back to the Lockstep that is going on in Australia, New Zealand and the UK amongst other countries. That is why something I saw on Twitter last night is of signal importance. The Resistance is calling for a global strike for seven days, starting on February 21st, 2022. That’s next Monday.
Global Strike Called to end Global Tyranny H/T FreakedOut
I have heard that truckers worldwide will be going on strike soon but am not sure whether the two are connected. Yes, folks, this will take at the very least a global strike that could last for weeks or months to bring the perps to heal. So keep your eyes out for more news about this. In the meantime a few more important links sent to me this morning and then I will sign off:. [Go to link]
AND
Just an Hour or so ago the Trucker Convoy gave a Press Conference please see link below to watch
LIVE: Trucker Convoy Organizers Hold Press Conference
Greencrow concludes: Yes folks, we are at war now. This coming weekend will be the first major battle of that war. In the video above the former police and military representatives request all Canadians try to come to Ottawa to stand on guard for our Nation in its direst moment in history. Needless to say I echo this request if you are in the Ontario vicinity. I will be standing on guard up here in the Malahat and will be providing war correspondent reports/updates as they occur. I can rely on my fellow warrior sources and two bureau chiefs: RAH and FreakedOut to hold the fort alongside me as this weekend progresses. Updates [including any more “Jabarooo moments”] will be posted at the top of this post throughout the day. Stay tuned and:
HOLD THE LINE
Still more - in the greencrow comments:
On another note, the Turvert may be getting ready to make his next move against the Ottawa Rally Patriots:
URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL SUPPORTERS
This important message is being talked about on the LIVE YouTube feed I’m watching right now.
On another note, the Turvert may be getting ready to make his next move against the Ottawa Rally Patriots:
URGENT MESSAGE TO ALL SUPPORTERS
This important message is being talked about on the LIVE YouTube feed I’m watching right now.
Last but not least from the greencrow blog comments:
I don’t know if you know about Harry Vox. But here he is laying it down!
The man is blunt. Although that’s an understatement. There has to be a new word invented for him.
They Deserve The Death Penalty For Crimes Against Humanity - Harry Vox
Note: this is from Sept 2021 so keep that in mind - things have changed considerably since then.
I don’t know if you know about Harry Vox. But here he is laying it down!
The man is blunt. Although that’s an understatement. There has to be a new word invented for him.
They Deserve The Death Penalty For Crimes Against Humanity - Harry Vox
Note: this is from Sept 2021 so keep that in mind - things have changed considerably since then.
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Do you have a truck? If not.., then it's a different kind of question for you.
Personally, I can make equal arguments for and against. -Which basically makes my post here useless, except to bring up things to consider which may spark a decision for you...
- Civil disobedience works, and it's really the only thing which can work. The state has a monopoly on violence.
- If you have no truck, then it wouldn't be any different than any other civilian visiting the capitol. It might be nice to offer support, (is it illegal to buy coffee for guys in trucks? It may be! It depends on how vigorously the police choose to interpret their new powers.)
- Being another person to be seen in a crowd does matter. If ten thousand other people all make the same decision, then a large crowd will make a psychological impact. It would be a shame if you and ten thousand people all say, "Nah." What if that was the difference between winning and losing all the marbles?? Oh my!
- It does sound like the risk is increasing, and probably will continue to do so until things resolve. Canadian authoritarianism is not to be underestimated. (Nobody can do unconscionable things and then completely stonewall citizens quite like Canadian officials. The very thing which makes them polite and conflict-shy makes it easy for them to simply never answer their phones again. It's a revoltingly efficient means of getting away with all manner of crime. At least Americans like to fight, so you'll always know who and which department screwed you over. If people start to disappear in the night, I have a sneaking suspicion that Canadians will discover themselves to be exceptionally well suited for such a grim job).
- If you do show up and shake hands with a trucker, you can be sure your face will be recorded and that there will be a file created somewhere. Remember how Jan 6 worked out for people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
- However, first hand experience is valuable in life, and you might make non-linear connections which may be important in ways nobody could predict.
- If you travel with the right intentions and situational awareness, at the moment, I don't see that your visiting should present an unreasonable risk. That could change, however, and fast.
Unless it would...
If there is something or someone important for you to connect with in Ottawa, your instincts will know. You might meditate on the question and see what comes up.
That last is really the best I have to offer. I apologize for not being able to provide a more solid answer. (Free Will is a hard mistress!)
It's up to you!
Good luck deciding.
