Ghandi a evil racist similarly to the Dalai Lama."Tibet Paradise" Myth. M.Teresa

Mal7 said:
Some of the British philosopher William Godwin’s (1756-1836) ideas also fit well with the idea of civil disobedience. Godwin is sometimes referred to as the "Father of Anarchism".

And that very connection between 'civil disobedience' and 'anarchy' was a point in Harvard's rebuttal but, in the end, the problem with that was revealed by the Wiley debaters to the audience's thundering applause.

Anyway, that's a good example that helps make my point about reversal. In this specific case, 'civil disobedience' used as a tool by Gandhi and his followers led to running the British out of India, thus saving India AS India. Conversely, 'civil disobedience', interpreted and used as a tool by Anarchists can lead to "no law at all" as a chaotic kind of social organizing principle, potentially collapsing a country from the inside out, saving little or nothing. Which is different.


Mal7 said:
Emerson, Thoreau, and the American Transcendentalists were themselves influenced by Indian and other eastern religious thought.

And more broadly speaking, as great minds tend to think alike, it's possible that Emerson, Thoreau, some American Transcendentalists AND Indian and other eastern religious thought were themselves influenced by earlier Gnostic thought which elevated the value of an individual with conscience, a working mind and a thorough understanding of his potential for evil if he's not careful OVER the value of a social majority. Which is a reason why they were wiped out...if not the reason.
 
Mal7 said:
There is a wikipedia page about the Karmapa controversy here:
_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmapa_controversy#Split_recognition_of_the_current_Karmapa

Both candidates are Tibetan, and both have left Tibet to live in India. Ogyen Trinley Dorje has recognized as the current Karmapa Lama by a majority of Karma Kagyu lamas, and by the Dalai Lama, and also by the Chinese Governement. I don't think this makes him the Chinese candidate (he would still be the Karmapa Lama as recognized by the Karma Kagyu lamas even if the Chinese Government hadn't taken a position on the issue.)

Yes, you are most definitely correct about the two Karmapa's both being Tibetan and from what i've come to read, Ogyen Trinley Dorje does seem to be endorsed (and you are correct, not candidate) by China and also it seems the DL has moved this way from the other, Trinley Thaye Dorji Karmapa, who is supported by Shamar Rinpoche; many people say though, why not two? Here is a set of video's that discuss this the controversy.

The Flight of a Karmapa Part 1of 5.flv

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2adETbuwpv0

_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTDEaOWub1c

Another case, that of the Panchen Lama, is an example of one where the Chinese did appoint there own candidate. The Panchen Lama has been thought of as the second highest lama position after the Dalai Lama. The Panchen Lama was the head of the large Tashilhunpo Monastery in Shigatse, the second largest town in Tibet after Lhasa. In 1995, the Dalai Lama announced the recognition of the reincarnation of the 11th Panchen Lama, Gedhun Choekyi Nyima, who was six years old at the time. The boy and his family were then taken from his home by the Chinese security services and to this day their whereabouts are unknown. The Chinese Government then selected their own candidate to be the 11th Panchen Lama.

_http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/11th_Panchen_Lama_controversy
_http://tibet.net/2013/04/25/panchen-lama-turns-24-clamour-grows-for-his-release/

In 2011 the Chinese Government, which officially is not supposed to believe in reincarnation, made a law banning the Dalai Lama from reincarnating outside of Tibet :) :
_http://isikkim.com/6-china-bans-reincarnation-of-7-lama-43/
According to the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month will stipulate the procedure by which one is to reincarnate. It is being dubbed, an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation.

Interesting.

The bolded part made my eyebrows rise "...institutionalize management of reincarnation". Serious afterlife/rebirth affairs and country boundaries one must observe, by "law", when reincarnating. :lol:
 
Here is an english video from the well known magicians Penn & Teller (Yeah they are and made some rather enforcing propaganda pieces, so we should be suspicious I think...) about Gandhi.

Mahatma Gandhi - A Pedophile Racist EXPOSED:
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRV8PYDIa8I

GB Sing is also speaking in the video...

Here is the video description:

Mahatma Gandhi used to sleep naked with several young girls including his young grandniece, Manu Gandhi . This is written in his biography at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohandas....

You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time. Was Mahatma Gandhi (Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi) really a Mahatma or a Racist Pedophile ? Lets find out the real hidden truth about the so called "Mahatma Gandhi".

Slowly but steadily the true statement about Mr. Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi or Mahatma Gandhi's racial discrimination is becoming self apparent to most Americans. What was only voiceless a few decades ago, what was exclusively mentioned in silenced conversations a few years ago, is now part of the Congressional Record of the United States of America. The cacophony of the criticism versus Mahatma Gandhi is now being called out from the top of the mountains and is devoted in the library of congress books. The travesty cannot be obscure anymore.




When the eight-foot high Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi / Mahatma Gandhi statue was undraped, impersonating him as a young human-rights lawyer, many leadership attacked Mahatma Gandhi's anti-black statements. "Gandhi had no love for Africans," pronounced one letter in The Citizen, a South African newspaper. "To him, Africans were no finer than the `Untouchables' of India."

As you may know, Mr. Speaker, the dark-skinned aborigines of the subcontinent, known as Dalits or "Untouchables," occupy the most down in the mouth rung on the ladder of India's rigid and racist caste system. The caste system lives to protect the advantaged position of the Brahmins, the top caste. Although it was officially banned by India's constitution in 1950, it is still strictly exercised in India.

Others have noticed that Mahatma Gandhi/ Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi dismissed the suffering of black people during the colonial occupancy of South Africa. When he was arrested and forced to share a jail cell with black prisoners, he penned that they were "only one degree removed from the animal." In other words, he described blacks as less than human.


Mahatma Gandhi/ Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi is rewarded as the founder of India. These statements and attitudes expose the racist corroborating behind the secular, democratic facade of India. India must desolate its racist attitudes and its victimization of minorities. It must allow the delectation of full human rights by everyone. Until it does so, we should stop our aid and trade with India. Furthermore, Mr. Speaker, the essence of democracy is the right to self-government.

MAHATMA GANDHI: Behind The Mask of Divinity
GANDHI: BEHIND THE MASK OF DIVINITY is the first book to analyze the Mahatma's own writings. In this critical, intriguing, and which is provocative investigation, Singh presents the personal racist side of Gandhi which is often underrepresented by the vast majority of people belonging to Gandhian literature. Readers who will read the book will find particularly interesting the case of William Francis Doherty, a white American whose murder done by the Gandhi's followers was quickly covered up by Gandhi himself. What does this imply about Mahatma Gandhi the man, and what does it imply for our young generation who are blinded by his beliefs? Naturally, a good analysis of Gandhi's life had several implications for our understanding of modern India, a Hindu state that has already created nuclear weapons and most likely produce more. How come the followers of "non violent" Gandhi showed their inclination upon creating weapons of mass destruction, in addition to that they wanted to buil huge military and paramilitary forces?
One of the follower of Mahatma Gandhi said that over the years he has discussed Gandhi with many Americans, both formally and informally. . . .What really irks me is the amount of Mohandas Gandhi "propaganda material" which has regularly flooded our libraries and bookstores. For an unknowing Westerner, the reading of Gandhi in which he is portrayed on these shelves can truly bring about the intended result. That is understandable.

MAHATMA GANDHI ON BLACKS AND RACE RELATIONS -- Go to Collected works of Mohandas Gandhi by visiting: http://www.gandhiserve.org/cwmg/cwmg....
If you go through the writings of Mahatma Gandhi, you will find articles which depict Africans worse than Animals. Even the children are taught to believe in that manner, with the result that the Indian is being dragged down tothe position of a raw Kaffir." (Reference: The Collected Works of Mahatma Gandhi, Government of India (CWMG), Vol I, p. 150).

His description of black inmates: "Only a degree removed from the animal." Also, "Kaffirs are as a rule uncivilized -- the convicts even more so. They are troublesome,
very dirty and live almost like animals." -- Mar. 7, 1908 (Reference: CWMG, Vol VIII, pp. 135-136)
 
This is from a 1998 essay on Gandhi by Salman Rushdie, published in Time magazine:
Gandhi today is up for grabs. He has become abstract, ahistorical, postmodern, no longer a man in and of his time but a freeloading concept, a part of the available stock of cultural symbols, an image that can be borrowed, used, distorted, reinvented to fit many different purposes, and to the devil with historicity or truth.
[. . .]

The trouble with the idealized Gandhi is that he's so darned dull, little more than a dispenser of homilies and nostrums ("An eye for an eye will make the whole world go blind") with just the odd flash of wit (asked what he thought of Western civilization, he gave the celebrated reply, "I think it would be a great idea"). The real man, if it is still possible to use such a term after the generations of hagiography and reinvention, was infinitely more interesting, one of the most complex and contradictory personalities of the century.
[. . .]

He was determined to live his life as an ascetic, but, as the poet Sarojini Naidu joked, it cost the nation a fortune to keep Gandhi living in poverty. His entire philosophy privileged the village way over that of the city, yet he was always financially dependent on the support of industrial billionaires like Birla. His hunger strikes could stop riots and massacres, but he also once went on a hunger strike to force one of his capitalist patrons' employees to break their strike against the harsh conditions of employment.

He sought to improve the conditions of the untouchables, yet in today's India, these peoples, now calling themselves Dalits and forming an increasingly well-organized and effective political grouping, have rallied around the memory of their own leader, Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, an old rival of Gandhi's. As Ambedkar's star has risen among the Dalits, so Gandhi's stature has been reduced.

The creator of the political philosophies of passive resistance and constructive nonviolence, he spent much of his life far from the political arena, refining his more eccentric theories of vegetarianism, bowel movements and the beneficial properties of human excrement.

Forever scarred by the knowledge that, as a 16-year-old youth, he'd been making love to his wife Kasturba at the moment of his father's death, Gandhi later forswore sexual relations but went on into his old age with what he called his "brahmacharya experiments," during which naked young women would be asked to lie with him all night so that he could prove that he had mastered his physical urges. (He believed that total control over his "vital fluids" would enhance his spiritual powers.)
[. . .]

These days, few people pause to consider the complex character of Gandhi's personality, the ambiguous nature of his achievement and legacy, or even the real causes of Indian independence. These are hurried, sloganizing times, and we don't have the time or, worse, the inclination to assimilate many-sided truths. The harshest truth of all is that Gandhi is increasingly irrelevant in the country whose "little father"--Bapu--he was.
-_http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,988159-1,00.html
 
Pashalis said:
Here is an english video from the well known magicians Penn & Teller (Yeah they are and made some rather enforcing propaganda pieces, so we should be suspicious I think...) about Gandhi.

That clip comes from an episode of Penn and Teller's "B******t!" series which covered all three figures discussed in this thread - Mother Teresa, Gandhi, and the Dalai Lama.

The full show is here:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6voAW_Go5Y

The full list of subjects Penn and Teller try to debunk in the different episodes is here:
_https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Penn_%26_Teller:_Bullshit!_episodes
 
On infant mortality
Below are a few reflections on the possibility that:
The infant mortality rate was at 50% under the age of one year.
The average lifespan of adults was 35 years.
For comparison on https://www.cairn.info/revue-annales-de-demographie-historique-2015-1-page-55.htm there is
In the second half of the 19th century, the survival of children was appreciably lower in Southern and Eastern Europe as compared to most countries to the North: for instance, in Italy the probability of dying before the 5th birthday, immediately after national unification (1862-63) was well over 40% and it was just as high in Spain. In the same period it was hardly above 20% in Norway and Sweden, around 25% in England, and 30% in France (Vallin, 1991; Ramiro & Sanz, 2000a ; 2000b).
Another Surviving Infancy in the Middle Ages says:
The highest estimated percentage I have encountered is a 50% death rate, although 30% is the more common figure. These figures include the high number of infants who died within days after birth from little-understood and wholly unpreventable illnesses that modern science has thankfully overcome.
If countries like Italy and Spain had high rates in the middle of the 19th century when some medicine was known, what about Tibet? The above article has:

In the Roman Empire and among some Barbarian tribes, infanticide was an accepted practice. A newborn would be placed before its father; if he picked the child up, it would be considered a member of the family and its life would begin. However, if the family was on the edge of starvation, if the child was deformed, or if the father had any other reasons not to accept it, the infant would be abandoned to die of exposure, with rescue a real, if not always likely, possibility.

Perhaps the most significant aspect of this procedure is that life for the child began once it was accepted. If the child was not accepted, it was essentially treated as if it had never been born. In non-Judeo-Christian societies, the immortal soul (if individuals were considered to possess one) was not necessarily considered to reside in a child from the moment of its conception. Therefore, infanticide was not regarded as murder.

Whatever we might think today of this custom, the people of these ancient societies had what they considered to be sound reasons for performing infanticide. The fact that infants were occasionally abandoned or killed at birth apparently did not interfere with the ability of parents and siblings to love and cherish a newborn once it had been accepted as part of the family.
And this may have happened more often in Tibet. I read an account that in Tibet among the Nomads the newborn child was born to the father, if he thought it would work it was kept. The life of the nomads was super challenging, anything that looked handicapped, very weak, sick or born before term would probably be left behind, more so if the time in terms of food was not favourable, or if the mother died in child birth and there was nobody around to nurse it.

I have tried to find the birth mortality rate by similarly exposed populations, but was not successful, however what I did find was that in poor areas of Bangladesh, the overall mortality was higher during the Winter: Seasonal variations of all-cause and cause-specific mortality by age, gender, and socioeconomic condition in urban and rural areas of Bangladesh At the same time in comparison with Europe the conditions in Tibet are harsh, it is high altitude country and with higher altitude lower average temperature compared to a place with the same latitude at sea level. On the Wiki for the Tibetan Plateau, there is this map showing areas above 1600 meters in Centra Asia.
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And a description of the climate:
The plateau is a high-altitude arid steppe interspersed with mountain ranges and large brackish lakes. Annual precipitation ranges from 100 to 300 millimetres (3.9 to 11.8 in) and falls mainly as hail. The southern and eastern edges of the steppe have grasslands which can sustainably support populations of nomadic herdsmen, although frost occurs for six months of the year. Permafrost occurs over extensive parts of the plateau. Proceeding to the north and northwest, the plateau becomes progressively higher, colder and drier, until reaching the remote Changtang region in the northwestern part of the plateau. Here the average altitude exceeds 5,000 metres (16,000 ft) and winter temperatures can drop to −40 °C (−40 °F). As a result of this extremely inhospitable environment, the Changthang region (together with the adjoining Kekexili region) is the least populous region in Asia, and the third least populous area in the world after Antarctica and northern Greenland.
If one goes to List of highest cities - Wikipedia one will read a good number of the highest populated cities in the World are located in Tibet. They are located much higher than the height that may trigger altitude sickness due to low oxygen. If would not be easy to be born in such an environment.[/QUOTE]
 
In this post some comments about punishment in Tibet, the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism and how it came to power, the geography of Tibet and the history of the invasion of Tibet.
Regarding the treatment of criminals in Tibet before the Chinese:
For example, criminals such as thieves might have their feet shackled together with metal clasps, but were otherwise still free to move around in society, albeit a little slower than in their unshackled state, rather than being separated from society. In the past, a repeat offender might have had a hand or an arm cut off.
Next are some statements related to the above topic made by the Austrian alpinist Heinrich Harrer, who together with another Austrian alpinist, Peter Aufschnaiter, spent a few years in Tibet just before the coming of the Chinese. Peter Auschnaiter, collected material for a book about his time in Tibet, published posthumously under the title Eight Years in Tibet and is now only available for 400 USD. One can read a review of the book by someone who met both Harrer and Auschnaiter or two reviews on the German Amazon. The book from which I have quoted some excerpts is by Heinrich Harrer, and has the title, Seven Years in Tibet, (pdf archive). It explains how they after having climbed a peak in Himalaya were caught by the British at the onset of World War II, interned in a POW camp and after a couple of failed attempts escaped from a POW camp near Dehradun in India and travelled north into Tibet, where they after very many trying experiences, eventually ended up in Lhasa. They stayed for some years in the capital of Tibet and after the Chinese takeover the author had to flee. His book came out in 1952 in German and in the two following years in the UK and the US. It was translated into 53 languages and sold 3 million copies. If its wide distribution may have had a mission in creating the narrative around Tibet, that later became important for political and religious reasons is possible. At any rate here are some excerpts commenting on law and order, and the first is about a village near the Tibetan-Nepalese border:
There are no police in our sense of the word. Evildoers are publicly sentenced. The punishments are pretty drastic, but they seem to suit the mentality of the population. I was told of a man who had stolen a golden butter lamp from one of the temples in Kyirong. He was convicted of the offense, and what we would think an inhuman sentence was carried out. His hands were publicly cut off and he was then sewn up in a wet yak skin. After this had been allowed to dry, he was thrown over a precipice. We never saw any punishments as cruel as this.
Okay, THEY did not see it, but it is not completely unrealistic for an enraged mob guided by some monks who did not wish to let their need of authority to be overturned. Here is, compared to the previous anecdotal evidence, an example of lenience from a description of an encounter near Lhasa:
When we came back to our lodging a surprise was awaiting us. They had given us as roommate a man wearing fetters on his ankles and able to take only very short steps. He told us smilingly, and as if it was a perfectly normal thing, that he was a murderer and a robber and had been condemned first to receive two hundred lashes and afterward to wear fetters for the rest of his life. This made my flesh creep. Were we already classed with murderers? However, we soon learned that in Tibet a convicted criminal is not necessarily looked down on. Our man had no social disadvantages: he joined in conversation with everybody and lived on alms. And he didn't live badly.
On this page one European and two American scholars have written about the situation of abuse before 1959: Human Rights in Tibet before 1959 by Robert Barnett On another page it was mentioned that capital punishment was forbidden from just before WW1

There is of course plenty of material about the abuse perpetrated by the Chinese after. Any search will turn something up and below are some that left out the huge number published in Western Media.

How reliable this is we don't know, but considering that the invasion was not bloodless in the first place, there is not reason to assume the efforts to hold the power later were either. The Chinese Central Government try to decrease the underlying tension and one strategy to create more unity is to promote marriages between Tibetans and Han Chinese TIBETAN MARRIAGE, WEDDINGS, CHILDREN AND FAMILIES | Facts and Details
A comment on the Gelugpa school and its role in Tibet
Some New Age thinkers or devout followers of Buddhism might be surprised to know that the Gelugpa school of Tibetan Buddhism took political ascendency over the other schools with the backing of the military power of the Mongols in the 16th century AD.
The Wiki about Gelugpa explains something about their origins and how the Gelugpa became prominent in Tibet which included proselytizing among powerful Mongols.
Origins and development
The Kadam school was a monastic tradition in Tibet, founded by Atisa’s chief disciple Dromtön in 1056 C.E. with the establishment of Reting Monastery. The school itself was based upon the Lamrim or “Graded Path,” approach synthesized by Atisa. While it had died out as an independent tradition by the 14th century, this lineage became the inspiration for the foundation of the Gelug-pa.[4]
Tsongkhapa
The Gelug school was founded by Je Tsongkhapa, an eclectic Buddhist monk who traveled Tibet studying under Sakya, Kagyu and Nyingmateachers, such as the Sakya Master Rendawa (1349–1412) and the Dzogchen master Drupchen Lekyi Dorje.[5][6][7]

A great admirer of the Kadam school, Tsongkhapa merged the Kadam teachings of Lojong (mind training) and Lamrim (stages of the path) with the Sakya Tantric teachings.[8]
[...]
Establishment of the Dalai Lamas
In 1577 Sonam Gyatso, who was considered to be the third incarnation of Gyalwa Gendün Drup,[12] formed an alliance with the then most powerful Mongol leader, Altan Khan.[12] As a result, Sonam Gyatso was designated as the 3rd Dalai Lama; "dalai" is a translation into Mongolian of the name "Gyatso" ocean,[12] and Gyalwa Gendün Drup and Gendun Gyatso were posthumously recognized as the 1st and 2nd Dalai Lamas.[13]

Sonam Gyatso was very active in proselytizing among the Mongols,[13] and the Gelug tradition was to become the main spiritual orientations of the Mongols in the ensuing centuries.[13] This brought the Gelugpas powerful patrons who were to propel them to pre-eminence in Tibet.[13] The Gelug-Mongol alliance was further strengthened as after Sonam Gyatso's death, his incarnation was found to be Altan Khan's great-grandson, the 4th Dalai Lama.[13]

It has happened many times in history that kings and people in power have been put out of power, that countries have been invaded, rulers put in prison or worse. What is quite sure is that with only about one million people in 1945 and with an area of 1,2 million square kilometers, Tibet would probably have ended up in hands of someone. On Rangzen Alliance » Independent Tibet – The Facts there is
Foreign Military Invasion Not “Peaceful Liberation”
On the dawn of 5th October 1950, the 52nd, 53rd & 54th divisions of the 18th Army [6] of the Red Army (probably over 40,000 troops) attacked all along the cease-fire line (mentsam-shagsa) on the Drichu River guarded by 3,500 regular soldiers and 2,000 Khampa militiamen. Earlier, in late 1949, Communist forces had entered areas of Eastern (Kham) and North-Eastern Tibet (Amdo) then under the military occupation of Nationalist (Guomindang) supported war-lord regimes. Recent research by a Chinese scholar reveals that Mao Zedong met Stalin on 22nd January 1950 and asked for the Soviet air force to transport supplies for the invasion of Tibet. Stalin replied: “It’s good you are preparing to attack Tibet. The Tibetans need to be subdued.” [7]
Amdo, mentioned above, is one of the three traditional districts in Tibet and Guomindang or Kuomintang - Wikipedia was the Chinese Nationalist Party. From the above we get that Tibet even before that advent of the Communist forces were under partial occupation. About Amdo there is: Amdo - Wikipedia
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(Tibetan: ཨ༌མདོ [ʔam˥˥.to˥˥]; Chinese: 安多; pinyin: Ānduō [antwó]) is one of the three traditional regions of Tibet, the other two being Ü-Tsang and Kham; it is also the birthplace of the 14th Dalai Lama. Amdo encompasses a large area from the Machu (Yellow River) to the Drichu (Yangtze).[nb 1] In the Han dynasty (206 BCE–220 CE), Qinghai Lake was called the West Sea (Chinese: 西海; pinyin: Xī Hǎi), and substantial numbers of Han Chinese lived in the Xining valley.[2] While historically, culturally, and ethnically a Tibetan area, Amdo was administered by a series of local rulers since the mid-18th century and the Dalai Lamas have not governed the area directly since that time.[3] From 1917 to 1928, much of Amdo was occupied intermittently by the Hui Muslim warlords of the Ma clique. In 1928, the Ma Clique joined the Kuomintang (Chinese Nationalist Party), and during the period from 1928 to 1949, much of Amdo was gradually assimilated into the Qinghai province (and part of Gansu province) of the Kuomintang Republic of China. By 1952, Communist Party of China forces had defeated both the Kuomintang and the local Tibetans and had assumed control of the region, solidifying their hold on the area by 1958 and formally spelling the end of the political existence of Amdo as a distinct Tibetan province.
From the above one really gets the impression that the end of Tibetan self rule was a matter of time. Today China and India plus surrounding countries have around 3 billion people, while the Tibet Autonomous regions holds a little more than 3 million including the Han Chinese that have moved in. On a map it looks like this:
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Tibet - Wikipedia has
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The case of a crime and punishment in "Seven Years in Tibet"
In the following story the "Reformed Buddhist Church" can only be the Gelugpa variant of Buddhism.
As time has gone on, the Tibetans seem to have become more lenient. I remember witnessing a public flogging, which I thought was not severe enough. The condemned persons were a monk and a nun belonging to the Reformed Buddhist Church, which enforces celibacy. The nun had cohabited with the monk and had had a child by him, which she killed when it was born. Both were denounced and put in the pillory. The guilt was publicly announced and they were condemned to a hundred lashes each. During the flogging the inhabitants begged the authorities to show mercy, offering them presents of money. This produced a reduction of the sentence, and sobs and sighs of relief were heard among the crowd of onlookers. The monk and the nun were exiled from the district and deprived of their religious status. The sympathy shown by the whole population toward them was, to our notions, almost inconceivable.

The reformed sect, to which these two persons belonged, is dominant in Tibet, although in our particular neighborhood there were a large number of monasteries obeying other rules. In them monks and nuns could live a family life together, and the children remained in the monastery. They worked in their fields, but were never appointed to official posts, which were reserved for members of the Reformed Church. The supremacy of the monastic orders in Tibet is something unique. It can well be compared to a stern dictatorship. The monks mistrust any influence from the outside would that might undermine their authority. They are clever enough not to believe that their power is limitless, but they punish anyone who suggests that it is not. For that reason some of the monks of Kyirong disapproved of our close contact with the villagers. Our behavior, which remained uninfluenced by any of their superstitions, must have given the Tibetans something to think about. We used to go by night into the forests without being molested by demons, we climbed mountains without lighting sacrificial fires, and still nothing happened to us. In some quarters we noticed a certain reserve, which could only be attributed to the influence of the lamas. I think they must have credited us with supernatural powers, for they were convinced that our excursions had some hidden purpose. They kept on asking us why we were always communing with streams and birds. No Tibetan ever takes a step without a particular object, and they felt that when we roamed in the woods or sat by brooks we were not doing so aimlessly.
It is difficult to find much information about the claim that some orders of Tibetan munks and nuns functioned as a community with children and families. If it existed it was not much spoken of.
Here is what the Wiki mentions about Buddhist monasticism in Tibet:
In Tibet, before the Chinese invasion in the late 1940s and early 1950s, more than half of the country's male population was ordained. Today, this is no longer the case. While generally adhering to a Mahayana tradition that advocates the virtues of vegetarianism, Tibetan monks generally eat meat as a concession to climatic conditions that make a plant-based diet largely unfeasible. Tibetan monks follow the Mūlasarvāstivāda vinaya lineage.

