God save croatia

[Juba]

Croatian ex-general Branimir Glavaš likes to drink Nazi vines: _http://vijesti.hrt.hr/294993/glavas-se-hvali-vinima-s-hitlerom

Yesterday I had a business trip to Firence. At the pump station I stopped to pour fuel, I went to pay the cashier fuel, the shelves have been exposed to wines with wines where the label, Hitler, Mussolini, Tito, Milosevic, Tudjman, right next to the exposed plaster figure of the Virgin Mary, and above the cash registers in all possible sizes were arranged supplies for masturbation, argila ... and not to mention what else.
This wine can be properly available to buy in Italy.

I think Glavaš is making provocations big time. Now, when FB removed images with "Hitler wine", he posted an image with "Tito wine" (like casper said, obviously those wines can be bought quite easily) asking:
"Do you have a problem with a wine named after one of top 10 criminals/villains in the history of world?"
_http://www.telegram.hr/politika-kriminal/facebook-izbrisao-glavasevu-fotografiju-hitlerovog-vina-na-njegovu-reakciju-se-nije-dugo-cekalo/

Agree with Saša, but I'm afraid HDZ and their poltroons in ultra right sector will become even more "open" to their ideas when HDZ get a pardon from the High court. perhaps, I'm wrong but I think this is just a prelude to the neoconservative and ultra right parties victory on next election. And there is another thing, we could see all the problems in our foreign diplomacy, especially with wild goose chase and poor organization and presentation of life threatening situation around Tomislav Salopek. This man is not only the victim of ISIS but our NATO membership and neocolonial status. In real sense of the word we decided to become friends and allies with a devil, and now we must pay with our souls (so to speak). I'm sorry for Tomislav and all the people who will lose their life because of political games. Last but not the least, is the fact we are on the road of Greek syndrome and no one is speaking about it, because elections are coming in a short time. I am worried with everything what is going on in Croatia, especially lethargy of many and ponerization of the ruling few.
http://www.jutarnji.hr/novi-zakon-rusi-inkriminaciju-hdz-a-u-slucaju-fimi-media--/1396826/

 

[Deleted member 11729]

I think things around nationalism in Croatia will fall apart sooner than the HDZ can predict .. people are just tired of any kind of stupidity, but it is also the fact that there is still enough of them who can be manipulated ... Kolinda is loosing her mind, she is not strong enough to play the games, she is a light psychopath, if i can say that ;) ... a stupid one that can be used and abused by those like Hillary ... but from the Croatian news since the attacks in Macedonia, we can see each month one conflict is served, so there is something in preparation for balkans again, but i am not sure this time they will have enough idiots to execute their war games and ideas .... this is why i think it is very important to have SOTT in Croatian so that info can be spread, as in the small countries like our, it is quite easy to reach majority of population with quality information through few effective networking channels ... and also i do thikn that it is important to share and translate through SOTT, as that is how from SOTT starting point, individuals can search for more within other fileds, if they want, specialy a very sensitive informaitons for our region, about the Cs and Wave series. Also if I share directly Wave or Cs stuff no one reacts, but SOTT, i am pleased to say that efforts are visible, more and more my collegues following SOTT, i know now that some journalists and university professors are following it, what is great if we want people to know the truth! So it is 100x more valuable if we share directly from SOTT, or those of you who can contribute with translation, do that from SOTT.hr, insted of doing that through your personal blogs or pages.

 

[Z...]

I think things around nationalism in Croatia will fall apart sooner than the HDZ can predict ..

I wouldn't hold my breath for this. I hope I am wrong but it looks to me things are regressing at the speed of light to even worse state they were in back in 90-ies.
We have witnessed it even here in this virtual community peeps who seem to be conscious enough to be attracted to the Work, or higher source of information like C's are still failing miserably at fighting their own nationalist- chauvinist programming, can you imagine how it is out there amongst people who operate in fully automatic - knee jerking mode.

So no, I am not optimistic at all. :(

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Have you been in Croatia full time last 6 months? Back than i was quite concerned about rising of shovinism of all sorts, fired up by nationalism as ushual, but recently i am noticing a big dissatisfaction with that game too, and sort of like people getting tired of been puting down in every effort to make small decent living, and they starting to be more occupied by idea to leave, and they are young and dont have any real reason to fight for fake patriotism and ruined country, where there is no literary any future and hope for micro economic growth and initiative to work something decent for your life. In 90s was diferent as we where traped with no way to go and escape, and it wad also huge change of the system that was falling apart corupted to the bones, so enthusiasm of possibility to build new system was kind of motivating for our generation, but today i dont think our kids feels anything positive about croatia. That is sad, but ...