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
@imnottheone maybe this stream would be interesting to you, although I don't know how much data you have. It's a new livestream source I was checking out, he seems very spontaneous and energetic, the stream just ended but just had tons of street interviews between midnight and 3 - I think it captures the current mood very well!
(for instance this timestamp, but the whole 3 hours is filled with great energy)
(for instance this timestamp, but the whole 3 hours is filled with great energy)
SOTTREADER
The Living Force
Apparently the police have set up a perimeter which means protestors can't get to the truckers. Over 100 checkpoints in place.
It looks to me like there will be mass arrests and a few people will be made examples of. I think Trudeau is banking on the majority kind of not being animated enough to do anything about it.
It looks to me like there will be mass arrests and a few people will be made examples of. I think Trudeau is banking on the majority kind of not being animated enough to do anything about it.
United Gnosis
Jedi Council Member
I'd consider having contacts on the ground, too:
Also :
'Legal standard not met': Two court challenges filed over Trudeau's use of Emergencies Act
Justin Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act 'has set a dangerous precedent,' the non-partisan Canadian Constitution Foundation said
'Legal standard not met': Two court challenges filed over Trudeau's use of Emergencies Act
Justin Trudeau's use of the Emergencies Act 'has set a dangerous precedent,' the non-partisan Canadian Constitution Foundation said
Two separate legal challenges were filed on Thursday against the federal Liberal government’s invocation of the Emergencies Act by civil rights organizations accusing Prime Minister Justin Trudeau of setting a dangerous precedent by invoking the act for reasons they say fall far short of the necessary legal thresholds.
“The government emergency declaration is unprecedented and seriously infringes the charter rights of Canadians,” said Noa Mendelsohn Aviv, executive director of the Canadian Civil Liberties Association (CCLA) in a Thursday afternoon press conference.
“The government brought in an extreme measure that should be reserved for national emergencies, a legal standard that has not been met.”
Emergency powers, she said, cannot and must not be normalized in Canadian society.
Joining the CCLA in challenging the government was the Canadian Constitution Foundation (CCF).
“The federal government has invoked the Emergencies Act as a matter of political convenience,” said CCF Litigation Director Christine Van Geyn in a press release announcing the foundation’s legal challenge.
“This is illegal and violates the rule of law, and that’s why we are challenging the government in court.”
The prime minister invoked the Emergencies Act on Monday, insisting it was necessary to bring an end to protests, initially provoked by the federal government imposing vaccine mandates on cross-border truckers, that have snarled downtown Ottawa and interfered with Canada–U.S. border crossings. Freedom Convoy supporters have parked an array of transport trucks, heavy equipment and passenger vehicles in front of Parliament Hill and throughout the Ottawa city centre.
That action was soon followed by convoy-affiliated blockades at several Canadian border crossings, starting near Coutts, Alta., two weeks ago and spreading elsewhere — most notably a days-long blockade at the Ambassador Bridge, a vital trade link between Canada and the United States.
Protesters in downtown Ottawa awoke Thursday morning to find crews erecting fencing around Parliament Hill and throughout downtown — part of efforts, interim Ottawa Police Chief Steve Bell said, to establish a secure zone encompassing nearly the entirety of downtown Ottawa.
Police began arresting some protestors after 5 p.m., including Freedom Convoy organizer Chris Barber, who was handcuffed and led away surrounded by police while crowds shouted their disapproval.
At the same time, police closed exits on Highway 417 through the city’s core.
Nearly 100 police-manned checkpoints will control access into the secure zone, barring those with no lawful purpose from entering the area.
The prime minister on Thursday defended his use of the Emergencies Act and described it as a measure of last resort. However there have been questions raised by security experts as to why the government needed to invoke the act, considering police managed to largely clear the border blockades before the emergency measures came into effect.
CCLA Criminal Justice Director Abby Deshman said legislation tabled in the house don’t align with the prime minister’s assurances the new powers will be “geographically targeted” and “limited.”
“The actual written text of these orders is not limited to specific cities, it’s not limited to specific provinces, it applies across the entire country to every single Canadian,” she said.
“They are not geographically limited, they do not target specific protests, they apply universally across the country.”
The new police chief resigned after 2 days.
thenationaltelegraph.com
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Although some truckers and Freedom Convoy supporters may see police as an obstacle to their free speech, as the government has weaponized the police against the freedom protest in Ottawa, many police officers are not on board with the government’s authoritarian agenda.
A week ago had sources inside the Ottawa police informed The National Telegraph that a Staff Sergeant had resigned likely due to the aggressive tactics the municipal government wanted them to employ against peaceful protesters.