Lamas who take bhikṣu vows are not allowed to marry.[15]

The Nyingma school includes a mixture of bhikṣus and non-celibate ngakpas, and it is not unusual for lamas to wear robes closely resembling monastic garb despite them not being bhikṣus.[16][17]

Sakya school does not allow monks to get close to women after they have sons.[18]

Gelug school emphasized Vinaya ethics and monastic discipline; Choekyi Gyaltsen refused to wear monk clothing after he married.[19]

Kagyu monks are also required to return to non-monastic life to marry.[20][21]
Buddhist monasticism - WikipediaIn the above list the Gelug school were the one that ruled Tibe and to which the above mentioned couple couple. From the context it might have been the Nyingma school or maybe a Kagyu related arrangement.
 
Khampa rebels, earlier conflicts with China and internal strife in Tibet
As I dig deeper into what came before the Chinese invasion of Tibet, I wonder how much of the publicity given to Tibetan culture and religion is due to the assistance given to it for geopolitical purposes. If this as a possibility would it change anything?
Yes the CIA were involved in arming and aiding the Tibetan Khampa rebels in their revolt against the Chinese troops.
After World War II, Britain had been weakened, it left India and could not longer back Tibet up or tell China what to do. The role of Britain had been taken over by the USA, and it showed itself, at least in the 1950ies after the Chinese Communists had moved into Tibet. On Battle of Chamdo - Wikipedia there is
Some Khampa fighters continued their opposition. Local warlords later became united under a common objective and hence resulted in the formation of Chushi Gangdruk with assistance from the CIA.[34]
And according to Chushi Gangdruk - Wikipedia this activity which was initiated from Nepal only stopped in 1974, and later in the same article on the Wiki:
CIA support
Without getting approval from the Dalai Lama, the US Central Intelligence Agency decided to go ahead to support the Chushi Gangdrug Tenshung Danglang Mak in the summer of 1959.[14] The CIA provided the group with material assistance and aid, including arms and ammunition, as well as training to members of Chushi Gangdruk and other Tibetan guerrilla groups at Camp Hale.

Allen Dulles, the CIA deputy director responsible for overseeing all CIA covert operations, saw an opportunity to destabilize Communist China.[17] The primary motive was more to impede and harass the Chinese Communists, than to render sufficient aid to the Tibetans.[18]
More on the CIA Tibetan Program https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_Tibetan_program including the reference to the family of the Dalai Lama.

If Tibet had remained independent, one may well wonder if not the situation with CIA backed and motivated attacks on China had been the same all along the border between Tibet and China, irrespective of what any Tibetan Government in Lhasa might have thought of it. It turns out the relation between China and Tibet had been strained for some years.

Tibet 1930-1933
While the conflict between China and Tibet appears as having little background this is not really the case, if one goes back to 1930, one finds:
The Sino-Tibetan War was a war that began in 1930 when the Tibetan Army under the 13th Dalai Lama invaded Xikang and Yushu in Qinghai in a dispute over monasteries. Ma clique warlord Ma Bufang secretly sent a telegram to Sichuan warlord Liu Wenhui and the leader of the Republic of China, Chiang Kai-shek, suggesting a joint attack on the Tibetan forces. Their armies rapidly overwhelmed and defeated the Tibetan Army.
Just a note here; in 1930 Ma Bufang, a lieutenant general, reformer warlord aligned with the nationalist forces, and was only 27 years old, later his son Ma Jiyuan - Wikipedia also proved a very capable military leader at a very young age.

In 1932 Tibet made the decisions to expand the war into Qinghai against Ma Bufang, the reasons for which have speculated upon by many historians.[5]
The Tibetans not only had old equipment and were poorly trained, the above decision was very ignorant to say the least. However the victory for the Chinese army landed a lot of confidence and experience with the winning soldiers which incidentally was used to successfully defeat the Japanese in later battles.

The next excerpt is a chapter on the Sino-Tibetan War which reveals that "British pressure led China to declare a cease-fire." and "The British had backed up the Tibetans during the war." This means Tibet was not alone, one may even ask if the British were at fault to begin with; was the Sino-Tibetan war a proxy war? Qinghai–Tibet War - Wikipedia:
The Qinghai–Tibet War was a conflict that took place during the Sino-Tibetan War. A rebellion led by the Dalai Lama with British support wanted to expand the original conflict taking place between the Tibetan Army and Liu Wenhui (Sichuan clique) in Xikang, to attack Qinghai, a region northeast of Tibet. Using a dispute over a monastery in Yushu in Qinghai as an excuse in 1932, the Tibetan army attacked. Qinghai Muslim General Ma Bufang overran the Tibetan armies and recaptured several counties in Xikang province. Shiqu, Dege and other counties were seized from the Tibetans.[1][2][3] The war against the Tibetan army was led by the Muslim General Ma Biao.[4][5] The Tibetans were pushed back to the other side of the Jinsha river.[6][7] The Qinghai army recaptured counties that had been controlled by the Tibetan army since 1919. The victory on the part of the Qinghai army threatened the supply lines to Tibetan forces in Garze and Xinlong. As a result, this part of the Tibetan army was forced to withdraw. Ma and Liu warned Tibetan officials not to dare cross the Jinsha river again.[8] By August the Tibetans lost so much territory to Liu Wenhui and Ma Bufang's forces that the Dalai Lama telegraphed the British government of India for assistance. British pressure led China to declare a cease-fire.[9]Separate truces were signed by Ma and Liu with the Tibetans in 1933, ending the fighting.[10][11][12] The British had backed up the Tibetans during the war. After their war the victory over the Tibetans was celebrated by Xikang and Qinghai soldiers.[13][14]
A cease-fire in 1933, but then shortly after the wealthy businessmen and trades from Kham became active:

1934 Khamba rebellion against the Lamas in Lhasa and a Chinese warlord
The 1934 Khamba rebellion was a rebellion in the western regions of Kham in Xikang against the Tibetan Government and the Sichuan Warlord Liu Wenhui.[2] It consisted of Khamba tribesmen led by the Pandatsang family; two brothers of the family, Pandatsang Togbye and Pandatsang Rapga, led the revolt.
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The Pandatsang were an extremely rich Khampa trading family with enormous influence in Kham. The family leader was Nyigyal. [...]They were behind the rebellion against Lhasa in 1934 and the Tibet Improvement Party.[3]
About The Tibet Improvement Party there is:
The Tibet Improvement Party [...] It was affiliated with the Kuomintang and was supported by mostly Khampas, with the Pandatsang family playing a key role.

The Tibetan, Chinese, and English versions of the party names all have separate meanings. The Chinese name [...]means "Tibet Revolutionary Party".[2] In English, it is known as the Tibet Improvement Party or alternatively the Tibetan Progressive Party.[3][4] The Tibetan name[...] translates as "Western Tibet Reform Party".
The above sets the scene and next were their beliefs:

The Party considered the then government of Tibet as entirely outdated and feudal, and sought a modern, secular government which would improve infrastructure, introduce newer technology, better education, and a standing army.

Pandatsang Rapga was strongly influenced by the ideas of Sun Yat-sen, especially his Three Principles of the People doctrine. He believed that change in Tibet would only be possible in a manner similar to when the Qing Dynasty was overthrown in China, and borrowed the theories and ideas of the Kuomintang as the basis for his model for Tibet. The party was funded by the Kuomintang and by the Pandatsang family. It was said that Rapga "was a devout believer in the political ideology of Sun Yat-sen and had translated some of Sun's more important writings into Tibetan", including the Three Principles of the People. The Kuomintang General Huang Musong, who was also Chairman of the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission, talked Rapga into traveling to China in 1936 to join the Commission. The Tibet Improvement Party had "a hundred or so sympathizers among Khamba traders" according to Melvyn C. Goldstein.[8] Rapga hailed the three principles of Dr. Sun for helping Asian peoples against foreign imperialism and called for the feudal system to be overthrown.
The above program appears to spell doom for the traditional Tibet, it was just a matter of time. The three principles of Dr Sun were Sun Yat-sen - Wikipedia
Sun's chief legacy resides in his development of the political philosophy known as the Three Principles of the People: nationalism (independence from foreign imperialist domination), "rights of the people" (sometimes translated as "democracy"),[4] and the people's livelihood (just society).[5][6

The above correlates with
Although pre-1950 Tibet was not as entirely cut-off from the outside world as the myth of Shangri-la suggests, it did I think maintain a naievety and kind of mediaevalism about its society that was uncommon in the modern world.
Not necessarily a bad thing, but worse the leaders did not have foresight to avoid problems.

Chinese Nationalists weighed in on Lama choice, ready to invade Tibet in 1942
Because Ma Bufang did not want the 14th Dalai Lama to succeed his predecessor, he stationed his men in such a way that the Dalai Lama was effectively under house arrest, saying this was needed for "protection", and refusing to permit him to leave for Tibet.[12] He did all he could to delay the movement of the Dalai Lama from Qinghai to Tibet by demanding 100,000 Chinese silver dollars.[13][14][15]
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Ma Bufang's regime centered on the support of "fanatically disciplined and obedient Chinese Muslims". [...]
The last to say that the soldiers of Ma Bufang were top notch.

In the biography of Ma Bufang one also finds some information, that makes the prospects for Tibet's independence, no matter who ruled in China so much worse
[...]Chiang also ordered Ma Bufang to put his Muslim soldiers on alert for an invasion of Tibet in 1942.[59] Ma Bufang complied, and moved several thousand troops to the border with Tibet.[60] Chiang also threatened the Tibetans with bombing if they did not comply. Ma Bufang attacked the Tibetan Buddhist Tsang monastery in 1941.[61] He also constantly attacked the Labrang monastery.[62]
Ma Bufang - Wikipedia

Internal disagreement and Chinese interference in Tibet over the choice of the next Panchen Lama
The 10th Panchen Lama was born Gonpo Tseten on 19 February 1938 in today's Xunhua Salar Autonomous County of Qinghai, to Gonpo Tseten and Sonam Drolma. When the Ninth Panchen Lama died in 1937, two simultaneous searches for the tenth Panchen Lama produced two competing candidates, with the government in Lhasa (who had selected a boy from Xikang) and the Ninth Panchen Lama's officials (who picked Tseten) in conflict.[1] The Republic of China government, then embroiled in the Chinese Civil War, declared its support for Tseten on 3 June 1949. Guan Jiyu, the head of the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission, joined Kuomintang Governor of Qinghai Ma Bufang in presiding over Tseten's enthronement on 11 June as Choekyi Gyaltsen at Kumbum Monastery.[2] The Dalai Lama's government in Lhasa still refused to recognize Gyaltsen.[3]
3 June 1949 was a few months before the Republic of China government lost the struggle for power on mainland China. From this we read that there was disagreement between Kuomintang and the Lamas as well as between the Government in Lhasa and the officials at the monastery. If one looks at the map then them candidates came from two different traditional Tibetan districts Amdo and Kham. If Ma Bufang and the Nationalist Chinese had had a desire to support the government in Lhasa, they could have done so, but they didn't. Perhaps Ma Bufang figured that if he was the overseer of the enthronement of Tseten, he could also guide the following events, while the Lamas in Lhasa may have had some sponsors in Kham or wanted to calm down their disagreements with the traders from that area.

The traders from Kham, who handled all of the wool export from Tibet, which gave them influence, who were opposed to Lhasa's traditional policies, who established The Western Tibet Reform Party and were aligned with Kuomintang were also active in the event leading up to the 1959 conflict:

The 1959 Tibetan uprising
In 1951, an agreement between the People's Republic of China and representatives of the Dalai Lama was put into effect. Socialist reforms such as redistribution of land were delayed in Tibet proper. However, eastern Kham and Amdo (western Sichuan and Qinghai provinces in the Chinese administrative hierarchy) were outside the administration of the Tibetan government in Lhasa, and were thus treated more like other Chinese provinces, with land redistribution implemented in full. The Khampas and nomads of Amdo traditionally owned their own land.[12] Armed resistance broke out in Amdo and eastern Kham in June 1956.

Prior to the PLA invasion, relations between Lhasa and the Khampa chieftains had deteriorated,
although the Khampa remained spiritually loyal to the Dalai Lama throughout. Because of these strained relations, the Khampa had actually assisted the Chinese in their initial invasion, before becoming the guerrilla resistance they are now known for.[13]

By 1957, Kham was in chaos. Resistance fighters' attack and People's Liberation Army reprisals against Khampa resistance fighters such as the Chushi Gangdruk became increasingly brutal.[15] Kham's monastic networks came to be used by guerilla forces to relay messages and hide rebels.[16] Punitive strikes were carried out by the Chinese government against Tibetan villages and monasteries. Tibetan exiles assert that threats to bomb the Potala Palace and the Dalai Lama were made by Chinese military commanders in an attempt to intimidate the guerrilla forces into submission.[17]

Lhasa continued to abide by the seventeen point agreement and sent a delegation to Kham to quell the rebellion. After speaking with the rebel leaders, the delegation instead joined the rebellion.[18] Kham leaders contacted the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), but the CIA under President Dwight D. Eisenhower insisted it required an official request from Lhasa to support the rebels. Lhasa did not act.[18] Eventually the CIA began to provide covert support for the rebellion without word from Lhasa. By then the rebellion had spread to Lhasa which had filled with refugees from Amdo and Kham.[19] Opposition to the Chinese presence in Tibet grew within the city of Lhasa.

The PLA used Hui soldiers, who formerly had served under Ma Bufang to crush the Tibetan revolt in Amdo.[22] In Southern Kham, Hui cavalry were stationed.[23]
As we have seen previously, the HUI soldiers had before signing up with the PLA already served Ma Bufang and had experience with fighting the Tibetans, besides the Hui were Muslims while the large majority, if not all of the Tibetan were Buddhists of some description.
 
Comments on the history of Tibet
In the last post I did not trace the problem in Tibet much further back than 1930. At some stage it was noticed that Tibet was backed by Great Britain in their struggle with the Chinese, at least diplomatically. But what happened before that event? And what is the official Chinese opinion about the history of Tibet? It turns out that the links between China and Tibet go back hundreds of years to the time when a grandson of Genghis Khan, Kublai Khan, founded the Yuan Dynasty. Inbetween the links have been uneven at times, but the overall layout have not changed. In the process of tracing the history of Tibet one becomes increasingly familiar with the history of China, and that turns out to be no coincidence.

Early history of Tibet and China
One article analyzes the varying claims: Opinion | Don’t Know Much About Tibetan History
The idea that Tibet became part of China in the 13th century is a very recent construction. In the early part of the 20th century, Chinese writers generally dated the annexation of Tibet to the 18th century. They described Tibet’s status under the Qing with a term that designates a “feudal dependency,” not an integral part of a country.
The recent construction that the author refers to could relate to the official history of China: the History of Tibet of China which has it from From dynasty to republic but they appear to have some of it from a state document on Tibet: Tibet -- Its Ownership And Human Rights Situation
By the Tang Dynasty (AD 618-907), the Tibetans and Hans had, through marriages between royal families and other alliances, cemented unity and political friendship and formed close economic and cultural relations. This created a solid foundation for the ultimate founding of a unified nation.

A statue of the Tang Princess Wencheng, who married the Songtsan Gambo, the Tubo king, in 641, is still enshrined and worshiped at the Potala Palace in Lhasa, capital of the Tibet autonomous region.

The Tang-Tubo Alliance Monument, which marks the meeting between Tang and Tubo and was erected in 823, still stands in the square in front of the Jokhang Monastery. The monument's inscription reads in part: "The two kings, like uncle and nephew, having come to the agreement that their territories be united as one, have signed this alliance of great peace to last for eternity! May God and humanity bear witness thereto so that it may be praised from generation to generation."

In the mid-13th century, Tibet was officially incorporated into the territory of China's Yuan Dynasty. Since then, although China experienced several dynastic changes, Tibet has remained under the jurisdiction of the central government of China.

Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme was a Tibetan who became almost 100 years old, and was respected by all sides, he worked with for both the Lama administration and with the Chinese administration. On the issue on the status of Tibet, he should have said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngapoi_Ngawang_Jigme
"Whether Tibet is independent or not can be clearly seen from the historical records in Chinese and Tibetan languages or from many existing historical relics such as seals of authority and golden sheets that the emperor gave to the rulers of Tibet. The Tang Dynasty had an intimate relationship. Since the Yuan Dynasty, Tibet has been formally incorporated into the jurisdiction of the Central Government and has been in existence for over 740 years. This means that the so-called "Tibetan independence" is entirely unfounded and untenable." [44]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngapoi_Ngawang_Jigme#cite_note-45
The Wiki for The Yuan Dynasty explains it was founded by a descendent of Genghis Khan. By searching the connection in (family tree), one can see it was by his son Tolui who married Sorghaghtani Beki, a Christian. The Wiki has
The Yuan Dynasty established by Kublai Khan leader of the Mongolian Borjigin clan. It followed the Song dynasty and preceded the Ming dynasty. Although the Mongols had ruled territories including modern-day North China for decades, it was not until 1271 that Kublai Khan officially proclaimed the dynasty in the traditional Chinese style,[7]and the conquest was not complete until 1279 when the Southern Song dynasty was defeated in the Battle of Yamen. His realm was, by this point, isolated from the other Mongol khanates and controlled most of modern-day China and its surrounding areas, including modern Mongolia.
Genghis Khan united the Mongol tribes of the steppes and became Great Khan in 1206.[20] He and his successors expanded the Mongol empire across Asia. Under the reign of Genghis' third son, Ögedei Khan, the Mongols destroyed the weakened Jin dynasty in 1234, conquering most of northern China.[21] Ögedei offered his nephew Kublai a position in Xingzhou, Hebei. Kublai was unable to read Chinese but had several Han teachers attached to him since his early years by his mother Sorghaghtani. He sought the counsel of Chinese Buddhist and Confucian advisers.[22] Möngke Khan succeeded Ögedei's son, Güyük, as Great Khan in 1251.[23] He granted his brother Kublai control over Mongol held territories in China.[24] Kublai built schools for Confucian scholars, issued paper money, revived Chinese rituals, and endorsed policies that stimulated agricultural and commercial growth.[25] He adopted as his capital city Kaiping in Inner Mongolia, later renamed Shangdu.[26]
It is easy to remember the story of the Yuan Dynasty, since the unit of the Renminbi is called a Yuan, and in the dictionary one finds there is a relationship:
noun
pl. yuan, or yu·ans
currency
Origin of yuan
Mandarin yuán round, yuan ( in the latter meaning, loan translation of Japanese en yen ) ( written with the same Chinese character as Mandarin yuán round ) from Middle Chinese yan round ; see yen2.
Yuan
A Chinese dynasty (1279-1368) established by the Mongolian ruler Kublai Khan with its capital at present-day Beijing. It was superseded by the Ming dynasty.
Having traced the closer history between Tibet and a Dynasty covering the area of present day China, I return to the story about Tibet.

Tibet in the 18th century
The 1720 Chinese expedition to Tibet or the Chinese conquest of Tibet in 1720[2] was a military expedition sent by the Qing dynasty to expel the invading forces of the Dzungar Khanate from Tibet and establish a Chinese protectorate over the country. The expedition occupied Lhasa and marked the beginning of Qing rule in Tibet, which lasted until the empire's fall in 1912.
The following shows that there was cooperation between Lhasa and Peking up til 1912, because:
The Sikkim expedition was an 1888 British military expedition to expel Tibetan forces from Sikkim in present-day north east India. The roots of the conflict lay in British-Tibetan competition for sovereignty over Sikkim. [...] In the first half of the 19th century, the British extended their influence to the Himalayas and Sikkim signed the Treaty of Tumlong with the British in 1861. As the British established relations with Nepal, Sikkim and Bhutan, Tibetan influence waned and in Lhasa and Peking it was feared that if left unopposed, the British would encroach into Tibet through Sikkim.
Expeditions were popular with the British and in 1903 they made an "expedition" into Tibet.

British invasion of Tibet in 1903-1904
Tibet was invade by the British in 1903-1904. Here is a video that summarizes it, while also showing the locations where it happened. He explains the Great Game and the British fear of Russia which "led it" to trust spy information that Russia had stored weapons in Lhasa and were a threat to the British. This all turned out, not surprisingly for those familiar with British foreign policies, to be all false.
In the video it is said that the Viceroy of India sent three diplomatic letters to Tibet, but they were returned unopened. If that is a true story, then there is no wonder these Lamas became dream of the past, they simply did not know how to deal with the reality of changed historical and social circumstances.

On the Wiki they write about this expedition:
The British expedition to Tibet, also known as the British invasion of Tibet or the Younghusband expedition to Tibet began in December 1903 and lasted until September 1904. The expedition was effectively a temporary invasion by British Indian forces under the auspices of the Tibet Frontier Commission, whose purported mission was to establish diplomatic relations and resolve the dispute over the border between Tibet and Sikkim.[2] In the nineteenth century, the British conquered Burma and Sikkim, occupying the whole southern flank of Tibet. The Tibetan Ganden Phodrang regime, which was then under administrative rule of the Qing dynasty, remained the only Himalayan state free of British influence.

The Ganden Phodrang regime - the rule of the Dalai Lamas from the Gelug sect.
To clarify the meaning of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ganden_Phodrang
The Ganden Phodrang or Ganden Podrang (Tibetan: དགའ་ལྡན་ཕོ་བྲང, Wylie: dGa' ldan pho brang, Lhasa dialect: [kɑ̃̀tɛ̃̀ pʰóʈɑ̀ŋ]; Chinese: 甘丹頗章; pinyin: Gāndān Pōzhāng) was the Tibetan government that was established by the 5th Dalai Lama with the help of the Güshi Khan of the Khoshut in 1642. Lhasa became the capital of Tibet in the beginning of this period, with all temporal power being conferred to the 5th Dalai Lama by Güshi Khan in Shigatse. After the expulsion of the Dzungars, Tibet was under administrative rule of the Qing dynasty between 1720 and 1912, but the Ganden Phodrang government lasted until the 1950s,
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"Ganden Phodrang" was named after the residential quarters of the holder of the Dalai Lama lineage in the Drepung Monastery since the 2nd Dalai Lama.

With a massive number of beasts of burden, carriers and soldiers the British went into Tibet so no wonder:
Considerable pillaging took place at Palkor Chode, Dongtse and other monasteries after the fall of Gyantse Jong.[36]Whatever General Orders and the Hague Convention of 1899 may have dictated, looting seemed acceptable if the army felt it had been opposed in any way. According to Major William Beynon, in a letter to his wife of 7 July, some of the looting was officially approved – claims by Dr Waddell, Brigadier-General Macdonald and his chief of staff, Major Iggulden that monastic sites were "most religiously respected" look hollow.[37]
It is said many artifacts are now in British museums.

1904-1910 The Anglo-Tibetan treaty and the later negotiations with the Chinese Qing Dynasty
The Anglo-Tibetan Treaty of Lhasa (1904)
Main article: Treaty of Lhasa
The salient points of the Treaty of Lhasa of 1904 were as follows:
  • The British allowed to trade in Yadong, Gyantse, and Gartok.
  • Tibet to pay a large indemnity (7,500,000 rupees, later reduced by two-thirds; the Chumbi Valley to be ceded to Britain until paid).
  • Recognition of the Sikkim-Tibet border.
  • Tibet to have no relations with any other foreign powers (effectively converting Tibet into a British protectorate).[40]
The size of the indemnity had been the hardest factor to accept for the Tibetan negotiators. The Secretary of State for India, St John Brodrick, had in fact expressed the need for it to be "within the power of the Tibetans to pay" and given Younghusband a free hand to be "guided by circumstances in this matter". Younghusband raised the indemnity demanded from 5,900,000 to 7,500,000 rupees, and further demanded the right for a British trade agent, based at Gyantse, to visit Lhasa "for consultations". It seems that he was still following Lord Curzon's geo-political agenda to extend British influence in Tibet by securing the Chumbi Valley for Britain. Younghusband wanted the payment to be met by yearly instalments; it would have taken about 75 years for the Tibetans to clear their debt, and since British occupation of the Chumbi valley was surety until payment was completed, the valley would remain in British hands.[41]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet#cite_note-Powers82_3-46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet#cite_note-Powers82_3-46Tough conditions, but although it looked as if Tibet had become a British rather than a Chinese protectorate, it was not so simple.
Under the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chumbi_Valley they say that:
Being on one of the primary routes between India and Tibet, the Chumbi Valley has been at the forefront of several military expeditions. [...]The British military expedition of 1904 occupied the Chumbi Valley for about three years after the hostilities[3][4] to secure Tibetan payment of indemnity. Contemporary documents show that the British continued the occupation of Chumbi Valley until February 8, 1908, after having received payment from China. [5]
In other words the Chinese bought the British off and furthermore:
https://stason.org/TULARC/travel/ti...s-status-during-China-s-Qing-dynasty-164.html
In reaction to a British military expedition to Lhasa in 1904, the Qing government asserted, for the first time, a claim of sovereignty over Tibet. [Walt7] An atlas published in Shanghai in 1910 helped publicized this new territorial claim. [Atlas10]In contrast, a popular Chinese atlas first published in 1879 has a map of the Qing Empire which shows Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, and China proper, but not Tibet.
In other words from another article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/world/asia/10gyantse.html
The bloody invasion made the Manchu rulers of the Qing court in Beijing realize that they had to bring Tibet under their control rather than continue to treat it as a vassal state.

