Getting Out: Your Guide to Leaving America - Tue, 24 Oct 2006

...I'm sure the author is happy for the traffic you directed towards him. Will be interesting to see how much press this gets. He by no means is the first to publish a detailed book on the subject within the past 30 years.

Like I have been personally saying for the past five years, get out while you still can...
 
Perhaps USA is the best place to get the message (of truth) out to
the world so that if this place were to become the place of armageddon,
then perhaps we who are here as 'beacons of light', might be able to
fullfill our own lesson profiles as we are destined to do? Do you believe
that the USA will be alone in suffering the consequences of whatever is
to come and that other places in the world will not be affected?

Didn't the C's say, that it does not matter WHERE you are?

But it IS a bit curious that the C's have "moved" Laura around several
times and in doing so may have been neccessary for her to fulfill her
lesson profile? Was this "moving" done so as to protect her from
impending distasters because of her locators?

Maybe it was, as in the days of Noah, she moved to France in order to
avoid the perils of the impending disasters to come in USA?
 
Alone in suffering - NO! Degree of suffering - YES!

This is all academic for me as I've already left following my own personal destiny to the locale I now reside. I would not be WHO I am today if I did not follow my destiny to WHERE I am today.

YMMV.
 
I, for one, do not have the means to be able to pick up and leave the U.S. Yes, I would love to be able to leave. But as dant stated, "it does not matter WHERE you are." What does matter is WHO you are, which is the completion of the sentence that the C's said.

So, since I am unable to move, all I can hope for is to be of help to any of those who may require it in the days/years to come, however that may be.
 
Lynne said:
I, for one, do not have the means to be able to pick up and leave the U.S. Yes, I would love to be able to leave. But as dant stated, "it does not matter WHERE you are." What does matter is WHO you are, which is the completion of the sentence that the C's said.

So, since I am unable to move, all I can hope for is to be of help to any of those who may require it in the days/years to come, however that may be.
Well, if you don't have the means now Lynne you might in the near future. You can always get the book just in case. The above Cs maxim is certainly true, as are the lessons. But I suppose life can always provide the unexpected opportunities if we are not too invested in one scenario. You just never know...

G.
 
I was able to "Get Out" in late '02, before the Iraq War and moved my young family to Europe. I still found it very difficult to stay out of reach of the govt. I was sent letters from homeland security with veiled threats stating as a citizen I was required to provide them with all manner of details of any bank accounts etc I had opened in my new host country due to the newly adopted Patriot Act (1st one) or else. Making a good salary with a local job position (not an ex-pat assignment) I still had to pay US taxes on top of my already high foreign taxes. This was devastating financially because salaries overseas are typically less competitive for a post-grad than in the States anyway, and further while my colleagues were unburdened by student loans thanks to more socialist programs over there I was dragging a second house payment around owed to the Dept of Ed. [Thank the heavens the US currency dropped out or I'd have been homeless]. My job required frequent travel and as my passport quickly filled with stamps and stickers it became more and more difficult to get through customs, even into the US itself. (Afterall, what business does a young man have living, working and travelling abroad when there's such an abundance of good manufacturing jobs available in ... err... somewhere around here...)

At first, people we met were stunned we were there. [We avoided urban areas to settle down deep in the rural farmland]. The consensus at first was hatred for the US govt/policy although Americans themselves were perceived as generous, friendly and a bit obnoxious/loud. Once the war started, attitudes started to change. It went from 'Oh you poor Americans, you just arent conscious of how your country is impacting the rest of the world' to 'How irresponsible you are that you arent aware...'. Our home would be plastered with posters of the American flag - with ballistic missiles leaving while smoke trails across a red sky for stripes and those nuclear molecule symbols in place of the stars... as though Shock and Awe was somehow my idea. Once on business in Germany, I was waiting for a train doing my best to read thru the Tageskarte and got roughed up by a punk who's only English seemed to be "F*** YOU JOHNNY!" just for standing there apparently looking too American. Its hard to do the lie "yeah, err, I'm from Canada" when you're eating a knuckle sandwich. :O

Meanwhile, despite being immersed in a very rich, 360 degree world of news and opinion of a truely free press (having papers available from France, Germany, Lebanon, UK, wherever on my daily train commute) - I was shocked to find myself shunned by my own family and friends at home. "How can you possibly know anything about whats going on in the US - you live in Europe now". [You wouldnt believe the stupid questions you have to put up with .. like, God do they even have toothpaste over there? Although I suppose that's understandable when every time I flew home I packed a full suitcase of just peanut butter and French's mustard... LOL "What do you mean you cant buy French's mustard in France?" Oy...] Having the blinders off was truely enlightening though. The best way to describe it is like this - it struck me that every morning I knew what the weather would be in Madagascar. Never been there, didnt want to go there, wasnt anywhere near it, but at least I knew it existed.... everyday. If you live in the US currently, tell me right now what the weather in Alberta will be today. (Do you even know where Alberta is?) Watch the weather in the US and they grey out Canada and Mexico from the map! Its as though no other place matters - and that same thing applies to all types of news in the States. In fact, I was also struck by the fact that the only geography I knew of places that didnt have there own villa at Disneyland were those countries we had recently cruise missled. Sad but true.

