Good-bye and good riddance

[Guardian]

I am your requested example.

Yup, and I'll be example #2. Without going into personal details, Laura and the Fellowship have helped me a lot too.

At first I thought it might be the Supplement Santa, because these mystery boxes full of vitamins and minerals to help with menopause just arrived on my doorstep, without even a note to tell me who they were from. However, with skillful detective work (I read the packing slip) I figured out they were coming from Laura.

She's also sent me books aplenty too, in fact, I'm currently reading a book she sent me. You can think what you want "Astrozombie" but Laura DOES put her money where her mouth is.

Now pardon me while I trot off and chuckle about the fact that with all your metaphysical experience, you actually named yourself a "Zombie"

 

[StrangeCaptain]

Can anyone give an example where Laura and company have used their earnings and donation to help out a single member of the "family"

Yeah... Me... They have helped me out on several occasions during the time I have been settling down in France.

 

[Nienna]

I cringe when I read a post from someone whom is almost certainly very intelligent and well studied in many disciplines. The responses that follow are almost always degrading and offer very little in the form of spiritual growth. While I understand that forum promotes A Work that follows the teaching of many great philosophers such as Gujedarion and others. The problem is that I am already well versed and have more than a working man's understanding of their teachings. What this means is that I am clearly seeing that their teachings are being warped and cherry-picked to tailor the agenda of the forums hierarchy.

Obviously, you don't have enough understanding to actually understand what they are talking about, let alone how their names are spelled.

Since it was made very clear to me early on, that my particular path was not welcome, a red flag was raised and it was flapping violently in the wind.

Yes, you weren't told how 'speshul' you are and were treated as a regular member. Having OOBEs does not make anyone special, a lot of people have them. Nor is having visitations make one special. Nor does either of these things make you a 'super hero'.

I an bring this next piece of information up with some reluctance but I think it is relevant. I have made a couple of attempts to help and offered to buy the people of this forum the suggested reading material as well as some of the more expensive reading material in an attempt to make these books available to all the members who are serious in their Work. Instead, I was directed to the donation button at the top of the screen. I have no problem spending a great deal of money for the betterment of this community but when I am basically told that all I need to do is make a monetary donations that will not allow me to follow my money and see the direct impact of its contributing, a red flag goes up as well.

Hmmm, it sounds to me that you have/had an agenda. This may surprise you, but being 'spechul' and having money to throw around does not make you special to this forum. People here are seen as achieving a great deal if they can start to work on being a better person. Cleaning their 'machine', learning about their programs so to be able to get control of them instead of being run by them.

Also, Laura cannot be bought. It looks to me as if you were hoping to "buy" yourself a place so that you have some control over what is, and is not, done with various things. Again, Laura cannot be bought or co-opted. It has been tried numerous times and it has never worked - and won't work. Laura's generosity is known to many members here, however, she does it without any big fanfare so that she can make everyone see how important and special she is - and she is one person who really is. But she doesn't need the recognition of others, or to throw in their faces how generous she is. She respects people's privacy, In other words, for Laura, it's not all about her, it's about others and their needs. Something you, and all the rest of us, should take a good, long hard look at.

I joined here with an open mind and intended on becoming a very valuable member.

Yes, you certainly did - well not with such an open mind as we can see. But the wanting to become a valuable member is glaringly obvious. You have only been seen as a regular member and I think that this is at the very heart of what is going on here. At least, this is at the very top of what is going on here, along with your not understanding what those great truths of those great philosophers are all about.

To you, having money to throw around and having visitations and OOBEs makes you think you should be a valuable member here. Heck, if that is all it took, you still would not be any more regular than you are now. However, having visitations could also mean that you have a very low frequency resonance vibration. This allows anything to attach itself to you and that's not so special, or so I think.

There is a lot to learn here on this forum, but you have to be willing to learn rather than wanting to teach and be special.

Your "farewell" post says a whole lot more about you and your self-importance than it does about "Laura and company".

 

[Cyre2067]

/rolls eyes

Kinda funny how folks have this need to announce their leaving and reasons. Esp silly considering AZ was only here for a month and had like 80 some odd posts...