So, in 1910, well after the British had departed, 2,000 Chinese soldiers occupied Lhasa. That ended in 1913, after the disintegration of the Qing dynasty, ushering in a period of de facto independence that many Tibetans cite as the modern basis for a sovereign Tibet.
The above military intervention is left out of the official history, as we shall see later. And it is also not mentioned, as I posted in a previously that the Government in Lhasa had recourse to the British in India, when they incurred too heavy losses in the 1932, during the Sino-Tibetan war.

In the Wiki about the Anglo-Tibetan treaty they continue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet#cite_note-Powers82_3-46
The Amban later publicly repudiated the treaty, while Britain announced that it still accepted Chinese claims of authority over Tibet. Acting Viceroy Lord Ampthill reduced the indemnity by two-thirds and considerably eased the terms in other ways. The provisions of this 1904 treaty were revised in the Anglo-Chinese Convention of 1906.[43] The British, for a fee from the Qing court, also agreed "not to annex Tibetan territory or to interfere in the administration of Tibet", while China engaged "not to permit any other foreign state to interfere with the territory or internal administration of Tibet".[44][45][46]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_expedition_to_Tibet#cite_note-Powers82_3-46So rather than telling Tibet not to allow other influences, the British now make a deal with the Chinese, who obviously had the real power to stay out of Tibet. The above British-Qing dynasty agreement happened without the subjects in Lhasa knowing about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_Between_Great_Britain_and_China_Respecting_Tibet
The Convention Between Great Britain and China Respecting Tibet was a treaty signed between the Qing dynasty and the British Empire in 1906, without the knowledge of the Tibetan government. which nominally reaffirmed the Chinese possession of Tibet after the British expedition to Tibet in 1903–1904.
After the treaty between Lhasa and the British, there was an uprising by Tibetans in eastern Tibet/Yunnan province in 1905
The Tibetan rebellionof 1905
The Tibetan rebellion of 1905 in Yunnan province began with a series of attacks on Christian missionaries and converts and ended with the imperial Chinese government re-asserting control of the province.
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Under pressure from foreigners, the Qing Dynasty government allowed Christian missionaries into Tibetan Buddhist areas in Yunnan province. The Tibetan Lamas had long defied the rule of the Qing authorities and officials, and the Qing dynasty fought against a rebellion of the Lamas around 1905. The Tibetan Buddhist Lamas attacked and murdered Chinese officials, French Roman Catholic Priests from Paris Foreign Missions Society such as Jean-André Soulié or Jules Dubernard, and Christian converts in the area, in retaliation for the missionaries' success at converting the natives to Catholicism. The Buddhist Gelug (Yellow) Sect was primarily responsible for the revolt and deaths.
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The British invasion of Lhasa in 1904 had repercussions in the Tibetan Buddhist world,[13] causing extreme anti-western and anti-Christian sentiment among Tibetan Buddhists. The British invasion also triggered intense and sudden Qing intervention in Tibetan areas, to develop, assimilate, and bring the regions under strong Qing central control.[14] The Tibetan Lamas in Batang proceeded to revolt in 1905, massacring Chinese officials, French missionaries, and Christian Catholic converts. The Tibetan monks opposed the Catholics, razing the Catholic mission's Church, and slaughtering all Catholic missionaries and Qing officials.[15][16] The Manchu Qing official Fengquan was assassinated by the Tibetan Batang Lamas, along with other Manchu and Han Chinese Qing officials and the French Catholic priests, who were all massacred when the rebellion started in March 1905. Tibetan Gelugpa monks in Nyarong, Chamdo, and Litang also revolted and attacked missions and churches and slaughtered westerners.[17] The British invasion of Lhasa, the missionaries, and the Qing were linked, in the eyes of the Tibetans, as hostile foreigners to be attacked.[18] Zhongtian (Chungtien) was the location of the Batang monastery.[19] The Tibetans slaughtered the converts and torched the building of the missionaries in Batang due to their xenophobia.[20]
The Gelug sect were the ones primarily responsible and incidentally also those who held the official power in Tibet.

I looked up one area that was affected by the uprising https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batang_County and it has some interesting details:
The Abbé Auguste Desgodins, who was on a mission to Tibet from 1855 to 1870, wrote: "gold dust is found in all the rivers and even the streams of eastern Tibet". He says that in the town of Bathan or Batan, with which he was personally acquainted, there were about 20 people regularly involved in washing for gold in spite of the severe laws against it. Among other mines in this region of Tibet, Abbé Desgodins reported there were 5 gold mines and 3 silver mines being worked in the Zhongtian Province in the upper Yangtze Valley, 7 mines of gold, 8 of silver and several more of other metals in the upper Mekong Valley and mines of gold, silver, mercury, iron and copper in a large number of other districts. "It is no wonder than that a Chinese proverb speaks of Tibet as being at once the most elevated and the richest country in the world, and that the Mandarins are so anxious to keep Europeans out of it."[12]
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The Qing government in Beijing then appointed Zhao Erfeng, the Governor of Xining, "Army Commander of Tibet"[citation needed] to reintegrate Tibet into China. He was sent in 1905 (though other sources say this occurred in 1908)[15][16] on a punitive expedition and began destroying many monasteries in Kham and Amdo and implementing a process of sinification of the region:[17]

In February 1910 Zhao Erfeng invaded Lhasa to begin a process of reforms intended to break the control of the religious hierarchy. This invasion led to the Dalai Lama fleeing to India. The situation was soon to change, however, as, after the fall of the Qing dynasty in October 1911, Zhao's soldiers mutinied and beheaded him.[18]
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The bloodless occupation[citation needed] of Chamdo, the major city of the old Tibetan province of Kham, by the 40,000 man army of the People's Republic of China on October 19, 1950, when the whole region fell under Chinese control, served as an important precursor to the eventual defeat of the Lhasa government.[21] Chamdo's governor at the time of the occupation was Ngapoi Ngawang Jigme, who later became an official in the government of the People's Republic of China. The previous governor of Chamdo was Lhalu Tsewang Dorje.

The official story of Tibet of the Republic of China from 1912-1949
Below is the official story of the history of Tibet, which has left some disagreements out.
From dynasty to republic where one notices they refer to Sun Yat-Sen, who was also the guiding light for the Tibet Improvement Party and Kuomintang
Republic of China (1912-49)

In the autumn of 1911, revolution took place in China's interior, overthrowing the 270-year-old rule of the Qing Dynasty and establishing the Republic of China.

Upon its founding, the Republic of China declared itself a unified republic of the Han, Manchu, Mongol, Hui, Tibetan and other ethnic groups. In his inauguration statement on January 1, 1912, Sun Yat-sen, the provisional first president of the Republic of China, declared to the world: "The foundation of the country lies in the people, and the unification of lands inhabited by the Han, Manchu, Mongol, Hui and Tibetan people into one country means the unification of the Han, Manchu, Mongol, Hui and Tibetan into one people. It is called national unification."

In March, the Nanjing-based provisional senate of the Republic of China promulgated the republic's first constitution, the Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China, in which it was clearly stipulated that Tibet was a part of the territory of the Republic of China.

When the Chinese Kuomintang formed the national government in 1927 in Nanjing and held the national assembly in 1931, both the 13th Dalai Lama and the ninth Bainqen Erdeni sent representatives.

After the Nanjing national government was set up, a Commission for Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs was established in 1929 to handle the administrative affairs of the Tibetans, Mongolians and other ethnic minorities.

Despite the fact that incessant foreign aggression and civil wars weakened the central government of the Republic of China, it continued to grant honorific titles to the Dalai Lama and the Bainqen Erdeni. On many occasions the Dalai Lama and the Bainqen Erdeni expressed their support for national unification and for the central government.

The death of the 13th Dalai Lama in December 1933 was reported to the central government by the Tibetan local government in the traditional manner. The national government sent a special envoy to Tibet for the memorial ceremony.

The local Tibetan government also followed the age-old system in reporting to the central government all the procedures that should be followed in the search for the reincarnation of the late 13th Dalai Lama.

The present 14th Dalai Lama was born in Qinghai province. Originally named Lhamo Toinzhub, he was selected as one of the incarnate boys at age 2. After receiving a report submitted by the local Tibetan government in 1939, the central government ordered the Qinghai authorities to send troops to escort him to Lhasa.

After an inspection tour in Lhasa by Wu Zhongxin, chief of the Commission for Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs, in 1940, Chiang Kai-shek, then head of the central government, approved Tibetan Regent Razheng's request to waive the lot-drawing convention, and the chairman of the national government issued an official decree conferring the title of the 14th Dalai Lama on Lhamo Toinzhub.

People's Republic of China

The People's Republic of China was founded in 1949. In January 1950, the central government formally notified the local authorities of Tibet to "send delegates to Beijing to negotiate the peaceful liberation of Tibet".

The central government's adherence to the policy of peaceful negotiations greatly supported and inspired the patriotic forces in Tibet.

On May 23, 1951, the Agreement of the Central People's Government and the Local Government of Tibet on Measures for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet (also known as the 17-Article Agreement) was signed after the delegates of the central people's government and the Tibetan local government agreed on a series of questions concerning Tibet's peaceful liberation.

A conference of all ecclesiastic and secular officials and representatives of the three most prominent monasteries was called by the local Tibetan government between Sept 26 and 29, 1951, to discuss the agreement. A report to the Dalai Lama was approved at the end of the conference.

It stated: "The 17-Article Agreement that has been signed is of great and unrivaled benefit to the grand cause of the Dalai and to Buddhism, politics, economy and other aspects of life in Tibet.

"Naturally, it should be implemented."

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This post will be about the author of the book about Tibet that sold 3 million copies, followed by some comments on the views of Colin Goldner regarding the Dalai Lama and in particular how it came about that the Dalai Lama became so popular in the West, thanks in some measure to the assistance of a German politician, Petra Kelly.

In a previous post:
[...] Heinrich Harrer, and [..] Seven Years in Tibet, (pdf archive). [...]. His book came out in 1952 in German and in the two following years in the UK and the US. It was translated into 53 languages and sold 3 million copies. If its wide distribution may have had a mission in creating the narrative around Tibet, that later became important for political and religious reasons is possible.
The Wiki about Seven Years in Tibet also mentions:
Harrer describes the contemporary Tibetan culture in detail. Harrer subsequently became a tutor and friend of the 14th Dalai Lama. His obituary is here."[2]
Apparently it was only one hour per week.
About the author Heinrich Harrer as a person one learns, using a machine translation that he borrowed some pictures and claimed them as his own. Judenhass bis zum Schluss
Lehner: Did Heinrich Harrer also know Ernst Schäfer, the leader of your Tibet Expedition in 1938/39?

Beger: Yes. After returning from Tibet, Harrer once published a book about his most beautiful Tibet photographs. However, several pictures in this Harrer book are from our expedition. Then there was a very crude correspondence between Schäfer and Harrer, for Schäfer did not approve of this procedure. He did not like Harrer.

Lehner: Did you also know the native Tyrolean Peter Aufschnaiter, who marched with Harrer from North India to Tibet?

Beger: Yes, Aufschnaiter wrote me already from Lhasa. He said that Harrer and he had been so kindly received because of the way I impressed the Tibetans as a scientist.
To the above quote, one could add a link to a page with excerpt from the diaries about the expedition Schäfer and Berger were on. There are several black and white photos and also impressions of the people. A couple of them had family, one father, one husband who had been exposed to horrendous torture.

Another note; the above Berger is strongly criticised by Colin Goldner in Colin Goldner, Wissenschaftsautor: "Der Dalai Lama ist eine Witzfigur" He was Bruno Berger and the German Wiki has way more, but what Colin Goldner blames the Dalai Lama, is that he maintained a friendship with Berger who was involved with Nazi experiments. But then Berger did not do neither Tibet or the Dalai Lama any wrong. Berger had some medical skill and was much sought after while they stayed in Lhasa. This is evident from Tibet in 1938–1939: The Ernst Schäfer Expedition to Tibet It is as if in the eyes of Colin Goldner, there is no redemption, but then that is not surprising for an atheist.

Returning to Heinrich Harrer on Zwischen Hitler und Himalaya: Die Gedächtnislücken des Heinrich Harrer: Amazon.de: Gerald Lehner: Bücher there is a review in German which after a machine translation tells us that he did not question the ideals of his youth:
Originally Posted by REINHOLD MESSNER from the magazine "Alpin", Munich, September 1997: "I've always known about Harrer's SS membership and I do not think he should now make a rope out of it." Who was not there at the time? but do not understand: today, at the age of 85, he still glorifies the ideals of those days, why does he not question them? He still believes that what the Nazis preached is correct. I have repeatedly pointed out how much National Socialism is above all else rooted in mountaineering ...

So-called virtues, like those of the alpinists of that time, were synonyms for "the German"; Ideals like roped-up, mountain companionship, faithfulness to the death. Many of Hitler's ideas came into being in the minds of alpinists. The illegal Nazis of the thirties in Austria came mainly from mountain climbing. The huts in the mountains were conspiratorial meeting places where the connection was prepared. The Austrian Alpine Association still has a lot of educational work to do in this area. We alpinists should know that we have responsibility for the Nazi period. The case of Harrer reminded us. Alpinists had delivered food with their Berg-Heil ideals, with which National Socialist construction and war should succeed ...

I criticized Harrer in front of the camera for not having realized which lie hides behind the ideal of the roped party. In 1988, after 50 years, we celebrated the first ascent of the Eiger North Face in 1938. It came to a television scandal between Harrer and me. Again and again he emphasized that the "rope team" was the great value of his life. Again and again came from him the criticism that we boys could no longer rope for life, we lacked intensity, loyalty and perseverance. In the hack-hack with me about these ideals, he remained obdurate, reproachful, even offensive. It is the ideals of his youth, ideals of Nazi propaganda, and beyond that, his life-lies that make me perplexed. How can an old man lie to himself like that? Man is not hard as Krupp-steel, he is fragile and weak, makes mistakes. "
And from another page, the last paragraph above is followed by:
Harrer was an exceptionally enduring, tough guy. In humans and political affairs, I have concerns.[1] Tibet could be a free country today if the young Dalai Lama had a wise teacher and adviser in 1949, 1959 and 1951.
[1] The sentence: "In human and political affairs, I have concerns." was in the German "Beim Menschen und politischen Denker kommen mir Bedenken."

And from Gerald Lehner: ZWISCHEN HITLER UND HIMALAYA [www.BergNews.com]
Like no other Austrian, Heinrich Harrer achieved worldwide recognition. His 1952 bestseller "Seven Years in Tibet" made the former SS Oberscharführer the hero of a whole generation of adventure-loving young people.

His portrayals laid the foundations of today's Tibetan esotericism, for a gigantic business of tourism, longing and clichés far removed from the political and social realities of the Himalayan region.
The name Harrer was the epitome of a culture of admiration and glorification, in which a dispute over his commitment to the Third Reich and the background of the esoteric movement should have no place. Now, Lehner has collected his multi-year research results and draws a hitherto unknown image of mountaineering idol and his staging of the Nazi regime over Tibet to Hollywood.
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Asked after reading the book, what is more important Harrer the mountaineer or Harrer the Nazi sympathizer, I answer without hesitation: the mountaineer, his forgetting is finally forgiven.

Here is a German documentary from 1959 The Wiki says it was a 1956 documentary: Seven Years in Tibet (1956 film) - Wikipedia
An Austrian mountain-climber ends up as a prisoner-of-war, escapes and befriends Tibet's 14th Dalai Lama. Director: Hans Nieter
Writers: Mary Beales (additional dialogue), George Campey(additional dialogue) | 2 more credits »
Stars: Heinrich Harrer, Peter Aufschnaiter, The Dalai Lama
That was done in 1956; the stage was certainly set for publicity. And in all honesty it was a good story. One notices the original people participated. The Dalai Lama went on the screen for maybe the first time.
And there is the 1997 movie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Years_in_Tibet_(1997_film)To claim that Heinrich Harrer has contributed to the Tibet cause a la Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism is hardly a stretch.

(Colin Goldner: Behind the smile of the Dalai Lama (Lecture Univerity of Vianna 18.05.2012)):
Before making any comments, I should mention that Colin Goldner is a very convinced rationalist and one could say even material rationalist The critics, and some are Buddhist of course, are not all wrong. One who criticize his work is Colin Goldner, Tibet und der Dalai Lama: Rückblick einer Lesung im Club Voltaire von Herbert Rusche | Tibet-China | Propaganda written by Herbert Rusche, a founding member of "Die Grünen".
In Colin Goldner: »Speichellecken und Scheissefressen« | Urteil Oberlandesgericht Wien it turns out he has lost a court case in Wien, about whether a review of his book was too harsh.
The video by Goldner about Dalai Lama is also found on a German atheist web site. Colin Goldner - tibetischer Buddhimus
Two other articles:
A information about his book is:
Colin Goldner is author of Dalai Lama: Fall eines Gottkönigs: Amazon.de: Colin Goldner: Bücher
The Dalai Lama enjoys a high reputation worldwide, and is associated with nonviolence, love of animals, ecological consciousness, and deep understanding based on infinite serenity (as well as the Buddhism he represents). Colin Goldner takes a look behind this facade. He traces the life of the 14th Dalai Lama since his birth (1935) and "discovery." Chronologically, the author presents the different stages of the spiritual and political leadership of the Tibetans in unifying God King: his education in the monastery, the time after the Chinese invasion (1949), the flight to India (1959), where still today the exile Tibetan government has her seat (Dharamsala), his rise to media star and the cult figure of the esoteric scene. In addition, a series of "excursuses" provide background information on specific aspects of Buddhist teaching, Tibetan history, or the biography of the Dalai Lama. It shows that the prevailing image of Tibet and Buddhism in the West is highly idealized. For the living conditions under the dictatorship of the "yellow-cap" monks were pathetic, through the history of Lamaism runs a trail of blood in the monasteries are four-year-old boy subjected to crazy exercises, the tantric rituals reminiscent of sexual abuse. The doctrine of Tibetan Buddhism is marked by inhumane notions about "karma" and a supposedly higher "justice" of all beings (who is sick today, who is ill, exploited and tortured, who has accomplished this through his previous lives) and mastered from a devious demon belief. The statements of the Dalai Lama testify to the absolute lack of understanding for the questions that were to be asked at the end of the twentieth century: his "wisdom" turned out to be meaningless, sometimes even embarrassing, public places; In many cases, the utterances of "His Holiness" are permeated by questionably right-leaning ideas. For the new edition, the book has been extensively revised and expanded and supplemented in the biographical part by the period since the first publication in 1999. After reading the book, many people will have to revise their image of the Dalai Lama and the Buddhism embodied by him.
One point Goldner makes is that Tibetan Buddhism is Vajrayana Buddhism, a branch of Mahayana Buddhism which he claims is more ritualistic than the older form, Hinayana Buddhism. On this page there is an overview Branches of Buddhism
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What caught my attention in the video was what Colin Goldner says about how the Dalai Lama became known in Europe. It is around (min 25-30). He mentions a German politician, Petra Kelly, as one of the founding members of the German Green party "Die Grünen", incidentally just like Herbert Rusche, mentioned earlier.

According to Goldner, Kelly met the Dalai Lama at a book fair in Frankfurt in 1982, became impressed and after that she travelled frequently to Dharamsala. Kelly instructed him and prepared him for a career in the West. Until then the interest of young seekers of the West had been mostly in the direction of Indian gurus, and Goldner mentions Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh/Osho, Sai Baba, Muktananda and Bhaktivedanta - Hare Krishna as examples. In the beginning of the 1980'ies nobody went to Dharamshala, nobody knew the Dalai Lama, but Petra Kelly told the Dalai Lama what he should say and what he should not say in the West. Soon after Kelly was a co-organizer of a New Age Conference in Alpbach, Austria in 1984 (Wiki says 1983 - btw Heinrich Harrer also is from Austria). At the conference were present some luminaries in the field of research and promotion of the links between religion, science and consciousness, like Fritjof Capra (Tao of Physics), Rupert Sheldrake (morphogenic fields), Francisco Varela, Marie-Louise von Franz (student of Carl Jung) and Carl Friedrich von Weizsäcker (physicist and philosopher). Following this event the Dalai Lama was promoted as a Spiritual superstar in a German magazin about esoteric matters.

To get an idea of the results of this seemingly staged and scripted beginning there is: 14th Dalai Lama - Wikipedia
His growing wish to develop meaningful scientific dialogue to explore the Buddhism and science interface led to invitations for him to attend relevant conferences on his visits to the west, including the Alpbach Symposia on Consciousness in 1983 where he met and had discussions with the late Chilean neuroscientist Francisco J. Varela.[108] Also in 1983, the American social entrepreneur and innovator R. Adam Engle,[111] who had become aware of the Dalai Lama's deep interest in science, was already considering the idea of facilitating for him a serious dialogue with a selection of appropriate scientists.[112] In 1984 Engle formally offered to the Dalai Lama's office to organise a week-long, formal dialogue for him with a suitable team of scientists, provided that the Dalai Lama would wish to fully participate in such a dialogue.[113] Within 48 hours the Dalai Lama confirmed to Engle that he was "truly interested in participating in something substantial about science" so Engle proceeded with launching the project.[113] Francisco Varela, having heard about Engle's proposal, then called him to tell him of his earlier discussions with the Dalai Lama and to offer his scientific collaboration to the project.[113] Engle accepted, and Varela assisted him to assemble his team of six specialist scientists for the first 'Mind and Life' dialogue on the cognitive sciences,[114] which was eventually held with the Dalai Lama at his residence in Dharamsala in 1987.[108][113] This five-day event was so successful that at the end the Dalai Lama told Engle he would very much like to repeat it again in the future.[115] Engle then started work on arranging a second dialogue, this time with neuroscientists in California, and the discussions from the first event were edited and published as Mind and Life's first book, "Gentle Bridges: Conversations with the Dalai Lama on the Sciences of Mind".[116]

A few details about Petra Kelly may be relevant for evaluating the case. She was born to a German couple, her father left, and her mother married a US military officer. They moved to the US where she went to highschool and studied political science at the American University in Washington, D.C. Her M.A. in European Studies she got from the University of Amsterdam in the Netherlands. Throughout this time she was politically active. She was, as mentioned, a cofounder of the Green Party and a member of the German parliament until 1990, when she passed away after she first became seriously ill and later was shot dead by her partner Gert Bastian, who then shot himself, or so the investigation concluded. Bastian was a retired major general who for a few years time also was member of Die Grünen and in the German parliament.
 
In this post, one topic is the Nobel Peace prize the Dalai Lama received in 1989 and what went before it. Then comes late life reflections from former CIA administrators of the assistance given the Tibetan resistance. Finally, there are some reflections on the case of Tibet and possible implications for Europeans and their traditional cultures.

In the previous post I mentioned the role of Petra Kelly in bringing about conditions that led to the fame of the Dalai Lama. In the video by Colin Goldner, he also mentions she worked on his nomination to receive the Nobel Piece Price in 1989. This the Dalai Lama received and as suggested by Goldner related to the Tiananmen square protests in China in June the same year. In The Tiananmen Square 'Massacre' - Facts, Fiction and Propaganda -- Sott.net there is:
A Wikileaks cable from July 1989 also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: "They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students ... until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument."

It is true, of course, that about 200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing around June 4th 1989 - but about half of those who died were soldiers and police officers.

But what about the iconic "tank man"? Well, if you watch the whole video, you can see that the tanks stopped and let the man jump on the tank. He eventually walks away unharmed. In fact, there are almost no pictures or videos of soldiers actually shooting at or killing people (which doesn't mean it didn't happen, but it's a point to keep in mind).

Propaganda involves not only exaggeration, but also omission. Western media now rarely show pictures of tanks and military vehicles burned down or Chinese soldiers brutally killed by the Beijing protesters.

In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: "Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus."
On TibetChinaAccuracyProject.com there is a list of recommended books. This person, born to ethnic Chinese has been seeking high and low to find the objective truest knowledge about Tibet and its history. On the above page he includes this comment on a book with the title: "The Snow Lion and the Dragon: China, Tibet, and the Dalai Lama (1997)" written by Melvy C. Goldstein, a prolific scholar many of whose publications and even books one can find on his website.
"The Tibet Question...is a conflict about nationalism - an emotion-laden debate over whether political units should directly parallel ethnic units. This questions pits the right of a “people” (Tibetans) to self-determination and independence against the right of a multiethnic state (the People’s Republic of China) to maintain what it sees as its historic territorial integrity.”

