Giving up free will and the 'other side' of addiction

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

I thought I'd post this on the forum as I believe it serves as a valuable insight into perhaps what's really going on 'behind the veil' in terms of the 4D STS feeding hierarchy and in particular, when people become addicted to drugs (or perhaps indeed anything that compromises our FRV). It's basically a dream that an old University friend sent to me about 6 months ago which was about me. I haven't seen this friend in person for 15 years but we've stayed in touch via the net. She was compelled to send it to me as she was deeply concerned for my well being after waking from it. Upon reading it, I wasn't remotely shocked as it just seemed to resonate with my 3D experiences completely. Just some background first to put things in context...

In my late teens and throughout much of my twenties I was a very heavy cannabis user. Indeed, I was an addict, for many years smoking almost every day. Initially, I found the experience to be what I believed at the time to very 'spiritual' in nature. Whilst I realise now that I was deluded regarding this, at the time I found it made reality more serene and enabled me to see the connections between things and how archetypes worked. However, after prolonged use I started to become more and more paranoid whilst under the influence. I'd become panicked if I smoked too much and often felt consumed with darkness. However, for some reason I just couldn't seem to stop and kept smoking in the hope (wishful thinking) that I'd regain my initial experiences. It eventually ran me into the ground completely. Anyway, bearing that in mind here's the dream my friend sent me. I've bolded the parts that I think are particularly relevant which concern the giving up of free will:

it was a dream set in Old Portsmouth (the old part of the city where I live which survived bombings during the war) I was walking the streets for what seemed like hours and it was dark and eerie, it was the route I used to take to primary school as a child. You were there and we went to a party (?!) There were lots of old friends from my younger days there and people I have known over the years, but people I didn't know well. We were drinking a lot and smoking weed and you started taking a lot of drugs. People at the party were making us take more drugs than we wanted. We didnt know what we were taking. You seemed delirious and helpless and although I was pretty intoxicated myself, I told you to leave and come with me. You wouldn't listen. Everything felt very out of control, the music was oppressive, everything seemed blurred. I couldn't find you, but stumbled upstairs and heard running water in the bathroom. You were there, almost in a foetal position, semi-naked (sorry!!) drowning in an over-flowing bath and there were forceful men who were setting upon you. They were taking advantage of you, abusing you. They were letting you head go under water and allowing you to fall in and out of consciousness. I told them to stop, but they said you liked it and you were having an amazing spiritual experience, they said it was all part of 'the trip'. You looked desperate, helpless, tortured. They began to force some kind of tube/hose into your body. They said they were 'irrigating' you. Blood was flushing out of you through the transparent tube. They were draining you of life, but you didn't react. You almost seemed to want it. They were enjoying the torture. They had almost certainly done this before. I woke up.
It was one of the most graphic, intensively disturbing dreams I have had for a while. I can't understand why you would play such a big part in my dream, when you are not a person that features in my daily life.
I am sorry to share this. It really is horrible. I felt compelled to check you were okay as it seemed so real. Ridiculous I know x

So, my feeling is that this may sincerely show what was happening on the other side of the curtain so to speak. Or at least represents the 'energetic pattern' (basically total vampirism) in the information field when we become addicted to anything that is lowering our FRV and is compromising our free will. In terms of cannabis specifically, it's concerning to me how widely propagated this drug is becoming for 'health' reasons.

There doesn't seem to be a day go by when I see something on FB or the net about cannabis being a cure for everything from cancer to MS and is of course its use is extremely widespread in the 'alternative' community. I'm not saying that the health reasons are false (I haven't researched them) but merely that in my experience, this is potentially a very dangerous drug. I think particularly for very sensitive people, it's perhaps akin to the dangers of attempting astral travel with no knowledge or protection of how perilous this is. I'd suggest it's actually a far more potent hallucinogen then is generally reported leaves one extremely ungrounded and vulnerable to all kinds of psychic attack. Some food for thought perhaps for anyone who may be inclined to indulge in this..........

 

[Minas Tirith]

Thanks, indeed a very interesting dream. You are probably familiar with the Patrick Rodriguez spirit release therapy thread? But as I understand you've overcome your addiction?

Yup, in that area, whenever something is suddenly legalized, given away for cheap (fast food) or even free, beware. On the other hand, when something is heavily banned (tobacco) it's probably good for you.

Marihuana, among other psychoactive drugs, was used by "professionals" like priests or shamans to get into contact with the "spirit world". Get into contact for a specific reason, however, not uninitiatedly get lost in it. It also fits well into the scheme of dumbing people down, so we will probably see quite a bit of legalization in the next couple of years.

M.T.

 

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

Thanks, indeed a very interesting dream. You are probably familiar with the Patrick Rodriguez spirit release therapy thread? But as I understand you've overcome your addiction?

Yup, in that area, whenever something is suddenly legalized, given away for cheap (fast food) or even free, beware. On the other hand, when something is heavily banned (tobacco) it's probably good for you.

Marihuana, among other psychoactive drugs, was used by "professionals" like priests or shamans to get into contact with the "spirit world". Get into contact for a specific reason, however, not uninitiatedly get lost in it. It also fits well into the scheme of dumbing people down, so we will probably see quite a bit of legalization in the next couple of years.