Not long after Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly resigned, with the implication that he too did not want to be involved in the crackdown against protesters seeking to negotiate with the federal government.
Today the former Waterloo Police Chief Matt Torigian who was appointed as the interim Ottawa Police Chief to replaced Sloly resigned having only been on the job for two days.
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Torigian’s issue obviously has nothing to do with a lack of police resources to break up the protest, since the federal and municipal governments were giving him the tools and power to do so, his issue is the overbearing force the government wants him to use against the peaceful protesters.
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Torigian is basically calling the councilors nuts, and it isn’t hard to see why he would think that based on last night’s city council meeting.
An anonymous RCMP officer released a letter speaking on behalf of other officers explaining the moral issues officers have with suppressing the Freedom Convoy protest and the frustrations officers are feeling towards government officials and the legacy media.
Although there are no mass resignations or walk-outs of police officers due to the government’s treatment of the Freedom Convloy truckers and supporters, there is growing frustration among the men and women in blue against the authoritarian actions of the federal government and Ottawa city council.
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy - The National Telegraph
Although some truckers and Freedom Convoy supporters may see police as an obstacle to their free speech, as the government has weaponized the police against the freedom protest in Ottawa, many police officers are not on board with the government’s authoritarian agenda.
thenationaltelegraph.com
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Although some truckers and Freedom Convoy supporters may see police as an obstacle to their free speech, as the government has weaponized the police against the freedom protest in Ottawa, many police officers are not on board with the government’s authoritarian agenda.
A week ago had sources inside the Ottawa police informed The National Telegraph that a Staff Sergeant had resigned likely due to the aggressive tactics the municipal government wanted them to employ against peaceful protesters.
Not long after Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly resigned, with the implication that he too did not want to be involved in the crackdown against protesters seeking to negotiate with the federal government.
Today the former Waterloo Police Chief Matt Torigian who was appointed as the interim Ottawa Police Chief to replaced Sloly resigned having only been on the job for two days.
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Torigian stated in his resignation letter that:
There was clearly no lack of aggression from members of the Ottawa city council when it came to dealing with protesters, which indicates that Torigian saw the council as the main obstacle to maintaining order and improving the reputation of the Ottawa Police Service.
Torigian’s issue obviously has nothing to do with a lack of police resources to break up the protest, since the federal and municipal governments were giving him the tools and power to do so, his issue is the overbearing force the government wants him to use against the peaceful protesters.
Police Disgusted With Government Overreach Against The Freedom Convoy — The National Telegraph
Torigian is basically calling the councilors nuts, and it isn’t hard to see why he would think that based on last night’s city council meeting.
Even after Torigian resigned there was another police officer who spoke out even more directly against the government’s treatment of peaceful protesters.
An anonymous RCMP officer released a letter speaking on behalf of other officers explaining the moral issues officers have with suppressing the Freedom Convoy protest and the frustrations officers are feeling towards government officials and the legacy media.
The officer expresses regret for not being able to speak out against the government’s actions in public out of fear of being targeted for termination despite their perspective on this situation being in line with the Canadian Charter.For anyone curious about the mind set of most Police officers, this leaked message from an #RCMP officer speaks volumes.
Back our men and women in blue. #TruckersForFreedom #FreedomConvoyCanada
pic.twitter.com/90MK2o6QWH
— That "Unacceptable" Guy ~HONK~ (@BJdichter) February 17, 2022
Although there are no mass resignations or walk-outs of police officers due to the government’s treatment of the Freedom Convloy truckers and supporters, there is growing frustration among the men and women in blue against the authoritarian actions of the federal government and Ottawa city council.
Hi_Henry
The Living Force
So Turdo's father apparently wasn't very enthused to join in fighting for Democracy against the Fascist Axis during WW II.
Sort of like these people,
Then we have this,
Canada apologizes for refusing Jewish refugees – DW – 11/08/2018
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has apologized for Canada's refusal to allow Jewish refugees to seek asylum before World War II. More than 900 German Jews set sail for the Americas to escape Nazi persecution in 1939.
www.dw.com
The following article is really funny because in some ways it describes Turdo Junior. How Canada was run by the father in some way resembles how USSR was run.
David Frum: The disastrous legacy of Pierre Trudeau
Author and columnist David Frum participated Tuesday in one of the Royal Ontario Museum’s series of “history wars” debates, on the resolution, “Pierre Trudeau wa…
Now I see why Turdo was so highly valued so as to be invited into the Schwab Davos Club. He has the right DNA.
More termites in Ottawa