Melvyn Goldstein obviously loves the Tibetan culture & people. He speaks the language and through his academic field work, has resided in Tibet for over two years at the time of the publication of this book. Yet, despite his sympathy towards Tibetans, he makes good faith attempts to adopt a “realpolitik” approach toward this conundrum.

Goldstein points to at least one key opportunity for genuine rapprochement - a secret invitation extended to the Dalai Lama in January 1989 to come to Beijing, ostensibly to attend the funeral of the Panchen Lama, but really to consider ways out of the political impasse over Tibet. It appears that the Dalai Lama declined this back-door diplomatic channel for political expediency’s sake, possibly under duress from the Tibetan Government in Exile. According to Goldstein, this lost opportunity may well have sealed China’s continuing mistrust of His Holiness the Dalai Lama.
The question is what forces really prevented this rapproachment from taking place? One does not fail to notice that a few month later there was the Tiananmen riots, and that the Dalai Lama later was given a Nobel Prize as if to put more focus on the "Tibetan cause". Another book reviewed on the same page is

The CIA support of the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan resistance
On the issue of Dalai Lama receiving money from the CIA there are some more links that allows to bring in more details of the surrounding events:
The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.

The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.
Secret Files: Untold Story of CIA Covert Operations in Tibet This article from 2016 comments on the news brought by the New York article from 1998.
According to Jonathan Mirsky, a historian of China, the CIA program finally ended with President Richard Nixon's visit to China in 1972.

Still, in the early 1970s the CIA continued to allocate funds directly to the Dalai Lama, however, the amount of these subsidies remains shrouded in secrecy.

"In 1999, I asked the Dalai Lama if the CIA operation had been harmful for Tibet," Mirsky wrote in 2013, 'Yes, that is true,' he replied. The intervention was harmful, he suggested, because it was primarily aimed at serving American interests rather than helping the Tibetans in any lasting way. 'Once the American policy toward China changed, they stopped their help,' he told me, 'Otherwise our struggle could have gone on'."
But if the CIA had not backed the Dalai Lama, would he have received a Nobel Prize in 1989. Probably not and further down, there are statements from former CIA officer who mention the success of the Dalai Lama as a result of the aid they gave to the resistance and him.

Next are some noteworthy remarks in book by Thondup, the elder brother of the Dalai Lama, and Thurston in review by Jonathan Mirsky: From diplomacy to disillusion with the Dalai Lama’s big brother
The narrative shifts from one country to another as Thondup bargains, argues and makes deals about Tibet’s fate, occasionally seeking approval from the Dalai Lama. He moves, also, from hope to disillusion, as he is wooed, coaxed, tempted and invariably let down. He never misses an opportunity to blast the Tibetan upper class for its naivety, corruption and blindness to the realities. Finally, giving up, he moves with his wife to Kalimpong and settles down to noodle-making — thus giving the book its faux-modest title.

If one wishes to understand Gyalo Thondup’s story, the central dilemma, Thurston seems to be saying, is OK, this is his version, there are other more believable Tibetans — she gives their names, especially one who is ‘a man of exceptional integrity’ — but my job here is to write what Thondup tells me. She mentions Rashomon, the Japanese film in which different actors recall an event in different ways.
Near the end of this book Thondup admits that dealing with the CIA was the greatest mistake of his tumultuous life. But he insists that the Dalai Lama was not aware of the CIA’s Tibetan operation at the time— or almost not, or almost certainly not. In fact, the Dalai Lama has admitted on several occasions, including to the leading Tibetanist Melvyn Goldstein, and even to me, that he knew of the American connection even before his escape to India in 1959, and has made plain that he regarded it as ‘harmful’. His one proviso was:
They [the resistance] eventually cleared southern Tibet of the Chinese. They did this with CIA help. Without the CIA they couldn’t have done that clearing, and without the clearing I wouldn’t have been able to escape from Lhasa across the mountains into India. And if I hadn’t escaped from Tibet, the situation there would have been even worse.
So why not just skip this book? Because Thondup has met and interacted with some of Asia’s most significant leaders, and his impressions make them come alive, although we should we keep our credibility detectors well-charged. He will win few friends among supporters of the Tibetan cause by saying:

I think we Tibetans need to make more of an effort to understand the Chinese mentality. If we do not, we will always be going to have trouble. We get ourselves in unnecessary trouble by doing things our way without regard to the other side.
Thondup is married to a Chinese woman, so maybe she has convinced him to soften up, and although Jonathan Mirsky indirectly blames Thondup for letting the Tibetan perhaps one could contrast the view of Mirsky with the life of a person who did not give up, one who fled and went back to Tibet and worked hard to help his people as best as he could. It is Tashi Tsering whose book is reviewed on TibetChinaAccuracyProject.com
The Struggle for Modern Tibet: The Autobiography of Tashi Tsering
by Tashi Tsering (1997)
An eye-opener of real life in Tibet.
Born in 1929 in a small, country village, Tashi Tsering initially tells of his escape from his impoverished, rural background through acceptance as a dancer into the Dalai Lama's dance troupe. He questions the troupe's harsh training including whippings. Eventually, Tashi becomes a drombo, or a sexual companion to a higher, senior monk who also becomes his mentor. Tsering, however, describes this as culturally acceptable within the monastery system and even beneficially to drombos such as himself.

Later, he is given a civil servant position in the administration department of the Potala Palace. There, he witnesses the cozy corruption endemic to a theocracy ruled by both aristocratic families and powerful monasteries. He describes an aristocrat routinely walking into the Treasurey and "borrowing loans" from public taxes - but without documentation, or signatures, and no commitment to repay.

Later, he leaves for India and works with one of the Dalai Lama's brother to organize international support for an independent Tibet under the governance of the Dalai Lama. But Tsering discovers that despite his unstinting and successful efforts, it is the aristocratic exiles that obtain all the key, leadership positions. Because of his peasant, rural roots, he realizes that he would never be treated as an equal by the Tibetan exile leadership, and never promoted within the government in exile. He resigns.

In his remarkably candid and clear way, Tsering continues to chronicle his oagenda free observations and insights into Tibet, the Tibetan exile community, life in the United States, and ultimately, back to China and Tibet again - to where he returns to continue a personal project, the spreading of education to rural Tibetan children. Unfortunately, he is initally imprisoned for years under suspicion of being an agent for the Free Tibet Movement or the CIA or both. Eventually, he is cleared, released, and he spent the rest of his years organizing schools for rural Tibetans.
From the above and gets the impressioni some kind of ponerization had set in.

At he end the writer compares the life of this man with one of the same name who lowered the Chinese flag, was beaten, put in prison and "committed suicide" and one young man who set himself one fire. Who was of greater benefit to society?
Being patriotic by collaborating with the enemy?
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This obituary appeared in the Jan-Feb 2015 edition of Tibetan Review.
Tashi Tsering, 1929-2014. (Photo courtesy: Wang Lixiong)
Tashi Tsering, 1929-2014. (Photo courtesy: Wang Lixiong)


Tashi Tsering, 1929-2014

OBITUARY


“Old” Tibet was devoid of self-made men. Your fate was sealed at birth and, as a result of deeds from your previous lives, supposed to be accepted with humility, whether you were peasant, nomad or aristocrat. The only way to amend it was to become a monk. Social class promotion of an individual could happen exclusively when, at the will of heavens or due to some political maneuvers, an important tulku was recognized in his family.

In that environment Tashi Tsering was a black sheep. Born in 1929 in a small village called Guchok, about a hundred miles west of Lhasa, he entertained an unusual dream: learning to read and write. Most probably he would have never fulfilled it. However, at the age of 13, he was luckily chosen to become a gadrugba, a member of the Dalai Lama’s personal dance troupe.

Lhasa was a place of greater opportunities than Guchok, although pursuing strange desires was not easy there either. At the dance school – as he noted in his autobiography, The Struggle for Modern Tibet, written with Melvyn Goldstein and William Siebenschuh – he was frequently whipped or beaten by teachers for minor infractions, and sexually abused by a well-connected monk.

After the end of his gadrugba term, and thanks to his literacy and connections, Tashi Tsering secured a job in the Potala treasure house. Soon his thirst for better education took him to India. After the 1959 uprising in Lhasa thousands of Tibetans followed there. At the request of the Dalai Lama’s brother Gyalo Thondup, Tashi Tsering took to recording refugees’ statements. Later, in Calcutta (Kolkata), he guarded the silver coins secured by the exiled rulers from the Potala’s vault.

But he still wanted more. To continue his studies, he went to the United States. He could have stayed there and run a comfortable life of an academic. Instead, in 1964, he did something Gyalo Thondup and all his friends called “madness”: he returned to Chinese-occupied Tibet.

Tashi Tsering was convinced thatto change, his country needed revolution, and if is a red one, so be it. In other words, Tibet could become a modernized society based on socialist, egalitarian principles only through cooperation with the Chinese

During the Cultural Revolution, he, like many other Tibetans, joined Red Guards; but soon he was himself denounced as an American spy. Arrested in 1967, he spent six years in prison or doing forced labour. He was officially exonerated in 1978 and promoted from being a manual worker to an “intellectual”; and he came back to Lhasa.

Once a learner, teaching now became his obsession. He managed to compile his masterpiece: a Tibetan-Chinese-English language dictionary. Next, disappointed by the inability of the communist government to provide universal education to Tibetans, he pushed his way to build schools. The first one was in his family village; dozens others followed over the years. Tashi Tsering and his American friends granted funds, local governments gave building materials, and the local people provided land and work force.

In post-Maoist but still Chinese-occupied Tibet, Tashi Tsering became a part of the establishment. He received professorship of English at the Tibet University in Lhasa and a seat at the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference of the Tibet Autonomous Region – a ceremonial gathering of local celebrities collaborating with Chinese authorities. And he kept praising the “progressive” government.

I met Tashi Tsering in the summer of 2001 in a tiny chang bar on the Lhasa Barkhor Square, managed by his reportedly illiterate wife.

The situation with education is good; everyone can learn, prof. Tsering said, while the vigorous women in traditional striped apron filled our cups up with a white, muddy liquid as soon as a single drop disappeared in our mouths. The biggest problem, he said, was that less and less Tibetans wanted to learn Tibetan language; they don’t find it useful.

I asked him where would Tibet be today without the Chinese invasion. At the same place where it was 60 years ago: in feudal, backward, dirty pit, he said, and set about exalting Chinese for building roads and airports.

Why the situation in Tibet is so tense? I asked. But his response was, “Well, the situation is normal, Tibet is developing fast…”

I did not hear irony in his voice. But there was no doubt that Tashi Tsering was feeling uncomfortable, and he betrayed it by stretching his limbs, rubbing glasses, looking around. He didn’t want to tell me to go away, because I came with a recommendation of a person he esteemed. At the same time he didn’t want to show that he was avoiding sensitive subjects – why would he? Tibet is free and he is a local VIP.

“We, Tibetans,” he said, “have no other choice but to accept the Chinese rule and try to save all we can of our culture.”

Sounds familiar… “It means,” I responded, “you support the ‘middle way’ of the Dalai Lama, who wants cultural autonomy for Tibet within China?”

“Yes, yes. Excuse me, but I am expecting someone.” With that the professor got up and it was time to leave.

When I came to see Tashi Tsering again several years later, he was even less keen to talk. I asked him how the schools construction went. “Fairly good, though now local authorities care less for private sponsors, because they get more funds from Beijing”.

He gifted me a DVD of a documentary about him made by a Chinese TV channel, and a leaflet on his school projects in Namling County. I could read on the leaflet read: “most of the children born in this mountainous region will never satisfy their persistent thirst for knowledge”.

“Don’t you think, sir, that something is wrong when after more than half a century of ruling Tibet, China is inept at securing basic education for several tens of thousands of rural children?” Tashi Tsering never answered my e-mail with this question. But I am sure that he was frustrated too. In a preface to a 2011 edition of his autobiography published by the Library of Tibetan Works and Archives in Dharamsala, Tashi Tsering called on his “dear fellow countrymen of the Han nationality” for “setting up an educational system using Tibetan language as the main medium of instruction in Tibet… This is a basic human right of Tibetan people”.

None of my interlocutors in Tibet whispered any critical word of Tashi Tsering. Collaborating with the Chinese authorities is widely accepted there. “There is no choice,” the Tibetans say, “We need to try as much as possible to change the system from inside”. The red line, beyond which the collaborator should expect ostracism, is attacking His Holiness – and to my knowledge Tashi Tsering has never crossed it.

All his life he stuck to his beliefs and goals. Taking easy on the principles would have brought him much more material comfort, but, unlike some other high-placed Tibetans, he did not seek much profit for himself. Until his last days he used to wear, out of sentiment more than necessity, his darned coat brought from America in the 1960s.

You can find more famous Tibetans of his name. Like Tashi Tsering from Lhoka prefecture, who on 26 August 1999 lowered the Chinese national flag in front of the Potala Palace in Lhasa. He was arrested and beaten, and later reportedly committed suicide in his cell.

Another Tashi Tsering, a 22-year-old nomad from Achok, Gansu Province, was recorded as the first Tibetan to set himself on fire in 2013.

My personal conviction is that what Professor Tashi Tsering did through 85 years of his life, before he passed away in Lhasa on December 5, was more beneficial for his countrymen than what the other two of his namesakes did. However… In Tibetan Buddhism each deity has a benign and a wrathful form. Maybe all Tashi Tserings are emanations of the same deity of patriotism?

* Robert Stefanicki is the author of a non-fiction book “Czerwony Tybet” (Red Tibet), based on his several journeys to the Land of Snows, recently published in Poland and awaiting translation opportunities.
For a different approach but also a solution. https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0325b0-a2da-11e7-b573-8ec86cdfe1ed_story.html


Above there was the quote from Mirsky's article about letting different actors tell their story. Below are some perspectives of how this aid was perceived by those in the CIA who administered the giving and those who recieved it among the resistance fighters, as well as the opinion of a few authors on the subject. I watched all of the clips, they are short and cut just to give the person time to express essential points and opinions.

In this video CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 10: Roger McCarthy, author of
Tears of the Lotus: Accounts of Tibetan Resistance to the Chinese Invasion, 1950-1962 mentioned that Korean war and the Chinese invasion of Tibet are related:
After months of failed negotiations,[52] attempts by Tibet to secure foreign support and assistance,[53] PRC and Tibetan troop buildups, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) crossed the Jinsha River on 6 or 7 October 1950.[54][55]
And Korean War - Wikipedia
On 4 August 1950, with a planned invasion of Taiwan aborted due to the heavy US naval presence, Mao reported to the Politburo that he would intervene in Korea when the People's Liberation Army's (PLA) Taiwan invasion force was reorganized into the PLA North East Frontier Force.[201] On 8 October 1950, Mao redesignated the PLA North East Frontier Force as the People's Volunteer Army (PVA).[202]
Korean War - Wikipedia
In other w
ords, before going into Korea, China secured their backdoor, the Tibetan Plateau in the west, otherwise they could easily have ended up with a two front war. And if they only had secured the backdoor but not gone into Korea, then they had not demonstrated they were ready for the battle. Roger McCarthy mentions that if the Americans should have gone in, they should have done it in 1950 or 1951, but they were busy with the Korean war and after that the Chinese had already built the roads to the west and the south, probably meaning that they could quickly respond to border activity because their supply lines were strong.

In CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 1: Clay Cathey explains the dilemma of action in relation to Tibet and the involvement of the CIA. His position is that if one does not do anything because of a fear of someone getting killed, then one will end up in a situation of advocating a passivity where nothing is worth believing in. His opinion is that those (in the US) who critizise the CIA aid to the Tibetan resistance are people who are secure in their lives and have never faced a situation where their values are threatened and people around them are being killed left and right.

The same person has made three short Youtubes about the escape of the Dalai Lama as told by those who aided the operation. Basically they sneaked out of the country, travelled near the ridges of the mountains while the Chinese were running around on the roads below to try and catch them. They didn't even though the escape lasted two weeks.



In CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 2: Lhasang Tsering, one former resistance fighter says that without the support from the CIA the Dalai Lama would not have gotten out.

In CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 3: George Patterson an author of books on Tibet says that the CIA impact in Tibet was disastrous. He suggests there were two opinions in the U.S. State Department about whether to support China or be antagonistic to China.

In CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 4: Doma Norbu a daughter of a Tibetan resistance fighter who was a trainer of Tibetan fighters in the US, says that the decision to stop the support was felt like a betrayal, many committed suicide, but she mentions that the interpersonal relations with those who trained them were very good, the same is heard in a couple of the other clips from some of the CIA officers who trained them. At the end she develops the idea that in life there is both good and bad, which is how she balances her mixed feelings about the value of the support given.

CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 5: Bruce Walker
He says it was not a success, but it proved to the world that the Chinese were ready to commit genocide and that the Tibetans were ready to fight for their ideals, ready die for them and ready to kill Chinese. He thinks it has created a bond between the Tibetan people and the American people that is still there, but was not there before.

CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 6: Donyo Jagortsang
AKA the Prince of Derge, Donyo Jagortsang was a Commander in the Chushi Gangdruk (the Tibetan resistance army) and CIA-trained in the US at Camp Hale, Colorado. After being air-dropped into Pembar late in 1959, he and his teammates unexpectedly encountered a massive air and ground attack by the Chinese PLA, which eventually killed tens of thousands of Tibetan fighters and families gathered there. Out of his Camp Hale class of 18, only 5 survived it. Jagortsang fought his way out of Tibet, and left the CIA operation after making it to India in 1960.

For more see CIA Tibetan program - Wikipedia or https://www.historynet.com/cias-secret-war-in-tibet.htm which has:

Eighteen more guerrillas were dropped in September 1959 near Chagra Pembar, 200-plus miles northeast of Lhasa, to train a native force gathered in a tent city with their families and the livestock on which they depended. Eventually the force reached 35,000 Tibetans. This was a feudal culture whose tribes gathered in the same way they had for 1,000 years. Amid the bleating animals and the sea of blue smoke from cooking fires, at least two of the Tibetan teams radioed for more support.

By now the massive, tumultuous Tibetan camp at Chagra Pembar was a real problem. Guerrillas cannot operate effectively with such encumbrances, and CIA coordinators tried frantically to convince the fighters to disperse into smaller units in order to operate more flexibly and present less of a target. Within a month, the inevitable happened. A veteran of Chagra Pembar, Dechen (surnames are not always used in Tibet) described the attack: ‘A Chinese plane came in the morning and dropped leaflets which told us to surrender and warned us not to listen to the ‘imperialist’ Americans. After that, every day, some fifteen jets came. They came in groups of five, in the morning, at midday and at 3 or 4 o’clock in the afternoon. Each jet carried fifteen to twenty bombs. We were in the high plains so there was nowhere to hide. The five jets made quick rounds and killed animals and men.’ Thousands of men, women and children were killed, both at Chagra Pembar and at another gathering site called Nira Tsogeng. Artillery barrages topped off the aerial bombings. Only five of the Chagra Pembar parachutists survived; the rest died in the Chinese attacks or were hunted down later.

This disaster was even worse when the Chinese bombed the large encampment at Nira Tsogeng, where the CIA had dropped 430 pallets of weapons and other supplies to 4,000 Tibetan fighters. Saddled with their dependents and some 30,000 animals, the surviving resistance fled across the desolate plain of Ladakh, where most died for lack of water.

Meanwhile, however, China’s collectivization of Tibet was taking a grisly toll. Newly built roads and airfields had allowed the PLA to bury the country in troops and equipment. Ancient monasteries and temples were systematically destroyed; tens of thousands of civilians, including monks and nuns, were killed, raped, scalded and imprisoned. Famine rumbled across the ‘roof of the world.’ Altogether 1.2 million Tibetans died, either at the hands of the soldiers or from the Chinese starvation strategy. ‘We should have committed ourselves earlier,’ McCarthy said, ‘before the Chinese got those roads and airstrips built, and before they established their lines of communications so thoroughly.’
In an odd sense it is as if the decimation of Tibetans, if that was ever a strategy by any Chinese official was helped along by the military aid given to the Tibetans, many of whom had, due to a lack education beyond being able to tend yak, sheep, recite a few prayers and know a couple of rituals a very immature understanding of the real world outside of Tibet. On the other hand many of those who fought and died probably did so for something they believed in and along with people they felt connected to.

CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 7: Mikel Dunham
Mikel Dunham, the author of "Buddha''s Warriors: The Story of The CIA-Backed Tibetan Freedom Fighters, the Chinese Communist Invasion, and the Ultimate Fall of Tibet", shares his thoughts on the CIA's impact.

As part of his answer, he brings up a major intelligence find for the US, when over 1,600 Chinese documents were captured by Tibetan guerrillas in 1961. Showing classified information on the PLA's activities inside Tibet and China, the documents were published in 1966 as "The Politics of The Chinese Red Army", by Stanford's Hoover Institution. [...]

CIA Impact on Tibet? Part 8: Ken Knaus and John Greaney
Knaus says that it gave the Tibetans support at a critical time that allowed them to build their own case. And that the Dalai Lama has done great in promoting the Tibetan cause. Greaney says that one success was to convince India to give asylum to the Tibetans that fled Tibet.

In the Tsering Shakya Interview the author of "The Dragon in the Land of Snows", explains that the idea of Tibet as a peaceful country of Buddhists and monks that was invaded by a big powerful country was a powerful image that was useful for gaining sympathy for the Tibetan cause. Essentially this image was wrong and misguided. Tsering mentions that in fact their had previously been many internal struggles between monks and also struggles with China, some monasteries had powerful militias. To fight was not something they needed to be told, there were no moral predicaments to be overcome. Tsering explains there were various groups of resistance that eventually joined up in Central Tibet and formed Chushi Gandruk. Whereas the CIA imagined they would fight around their location in Central Tibet, they said no, they wanted to fight in Kham which is near the border with China and were many came from.

The case of Tibet and perspectives on the present situation in Western Eurasia and the EU
Although one may criticise this or that party in the issue about Tibet, perhaps the following documentary about the Silk Road, will, without mentioning Tibet still gives an some understanding of what some or many Tibetans experienced as a big change in thier lives
The New Silk Road, Part 1: From China to Pakistan | DW Documentary
The above video may also serve as an invitation to reflect on the development that takes place in China, surrounding areas and beyond. Will Western Eurasia / Europe for example end up like Cambodia, or the old mud-clayed area of a town in the Uygur district, or resist change as did the Tibetans aided by their illusory hopes that US, one of the powerful forces in WW2, would come and help them enough to make a difference? After having watched the video about the New Silk Road, it is tempting, for a European at least, to conclude they should be prepared for China, as they are told to expect in some medias and politicians, but what if the real decisive initiative comes from another corner? Is the present relation of some countries in Europe with the US so much different from that of Tibet with China after the invasion in 1950 or even 1959 - US troops are stationed in Europe for our security we are told and since 1945, but the US keeps finding excuses and create circumstances for extending the stay, and many of the IT servers that keep the digital society going are located in the US. European leaders too often demonstrated that they lack the power to realise independent and legitimate intentions even when such exist. The acceptance of US led sanctions against Russia which serve no business interests of the EU at all, is just one example, and the US initiated tension and trade block of Iran is another. If anyone would counter saying that at least there is not much of Tibetan Buddhist culture to destroy in Europe, then consider the parallel in the increasing number of churches in Europe being vandalized and burned, as well as the promotion of norms that are at great odds with traditional Christian values and the arrival of people, whether being born or moving in, for whom these values do not seem to resonate.
 
This post has a comment on the claim that money was brought out of Tibet after 1950. However trying to answer this question raised others that were more complicated, because it revealed a split in the Tibetan Buddhist community between a fraction of the Gelug school that insists on a certain practice exclusive to itself and then the remaining Geluk school including the Dalai Lama and all the other schools. The complication of this research was the discovery that some practitioners claim some groups of Tibetan Buddhism are cult-like. Again while trying to uncover more about this issue, it turned out there have also been cases of outright abuse. Over all it seems the Tibetans Buddhists are weaker today.

Did money go out of Tibet?
The current Dalai Lama ordered his treasuries to be removed to his exile place. 800 pack animals transported all those treasuries out to his exile. That was all being done with the help of his two CIA brothers. The Dalai Lama was paid by the US about 200 000 € a year. The CIA was also the main instigator of the rebellion against China.
On the above issue, there is a pdf where there are quotes from someone who claimed to have participated in the transfer, coming from a book mentioned in a previous post:
The Struggle for Modern Tibet: The Autobiography of Tashi Tsering
by Tashi Tsering (1997)
The quotes from the above book are from pages 57,58 and 63:
„In 1950, when it had seemed like a Chinese invasion was imminent, the Dalai Lama's substantial stocks of gold and silver had been transported out of the country to safety in Sikkim. During the 1950s, though the Dalai Lama himself was in Tibet, the gold and silver remained in one of the storehouses of the maharaja of Sikkim. The Chinese had asked for its return but had not made an issue of it at the time. Following the Lhasa Uprising and the flight of the Dalai Lama, they claimed that the money was not the Dalai Lama's personal fortune but belonged to the country--which they now considered to belong to them. At that point the Tibetan leaders decided it was time to secure their treasure more permanently and farther away from the border; and because of my association with Gyalola [Gyalo Thondup, the Dalai Lama‟s brother], I found myself involved. It was quite an operation.‟

„The gold and silver were in the form of coins and ingots. When I became involved, the gold and silver were being hand-loaded onto trucks in Gangtok, the capital of Sikkim, and driven south to Siliguri, the location of the nearest airstrip. At the airport the literally millions of dollars' worth of gold were loaded onto Dakota cargo planes and flown to Calcutta.‟

„When this precious cargo reached Calcutta, the gold was immediately put into the banks. But for a while the silver was stored in a single room on the third floor of a trusted Tibetan merchant's house. It was my responsibility to stand guard over it, and for nearly a month I stood sentinel in a silent room full of coins and odd pieces of silver.‟
[...]
„I was still disillusioned and angry about what I had seen going on in the treasury office in Lhasa. The ordinary people sent their taxes and tribute in the form of money and goods, and both monk and lay officials just took what they wanted. There were ledgers filled with accounts of tea bricks, butter, cloth, gold, and silver. I saw the records that showed that the more powerful monks, especially those from aristocratic families and the Dalai Lama's household, "borrowed" any of these things they wished and never returned them. There was no overall record, no auditing. The officials and their friends and family could come in and take anything they fancied. I saw them doing so with my own eyes.‟
I could not find any confirmation of the above claims, but it's plausible. Next to the internal conflict that surfaced. The source of the the above document, where the quotes were included, was published by a now defunct organisation Western Shugden Society.