M.T.

I've just returned to the forum and many people have suggested this thread so I'm making my way through it slowly. Only On page 4 at the moment. And yes, a particularly potent form of dumbing down as I know many users believe it makes them 'insightful' and 'spiritual' whilst clearly it does the opposite. Regarding tobacco, indeed there seems to be an increasingly orchestrated attack and demonisation of this whilst at the same time an exponential increase of pro-cannabis propaganda. A recipe for disaster really

 

[Carl]

That sounds like a truly harrowing dream! Was this one of the triggers to get you to quit using cannabis?

I've just returned to the forum and many people have suggested this thread so I'm making my way through it slowly. Only On page 4 at the moment. And yes, a particularly potent form of dumbing down as I know many users believe it makes them 'insightful' and 'spiritual' whilst clearly it does the opposite. Regarding tobacco, indeed there seems to be an increasingly orchestrated attack and demonisation of this whilst at the same time an exponential increase of pro-cannabis propaganda. A recipe for disaster really

That would most likely be very good for you. Chronic drug use is probably one of the easiest ways to pick up "attachments", energy blocks, and to split off parts of yourself. Not to mention the physical level brain changes that come with it, such as atrophy of willpower and the difficulty applying logic and knowledge to your actions. This is something I still struggle with, and wish I'd never touched the stuff.

The situation with cannabis is very interesting to follow, and it seems like a very clever COINTELPRO. Make a drug illegal, yet simultaneously release tonnes of misinformation into the alternative community about how it's just the bee's knees. Create an army of weed fanatics who hail it as a plant of the gods, thereby creating a cause for "free thinker" types to rally around. Then, keep legalization as a secret weapon to be pulled out and placate the angry masses, just when the planet is really rocking and rolling and everything is falling apart.

The current legalization movement kind of shows how the PTB are panicking to keep people just happy enough. They are prepared to give up a substantial chunk of prison revenue (and the slave labour that comes with it).

 

[beetlemaniac]

Maybe you'd like to read Gabor Mate's book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts. It talks about his experience with helping hardcore addicts, and then I think he goes on to explain how addiction is actually a behavior that has a universal template that can apply to any type of addiction, since the brain chemicals involved in the behaviors itself are similar. Haven't finished the book yet though

On top of the biochemical addiction process, Cannabis sure does have other detrimental effects spiritually, as far as I have heard. I would commonly get bad paranoia on it. Even so, I used to get the urge to use it, because of the mind altering experience it gave. As I did the Work, and focused on achieving things in the outside world, having aims to fulfill, I lost the need to do it.

 

[Lizziespreparetogovegan]

That sounds like a truly harrowing dream! Was this one of the triggers to get you to quit using cannabis?

No, I stopped using it years ago after it started giving me severe panic attacks.

The situation with cannabis is very interesting to follow, and it seems like a very clever COINTELPRO. Make a drug illegal, yet simultaneously release tonnes of misinformation into the alternative community about how it's just the bee's knees. Create an army of weed fanatics who hail it as a plant of the gods, thereby creating a cause for "free thinker" types to rally around. Then, keep legalization as a secret weapon to be pulled out and placate the angry masses, just when the planet is really rocking and rolling and everything is falling apart.

Yes, I think you've nailed it here. It scares me to think how many millions around the globe hail this drug as some kind of symbol of 'liberation' and 'free-thinking'.

Maybe you'd like to read Gabor Mate's book In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts. It talks about his experience with helping hardcore addicts, and then I think he goes on to explain how addiction is actually a behavior that has a universal template that can apply to any type of addiction, since the brain chemicals involved in the behaviors itself are similar. Haven't finished the book yet though

Thanks Beetlemaniac, I need to get hold of this book and read it. I have his other one though haven't started it yet. Very interesting what you say about the 'Universal Template' as this very much relates to my experience. Having been addicted to many things in my time, I've noticed the same cluster of emotions, cognitive patterns and behaviour that occur consistently, whether it be alcohol or simply dissociating by 'fixing' with the internet. I've come to the conclusion that I likely have a mild to moderate form of obsessive-compulsive disorder and these core patterns are centered around the discomfort or 'ruminations' typical of such a condition.

What's been working for me to combat this has been just to try and identify early on when such discomfort is escalating and then engage in any constructive activity that replaces, or at least overwrites the discomfort. Whether it be Qi Gong, EE, writing or a brisk walk, it seems once enough of the centres are engaged in some form of meaningful and creative task, they can no longer in the present moment be annexed to any significant degree by discomfort and ruminations which usually lead to acting out the addiction itself. And of course one is not simply distracting one's self in the present tense. Through consistent practice of this type one builds new neural pathways and healthy and practical life affirming habits. I guess this is what Don Juan meant by using discipline to vanquish the predator. Sounds simple though not always easy and I do sometimes find I'm dragging myself kicking and screaming to do EE and such! Anyway, I'm sure Gabor Mate will have much more to say on this Universal Template so thank-you :)