Oh, and dont expect to take comfort in other Americans who have gotten out either. Maybe this is just personal experience and you'll have it different - but most others we met 'out there' were nothing short of flipping nuts. Especially the ex-pat wives suffering extreme cabin fever who will pick up on your accent from across the shopping center and come running like a Jim Henson muppet (doing the Grover 'near!... far!' arms waving bit) "Oh My Goodness, I'm from Alabama!!! Where are y'all from?" *look left* *look right* "Err... Canada - buh bye". Best way to avoid that one is to learn and use the local language. Not only is it very polite and often helpful (nothing worse than having your 4 yr old answer the door for you to see what the cops want), but its almost manditory. You'll find that any sort of written instructions on anything purposely leaves out an English translation. You can try to boil a pot of mac and cheese in Spain or assemble an electric lawnmower in Poland and find instructions in Gypsie Romansche and Thai... yet no English. I travelled to Finland quite a lot and took about 8 months of language classes. Initially, every Finn under 65 I met spoke perfect unbroken English. As I started to use the language some - suddenly nobody could help me in English anymore. (After a shocked 'what manner of a miracle is this - Finnish with an American accent' expression). Same thing happened in other countries.... Except in France, where I got more of a 'Please discontinue butchering the beautiful French language with your gutteral prattle - I suppose I'll help you in English ... *f--'ing johnny...*'. ;)

Anyways, the point is - Getting Out is only half the battle. Staying Out is also rather difficult as it will seem that all the cards are stacked against you. To end on a positive note - I wouldnt have done it any other way. Its definitely worth the adventure if you have the stomach for it.
 
I really find that post informative and interesting, 1/2 Hawk.
I hope that it's become much easier on you and your family over time.
It sure does sound like quite the adventure!....:-)))

Lisa
 
Thanks! Just wanted to put it out there not to be overly consumed with the desire to get out, but to also be aware of what life might be like afterwards. In the end, I was caught up in corporate layoffs and dumped unceremoniously back in the States just over a year ago with nothing but six suitcases, two hungry kids and a stack of pending court papers from the IRS. Now finding that fresh opportunities to move back abroad are few and far between :( but, we've got our eyes open.

I mean, not only are US companies less willing to pay for you to move abroad and foreign companies less likely to hire you over local talent anymore - but where is it truely safe to move anyhow? You'll rarely see a train station in Switzerland that doesnt have a small travel agent located in it. Flipping thru the specials there is a totally surreal experience as an American. Come horseback riding in Libya! Enjoy the nightlife in gorgeous Lebanon! Your safari adventure starts with a three night stay in beautiful downtown Darfur! Get real - I wouldnt be caught dead in any of those places for fear of being caught and dying. Where can you travel safely as an American these days? South America? The Middle East? Southeast Asia? Sure Canada is fun if youre 19 and live in Detroit, but my goodness. All I see people round here do for vacation anymore is take religious excursions to Israel to see how bad they have it over there. To me, this is the legacy the current Administration has left for my children... The inability to expand their conscious awareness of all manner of other human cultures.
 
As for a safe haven, I was thinking about this rather flippantly, but here's my thoughts:

1) Make $1,000,000
2) Buy a high pressure "bubble" home
3) Find any "spot" in international waters, preferrably one with the lowest depths and
cannot be claimed by any country.
4) Anchor "bubble" home there.
5) Build or buy magnetic wave generators for "free" power needed to power
home, and make sure all electronics are of low power consumption. Computer/communications
are satelite based. If you want free heat, locate close to a geothermal vent and 'pipe' source
to heat exchanger
6) Food source is provided from Ocean, anything that is eddible.

I am assuming that this is the 'last frontier' left on the planet...
 
Wow, that sounds cheery..LOL.
Now..to make a cool million.....
And then, buy a bubble home. Where does one find a bubble home?

Those who hate/allergic to fish are not going to be too pleased...:-)
Thorn would starve!!
 
Five years is the true test of an expat. If you can make it that long, then you can probably stay indefinitely.

Personally, I have had very little problems being from the States in the Southern Cone. For the majority of the people in the region who have not traveled or lived in a cosmopolitan area, I am uncategorizeable as I am an ethnic and can play up or play down my ancestry or US citizen status depending on the situation. A US passport is also a big plus (no visas needed or easy to get visas) when traveling in this part of the world.

About finances, if you can downsize your income expectations and live within the standards of an average middle or upper mid class person for the region, you can live a good, low-profile life below the radar of the authorities from most jurisdictions including the USA. This is especially easy to pull off if you have a modest nest egg to get started. SO YES, do not do this unless you are debt free and have a proven track record of handling your personal finances well.

And about growing apart in perceptions from the folks back in the US, SO WHAT! I really don't give a damm about what they think and I despise how they think. When I visit I avoid deep discussions and everything remains hunky dory.

YMMV.
 
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