The Dolgyal-Shugden controversy
It puzzled me who would be interested in writing such a critique and what their motives were, or if they were reliable? Reliable they probably were; there motives turned out to be fueled by an internal conflict in the Tibetan Buddhist community that had a beginning in the 1970'ies, but only became open in the mid 1990'ies. About the Western Shugden Society, the Wiki mentioned:
Robert Barnett of Columbia University is critical of the WSS:
I also made it clear that the Western Shugden group's allegations are problematic: they are akin to attacking the Pope because some lay Catholics somewhere abuse non-believers or heretics. The Western Shugden Group is severely lacking in credibility, since its form of spirit-worship is heterodox, provocative and highly sectarian in Buddhist terms and so more than likely to be banned from mainstream monasteries – [...][2]
Sectarian because it is very much associated with the Gelug sect, that used to be the leading sect.
And from Georges Dreyfus, from the Williams College there is: The Tibetan and Himalayan Library
[...]First, as I have shown elsewhere,16 the propitiation of Shukden as a Geluk protector is not an ancestral tradition, but a relatively recent invention of tradition associated with the revival movement within the Geluk spearheaded by Pabongkha (1878-1941). Second, in this dispute the Dalai Lama’s position does not stem from his Buddhist modernism and from a desire to develop a modern nationalism, but from his commitment to another protector, Nechung, who is said to resent Shukden. Thus, this dispute is not between followers of a traditional popular cult and a modernist reformer who tries to discredit this cult by appealing to modern criteria of rationality. Rather, it is between two traditional or clan-based interpretations of the Geluk tradition, that of Shukden’s followers who want to set the Geluk tradition apart from others, and the Dalai Lama’s more eclectic vision..
The above researcher has a long and heavily referenced paper about this issue that is posted on: Dorje Shugden (Dolgyal): Untangling a Complex Issue along with parts on the page of the Dalai Lama.
From my perspective there appears to be a stronger STS element involved with the those groups who follow the Dolgyal-Shugden more sectarian position.

The Western Shugden Society - Wikipedia also informs us that China co-opts a Buddhist sect in global effort to smear the Dalai Lama informes us:
A 2015 Reuters investigation determined "that the religious sect behind the protests has the backing of the Communist Party" and that the "group has emerged as an instrument in Beijing’s long campaign to undermine support for the Dalai Lama".[3] After the Reuters investigation revealed that China backs it, the International Shugden Community halted operations and disbanded.[4]
For more on Chinas support China’s Involvement in the Dorje Shugden Controversy It does not mean that China created the disagreement, I don't think so, but they might have and interest in supporting it.

On the site of Dolgyal (Shugden) | The 14th Dalai Lama one can find the position of the Dalai Lama with regard to the controversy. For example: Clarifying His Holiness the Dalai Lama's Stand on Dolgyal/Shugden | The 14th Dalai Lama has:
One of the principal reasons why His Holiness advises against this practice is because of the well-documented sectarianism associated with it. In the past, Shugden practice, especially in Eastern Tibet, provoked widespread distrust between monasteries, prevented members of the Geluk school from receiving instructions belonging to the Nyingma tradition, and even led to desecration of religious images and scriptures. His Holiness considers this kind of divisiveness and disharmony to be deeply regrettable. As someone who actively promotes inter-religious harmony and understanding, he opposes discrimination against anyone on grounds of faith.

A clear understanding of the Shugden question requires objective study of its nearly 400 year controversial history, especially the way it unfolded in the early years of the 20th century. His Holiness the Dalai Lama feels a moral responsibility to advise his followers against Shugden practice. In so doing he is following the example of his distinguished predecessors, especially the Great Fifth and the Thirteenth Dalai Lamas.

Are there cults within Tibetan Buddhism?
Another article Dalai Lama protesters: International Shugden Community / Western Shugden Society - unlocked mentions
As Tsultrim Palmo & Carol McQuire have demonstrated in a brief article it can be safely stated that behind the protesters is the New Kadampa Traditon (NKT).

Without the NKT’s founder, Geshe Kelsang Gyaso’s, explicit wish and order, there would not be any of these types of protests and media savvy international campaigning. When he ordered in 1998 to stop the protests, they stopped. When he had the motivation to start them again, they started again. (Details, evidence, and inferences can be found in the rest of this article/page.)
The above formulations makes one question if the NKT apart from being a religion is also like a sect of the cult variety? Opinions on this issue are easy to come by and asking the question opened a can of worms:
It Slowly Dawned On Me That I Had Actually Been Sucked Into A Cult
On Quora some Q and A in this regard Is the NKT (New Kadampa Tradition) a cult? - Quora
NewKadampaSurvivorTestimonies is a FB group with statements
There was also a book review about abuse in Tibetan Buddhism: A Timely and Important Book “Fallout: Recovering from Abuse in Tibetan Buddhism”
Related to the above is maybe Controversial Tibetan Buddhist teacher dies https://tricycle.org/trikedaily/dagri-rinpoche-abuse/
There are many more articles in the list on this page: https://buddhism-controversy-blog.com/overview/ though not all equally severe or perhaps even justified.
The next link is an attack on the person who is administering the just mentioned site. Eventually he wrote words more severe than the person described and his lawyers would put up with. It was claimed he settled out of court, but how do they know?

An article by William Dreyfus mentioned earlier, ends with with a reflection on why some Buddhists can be so invested in a school, in this case Shugden that they will fight for it with other Buddhists. Not unknown in other religions, but here is what he thinks is at the root of it with regard to Buddhism:
Obedience towards the Guru
A problem for many faced with giving up Shugden practice is that during a Tantric Shugden empowerment, students give a commitment to never give up Shugden. Religious scientist Michael Von Brück (LM University, Munich) comments,

The Tantric vow binds teacher and disciple together in an exclusive connection of total obedience on the side of the disciple. This is even more so in the relation to one’s ‘root Lama’ (rtsa ba’i bla ma), who is the teacher who transmits all the three aspects of the tradition as a single person: (a) the oral transmission of the texts; (b) commentaries on the texts; (c) empowerment into the practice of a specific deity. Such a relationship to the root Lama creates a special karmic situation and is absolutely binding. To change or correct the transmission handed down by a root teacher is not possible unless the relationship has been dissolved and the vow has been returned formally. The one who breaks the vow (dam nyams) commits such a serious ‘negative deed’ that he/she will definitely be reborn many times in hell.

Two further problems related to the Shugden controversy and the Tantric guru-disciple-relationship are: 1) Fear of “A Breach of Guru-Devotion”; and 2) the understanding that “guru devotion” includes accepting all views and actions of the guru as enlightened and never questioning these. Though scriptural support exists for the latter Tantric view, there is also scriptural support for a view which gives space and freedom to the student to reject advice or commands the guru has given if: a) One is not able to obey (in that case one excuses oneself politely to the guru and explains the reasons why)[97]; or b) If the advice or command is not concordant with Buddha’s teachings (in that case one has to reject it without losing faith in the guru).[97a]

Shugden opponents might refer to a perceived sectarian nature bound with Shugden practice, which they see as a contradiction to the Dharma and Buddhism or they might argue that Shugden is a local mundane spirit in whom it is inappropriate to take refuge as a Buddhist. Shugden proponents might refer to their tantric commitment and the Tantric view that “the guru is a Buddha” who cannot be questioned in any way or couldn’t have erred in misperceiving the nature of Shugden. For those who see Shugden as a Buddha, they cannot see a problem in taking refuge in him.

Besides the probable impossibility of determining Shugden’s nature, behind these arguments there are two fundamentally different approaches to “guru devotion” that can be recognised: a) A very strict interpretation in the sense of ‘total obedience’ whereby actions of the guru can in no way be questioned; and b) A less strict approach that gives space and freedom to question and to reject actions or views of one’s own guru(s) – either without loosing faith or by taking a neutral distance to the guru and his methods.

In the same vein, Michael von Brück concluded his paper about the Shugden conflict:

We can conclude that the present controversy reveals the contradiction between the imperative of critically establishing the validity of (one’s own) opinions and the obedience towards the Lama (Guru).[98]
With the sectarian disagreements the Dalai Lama and the Tibetans Buddhists are weaker
This article reveals that India in 2014 vetoed the possibility of a meeting between the Chinese president and the Dalai Lama in https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...us-india-vetoed-china-meeting-2104-xi-jinping
Dalai Lama lets slip how India vetoed his meeting with China’s leader in 2014
President Xi appeared open to discussing Tibet but the Dalai Lama’s hosts in Delhi were not so keen, a book reveals
There was also the BBC video of China's super rich Communist Tibetan Buddhists though nothing more has happened.
 
In this post there are links to videos beginning with the 1920'ies that show the environment the Dalai Lama was born into and the history of Tibet. There will be some overlap, as the documentaries that cover a theme or a period of many years will have to source their material from the same recordings.

In Search Of History - Tibet's Lost Paradise: Shangri-La (History Channel Documentary)
42 minutes long and claims that the Chinese destroyed 6000 monasteries and that one million people perished. Some say only about 3000 monasteries, anyway it is a lot. This documentary sets Tibetan Buddhism and the old Tibet in a nostalgic light, as the History Channel does also with other pieces of history - from what I have noticed. The Dalai Lama is not much concerned with this legend Shangri-La; he says he is more concerned with life here on Earth, as it is full of problems. However when I checked for Youtubes on Shangri-La there are many, and on the Wiki it says:
Shangri-La is a fictional place described in the 1933 novel Lost Horizon by British author James Hilton. Hilton describes Shangri-La as a mystical, harmonious valley, gently guided from a lamasery, enclosed in the western end of the Kunlun Mountains. Shangri-La has become synonymous with any earthly paradise, particularly a mythical Himalayan utopia – a permanently happy land, isolated from the world. In the novel, the people who live at Shangri-La are almost immortal, living hundreds of years beyond the normal lifespan and only very slowly aging in appearance. The name also evokes the imagery of the exoticism of the Orient. in the 9th century as idyllic, sacred places of refuge for Buddhists during times of strife (Reinhard, 1978).

In the ancient Tibetan scriptures, the existence of seven such places is mentioned as Nghe-Beyul Khembalung.[1] Khembalung is one of several beyuls (hidden lands similar to Shangri-La) believed to have been created by Padmasambhava
And from from Shangri-La — Wikipédia there is:
In the people's Republic of China, the county of Zhongdian (Gyalthang in tibetan) has been renamed Shangri-La (香格里拉, Xiānggélǐlā, in chinese) in 2001, to attract tourists4. The legendary mountains of Kun Lun and Tibet offer other valleys possible for Shangri-La.
Perhaps the popular myth of Shangri-La has given Buddhist in Tibet an image of being more peaceful than they are in reality. In one clip, recorded during a festival, there are unique photos of military artifacts including chain mail dating back to the medieval times when the descendants of Djenghis Khan ruled the Eurasian steppes.
The Lost World of Tibet, BBC
The video is 1h:29 min long. This is both a story of the country and the life of Dalai Lama, who comments on some of the scenes and events. Considering the circumstances that the Dalai Lama were born into, one can hardly be surprised if he is leaning to the conservative side.

There are also a few videos about the life of poor and rich, including the question of serfdom, which has sparked a controversy including a Wiki where there are links to sources that one can check out.

Human Rights in Old Tibet lasts 10 minutes. I don't know what the origin really is. They make interviews with some of those that were filmed when they were young and poor. Probably when the Chinese came and then later in life. At the end they interview two scholars including Melwyn C. Goldstein, whose page I have linked to earlier.
The luxurious life of Tibetan nobles ! About 10 minutes, some pictures have probably appeared in other places.
The ruling class in old Tibet / 239 photos 10 min.
The working class in old Tibet / 212 photos 9 min.
The miserable life of Tibetan serfs! 10 min.
Next there are a few CCTV production, focusing on the conditions of those people who had little. The text below are from the Youtube, inserted by the owner of the channel, In fact they were written by Kalovski Itim, originally posted as a paper on Rense and before that in: Revolutionary Worker #944, February 15, 1998. This is like stepping back into the days of the Mao's cultural revolution, and what is expressed could probably be signed off by any convinced marxist-leninist of the Maoist fraction if they still exist.
The True Face Of The Dalai Lama
by Kalovski at 4-2-8
This is a backgrounder of the struggle in Tibet and how the US has been building up Dalai Lama to pursue their ideological struggle. In the US many uninformed people had been awed by his philosophy on "peace" and "non-violence". This article will bare facts to the real color and intent of the Lama, why the US had given him a Nobel Prize and many more. - Kalovski Itim, The True Story of Maoist Revolution in Tibet, When the Dalai Lamas Ruled: Hell on Earth Revolutionary Worker #944, February 15, 1998
Old Tibet was not a Shangri-la 1/3
8 minutes CCTV describes the conditions of poor people, pictures are from before 1960. In the old days there were three groups in the top layer of society, aristocrats, feudal officials and upper class lamas. They constituted 5 % The other 95 % constituted poor people, or so they say. Next form the "Revolutionary Worker #944, February 15, 1998"
Once the first white-sand road was completed, long caravans of PLA trucks arrived, carrying key goods like tea and matches. The expanded trade and especially the availability of inexpensive tea improved the diet of ordinary Tibetans. By the mid-'50s, the first telephones, telegraphs, radio station and modern printing had been organized. The first newspapers, books and pamphlets appeared, in both Han and Tibetan. After 1955, Tibet's first real schools were founded. By July 1957 there were 79 elementary schools, with 6,000 students. All this started to improve the life of poor people and infuriated the upper classes, who had always monopolized all trade, book-learning and contact with the outside world. When revolutionary medical teams started healing people, even monks and the upper classes started showing up at the early clinics. The first coal mine opened in 1958 and the first blast furnace in 1959. This undermined superstitions that condemned innovation and preached that diseases were caused by sinful behavior.

Starting in 1956, increasingly intense armed revolts organized by feudal landowners started in Han-Tibet border areas. These areas were not covered by the 17 points, and the serfs there were being encouraged by the revolutionaries to stop paying land rent to the monasteries and estates. In 1958 a communist leader in Tsinghai wrote, "The great socialist revolution in the pastoral
areas has been a very violent class struggle of life and death."
Some forces within the Communist Party urged compromise. They suggested slowing down the land reform and closing down the schools and clinics that were opposed by the lamaists. Teachers and medical teams were withdrawn. But this did not stop the conspiracies of the lamaists. In the late '50s, the Tibetan ruling class pressed ahead with a full-scale revolt. They believed that the intense struggles breaking out in central China called the Great Leap Forward might give them an opening to drive out the PLA. CIA support was increasing, and trained agents were in place. *
Old Tibet was not a Shangri-la 2/3
7 minute, CCTV describes the conditions of poor people, and the life of very rich people. Next form the "Revolutionary Worker #944, February 15, 1998"
"Historically, all reactionary forces on the verge of extinction invariably conduct a last desperate struggle against the revolutionary forces."Mao Tsetung In March 1959, armed monks and Tibetan soldiers attacked the revolutionary garrison in Lhasa and launched a revolt along the Tibet-India border. One monk later said, "All of us were told that, if we killed a Han, we would become Living Buddhas and have chapels to our name." Without much support among the masses, the lamaists were soon dug in at some shrines. The main revolt was over within a few days.

During the fighting, the Dalai Lama fled into exile. This flight is portrayed by lamaists as a heroic, even mystical event. But it is now well documented that the Dalai Lama was whisked away by a CIA covert operation. The Dalai Lama's own autobiography admits that his cook and radio operator on that trip were CIA agents. The CIA wanted him outside of Tibet as a symbol for a
contra-style war against the Maoist revolution.

Defeated in their revolt, large sections of the upper clergy and aristocracy followed the Dalai Lama south into India accompanied by many slave-servants, armed guards and mule-trains of wealth. In all, 13,000 went into exile, among them the most hard-core feudal forces and their supporters. Suddenly, many of Tibet's Three Masters the rich lamas, the high government officials, and the secular aristocrats were gone!

Revolutionary forces mobilized to root out the feudalist conspiracy. And a thousand Tibetan students rushed back from the National Minorities Institutes to help organize the first great wave of revolutionary change in Tibet. The Dalai Lama's Kashag government had largely supported this counterrevolutionary revolt and was dissolved. New organs of power were created in every region called "Offices to Suppress the Revolt." The new regional government was called "Preparatory Committee for the Autonomous Region of Tibet" (PCART)in it, new Tibetan cadres and veteran Han cadres worked together.

This first stage of the revolution was called "the Three Anti's and the Two Reductions." It was against the lamaist conspiracy, against forced labor, and against slavery. In the past serfs had paid three-quarters of their harvest to the masters, now the revolution fought to reduce that "land rent" to 20 percent. The other reduction eliminated the massive debts that serfs "owed" to
their masters.

This campaign attacked the heart of Tibet's feudal relations: Forced ulag labor was abolished. The nangzen slaves of the nobles and monasteries were freed. The masses of slave-monks were suddenly allowed to leave the monasteries. Arms caches were cleaned out of the main monasteries, and key conspirators were arrested. *
Old Tibet was not a Shangri-la 3/3
7 minutes, CCTV describes the conditions of poor people. Tells about the prisons. At the end the great moment for the Chinese of liberating the poor people, the serfs. Next form the "Revolutionary Worker #944, February 15, 1998"
Some people like to talk about "struggle for religious freedom in Tibet"but throughout Tibetan history, the main struggle around "religious freedom" has been for the freedom not to believe, not to obey the cruel monks and their endless superstitions. The sight of thousands of young monks eagerly getting married and doing manual labor was a powerful blow to superstitious awe.

Women's liberation got off the groundunder the then-shocking slogan "All men and women are equal!" Revolutionary property changes helped ease old pressures for polygamy. With a large new pool of eligible men, there was no longer the same pressure for women to accept a situation where one man could have many wives. With the redistribution of the land, women were no longer
under the same pressure to marry several brothers in one familya practice that had been used to limit the population who depended on small plots of land. Without the land rent, the huge parasitic monasteries started to dry up. About half the monks
left them and about half the monasteries closed down.

In mass meetings, serfs were encouraged to organize Peasant Associations and fight for their interests. Key oppressors were called out, denounced and punished. The debt records of the serf-owners were burned in great bonfires. Women played a particularly active role. They are seen in the photographs of those days leading such meetings and denouncing the oppressor. Soon, the serfs seized the land and livestock. Ex-serfs, former beggars, and ex-slaves each received several acres. Serfs received 200,000 new deeds to the land and herds decorated with red flags and pictures of Chairman Mao. Serfs said: "The sun of the Kashag shone only on the Three Masters and their landlord henchmen, but the sun of the Communist Party and Chairman Mao shines on us the poor people."
The next video has footage from the invasion of Tibet. Perhaps the French producers had access to sources not found in the British-German-American sources, from which most other documentaries build their programmes. It is 55 minutes long.
Tibet The Story Of A Tragedy – France 3
They say in the above video that Tibet was violence free. I think this is an idealised description.Perhaps the writers borrowed some ideas the myth of Shangri-La.

Many years passed and one may wonder, what one may encounter in Tibet today. Of course a lot of new roads, schools, industry, tourism all the material values and what else? The following video report is from 2016-2017 and indicates that the transition from Tibet as a semi-independent area before 1950 to a much more of an integrated part of China has been a difficult project for all parties. In the video it is mentioned that in China there is estimated to be one soldier for every 1400 people, in Tibet, it is one for every 20. Maybe it has changed since the time of the documentary, but still a lot of military presence. The video also gives a perspective on what is happening in countries of Europe and the Americas.
Undercover In Tibet (Full Documentary) - Real Stories
As Tibetan protesters take to the streets in the biggest and most bloody challenge to Chinese rule in nearly 20 years, Dispatches reports on the hidden reality of life under Chinese occupation after spending three months undercover, deep inside the region. Dozens are feared dead after the recent clashes and crackdown by Chinese troops but with reporting so rigidly controlled from the region little is known of living conditions inside Tibet. To make this film, Tibetan exile Tash Despa returns to the homeland he risked his life to escape eleven years ago to carry out secret filming with award-winning, Bafta-nominated director Jezza Neumann (Dispatches Special: China’s Stolen Children). Risking imprisonment and deportation, he uncovers evidence of the ‘cultural genocide’ described by the Dalai Lama. He finds the nomadic way of life being forcefully wiped out as native Tibetans are stripped of their land and livestock and are being resettled in concrete camps. Undercover in Tibet reveals the regime of terror which dominates daily life and makes freedom of expression an impossibility. Tash meets victims of arbitrary arrests, detention, torture and ‘disappearances’ and uncovers evidence of enforced sterilisations on ethnic Tibetan women. He sees for himself the impact of the enormous military and police presence in the region, the hunger and hardship being endured by many Tibetans and hears warnings of the uprising taking place across the provinces now.
Next are a series of video links where I have tried to order them chronologically.
Forbidden City of Tibet by Roerich expedition
3 minutes, life footage from 1923, when the Russian explorer, painter, archaeologist, philosopher, theosophist and writer Nicholas Roerich visited Tibet.
Expedition to Mongolia & Tibet (1929) | British Pathé 3 min silent movie picture
Tibet - Land of Isolation 1934 by James A. Fitzpatrick, 8 min silent movie picture that shows the life of peasants, milking, making butter, weaving, preparing cowdung to become fuel, crossing rivers. In that sense very informative about the old ways.
Tibet 1938 filmed by Nazis "Nazis"? Perhaps as they came from Germany, but an analysis, demonstrates that they were successful in their scientific and diplomatic endeavour Tibet in 1938–1939: The Ernst Schäfer Expedition to Tibet, ends:
Final Considerations – Reasons for the Expedition’s Success
Whatever the controversies and problems the Schäfer Expedition may have faced, in terms of the scientific material they collected and the way in which they served to improve relations between Germany and Tibet, the mission was a success. We may now turn to consider briefly some of the reasons for their success.

Before entering Tibet, every member of the expedition made efforts to learn Tibetan etiquette; they took with them the Sikkimese aristocrat Rapten, who also served as their interpreter and continued their instruction.

Schäfer himself must have been an excellent negotiator. He proved successful even when he complained about ill-treatment from the Tibetans. He seems to have been very much concerned with his honor, which he often connected with that of his home country. Schäfer cleverly used the swastika symbol to create the idea of an identity shared between the Germans and the Tibetans, thus linking the two nations – West and East – even on the symbolic level.