 

[Juba]

For sure I don't see whole picture in Croatia, and it is quite hard to see it with censorhip and media ponerization, but there are lot of signs that Croatia is having black renaissance of 90's and ascend of nationalism and glorification of fascism. Enough to remember nazi swastika on Poljud during Italy-Croatia football match, crazy and costly glorification of "Oluja" (Storm) without a question who killed over 2000 Serbs during that operation (people who could not run away from their homes because they were to old), army show of when country is almost on the brick of economic colapse, constant harsh words between Belgrade and Zagreb, political games and adoration of Thomson (singer who is glorifying killing of Serbs, Jews and left wing people in Jasenovac and so on), pardon of criminal activity of HDZ and open call for "exterminating communist from the government and to install real Croats," termination of jobs for Serbs, constant increasing of haterid speech in medias and via social networks, militarization, months of media circus of veterans manipulated by biggest mafiosi and nationalist in country, glorification of Bleiburg and national TV shame, lies about Jasenovac and etc." This is pathetic and dangerous, I am Croat but I am ashamed more and more with such things. This will escalate with HDZ victory on next election. And where are civil rights activists, where are people of Croatia, why they are not speaking against all these things? It will be nice to know how many psychopats are living in our country, I bet the number is pretty high.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g50fq5TVjxk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03I13qs0VaI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnQ_1ZVi_rQ
http://hop.hr/netrpeljivost-prema-manjinama-je-problem-u-zemlji-ciju-vladu-cini-vecina-nacionalne-manjine-srba-agresora-na-zemlju/
http://www.jutarnji.hr/rusi-prozivaju-hrvatsku-zbog-vaseg-agresivnog-nacionalizma-30-000-srba-preslo-je-na-katolicanstvo/1362528/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS-2Q3_Lc-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlnL0hE_rUU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xkDHxGO9c1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u53WhnXanE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wr0vYtuSCzQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnE44usovFs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ZaDO74pKY

And one single voice against ustaša's (Croatian nazi) glorification on national TV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toeu1hSLzxs

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Just to ad that recently nationalism is becoming obviously recognizible comon sickness of all EU countries ... that is how it goes when things get messy ... so it is good to watch that in Croatia as a part of programming done by global forces run by psyhopats, and not as something what makes Croatians unique, evil, nationalists etc ... and it is good to try to work on it within your own understedning of things, from external considering basis, to try to understand the reaction of people on programmed triggers of nationalist programs. Those people are mostly non educated, who don't know nothing about cognitive science and how our brain works etc etc ... and very easy to manipulate ... so far it is very easy to see the same scheme repeating on and on and on in last 100+ years between Croats and Serbs, so i will not insist so much that Croats are bad guys, as they are not anything diferent than anyone else who fall into that pitfall, either if that is someone from Denmark, Serbia, Ukraine, Germany, UK, France ...

Sure we have to be aware of all what is going on, but we have to do our best to go over it, and this blaming of Croats generally, instead of understanding that it is all set by political establishment, IMO is not the way to go.

 

[Anamarija]

Solarmind,
maybe will be better to continue are discussion in this topic or someone can open new thread about this subject.

Maybe I have misunderstood you, if that so please accept my apology.
In the meantime can you explain me how not to think that you have some issues about Croatian people bonded with the same subject - metaphysics that had never meet when you read your sentence:

Invitation:

and to all dear Croatian and all regional members, let's build together one more real base and FOTCM "lighthouse" of knowledge, truth and objectivity for Balkans ... there is one opportunity to start up something this October at Korcula and Pelješac ... let me clear up idea i have and will write more soon what is on my mind ...

Funny enough, actually few days ago i was again informed about certain split in the Croatian group, and than i remember you said to me that too , and when i spotted Ljubica getting back, that was inspiration to wrote this, as in Croatia we are well known for splitting and individual efforts that we even have a jokes about that, that we have 3 Croats and 4 political parties ... as probably it will be for us much easier to work on our common programs together, if we will have ability to have meetings face to face .. we already talked about that at one Croatian / regional group about Wave and Cs on FB, and i learned also that some are and some are not official members of FOTCM, but we do share, research and respect to your work, and we d contributing as much as we know and can ... so sorry for misunderstanding it should be written - let meet us who follow, research and respect FOTCM and SOTT work.

And do you think that i am potentially dangerous?

Corvinus, I was a bit ironic ;) ... sure, what do we know about our own minds is just a little drop of possible misuse and abuse of our own personas, that is why the Work is helping us to learn and be aware, right ... and help us to recognize and deal with stuff more objectivly.

And reading now again about nationalistic tensions in Croatian group, even between individuals who follow this path, or at least want to do that, is for me quite surprising. What can be recognized from that is probably that the question of national antagonism in exYu is still on black and white terms, and if someone is not able to overcome that, or at least if one see that other person is still running under certain programs, it is nor very useful to run into polemics on that ground. It is very strange that this group in Croatia is not willing to use those obstacles to help each other to get out of the nationalistic programming.