Bruno Beger, the anthropologist, had brief medical training that enabled him to treat sick members of the Tibetan aristocracy, and so expedition members were frequently invited into the houses of the nobility. Finally, the Tibetans appear simply to have enjoyed the Germans’ cheerfulness. According to Schäfer’s diaries, they were fond of the expedition members singing German songs. It is quite amusing to read about parties in Tsarong’s house, the Germans linking arms with the Tibetans and swinging from side to side, singing the most popular song from Munich’s Oktoberfest.¹⁹⁵ Heinrich Harrer also reports on the expedition in his unpublished diaries¹⁹⁶ and memoirs:
I never knew Ernst Schäfer personally, although I frequently encountered the names of the five members of his expedition when in Lhasa. They had gained great popularity. I was often called upon to translate the instructions in the numerous packages of medicines which they had left.¹⁹⁷
Tibet in 1938–1939: The Ernst Schäfer Expedition to Tibet
Footage of 1939 Tibetan Army of a Sovereign Tibet Nation 3min narrated
Lhasa, Tibet, festival in 1939 17:20 German, Dutch subtitles
Sir Basil Gould's Films of Tibet (1940) - extract 8 min silent
Inside Tibet - 220689-01 2/3 | Footage Farm 15 min American narration, since this 39 min video Inside Tibet: Rare film of pre-Chinese Invasion | 1940s American narrator. Scenes are the same as Footage farm marking. Only it is longer, 39 minute vs 14: The timing from the footage farm clip corresponds with the timing given on the Inside Tibet from 1943 which was made by the US Office of Strategic Service. He mentions the wealth of the country is concentrated in 20 families. There is a summary:
00:14:19 Continued...Tropji regiment sent by the Dalai Lama to escort party. Regiment dressed in native dress reviewed by American officers. Brightly colored flag.
00:14:58 LS 17th century Winter Palace, pan to hilltop Temple of the Healing Buddha.
00:15:09 MS Monk into Lhasa’s West Gate tilt up peaked dome. Shots of Lhasa, people on rooftops cooking, drying ??. Important Tibetan Feng Gang (sp?) family laughing, pose for cameras. Two young priests. Kids to school; children at school w/ rich & poor - brother of Dalai Lama in class. High Angle / HA Street scenes.
00:16:54 Tibetan sorcerers play one handed drums & ring bells - said to drive out spirits. Children play native game w/ feathered dead bird.
00:17:36 Farm laborers hauling straw & carrying timber load w/ poles. Kumbha dancers in center of small village - wandering troupe. Lot of whirling, a very energetic folk dance - entertainment. One or two-string instrument played w/ bow & dancers w/ drums. MCUs. Competition w/ each other - some look like break dancers!
00:19:59 LS Potala or Winter Palace, CU gold encrusted roof - architecture - building houses bodies of previous Dalai Lamas. Locals on road linking to Summer Palace. CU Lion of Tibet statue guarding gates of Summer Palace. Various shots showing architecture & gold carvings on palace - wealth.
00:21:29 Major Domo of Summer Palace. CU holding personal gold cup of the Dalai Lama. Elephant statue & religious tapestry aka Thangka or Tonkas are gifts from Dalai Lama to President Roosevelt. CUs.
00:22:39 People walk in grounds of palace.; ponies, mules & different types of animals to be found in Tibet including spotted pony, deer, wild ass. Ponies in stable. Wild blue sheep, camels, Tibetan mastiff dog.
00:23:40 Grounds of the temple of the serpent demi-god. Local wildlife, ducks & geese, on lake. Cabinet ministers w/ servants travel to British Mission for party. Servants help masters to dismount. Expedition’s monk guide on donkey.
00:24:35 MCU Sheep roasted for luncheon. Party of VIPs sitting in open air at tables. Three Tibetan Cabinet Ministers pose for photos w/ high government directors of the Foreign Office; all in traditional dress & hats. Monks from the monastery. HA of group eating. Guests riding off.
09:26:10 Americans visit palace of Sarong family, down steps & pan exterior. Lhasa Apso / Tibetan terrier dog received as a gift by the Americans & running around. Sarong family pose for cameras. Panning shot of monasteries which surround Lhasa w/ mountains in background. Visit Sara Monastery & escorted by monks wearing huge shoulder pads.
00:27:20 Drepung Monastery, largest monastery in the world - novices & resident monks on ground, novices being examined by monks.
00:28:15 Crowds of monks arriving for New Year religious festival kept under control by Provo monks waving long poles.
00:28:34 Wealthy Poongang (?) family in silk brocade clothes & jade jewelry & w/ headdress model before the New Year celebrations
James Guthrie's Home Movies of Tibet (1945) - extract 10 min
The Lost World of Tibet - extract (c.1970) | BFI 12 min But George - Wikipedia Sherriff informs that
Sheriff was there from 1943-1949, so the film is from that time. (c1970) must be the time when the narrators voice, belonging to the wife of George Sheriff was put on.
Scenes in Tibet (1940s) - extracts 3 min silent Has scene with children playing on ice!
Tibet Rare Footage - Complete Version. Recorded around the year 1950
The video is 47 minutes long. Made around 1980 One sees Heinrich Harrer who was in Tibet from 1944 to 1950, he gives an introduction. At around 6:50 they mention that many omes appeared and these made the people scared. The Dalai Lama was put in charge when only 15 years, three years before he would usually be of age. The state oracle said that people should flee, that the religion was in danger, that a powerful force would come from the north and the east. In 1954 the Dalai Lama travels to Peiking, it took 24 days to get from Lhasa to the border, on their return a road had been built and it took one week. In 1959 the Dalai Lama was invited to Peking, but he declined, as he had religious examinations to take. They took place at each of Lhasas three great monasteries and lasted for three months. 1/3 of the Tibetans were monks. At min 30 the say some 19,000 people fled at about the same time as the Dalai Lama. There are pictures from Tibet in 1980. Until 1979, they taught history of China and legend of Tibet. Out of originally 3500 monasteries only parts of 13 remain (that was 1980 claim) They interview the British envoy who was in Lhasa from 1936-1947.
Tibetan Traders (1957) 22 min American narration. Shows the life of common people, how salt is traded and how sheep are used to carry salt.
Shangri-La ◦ Lost Treasures of Tibet ◦ Complete PBS Documentary
52 minutes deals with the small Mustang district in Nepal and shows attempts to restore Tibetan art. (2006)
52 minutes This is about a small district in Nepal, until recently a kingdom. Located high up in the mountains close to the border with Tibet. In this area there are the remains of Tibetan culture that flourished 500 years ago and left behind first class art in a monastery, but due to decline it has not been maintained and used for over a hundred years. Two foreigners, an architect and an art restoration expert come to see if anything can be done. They work, but there are also difficulties. For the Tibetan Buddhists the religious art should be restored to the level of original functionality which includes nothing missing in the features of the depicted figures, while for western experts it is best to leave it restored, but not try to make up for what is missing. At the end a compromise is found and a small group of pilgrims arrive from Tibet. The Tibetans are delighted because in their home area there is only one monastery and in it only five monks, since everything else was destroyed by the Chinese. In a way it serves as a comment on the what has happened in Tibet. One feature is that the artists who decorated the temple used a mainly Chinese style although Indian influences are also there. In this way it show that the relations with China have been close in the past, that the monastery is located in a border area.

The following video "Yogis Of Tibet Rare Documentary" shows advanced practitioners of yoga. On Imbd it is rated with 8.0 and it is1h:29 min long. The Dalai Lama does not consider himself to be a yogi, but he offers some comments. The yogis they in the film were those who fled the invasion, or joined schools started by those who fled. A few remain in Tibet according to a documentary. And some were already outside. The following documentary follows the daily life of a Tibetan lama in Nepal

THE Mountain YOGI | Pooye Lama Gomchen Milarepa | Documentry on Gobind lama The take away from this man is that one needs to work hard, he says it again and again, the same is actually also mentioned by one of the old yogis in the first documentary, I mentioned.

As a perspective on the case of Tibet, and considering what one can learn there is the second half of the New Silk Road Documentary. The New Silk Road, part 2: From Kyrgyzstan to Duisburg | DW Documentary

Some have blamed the Dalai Lama for having expressed his support for the resistance in Tibet, which especially in the early days involved violence. The reason includes that if he was a true Buddhists then he would not accept the use of violence. I think one would have to look at the particular situation. To give a perspective from the transcripts, there is. Session 12 July 2014
"Q: [...](Perceval) Did Caesar himself ever kill anyone?

A: Many, certainly.

Q: (Perceval) So, given the times around then being very war-like, with a lot of fighting and death going on in general... and with some kind of a Great Soul at the time coming down and... it doesn't necessarily have to be a peacemaker kissing people's feet like Jesus... But is there some thing like what we would understand as a prohibition against killing other people as a requirement for being "spiritually evolved"

A: That idea is for the most part an exaggerated human philosophical construct.


Q: (L) So the idea that...

(Perceval) That to be good, thou shalt not kill...

(Atriedes) But which religion does that come from? The most killingest religion on the planet!

(Perceval) It does seem to... Killing another human being for a normal human being does seem to be quite a traumatic thing.

(Atriedes) It's socially inculcated.

(Perceval) I doubt it. I mean, for soldiers, they come back with Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, they're trained to kill, and they want to kill themselves afterwards, ya know? They can't handle the fact that they...

(Pierre) Maybe the difference is that Caesar was aware of the very fundamental reason why he was killing...

A: Caesar intended to eliminate or vastly reduce killing. He knew what he was up against.

Q: (L) Okay, for example... Okay, let me ask this: There is a speech alleged to have been Caesar's that is reproduced in Sallust's... The War with Catiline. Sallust reproduces this speech, supposedly Caesar's, at the Catilinarian Conspiracy debates. Now, how close is that speech to what Caesar said on the occasion?

A: 80 percent.

Q: (L) Because in that speech, Caesar is completely against even the death penalty. It's among the conundrums that you face when you read something like that, his words, and I mean he was risking his life giving this speech! He was surrounded by armed men, under the command of Cicero, who was bound and determined to execute those people. And yet Caesar stood up against the entire hostile senate, and advocated against the death penalty. And it's even commented that people drew their swords and wanted to kill him at that time. And in fact it's very similar to a story about Jesus in the bible, that people drew their swords and wanted to kill him, but he escaped from the mob and they didn't see him leave. So, it's really kind of an odd thing. So, for somebody to accuse Caesar of being this murdering psychopath is like, it's very difficult. And then supposedly these body counts in Gaul, and these horrible cruel events, and it just doesn't reconcile.[...]"
The same topic was brought up from Session 29 December 2018 where there is:
(L) [...]Years and years ago the Cs talked about 4D battles as weather, and darned if we are not seeing it now in spades!

(Joe) I know, but... When they say 4D battles, what do they mean?

(L) What do you mean by "4D battles?"

A: As above, so below.

Q: (L) Well, since you brought that up, there has been a discussion on the forum where people are saying things like, "Well, I don't want to have a gun because it's a dirty thing, it’s just about death" and so on and so forth. Or, "I just couldn't kill anybody even to protect myself, or if I had to I'd feel like I failed as a human being." Yet you're saying that there are battles in 4D and it's reflected in 3D. So, what's going on right here in 3D is basically a reflection of this battle that's taking place in this higher...

(Joe) Are there wars in 4D?

A: Yes

Q: (L) Their version of war.

A: STS seeks to impose domination which must be resisted. You wrote about this yourself!!

Q: (L) Yeah, I did. Wasn't it that Michael Topper article? I wrote about it somewhere else, too. I think in the article I wrote something about the psychopathic state of America, that we're almost required to resist that domination for the sake of the future, for the sake of the STO position itself. Well, so in other words...

A: One thing you should consider is that the so-called "rules" that dictate that it is being less than human to defend oneself and what is right and true just may have been programmed to make one weak.

Q: (Artemis) Well, yeah, I mean if you look at Western society and values and TV, they're all about not killing people at all even if you're a good guy and even if you need to.

(L) At the same time, they promote killing with all their shoot-em-ups and blow-em-ups. There's something about that, because... It's like Jonathan Haidt who talks about the different moral systems and that the liberal snowflake moral system foundation is mainly just about not harming anybody, and nobody should ever get hurt, nobody should have hurt feelings... And that's kinda bizarre because it doesn't accommodate the fact that...

(Andromeda) In the wrong situation, it leads to hurt!

Since much of Tibetan Buddhism has been propagated throughout the world, one wonders what the outcome of that will be, considering.
Q: (L) I have a question I want to ask. A lot of people say that esotericism and politics shouldn't be mixed together, that somebody who has esoteric pursuits - or spiritual pursuits, let me put it that way - shouldn't be interested in "worldly" things. I would like to have your view on this. Have we gone completely astray by mixing in politics?

A: Absolutely and vehemently not!!! There is no possibility of true spiritual work progressing without full awareness of the world that surrounds you. What have we said about "true religion?" Let your curiosity guide you. In its pure state curiosity is a spiritual function.
What the C's were referring to was in Session 28 September 2002
A: Life is religion.

Q: (L) What does that mean?

A: Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
 
Again while trying to uncover more about this issue, it turned out there have also been cases of outright abuse. Over all it seems the Tibetans Buddhists are weaker today.

Yes, weaker, yet it was not so good in the past as Michael Parenti writes (it's long and explores the political and religious controls in Tibet's history - this is an updated 2007 version and the original was posted in the forum)

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Earlier visitors to Tibet commented on the theocratic despotism. In 1895, an Englishman, Dr. A. L. Waddell, wrote that the populace was under the “intolerable tyranny of monks” and the devil superstitions they had fashioned to terrorize the people. In 1904 Perceval Landon described the Dalai Lama’s rule as “an engine of oppression.” At about that time, another English traveler, Captain W.F.T. O’Connor, observed that “the great landowners and the priests… exercise each in their own dominion a despotic power from which there is no appeal,” while the people are “oppressed by the most monstrous growth of monasticism and priest-craft.” Tibetan rulers “invented degrading legends and stimulated a spirit of superstition” among the common people. In 1937, another visitor, Spencer Chapman, wrote, “The Lamaist monk does not spend his time in ministering to the people or educating them. . . . The beggar beside the road is nothing to the monk. Knowledge is the jealously guarded prerogative of the monasteries and is used to increase their influence and wealth.”24 As much as we might wish otherwise, feudal theocratic Tibet was a far cry from the romanticized Shangri La so enthusiastically nurtured by Buddhism’s western proselytes.

It is interesting that you started this thread up again, thorbiorn, as I was looking at this stuff in more detail a few years ago and saved what I was thinking - noted the CIA involvement at their training facility in Colorado and exactly who was being recruited. However, was going to post all this in the 'Darkness in Tibet' thread as a revisited post, yet here you bring up a great deal that is related. As for Shugden, there may be duplication here, yet from my standpoint at looking at this, much seems to have to do with oracles – which oracles and why comes up below. In this, though, it is like a long standing oracle war between camps. The camps are state vs. people

So, notwithstanding the book above, and being no expert at all - just with an interest of the history in the region and the practices; which happen to vary among groups, including the divisions between groups along political lines, the following might or might not be of interest among some of the reasons of these divisions.

This started off while looking again at secular factions within Tibet – and the why of it. What came to my attention came under the name Dorje Shugden, which has now been cited above by you, thorbiorn (thanks). What and who this is seems to be of importance, and I did not know why at the time. Upon looking, though, what became initially of interest was that this was (and still is) descendants within lineage of oracles. There is the peoples oracle and the state oracle, and they are at odds. Monks either gravitate to one or the other, and generally in the past (and still today) people in cities and towns favor one over the other.

Posted elsewhere on the form dealt with the oracle of Delphian, and this was one part from MP Hall’s book that was noted:

It is generally admitted that the effect of the Delphian oracle upon Greek culture was profoundly constructive. James Gardner sums up its influence in the following words: "It responses revealed many a tyrant and foretold his fate. Through its means many an unhappy being was saved from destruction and many a perplexed mortal guided in the right way. It encouraged useful institutions, and promoted the progress of useful discoveries. Its moral influence was on the side of virtue, and its political influence in favor of the advancement of civil liberty." (See The Faiths of The World.)

I’ll come back to Dorje Shugden, yet then it was noticed that opposite to Dorje Shugden and the vast network within the sects represented by the Yellow Hats and the Dalai Lama’s (DM from here on) school – the Gelug, follows the precepts through Dharma in the Buddhist teachings. Dharma “is a key concept with multiple meanings in the Indian religions – Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, and Sikhism. There is no single-word translation for dharma in Western languages.” Dharma - Wikipedia In Vedic Sanskrit it is the “bearer, supporter". In Rigveda it is “sustainer" and "supporter" (of deities)”. There is more to say of the word, yet it is hard to pin down and it is not translatable - and those that have done so have different meanings for it.

Whatever the case, it relates to the interactions of the ‘deities’ and the deities in Buddhist culture and religion are varied and important to the people.

So, one thing that might be asked is what is it with these different deities used in practice, and the practices differ from Japan to the US while practitioners (the people) align to different teaching factions with their leanings to certain deities and the Dharma that supports them. Hierarchies, though, are similar; Buddha, Lamas, Karmapa’s, Rinpoche’s, Oracles (spirits through mediums) etc.

Of the oracle, Shugden, I’ve asked myself why has it stirred up so much controversy (he is reported as being an old important deity to assist/train monks in meditation and as a source for oracle/divination, I think) while being prohibited/outlawed by the DL for a while until there was a so-called softening of the DL edict. What happened here and why?

You can read a little of it here in 'Charting the Shugden Interdiction in the Western Himalaya'
(
Martin A. Mills
Anthropology of Religion
University of Aberdeen)


whereby Mills writes:
On March 21st, 1996, His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, head of the Tibetan Government-in-exile, performed a tantric empowerment ceremony to the Tibetan protector deity Tamdrin.³ at Dharamsala, North India. Prior to commencing with the empowerment, the Dalai Lama declared that anyone in the audience who was a worshipper of the powerful Tibetan protector deity Dorje Shugden should leave, because the deity was opposed to the cause of Tibet, existed in conflict with the Tibetan government’s key protector deities Palden Lhamo and Nechung, and that to remain would be to harm the cause of Tibet and would shorten his own life as a religious teacher.

The declaration marked the apex of a long dispute within the Tibetan exile community, one that had been growing for twenty years, but which had its antecedents in the very founding years of the government of the Dalai Lamas in the 17th century (see below). During the 19th and 20th centuries, worship of the protector deity Dorje Shugden had grown in strength within the Gelug order of Tibetan Buddhism (of which the Dalai Lama is a key member), but was seen by many as at odds with the original constitutional structure of the Tibetan government at Lhasa and, in particular, its own structure of protector deities. While the deity and some of its key followers – such as Pabonkha Rinpoche¹⁰ (1878–1941) and the Dalai Lama’s own junior tutor, Trijiang Rinpoche¹¹ (1900–1981) were significant forces in Lhasa and later in exile, during the 1970s the 14th Dalai Lama himself came to view the deity as a sectarian influence at odds with his own ri-mé¹², or ‘nonsectarian’, view of legitimate ceremonial governance.

Whatever the case is, what I did not realize, and was rather surprised at, directly relates to not one but two oracles (and many minor oracles). Shugden has briefly been described, yet the DL himself now, as a state and politicle leader, consults a completely separate oracle, the state ‘Nechung’ oracle. This oracle is often accompanied at the same time by different oracles that interact or act separately. Well that was new.

And here is where divisions between groups seem to have been set up (one aspect), as the DL camp decrees, forbids Dorje Shugden consultation (in the 1990’s certainly). From what can be gathered, the DL camp sees Shugden as more devilish, or interfering with the political, because often there is a political message, as there is with the Nechung oracle. There are two videos that look at the oracles from two sides. One, provides a view of this from within India, the DL’s camp, and the work to suppress the Shugden oracle, which the people are not happy about. Also, the western camp, including the US government, align with the DL, which gets even more complicated.

Okay, so watched this film titled ‘The Dark Side of the Dalai Lama’ which captures Tibetans in India (exiled) and some of the schools/monks. Shugden comes up often in this film; it is not a new film (1998 or so), however it was interesting how some of the old masters said that they had wished they were dead before the decrees came forth from the DL - they are caught in conflict. The monks shown in the beginning are well versed in logic – they practiced the arts of rhetoric and such, and that seems to intertwine so much in their practices.

In the film you can directly catch the DL and the Nechung oracle at the 14:30 mark. The film also brings up the ‘old’ Tibet with the hierarchy of control of the people (15:45) that lasted 350 yrs. When the DL fled Tibet in 1959, he did so after consulting the oracle Nechung, it was said (see 20:35), whereby the oracle sat forward and drew exactly the escape route on paper. However the monks near the end of the film (21:30) who were the original ‘body guards’ of the DL who lead him out of Tibet in 1959, said (one directly) of his original oracle instructions for the DL, which were invaluable in saving his life, and those were not Nechung, it was provided by the Oracle (deity Shugden). These were precise Southern route instructions. Most articles refer to the former oracle and do not mention the latter. Anyway, this monk tells us that the DL now disavows Shugden (even though he is from the same linage) and the monk said that this “contradicts the law of truth”. Truth comes up again later. There is also one old monks who seems to have been at great odds and pains with their duty to their holiness, and now with the will of the exiled government.



In the film, I’m getting that Shogden was the protector of the Dharma’s, and that usurps power from the DL’s camp as it is ingrained in people’s minds. However, the DL says later of Shugden (after politicle commotion) that’s it’s not religion (it is a practice), and then later said he was not threatened by it; hence there is some lifting of the decree in words, yet not completely in actions?

What is the status today exactly? Has the decree ended or is it still in effect, and if so, has time changed it so that the deity is not brought up anymore? Elsewhere in the 'Darkness' thread is also the discussion that is important concerning the Karmapa, and in this case, like in no other time, there are two named; one appointed as is correct in terms of tradition by Sharma Rinpoche and the alternate was appointed by the DL camp. In appointing, this follows the death of the older Karmapa and the lineages seek out ‘signs’ and dreams for his successor. In this case, Karmapa 16 died and left no letters (usually signs/clues to find his successor), and Sharmapa Rinpoche sought a successor out in other ways, yet low and behold the camp aligned with the DL found letters and found their Karmapa – with lots of intrigue in-between groups, some violent.

So, I wanted to know more and found here on this website called Dorje Shogden, the author Michaela Smith bringing up some further points:

"In an interesting turn of events, an explosive open letter to the Dalai Lama has recently come to light. Written by Lodreu Rabsel Rinpoche, who served as the General Secretary to H.H. the 17th Gyalwa Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje in 2011, the letter addresses various points of harassment, intimidation and discrimination attributed to supporters of H.H. the 14th Dalai Lama, which show remarkable similarities to the problems faced by Dorje Shugden practitioners today.”

It continues:

"Clearly, the suppression of religious freedom and human rights by the Dalai Lama and his followers is not only directed at Dorje Shugden practitioners, but has extended to other sects of Tibetan Buddhism, in this instance the Karma Kagyus. In fact, such aggression on the part of the Dalai Lama’s followers is squarely directed at anyone who is seen as opposing the advice, opinions and edicts of the Dalai Lama.

Dorje Shugden practitioners do not wish to intervene or take sides in the Karmapa’s controversy. However, we could not help but notice the similarities between what supporters of Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje and Dorje Shugden practitioners have to endure.”

Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje (TTD) was the Sharmapa’s (Shamar) candidate and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje (OTJ) was the DL’s.

From wiki you can read about the ‘Karmapa Controversy’ Karmapa controversy - Wikipedia and I can’t attest its balance, yet here is the breakdown in short:

As one academic expert in the field testified in court, while the recognition of Ogyen Trinley "appears to have been accepted by a majority of Karma Kagyu monasteries and lamas, there remains a substantial minority of monasteries and lamas who have not accepted Ogyen Trinley as Karmapa. In particular, these include the Shamar Rinpoche, who historically has been the person most directly involved in the process of recognition.

The Karmapa lineage is the most ancient tulku lineage in Tibetan Buddhism, predating the Dalai Lama lineage by more than two centuries.

It is difficult to produce an objective description of the events because the most important developments are known only from conflicting accounts by those involved.

I’ve heard both Karmapa’s talk and the DL’s candidate, OTJ, more recently – and he was lamenting of what has being going on with politics, and he does not want to be a politician and he is acknowledging the rift between sects, and appears to be making some waves on the DL’s side just as much. See here - The ramifications of Karmapa’s shocking special message | Dorje Shugden and Dalai Lama – Spreading Dharma Together

Basically, OTJ says:

1. He did not receive a proper spiritual education.
2. He was forced to be involved in politics, something he was ill-prepared to deal with.
3. So not only did he fail to receive a complete spiritual education, but he was also not given the tools to succeed in a secular environment.
4. He has been controlled for most of his life and implied that his managers and staff failed him.
5. To this day, he does not even have a monastery of his own.
6. There is no end in sight to the Karma Kagyu split.
7. The CTA has a trend of splitting lineages and keeping them divided.

Note: CTA is Central Tibetan Administration (CTA; Tibetan leadership in Dharamsala):

8. His speaking out may encourage other dually-recognized lamas to speak out.
9. Ogyen Trinley reiterated that he is a normal person.
10. Hence doubt is cast over the Dalai Lama’s recognition of him as the rightful Karmapa candidate.
11. Most listeners come away with the conclusion that Ogyen Trinley is planning to abdicate.
12. For a Karmapa candidate to so explicitly state that he is depressed is unprecedented. {pretty human of him}
13. Either way, it is clear that the CTA are losing control.

You can watch him from the original link.

So, there are two Karmapa's, and the one recognized by the DL has a few things to say concerning that camp, which would not have made the 'CT Administration' happy to hear, nor many of the priest monks on that side.

Okay, moving away from the Karmapa’s and back to the oracles, here is a short clip from the Dorjie Shogden website from a mainstream media clips, among others - the DL weighs in – and this seems to have been quite the wedge issue that could dived something like 4 million Tibetans.


Also, the decrees (and charges) have entered formal documents against doctors, nurses, teachers etc - civil people, to renounce their Shugden practice or resign. Some people cannot get visas to leave or other papers processed as the administrative controls are becoming more locked down.

As some say, whatever you want to practice, practice, but this is not being allowed.

I listened and read a whole lot on the Drakpa Gyeltsen (I think reincarnated from Shugden & the fifth DL) - the former was alleged to have been murdered by servants of the 5th DL and bad times followed - this is depicted in this animated film on the life of Shogden here - some of it seems myth, such as no accounts from the papers of the 5th DL ever mention this, although Shogden is mentioned - see here:

However, the often repeated claim of Shugden followers that the Fifth Dalai Lama wrote a praise to Dorje Shugden lacks historical evidence. According to researcher von Brück: there is no historical record of such a praise, neither in the biography of the Fifth Dalai Lama nor elsewhere.

So, when I said protector of the Dharma’s above, the words were used in the context of Protector of all the Dhaama which is against Unsuitable Mara.

Something about a lot of this seemed, as a thought at least, to be in the hyperdimensonal realm - what I mean was mentioned above in that in Delphi it was reported that people, on behalf of their society at large, would approach the oracle with questions, and response would provide instructions; like Shugden is said to have done in life and from beyond, on events and people – like who was up to no good etc. I can see that a political structure would not especially like that if followers were forewarned against them. Does this make the DL camp fear the Shugden oracle?

I watched the interview with Gyalwang Drukpa (Drukpa Kagyu) and thought it interesting - here is what it says in the article:

On September 10th 2014, Gyalwang Drukpa published an open letter appealing for the stoppage of forced conversion of Drukpa Kagyu monasteries and holy sites to Karma Kagyu, which was done by those ostensibly in support of Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje and the Dalai Lama.

I was a little confused over this - who’s who, Karma Kagyu (is known) - so there is all this parallel stuff going on; Shugden, Karmapa etc.


Elsewhere I read:

In 2016 it appears that the DL changed his mind:

Dalai Lama Says We Can Practise Dorje Shugden Finally!
http://www.tsemrinpoche.com/tsem-tulku-rinpoche/current-affairs/dalai-lama-says-we-can-practise-dorje-shugden-finally.html

Dear friends around the world,

I have such great news to share and I am ecstatic about this turn of events. I reverentially fold my hands to His Holiness the Dalai Lama for making these recent announcements as published in phayul.com, Dalailama.com and a video. These are the things His Holiness the Dalai Lama has said recently:

His Holiness has said that Dorje Shugden does not harm him

Since it does not harm him, it does not harm the Tibetan cause because the Dalai Lama is the upholder of the Tibetan cause

His Holiness the Dalai Lama said we can practise Dorje Shugden

His Holiness the Dalai Lama even said where we can go if we want to rely on Dorje Shugden, when he tells the audience that there are monasteries adjacent to Gaden and Sera that practise Dorje Shugden (Shar Gaden Monastery and Serpom Monastery)”

So okay, yet this seems to be in India and parts of Tibet, yet I’m still not sure.

Somewhere in other posts are cited Victor & Victoria Trimondi who are not so keen on the DL, yet I don't know what is embellished in what they say (as a caution). In their 'The Shadow of the Dalai Lama' (Part II - 7), it brings up the Oracle wars. They seem to have done a pretty good job at bringing in the history and divisions, and they provide mention (as seen in the first film) back when there was murder going on (two children) and the blame was put on Shugden followers. Either that was so or not, as they reference. It's long yet added for their view:

THE WAR OF THE ORACLE GODS AND THE SHUGDEN AFFAIR

The Tibetan state oracle

In the Tibet of old, the state oracle (or rather its human medium) lived, as one of the highest ranking lamas in the Nechung residence. “It” had at its command a considerable “court” and celebrated its liturgies in a temple of its own. The predominant color of the interior temple was black. On the walls of the gloomy shrine hung mysterious weapons, from which great magical effects were supposed to emanate. In the corners lurked stuffed birds, tigers, and leopards. Pictures of terror gods looked back at the visitor, who suddenly stood in front of a mask of dried leather feared across the whole country. Among the chief iconographic motifs of the temple was the depiction of human ribcages.

The Tibetans can be described without exaggeration as being “addicted to oracles”. The most varied methods of augury and clairvoyance have been an everyday presence in the Land of Snows since time immemorial. The following types of oracle, all of which are still employed (among the Tibetans in exile as well), are described on an Internet site: doughball divination, dice divination, divination on a rosary, bootstrap divination, the interpretation of “incidental” signs, clairvoyant dreams, examining flames, observing a butter lamp, mirror divination, shoulder-blade divination, and hearing divination (HPI 10). When the “Great Fifth” seized worldly power in Tibet in the 17th century, he founded the institution of a state oracle so as to be able to obtain divinatory advice about the business of government. This is a matter of a human medium who serves as the mouthpiece of a particular deity. Still today, this form of “supernatural” consultation forms an important division within the Tibetan government in exile. The opinions of oracles are obtained for all important political events, often by the Fourteenth Dalai Lama in person. He is — in the accusations of his opponents — all but obsessed by divinations; it is primarily the prophecies of the state oracle which are mentioned. But before we examine this accusation, we should take a closer look at the history and character of this “state oracle”.


The Tibetan state oracle

In the Tibet of old, the state oracle (or rather its human medium) lived, as one of the highest ranking lamas in the Nechung residence. “It” had at its command a considerable “court” and celebrated its liturgies in a temple of its own. The predominant color of the interior temple was black. On the walls of the gloomy shrine hung mysterious weapons, from which great magical effects were supposed to emanate. In the corners lurked stuffed birds, tigers, and leopards. Pictures of terror gods looked back at the visitor, who suddenly stood in front of a mask of dried leather feared across the whole country. Among the chief iconographic motifs of the temple was the depiction of human ribcages.

At the beginning of an oracle session, the Nechung Lama is sent into a trance via all manner of ritual song and incense. After a while eyes close, his facial muscles begin to twitch, his brow becomes dark red and glistens with sweat. The prophet god then visibly enters him, then during his trance the medium develops — and this is confirmed by photographs and western eyewitness reports — almost superhuman powers. He can bend iron swords and, although he carries a metal crown weighing over 80 pounds (!) on his head, perform a wild dance. Incomprehensible sounds come from his foaming lips. This is supposed to be a sacred language. Only once it has been deciphered by the priests can the content of the oracle message be recognized.

The deity conjured up by the Nechung Lama is called Pehar or Pedkar. However often only his adjutant is invoked, Dorje Drakden by name. This is because a direct appearance by Pehar can be so violent that it threatens the life of his medium (the Nechung Lama). Pehar has under his command a group of five wrathful gods, who together are called the “protective wheel”. It seems sensible to make a few thoughts about this prophesying god, who has for centuries exercised such a decisive influence upon Tibetan politics and still continues to do so.

In iconographic representations, Pehar has three faces of different colors. He wears a bamboo hat which is crowned with a vajra upon his head. In his hands he holds a bow and arrow, a sword, a cleaver, and a club. His mount is a snow lion.

Pehar’s original home lay in the north of Tibet, there where in the conception of the old Tibetans (in the Gesar epic) the “devil’s country” was to be found. In earlier times he reigned as war god of the Hor Mongols. According to the sagas, this wild tribe was counted among the bitterest opponents of the pre-Buddhist Tibetans and their national hero, Gesar of Ling.

Old documents from Tunhuang describe the Hor as “flesh-eating red demons” (Stein, 1993, p. 36). Their martial king had laid waste to the Land of Snows and stolen its queen, the wife of Gesar of Ling. After terrible battles the Tibetan national hero defeated the rapacious Hors, to whom we are indebted for the word horde, and won their commitment and that of their chief god, Pehar, with an eternal oath of loyalty. Over the centuries the term Hor was then used to refer to various Mongolian tribes, including those of Genghis Khan. Hence, Pehar (the principal oracle god of the Dalai Lama) was originally a bitter arch-enemy of the Tibetans.

Where Gesar had rendered the Mongol god harmless, it was the Maha Siddha Padmasambhava (Guru Rinpoche) who brought Buddhism to Tibet who first succeeded in actually putting Pehar to work. The saga tells how Guru Rinpoche pressed a vajra upon the barbaric god’s head and thus magically mastered him. After this act, Pehar was able to be incorporated into the Buddhist pantheon as a servant. For seven hundred years his chief residence was the founding monastery Samye, by the construction of which he had to assist as a “forced laborer”. About 900 years later the “Great Fifth” transported him (i.e., his symbol) to Nechung in the vicinity of the Drepung monastery and advanced the former war god of the Hor to state oracle. Since, after his “Buddhization”, he did not want to be reminded of his former defeat (by the national hero, Gesar), not a single verse from the Gesar epic was allowed to be cited in the Drepung monastery or at any other location where he had stayed.

The question soon arises as to why of all gods Pehar, the former ferocious and cruel opponent of the Land of Snows, was given the delicate office of being a supernatural governmental advisor to the Tibetan “god-king”. Surely this would have sooner been the entitlement of a Bodhisattva like Avalokiteshvara or a national hero like Gesar of Ling.

With this question too, the key is to be sought in the “political theology” of the “Great Fifth”. We may recall that both the conferring of the title of Dalai Lama and the establishment of the hierarch’s secular power were the actions of the Mongolians and not of the Tibetan people. In contrast, as we have reported, in the 17th century the national forces of the country were actually gathered under the kings of Tsang and around the throne of the Karmapa (the leader of the “red” Kagyupa sect). Thus, it does not take much fantasy to be able to sketch out why Pehar was chosen as the advisor of the “yellow” Buddhist state (then represented by the Fifth Dalai Lama). It was expected of the former Mongolian god and opponent of Tibet that he tame the recalcitrant Tibetans (who supported the Karmapa). In this his interests were in complete accord with those of the “god-king”. Additionally, the “Great Fifth” himself was a descendant of an aristocratic family which traced its lineage back to the Hor Mongols. Pehar, the later state oracle, is thus a foreign deity imposed upon the Tibetan people.

It is true that the oracle god has sworn an oath of loyalty, but it is — in the lamas’ opinion — by no means ruled out that he may one day break this and unleash his full vengeance upon the Tibetans who defeated him in times gone by. He has in his own words explained to Padmasambhava what will then happen. He will destroy the houses and the fields. The children of the Land of Snows will have to endure famine and will be driven insane. The fruit of the and will be destroyed by hail and swarms of insects. The strong will be carried off and only the weak shall survive. Wars shall devastate the roof of the world. Pehar himself will interrupt the meditations of the lamas, rob their spells of their magic power, and force them to commit suicide. Brothers will rape their sisters. He will make the wisdom consorts (the mudras) of the tantra masters bad and heretical, yes, transform them into enemies of the teaching who emigrate to the lands of the unbelievers. But first he shall copulate with them. “I,” Pehar proclaims, “the lord of the temples, the stupas and scriptures, I shall possess the fair bodies of all virgins” (Sierksma, 1966, p. 165).

In the sphere of practical politics the recommendations of the Mongolian martial god have also not always been advantageous for the Tibetans. For example, he gave the Thirteenth Dalai Lama the catastrophic advice that he should attack the British army under Colonel Younghusband which led to a massacre of the Tibetan soldiers.

Current politics and the oracle system

One would think that the Tibetans in exile would these days have distanced themselves from such a warlike deity as Pehar, who constantly threatens them with bloody acts of revenge, especially after their experiences at the hands of the Chinese occupying forces. One would further assume that, given the Kundun’s strident professions of democracy, the oracle system as such would be in decline or have even been abandoned. But the opposite is the case: in Dharamsala the divinatory arts, astrology, the interpretation of dreams, and even the drawing of lots still have a most decisive (!) influence upon the politics of the Tibetans in exile. Every (!) politically significant step is first taken once the mediums, soothsayers, and court astrologers have been consulted, every important state-political activity requires the invocation of the wrathful Mongolian god, Pehar. This tendency has increased in recent years. Today there are said to be three further mediums (who represent different deities) whose services are made use of. Among these is a young and attractive girl from an eastern province of Tibet. Some members of the community of Tibetans in exile are therefore of the opinion that the various oracles misuse His Holiness the Fourteenth Dalai Lama for their own ends and force their will upon him.

Now, how does the “god-king” see this through his own eyes? “Even some Tibetans,” we learn from the Kundun, “mostly those who consider themselves 'progressive', have misgivings about my continued use of this ancient method of intelligence gathering. But I do so for the simple reason that as I look back over the many occasions when I have asked questions of the oracle, on each one of them time has proved that his answer was correct” (Dalai Lama XIV, 1993 I, p. 312). “I not only believe in spirits, but in various kinds of spirits!”, His Holiness further admits, “... To this category belongs the state oracle Nechung (Pehar). We consider these spirits reliable, then they have a long history without any controversy in over 1000 years” (Tagesanzeiger (Switzerland), March 23, 1998). Pehar determined the point in time in which the Dalai Lama had to flee Tibet and with the statement “that the shine of the 'wish-fulfilling jewel' [one of the Dalai Lama’s names] will light up in the West” predicted the spread of Buddhism in Europe and North America. (Dalai Lama XIV, 1993a, p. 154).

Even the aggression of his oracle god is not denied by the Kundun: “ His [task], in his capacity as protector and defender, is wrathful. [!] However, although our functions are similar, my relationship with Nechung is that of commander to lieutenant: I never bow down to him. It is for Nechung to bow to the Dalai Lama” (Dalai Lama XIV, 1993 I, p. 312). This statement confirms once again that from a tantric viewpoint, the politics of the Tibetans in exile is not conducted by people, but by gods. As Avalokiteshvara and the Kalachakra deity, the Dalai Lama commands the Mongolian god, Pehar, to make predictions about the future. [1] The Kundun’s comment in this quotation that his functions and the “functions” of Pehar are “similar” is ambiguous. Does he want to allude to his own “wrathful aspect” here? On September 4, 1987 a new Nechung medium was enthroned in Dharamsala, since the old one had died three years before. His official confirmation was attained following a demonstrative trance session at which the Kundun, cabinet members of the Tibetan government in exile and the parliamentary chairman were present. About two months later another séance was held before the Council of Ministers and a number of high lamas. This illustrious assembly of the highest ranking representatives of the Tibetan people shows how the political prophecies and instructions of the god Pehar are taken seriously not just by the Dalai Lama but also by the “people’s representatives” of the Tibetans in exile. Thus, in political decisions neither reason nor the majority of votes, nor even public opinion have the last word, but rather the Mongolian oracle god.

Dorje Shugden—a threat to the Fourteenth Dalai Lama’s life?

Since 1996 at the latest, Pehar and his Nechung medium have met with embittered competition from among the Tibetan’s own ranks. This is a matter of the tutelary and divinatory deity, Dorje Shugden. In pictures, Dorje Shugden is depicted riding grim-faced through a lake of boiling blood upon a snow lion. It is primarily conservative circles among the Gelugpas (the “Yellow Hats”) who have grouped around this figure. They demand the exclusive supremacy of the yellow sect (the Gelugpas) over the other Buddhist schools.

This traditional political position of the Shugden worshippers is not acceptable to the Fourteenth Dalai Lama (although he himself is a member of the yellow sect) because he is working towards an integration of all Tibet’s religious orientations, including the Bonpos. With the same resolve as the “Great Fifth” he sees a one-off chance to multiply the power of his own institution in a collective movement involving all schools. It is therefore not surprising that even the early history of Dorje Shugden features an irreconcilable confrontation between the protective god and the Fifth Dalai Lama, which appears to be repeating itself today.

What took place on that occasion, and what has been the history of the recalcitrant Shugden? The “pan-Buddhist” program of the “Great Fifth”, but especially his occult tendency towards the Nyingmapa sect, led the abbot of the powerful Drepung (Yellow Hat) monastery, Drakpa Gyaltsen, to organize a rebellion against the ruler in the Potala. The conspiracy was discovered and was not carried out.


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The two oracle gods at daggers drawn: Shugden [l] and Nechung [r]

Most probably at the command of the in such matters unscrupulous god-king, the rebel was murdered first. Whilst the corpse was being burned on a pyre, a threatening cloud which resembled a huge black hand, the hand of the avenger, was formed by the ascending smoke. After his death the murdered lama, Drakpa Gyaltsen, transformed into a martial spirit and took on the fearsome name of Dorje Shugden, which means the “Bellower of the Thunderbolt”. He continued to pursue his political goals from the beyond.

Shortly after his death — the legend reports — all manner of unhappy incidents befell the country. Towns and villages were afflicted with sicknesses. The Tibetan government constantly made wrong decisions, even the Fifth Dalai Lama was not spared. Every time he wanted to have a meal in the middle of the day, his victim (Dorje Shugden) manifested himself as an invisible evil force, up-ended the dinner tables and damaged the “ His Holiness’s possessions”. [2] Ultimately it proved possible to subdue the vengeful spirit through all manner of rituals, but he did not therefore remain inactive.

With the assistance of a human medium, through whom he still today communicates with his priests, the abbot who had transformed into a protective god organized (from the beyond, so to speak) a oppositional grouping within the Yellow Hat (Gelugpa) order, who wanted (and still want) to enforce the absolute supremacy of their order by magical and practical political means. For example, at the beginning of the 20th century the invocation of Shugden by the powerful Yellow Hat lama, Pabongka Rinpoche, was used to suppress the Nyingmapas and Kagyupas in eastern Tibet. An outright ritual war was fought out: “... whenever this [Shugden] ritual was practiced in the Gelugpa monasteries, the surrounding monasteries of the other schools [performed] certain practices so as to check the negative forces again” (Kagyü Life 21-1996, p. 34).

Nonetheless the “reactionary” Shugden movement constantly gained in popularity, especially among members of the Tibetan nobility too. Later, this “sub-sect” of the Yellow Hats came to understand itself as a secret nest of resistance against the Chinese occupation force, since the traditional protectors of Tibet (Palden Lhamo or Pehar, for example) had allegedly betrayed and left the country. One of the chief representatives of the secret conservative alliance (Trijang Rinpoche) was a teacher of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, who himself initiated his divine pupil into the Shugden cult.

The reverence for Shugden is likewise high among the Tibetans in exile, and is well distributed worldwide (everywhere where Gelugpas are to be found). A fifth, in some other versions even two-thirds, of the yellow sect are said to pray to the reactionary dharmapala (tutelary spirit). But in the meantime the movement has also spread among Westerners. These are primarily from the New Kadampa Tradition (NKT), an English-based grouping around the lama Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. The declaration of exclusion from his former monastery says of the latter that, “this demon with broken commitments, Kelsang Gyatso, burns with the flame of unbearable spite toward the unsurpassed omniscient XIV Dalai Lama, the only staff of life of religious people in Tibet, whose activities and kindness equal the sky” (Lopez, 1998, p. 195). His supporters provide online information about their conflict with Dharamsala under the name of the Shugden Supporters Community (SSC).


The Kundun and Shugden

It is true that in the year 1976 the Fourteenth Dalai Lama had already declared that he did not wish for his person to associated in any way with Dorje Shugden, especially because the worship of this “reactionary” spirit had come into conflict with three other dharmapalas (tutelary gods) which he revered highly, the oracle god Pehar, the terrible Palden Lhamo, and the protective god Dharmaraja. Rumors report of a dream of the Kundun in which Shugden and Pehar had fought with one another. On a number of occasions Pehar prophesied via the Nechung Lama that Shugden was attempting to undermine the sovereignty of the Kundun and thus deliver Tibet into the hands of the Chinese. The Mongolian god received unexpected support in his accusations through a young attractive female medium by name of Tsering Chenma, who, during the preparations for a Kalachakra initiation (!) in Lahaul Spiti announced that 30 members of the Dorje Shugden Society would attack the Dalai Lama in the course of the initiation. Thereupon the Kundun’s security staff searched all present for weapons. Nothing was found and not a single representative of the Shugden society was in attendance (Burns, Newsgroup 1).

Yet another, female (!) oracle was questioned about the Shugden affair. During the session and in the presence of the Dalai Lama, the woman is supposed to have fallen upon a monk and whilst she tore at his clothes and shook his head cried out: “This Lama is bad, he is following Dorje Shugden, take him out, take him out” (Burns, Newsgroup 9).

The majority of the Tibetans in exile were naturally not informed about such incidents, which were more or less played out behind closed doors, and were thus most surprised at the sharpness and lack of compromise with which the Kundun repeated his criticisms of the Shugden movement in 1996.

On March 21, during the initiation into a particular tantra (Hayagriva) he turned to those present with the following words: “I have recently said several prayers for the well-being of our nation and religion. It has become fairly clear that Dolgyal [another name for Shugden] is a spirit of the dark forces. ... If any of you intend to continue to invoke Dolgyal [Shugden], it would be better for you to stay away from this authorization, to stand up and leave this place. It is unfitting if you continue to sit here. It will be of no use to you. It will in contrast have the effect of shortening the life of the Gyalwa Rinpoche [of the Dalai Lama, that is, his own life]. Which is not good. If there are, however, some among you who want that Gyalwa Rinpoche [he himself] should soon die, then just stay” (Kagyü Life 21-1996, p. 35).

At another location the Kundun announced his fear that Shugden was seeking to spoil all his pleasure in life via psychic terror: “You should not think that dangers for my life come only from someone armed with a knife, a gun or a bomb. Such an event is extremely unlikely. But dangers to my life may arise if my advice is constantly spurned, causing me to feel discouraged and to see no further purpose in life” (Kashag, HPI 11).

Such statements by His Holiness may imply that the Dalai Lama (and behind him the Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara) is very fearful of this vengeful spirit, which induced the Indian Associated Press to make the mocking comment that, “a 350-year old ghost is haunting the Dalai Lama” (Associated Press, August 21, 1997, 2:54 a.m.). At any rate,, the god-king’s security service which protects his residence in Dharamsala in the meantime consists of 100 police officers.

The following statement by the Kundun has been leaked from a secret meeting of influential exiled Tibetan politicians and high lamas which the Dalai Lama called to discuss the Shugden case in Caux (Switzerland): “Everyone who is affiliated with the Tibetan Society of Ganden Phodrang government (Tibetan Government) should relinquish ties with Dhogyal (Shugden). This is necessary since it poses danger to the religious and temporal situation in Tibet. As for foreigners, it makes no difference to us if they walk with their feet up and their head down. We have taught Dharma to them, not they to us. ... We should do it [carry out this ban] in such a way to ensure that in future generations not even the name of Dholgyal [Shugden] is remembered” (Burns, Newsgroup 1).

Numerous Tibetans who had in the past been initiated into the Shugden cult by the personal teacher of the Kundun, Trijang Rinpoche, and believed that through this they enjoyed His Holiness’s favor, saw themselves all at once betrayed after the ban and felt deeply disappointed. For the sophisticated Dalai Lama, however, the sectarian position of the “yellow fundamentalists” and “sectarians” was no longer bearable and quite obviously a significant obstacle on his mission to compel all sects to accept his absolute control and thus limit the supremacy of the Gelugpas. “This Shugden spirit”, the Kundun has said, “has for over 360 years created tensions between the Gelug tradition and the other schools. ... Some may [because of the ban] have lost trust in me. But at the same time numerous followers of the Kagyupa or Nyingma schools have recognized that the Dalai Lama is pursuing a truly non-sectarian course. I believe this Shugden worship has been like an agonizing boil for 360 years. Now like a modern surgeon I have undertaken a small operation” (Tagesanzeiger (Switzerland), March 23, 1998).

He then also branded the Shugden cult as “idolatry” and as a “relapse into shamanism” (Süddeutsche Zeitung, 1997, No. 158, p. 10). On March 30, 1996 the ban on the worship of Shugden was pronounced by governmental decree. The “mouthpiece” of the Kundun in the USA, Robert Thurman, emotionally denounced the “sectarians” and publicly disparaged them as the “Taliban of Buddhism”.

In the meantime the accusations coming out of Dharamsala against the Shugden worshippers fill many pages: they were cooperating with the Chinese and received funding from Beijing; they were fouling their own nest; they were playing “Russian roulette”, because they dragged the whole exile Tibetan case (and thereby themselves) into the depths. They were trying to kill the Kundun.

The accusations made by the Shugden worshippers

On the other hand, the Shugden followers, whose leader has meanwhile been officially declared to be an “enemy of the people”, speak of a true witch hunt directed against them which has already been in progress for a number of months. They accuse the Dalai Lama of a flagrant breach of human rights and the right to freedom of religion and do not shy from drawing comparisons with the Chinese occupation force and the Catholic Inquisition. Houses belonging to the sect are said to have been illegally searched by followers of the Kundun, masked bands of thugs to have attacked defenseless Shugden believers, images of and altars to the protective god to have been deliberately burned and thrown into rivers. Lists of the names of Dorje Shugden practitioners ("enemies of the people”) are said to have been drawn up and pictures of them and their children to have been hung out in public buildings so as to defame them. It is said that followers of the protective deity have been completely refused entry to the offices of the government in exile and that the children of their families no longer have access to the official schools. Following a resolution of the so-called Tibetan Cholsum Convention (held between August 27 and 31, 1998) Shugden followers were unable to travel internationally or draw pensions, state child assistance, or social security payments. In it, Tibetans are forbidden to read the writings of the cult and they were called upon to burn them.

A militant underground organization with the name of the “secret society for the destruction of internal and external enemies of Tibet” threatened to murder two young lineage holders, the lamas Kyabje Trijang Rinpoche (13-years-old) [3] and Song Rinpoche (11-years-old), who (under the influence of their teacher) performed rites in honor of Dorje Shugden: “… we will destroy your life and your activities” (Swiss Television, SF1, January 6, 1998). In a document from this group tabled by Shugden followers, it says: “Anyone who goes against the policy of the government must be singled out one-pointedly, opposed and given the death penalty. ... As for the reincarnations of Trijang and Song Rinpoche, if they do not stop practicing Dhogyal [Shugden] and contradict with the word of H.HH. the Dalai Lama, not only will we not be able to respect them, but their life and their activities will suffer destruction. This is our first warning” (Burns, Newsgroup 1). Whilst a Western television crew were filming, a Tibetan monk who cooperated with the reporters received a death threat: “... in seven days you will be dead!” (Swiss Television, SF1, January 6, 1998).