I guess Dakota you misunderstood my post. You can't do the Work alone, and if you want to get rid of national programs you will look for someone who can help you with that. If you don't you will not. Or if you still have no idea what you want, you will search around ... what you say is that why should we do any effort to be a decent human, wneh we can just let things to drift as they want ... well i am not sure it is good idea to let yourself just drift down the river, at least not before you investigate is it river at all ...

National programs, ok, that's new to me. I could understand that some people relate them with a nationality, it could be many reasons for that. I really don't know how this didn't catch me because my father is rigid catholic and croatian nationalist. He hates Serbian and Bosnian people. But maybe especially because of that I don't feel that I have that problem. I was born in Croatia but I don't feel like a Croat, even don't know what that supposed to mean!? That's just box for me.

Do you have national programs and want to talk about it on the forum, solarmind? I think that this is right place to do that. ;)

What happend that you are so disappointed with croatian group of people that you wanted to meet?

I'm active on this forum for little time, but maybe this is right place and time to talk about this.

 

[luke wilson]

Apologies for the off-topic question.

To the croatians, is Pula a good city to visit in terms of friendliness, safety, attractions etc?

 

[Deleted member 11729]

Do you have national programs and want to talk about it on the forum, solarmind?

Dear Dakota,

No, I don't have need to talk about national programs thorugh separate topic on this Forum.

 

[Juba]

Apologies for the off-topic question.

To the croatians, is Pula a good city to visit in terms of friendliness, safety, attractions etc?

Pula is one of the most popular tourist cities in Croatia, actually for years is among top 10 in country and among top 500 destinations in EU, related to the safety it's no different to the other cities in country, so it wouldn't be problem to come to the visit and enjoy.
Related to the attractions, Pula has a lot to offer in terms of historic sightseeing, but perhaps it is best to put some links in order to get direct info. :)

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attractions-g295373-Activities-Pula_Istria.html
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Croatia/Istria/Pula-385469/Things_To_Do-Pula-TG-C-1.html
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/croatia/istria/pula
http://www.travelchannel.com/destinations/croatia/articles/croatia-dos-and-donts

 

[luke wilson]

Apologies for the off-topic question.

To the croatians, is Pula a good city to visit in terms of friendliness, safety, attractions etc?

Pula is one of the most popular tourist cities in Croatia, actually for years is among top 10 in country and among top 500 destinations in EU, related to the safety it's no different to the other cities in country, so it wouldn't be problem to come to the visit and enjoy.
Related to the attractions, Pula has a lot to offer in terms of historic sightseeing, but perhaps it is best to put some links in order to get direct info. :)

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attractions-g295373-Activities-Pula_Istria.html
http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Croatia/Istria/Pula-385469/Things_To_Do-Pula-TG-C-1.html
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/croatia/istria/pula
http://www.travelchannel.com/destinations/croatia/articles/croatia-dos-and-donts

Thank you! Done. I'm looking forward to seeing your beautiful country. :)

 

[Anamarija]

Also, if you visit Pula I recommend to see Rovigno & Poreč. You can travel from Pula trough the coast to North to visit mentioned towns. I don't know from wich direction you are coming?

 

[luke wilson]

Also, if you visit Pula I recommend to see Rovigno & Poreč. You can travel from Pula trough the coast to North to visit mentioned towns. I don't know from wich direction you are coming?

I'll be making my way to Zadar from the south. Then from Zadar I'll fly to Pula. I wanted so bad to go see Plitvice Lakes National Park but don't have enough days!!!

Yeah, I see that Rovigno and Porec are just north of Pula... I'll have to see once there if I can visit them.

 

[casper]

Apologies for the off-topic question.

To the croatians, is Pula a good city to visit in terms of friendliness, safety, attractions etc?

I highly recommend the cities of Rovinj, Umag, the smallest town in the world Hum, National Park Brijuni ...
I'm sorry that you have a few days, the beauty of Kornati and Dalmatia is something you should really see




National Park Brijuni

 

[luke wilson]

Apologies for the off-topic question.

To the croatians, is Pula a good city to visit in terms of friendliness, safety, attractions etc?

I highly recommend the cities of Rovinj, Umag, the smallest town in the world Hum, National Park Brijuni ...
I'm sorry that you have a few days, the beauty of Kornati and Dalmatia is something you should really see




National Park Brijuni

It looks so beautiful, the country looks amazing! I was trying to fit in as much as possible but their is just to much!! It can only mean one thing.. it's somewhere that will require multiple visits!

Croatia is so high in the agenda of many people now and everyone who I meet who has been has nothing but good things to say. It must be one of the top places visited this year for sure.