In addition Dharamsala has exerted vehement psychological pressure on Buddhist centers in the West and forbidden them from performing Shugden rituals. In a word — the worshippers of the protective god had become the “Jews of Buddhism” (Newsweek, April 28, 1997, p. 26).

In London, where the sect has around 3000 members, there were protest demonstrations at which pictures of the Kundun were held high with the slogan, “Your Smiles Charm, Your Actions Harm”. He was referred to here as a “merciless dictator, who oppresses his people more than the Chinese do” (Kagyü Life 21, 1996, p. 34).

However, in an official communiqué from May 14, 1996, the government in exile denied all accusations. In contrast — they announced that death threats had been sent from Shugden to the offices of His Holiness and the Tibetan Women's Association. “If there comes division among prominent persons in the Yellow Hat Sect, there will be bloodshed in the monasteries and settlements across India”, one of the threatening letters is said to have stated (Newsweek, April 28, 1997, p. 26; retranslation). Both sides clearly fear that their lives are threatened by the other side.

All these mutual fears, accusations, and slander in the battle between the two oracle gods reached their climax in the ritual murder of the lama Lobsang Gyatso on February 4, 1997 which we have described above. Lobsang Gyatso was considered a special friend of the Dalai Lama and a pronounced opponent of the Shugden sect. A few days after the murder a press release from the government in exile coursed around the world in which Dorje Shugden followers were said to certainly be responsible for the murder. There was talk of confessions and arrests. This opinion remains current among a broad public to this day.

As evidence, among other things a letter to the murder victim (Lobsang Gyatso) was cited in which (it was said) the secretary of the Dorje Shugden Society had threatened the abbot with murder. Tashi Wangdu, a minister of the Tibetan government in exile, held this document, written in Tibetan, in his hand and showed it again on January 25, 1998 in Swiss Television (on the “Sternstunde”[Star Hour] program). However, this turned out to be a deliberate and very blatant attempt to mislead, then the Tibetan document, which was later translated, does not contain a single word of a murder threat. Rather, it contains a polite invitation to Lobsang Gyatso to discuss “theological” questions with the Dorje Shugden Society in Delhi (Gassner, 1999).

But this document was enough to arrest all known followers of the protective god (Shugden) in Delhi and illegally imprison them. However, they denied participating in the crime in any form whatsoever. [4] Indeed, despite interrogations lasting weeks by the Indian criminal police, nothing has been proven. The evidence is so meager that it is most likely that the crime was committed by another party. The matter was also seen so by a court in Dharamsala, which negated any connection between the Dorje Shugden Society and the murders of February 4.

For this reason, there are claims from the Shugden followers that the Dalai Lama’s circle tried to pin the blame on them in order to muzzle and marginalize them. In light of the power-political ambitions and relative strength of the sect — it is said to have over 20,000 active members in India alone — this version also makes sense. Some western worshippers of the protective god even go so far as to claim that a higher order from the Kundun lay behind the deed. Until the murderers are convicted, a good criminologist must keep his or her eye on all of these possibilities.


Reactions of the Tibetan parliament

Within the Tibetan parliament in exile, the incidents have led to great nervousness and high tension. A resolution was passed demanding that “in essence government departments, organizations, associations, monasteries and their branches under the direction of the exile Tibetan government should abide by the ban against worship of Dhogyal” (Burns, Newsgroup 1).

In the further reactions of the people’s representatives one can read just how risky the whole matter is seen to be. Hence, during the parliamentary session of September 20, 1997 one of the members established that “an unprecedented amount of literature is being published everywhere that criticizes the Dalai Lama and belittles the Tibetan Exile Government” (Burns, Newsgroup 1). This is “extremely dangerous” and in the principal monasteries there was open talk of a schism. During the parliamentary session the government was strongly criticized for not having done anything to treat the Shugden affair as a internal Tibetan matter, but rather to have told the whole world about it, thus bringing it to the attention of an international public. We have to conclude from the committed discussions of the parliamentary members that the power and potential influence of the Shugden followers are actually more significant than one would have thought from the previous official statements out of Dharamsala.

On the third day of the session the situation in parliament had reached such a dead end that there seemed to be nothing more to say. What do the representatives of Tibetans in exile do in such a situation? — They consult the state oracle! It is not the members of parliament as the representatives of the people’s will but rather the oracle god Pehar who decides which course the government is to steer in the controversy surrounding the recalcitrant Dorje Shugden. The grotesqueness of the situation can hardly be topped, since Pehar and Shugden — as we learn from the writings of both parties — are the most bitter of enemies. How, then, is the Mongolian god (Pehar) supposed to provide an objective judgment about his arch-enemy (Shugden)? Indeed, it was Pehar, who in 1996 prophesied for the Dalai Lama that his life and hence the fate of Tibet wee endangered by the Shugden cult. In contrast , the Shugden oracle announced that the Kundun has been falsely advised by Pehar for years. Hence what the state oracle consulted by parliament would say was clear in advance. The advice was to combat the Shugden followers with uncompromising keenness.

This interesting case is thus a matter of a war between two oracle gods who seek control over the politics of Tibet. No other example since the flight of the Dalai Lama (in 1959) has so clearly revealed to the public that “gods” are at work behind the Tibetan state, the realpolitik of the Kundun, and the power groupings of the society of Tibetans in exile. One may well be completely skeptical about such entities, but one cannot avoid acknowledging that the ruling elite and the subjects of the Lamaist state are guided by just such an ancient world view. How these occult struggles are to be reconciled with the untiringly repeated professions of belief in democracy is difficult to comprehend from a western-oriented way of thinking.

Dharamsala is completely aware that antidemocratic methods must arouse disquiet in the West. For example, in contrast to before, since the mid-eighties reports about the pronouncements of oracles no longer play a large role in the Tibetan Review (the exile Tibetans’ most important foreign-language organ of the press). Only since the “Shugden affair” (1996) has the excessive use of oracle mediums in the politics of the Tibetans in exile been rediscovered and become known worldwide. In monastic circles it is openly joked that the Kundun employs more oracles than ministers. “Favorites and sorcerers manipulate the sovereign”, it says in a Spanish magazine, with “demons and deities fighting to control people's minds ...” (Más Allá de la Ciencia, No. 103, 1997).

Nevertheless, the Kundun has succeeded amazingly well in marginalizing the Shugden cult internationally and branding it as medieval superstition. For example, the German news magazine, Der Spiegel, which normally takes an extremely critical stance towards religious matters, was prepared to blindly take up the official version of the Shugden story from Dharamsala: the Shugden followers, Der Spiegel reported, were responsible for two (!) murders and their flight could be traced to China and the Chinese secret service (Spiegel, 16/1998, p. 119). Nearly all western media stereotypically repeat that the ritual murderers came from the ranks of the protective god (for example, Time Magazine Asia, September 28, 1998).

One of the arguments of the Shugden followers in this “battle of the gods” is the claim that the Dalai Lama is engaged in selling his own country to the Chinese. He (they argue) is not acting in the interests of his people at all, since in his Strasbourg Declaration he renounced the national sovereignty of Tibet as his goal.

It is not possible for us to form a final judgment about such a charge; however, what we can in any case assume is the fact that the Mongolian war god Pehar (the Nechung oracle) can have no interest in the (well-being of the)Tibetans and their nation, against whom he in former times grimly struggled as a Hor Mongol and who then enslaved him. Of course, the national interests of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama could also collide with his worldwide ambitions concerning the spread of Tantric Buddhism. We shall return to this topic in our article on his politics towards China.

If — as the tantric belief maintains- deities are pulling the strings behind the scenes of “human” politics, then a direct consequence of this is that magic (as an invocatory art of gaining influence over gods and demons) must be counted among the “political” activities par excellence. Magic as statecraft is therefore a Tibetan specialty. Let us take a closer look at this “portfolio”.

Footnotes:


[1] Here we ought to ask how a lesser deity like Pehar is able to predict the future at all for the hierarchically superior Bodhisattva Avalokiteshvara and the incarnated time god (Kalachakra) who are embodied in the Dalai Lama.

[2] According to statements by the followers of Shugden, the Fifth Dalai Lama is supposed to have later changed his mind and prayed to the protective deity. He is even said to have molded the first statue of Dorje Shugden with his own hands and have composed prayers to the protective god. This statue is said to currently be found in Nepal.

[3] Trijang Rinpoche is the reincarnation of the deceased lama who previously initiated the Fourteenth Dalai Lama into the Shugden cult whilst his teacher.

[4] Up until now (February 1998) the police claim to have identified two of the six murderers. These have slipped over the border into Nepal, however.


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Of the oracle, Shugden, I’ve asked myself why has it stirred up so much controversy (he is reported as being an old important deity to assist/train monks in meditation and as a source for oracle/divination, I think)
Your post gave rise to still more questions, thank you Voyageur. In this post, I will address some of them. First there is more details about the Shugden story, presented from different perspectives, next a much shorter presentation of Nechung, then there are a few links about how this oracle actually works, then an excerpt about what the difference between an oracle and a shaman is, followed by a note about the Karmapa controversy.

More on the history behind Dorje Shugden
Here is first a story about the origin of Dorje Shugden on The Shadow of the Dalai Lama Part II 7
Dorje Shugden—a threat to the Fourteenth Dalai Lama’s life?

Since 1996 at the latest, Pehar and his Nechung medium have met with embittered competition from among the Tibetan’s own ranks. This is a matter of the tutelary and divinatory deity, Dorje Shugden. In pictures, Dorje Shugden is depicted riding grim-faced through a lake of boiling blood upon a snow lion. It is primarily conservative circles among the Gelugpas (the “Yellow Hats”) who have grouped around this figure. They demand the exclusive supremacy of the yellow sect (the Gelugpas) over the other Buddhist schools.

This traditional political position of the Shugden worshippers is not acceptable to the Fourteenth Dalai Lama (although he himself is a member of the yellow sect) because he is working towards an integration of all Tibet’s religious orientations, including the Bonpos. With the same resolve as the “Great Fifth” he sees a one-off chance to multiply the power of his own institution in a collective movement involving all schools. It is therefore not surprising that even the early history of Dorje Shugden features an irreconcilable confrontation between the protective god and the Fifth Dalai Lama, which appears to be repeating itself today.

What took place on that occasion, and what has been the history of the recalcitrant Shugden? The “pan-Buddhist” program of the “Great Fifth”, but especially his occult tendency towards the Nyingmapa sect, led the abbot of the powerful Drepung (Yellow Hat) monastery, Drakpa Gyaltsen, to organize a rebellion against the ruler in the Potala. The conspiracy was discovered and was not carried out.
The Shugden problem has its basis in an old struggle for power among competing sects.

Most probably at the command of the in such matters unscrupulous god-king, the rebel was murdered first. Whilst the corpse was being burned on a pyre, a threatening cloud which resembled a huge black hand, the hand of the avenger, was formed by the ascending smoke. After his death the murdered lama, Drakpa Gyaltsen, transformed into a martial spirit and took on the fearsome name of Dorje Shugden, which means the “Bellower of the Thunderbolt”. He continued to pursue his political goals from the beyond.

Shortly after his death — the legend reports — all manner of unhappy incidents befell the country. Towns and villages were afflicted with sicknesses. The Tibetan government constantly made wrong decisions, even the Fifth Dalai Lama was not spared. Every time he wanted to have a meal in the middle of the day, his victim (Dorje Shugden) manifested himself as an invisible evil force, up-ended the dinner tables and damaged the “ His Holiness’s possessions”. [2] Ultimately it proved possible to subdue the vengeful spirit through all manner of rituals, but he did not therefore remain inactive.
Har to say what happened, whether curses, belief, coincidences or interference from 4D STS
The struggle for power continued and it shows the mechanics through which events generate concepts which give rise myth, traditions and rituals
With the assistance of a human medium, through whom he still today communicates with his priests, the abbot who had transformed into a protective god organized (from the beyond, so to speak) a oppositional grouping within the Yellow Hat (Gelugpa) order, who wanted (and still want) to enforce the absolute supremacy of their order by magical and practical political means. For example, at the beginning of the 20th century the invocation of Shugden by the powerful Yellow Hat lama, Pabongka Rinpoche, was used to suppress the Nyingmapas and Kagyupas in eastern Tibet. An outright ritual war was fought out: “... whenever this [Shugden] ritual was practiced in the Gelugpa monasteries, the surrounding monasteries of the other schools [performed] certain practices so as to check the negative forces again” (Kagyü Life 21-1996, p. 34).
Nonetheless the “reactionary” Shugden movement constantly gained in popularity, especially among members of the Tibetan nobility too. Later, this “sub-sect” of the Yellow Hats came to understand itself as a secret nest of resistance against the Chinese occupation force, since the traditional protectors of Tibet (Palden Lhamo or Pehar, for example) had allegedly betrayed and left the country. One of the chief representatives of the secret conservative alliance (Trijang Rinpoche) was a teacher of the Fourteenth Dalai Lama, who himself initiated his divine pupil into the Shugden cult.
This Shugden worship did not really start out as an oracle for the people, it was an oracle for a fraction of Gelugpa monks that wanted power. Perhaps it is gaining or had gained popularity. One begins to understand how something like a Yahweh could get a hold of the mind of people.

The reverence for Shugden is likewise high among the Tibetans in exile, and is well distributed worldwide (everywhere where Gelugpas are to be found). A fifth, in some other versions even two-thirds, of the yellow sect are said to pray to the reactionary dharmapala (tutelary spirit). But in the meantime the movement has also spread among Westerners. These are primarily from the New Kadampa Tradition (NKT), an English-based grouping around the lama Geshe Kelsang Gyatso. The declaration of exclusion from his former monastery says of the latter that, “this demon with broken commitments, Kelsang Gyatso, burns with the flame of unbearable spite toward the unsurpassed omniscient XIV Dalai Lama, the only staff of life of religious people in Tibet, whose activities and kindness equal the sky” (Lopez, 1998, p. 195). His supporters provide online information about their conflict with Dharamsala under the name of the Shugden Supporters Community (SSC).
For some other angles here is an account in simple language, addressed to students of Buddhism. In the article the author tels about the overall concept of a Gyalpo, an example of the possible effect of these, as it is understood among religious Tibetan Buddhists, then his personal experience of the effect, followed by the origin of the Shugden Gyalpo, what some Gelupas made out of it, what the situation is today and what he suggests to his students. I am aware that one could add more perspective from the position of what we know on the forum, but for now I am interested in finding out about the background, the data.

Provocations of the Gyalpo
by Chögyal Namkhai Norbu Rinpoche
In general one cannot say that the class of Gyalpo are always negative. There are also some important Gyalpo guardians. For example, Guru Padmasambhava gave the task of protecting the temple of Samye to Gyalpo Pehar. So it is not negative at all. But then, regarding the Gyalpo, there are different levels and it is very important for us to understand the character of the Gyalpo and how they create provocations because each of the eight classes has their own way of provocating.

The Gyalpo always provoke people with nervousness, confusion and being upset. These are the most important secondary causes through which the Gyalpo can provoke or disturb and for the person under their influence, confusion rises even more. So this is the provocation of Gyalpo in general.

For example, when I was younger, during my college years, I knew that Samye temple was very important. It was the only temple built during the time Padmasambava and the guardian of this temple is Gyalpo Pehar. So I thought that Gyalpo Pehar must be important. When I did the puja of the guardians, I always included Gyalpo Pehar. Then I also had the feeling that Gyalpo Pehar was good and that I had to do even more. But gradually I started to understood the characteristic of the provocation of the class of Gyalpo. When I did the practice of Gyalpo Pehar I observed that my confusion and nervousness increased. Then I thought that it would be better not to do this practice and since that time I haven’t done it anymore.

There also exists a Gyalpo, not of a high level like Gyalpo Pehar, but a bad spirit. (One can become a bad spirit particularly when one has received Vajrayana teaching and created some heavy samaya problems, then something bad happens and they become a bad spirit.) This kind of spirit becomes dependent on the class of Gyalpo. That means if they are a bit powerful they can become a kind of Gyalpo and can do something. Instead somebody less powerful becomes only a subject (victim) of the Gyalpo.

At the time of the 5th Dalai Lama there was a monk who broke his samaya in a very bad way and created lots of problems and at the end of his life he died very tragically and became a kind of Gyalpo. He became part of a group of Gyalpo. Later this Gyalpo manifested and some Gelugpa and Sakyapa lamas had contact with that spirit. And it seemed that that spirit helped them and served them so they considered him to be a good guardian. Then they invented a puja to have more contact with that spirit. Later the 5th Dalai Lama and Minlig Terchen, an important Nyingmapa lama, found out about this and said that this was a very bad spirit which shouldn’t be considered as a guardian, but should be eliminated. They performed many pujas in order to eliminate him but maybe they did not succeed very well.

Some Gelugpa Lamas continued to do pujas and particularly some very sectarian Gelugpa lamas believed that this Gyalpo was a very good guardian because he only protected the Gelugpa school and eliminated and controlled all the other schools. They believed that and continued to do more pujas and ask for more of these kinds of actions which seemed to work with the Gyalpo. Or at least they thought they did. And they went on like this for many centuries.

Some Lamas didn’t like what was happening and tried to go against this development, but without success. Then our present Dalai Lama told us that when he was young, one of his younger teachers taught him this practice of Gyalpo. The Gyalpo was called Gyalpo Shugden, it wasn’t just any kind of Gyalpo. He said that when he was young, he did this kind of puja for some years. But later when he studied the books of the 5th Dalai Lama, he found that it was something negative. And he discovered that this guardian had also disturbed the government of Tibet. Later on the Dalai Lama asked people for many years not to do this practice anymore, because it is very negative. That is true, because I know at least three or four people in my country, in particular one of my uncles at the Sakyapa monastery, who also did the Gyalpo practice. One of my uncles was a lama there and performed pu-jas in the Gyalpo temple for two or three years. In the end he had a very strong illness, his energy became disordered and he had a great many problems. I know three other lamas who performed pujas in the same temple and one after another each of them went mad. This was the influence of the Gyalpo. Sometimes it seems that for a short while the practice of Gyalpo helps – that is why many people do the Gyalpo puja – but in the real sense they get disturbed later on because when someone is connected with the Gyalpo, they are transformed and become subject to them. When these people die they become part of the class of Gyalpo. The life of a Gyalpo may last for five or six thousand years so for that reason it is considered something very negative.

But instead of following the advice of the present Dalai Lama some Gelugpa lamas went against him saying that this guardian is important and that they had to do this puja and this practice. They tried to develop this practice, particularly in China and Tibet: in Tibet there are many Gelugpa monasteries with Gyalpo temples. Then they made some propaganda and said that the Dalai Lama does not allow free religious practice. The Dalai Lama never said that he forbade them to do this practice; he simply advised them that it is not good. Everybody can give advice, why not? So when the Dalai Lama went to America, at the two or three different places he visited there were small groups with some Tibetan Gelugpa lamas and their western followers who protested saying: “The Dalai Lama denies us the right to free religion”. Of course the Chinese gave them a lot of support because they like it very much when Tibetans have disagreements among themselves.

So you have to be careful because now even in the western world these groups are trying to influence people saying they are spreading dharma teachings. You are always free to decide for yourselves, but you can receive negativities. In Italy this group is very influential because the second most important person who is against the Dalai Lama lives in Milan and it is the place where the practice of Gyalpo is being developed. If you have had some connection with these people you should do the practice of Guru Dragphur. By doing the practice of Guru Dragphur, you won’t receive the negative influence of the Gyalpo. But those who have already had a relationship with them should stop this relationship and should do the practice of Guru Dragphur otherwise they will find themselves with many problems later on. Or if somebody feels that these problems are already there come to me and I give you a kind of protection for not receiving these negativities.

Chogyal Namkhai Norbu
Transcription: Antje d’Almeida

I could not find much support for the Shugden worship on the web site of the Dalai Lama:
One wonders why the Shugden controversy was especially fueled and persisted in the West
In the above piece it is mentioned that the second most important person against the Dalai Lama is in Italy. The most important person from what I have found earlier is Geshe Kelsan Gyatso founder of New Kadampa Tradition
Are there cults within Tibetan Buddhism?
Another article, Dalai Lama protesters: International Shugden Community / Western Shugden Society - unlocked, mentions
As Tsultrim Palmo & Carol McQuire have demonstrated in a brief article it can be safely stated that behind the protesters is the New Kadampa Tradition (NKT).

Without the NKT’s founder, Geshe Kelsang Gyaso’s, explicit wish and order, there would not be any of these types of protests and media savvy international campaigning. When he ordered in 1998 to stop the protests, they stopped. When he had the motivation to start them again, they started again. (Details, evidence, and inferences can be found in the rest of this article/page.)
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Considering the impact of the NKT campaigns and NKT is based in Britain and has gained power and followers in many countries I wonder if what they have achieved would have gained applause from the initiators of the British Tavistock Institute On » The Tavistock Institute / The British Psychological Society - Berlin – Athen there was:
Founder, John Rawlings Rees, claimed: “Public life, politics and industry should all … be within our sphere of influence…If we are to infiltrate the professional and social activities of other people I think we must imitate the Totalitarians and organize some kind of fifth column activity! We must aim to make it permeate every educational activity in our national life … We have made a useful attack upon a number of professions. The two easiest of them naturally are the teaching profession and the Church: the two most difficult are law and medicine.”
One may also ask if the strong resistance to the Dalai Lama, spearheaded by the British based NKT led by Geshe Kelsang Gyaso fitted into the need for sidelining the "Tibetan cause" in favour or better business with China, or diplomatic deals of who controls what. As the Tibetans are weaker, the talks of support can remain talks.

For more on alleged Tavistock techniques and their application see here or
here. Having elaborated on the story of Shugden and what is behind it, some words about Nechung

And what about the Nechung Oracle?
The Wiki has: Gyalpo spirits - Wikipedia
According to Tibetan Buddhist myth, Gyalpo Pehar (Tibetan: རྒྱལ་པོ་དཔེ་ཧར, Wylie: rgyal po dpe har] [also spelt: pe kar & dpe dkar) is the chief spirit belonging to the gyalpo class. When Padmasambhava arrived in Tibet in the eighth century, he subdued all gyalpo spirits and put them under control of Gyalpo Pehar, who promised not to harm any sentient beings and was made the chief guardian spirit of the Samye Temple built at that time. Some Tibetans believe that the protector of Samye sometimes enters the body of a medium (called the "Dharma Lord of Samye") and acts as an oracle.[8]

Nechung Gyalpo
The Great Dharma King (rgyal chen) Nechung Dorje Drakden (rdo rje grags ldan) or Nechung Chokyong (chos skyong) is considered to be the chief minister of Gyalpo Pehar or the same as the activity aspect of Gyalpo Pehar.[9] It is the spirit of this deity which possesses the Nechung Oracle or State Oracle of Tibet

Links to details about how oracles work
Below are some links to presentations and discussions of what oracles are and how the process works in practice.
The Shadow of the Dalai Lama – Part II – 7. The war of the oracle gods and the Shugden affair
by Victor & Victoria Trimondi
Tibetan Oracles: Ghadong Monastery, Past and Present mentions that the Nechung and Ghadong monasteries were the seats of the oracles used by the Tibetan Government
Tibetan Oracles is a very readable explanation of what goes on.
Nechung The State Oracle of Tibet from Government Of Tibet In Exile Website but I found it on another also this has many details.
Tibetan Oracles and Himalayan Shamans Transcribed from a Lecture by Dr Fabian Sanders

Having arrived at some understanding about what the background is for the Tibetan oracles, the question arose about Not being clear about how this process of mediumship works in Tibetan Buddhism, I tried to find explanations and it is certainly also rather involved to an idea.
The difference between shamanistic trance and the trance of the
There is a research paper that on the basis of field observations and interviews analyses the difference between a Shaman and an Oracle: https://www.researchgate.net/public...acle_of_Tibet_Spirit_Possession_and_Shamanism and this is the essence. The word one needs to know below is "kuten", it is the monk who is the vehicle or medium for the oracle.

More importantly, as noted above, while the kuten’s personality is completely displaced by the embodying entity, the shaman’s identity and personality remain intact, even as he absorbs various numinous entities and speaks with their voices. Mitrani (1992:154) is correct in his observation that

Even in those cases where ethnologists speak of the incorporation of the spirits by
shamans . . . the spirits neither replace the shaman’s will nor act in his place; rather
they confer special powers that allow him, when necessary, to become a spirit
himself.

Thus, the shaman’s control over spirits includes control over the altered state of consciousness itself (cf. Baumer 2002:49; Böckman and Hultkrantz 1978:25; Riboli 2000:61; Torrance 1994:138). This is something
that the medium of the Tibetan State Oracle is unable to do.

Karmapa Trinley Thaye Dorje (TTD) was the Sharmapa’s (Shamar) candidate and Karmapa Ogyen Trinley Dorje (OTJ) was the DL’s.
Finally regarding the conflict on the selection of the 17th Karmapa Lama there are signs that the two people will cooperate:
Karmapas Unite
A monumental meeting between Tibetan Buddhist leaders Ogyen Trinley Dorje and Thaye Dorje, who both hold claims to the head of the Karma Kagyu lineage, signals the end of a decades-old sectarian divide.
By Gabriel LeffertsOCT 11, 2018
 
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