I'm sure many folks have come and gone without leaving a lengthy diatribe in their wake. Looks like he simply had an agenda that wasn't getting filled and got really mad about it.




oh and btw that new phaser smiley is incredible.

 

[Chu]

Leaving aside astrozombie's claims about knowledge or what we are doing wrong, it seems that he/she is unaware of simple non-profit law, and in particular fiduciary duties.

The main goal is to fulfill the non-profit's goals. When a donation with "strings" attached imposes a risk of hindering those goals, then the corporation has the right to refuse it. A donor does not have the right to determine how the funds donated will be put to use, except in exceptional cases. Gaining "power" (becoming "a valuable member" as az put it) due to a monetary contribution goes against our principles, and we are not up for sale. In fact, it is also illegal. Such gifts would have to be listed as "transactions with interested persons" on our tax return and we try to avoid filling out any more forms than we have to. That is also part of our duty: to manage the corporations in the most economical way, in order to preserve their goals and focus all our energy in trying to fulfill them, legally.

The non-profits have many obligations, and those who have been around for a while know that we respect them. Do not try to change the rules by "dangling a carrot", az. That has never worked, and it never will, because it goes against fiduciary law, which we respect.

This is the mission of each of our not-for-profits:
QFG's

"The QUANTUM FUTURE GROUP, is a non-profit corporation established exclusively for charitable and educational purposes, including, for such purposes, the making of distributions to organizations under Section 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code 1954 (or the corresponding provision of any future United States Internal Revenue Law) ,to engage in research in the varied scientific and socio-cultural fields seeking solutions to the fundamental sufferings and limitations of humanity; to disseminate the findings and results of said research to the public by means of, though not limited to, publications, lectures and seminars; and to further and promote such research and dissemination."

FOTCM's

"The primary objectives and purposes of this corporation shall be to establish and maintain a fellowship whose purpose is to learn to be truly Christ-like in our daily living by actualizing ancient principles of PaleoChristian Techno-Spirituality retrieved and reconstituted by both diligent study and inspiration; to be a fellowship that nurtures members through sound Mystical Science to grow in knowledge, consciousness, and conscience so as to fully know and actualize True Existence in relationship with the Cosmos; to be a Fellowship that ministers unselfishly to persons in the community and world in the name of PaleoChrist-Consciousness as originally revealed to humankind in past aeons; in short, to endeavor to restore humankind to its naturally beneficial and benevolent relationship with all levels of the Cosmos via Paleo-Christianity, including publishing and disseminating information in all media for this purpose."

In order to fulfill these goals, there simply cannot be any private interests. It's as simple as that. And we take this duty very seriously, whether it concerns officers of the corporation or contributors.

Entrustors entrust property or power to fiduciaries not for the purpose of benefiting the fiduciaries but for the purpose of benefiting the entrustors (or their designates). Entrustment is designed to facilitate the fiduciaries’ services to the entrustors. In addition, or perhaps because of this purpose of entrustment, entrustment must be accompanied by conditions, i.e. fulfilling the goals of QFG.

Fiduciary duties, in law, include:
• The duty of loyalty, relating to entrusted property and power.

Based on the duty of loyalty are a number of additional duties:

• Obedience: The duty to follow and abide by the directives of entrustment with respect to the entrusted power or property.
• The duty to act in good faith in performing fiduciary services.
• The duty not to delegate the fiduciary services to another who would not have the direct fiduciary relationship with the Entrustors.
• The duty to account for and disclose relevant information to the entrustors.
• The duty to treat entrustors fairly.
• The duty of care, relating to the quality and care of fiduciaries’ performance of their services.

In other words, az, we don't consider favoritism to be an example of the respect of Fiduciary Law or the goals of the corporations (and it is our right and obligation to do so), nor are we willing to give special treatment to somebody who comes up with an offer of big bucks. If you don't like the way we work, that's too bad. But there you have it.

What I don't understand is how anybody could equate "not accepting money with strings" with a cult. Isn't that precisely what real cults do? :P

 

[seek10]

I cringe when I read a post from someone whom is almost certainly very intelligent and well studied in many disciplines. The responses that follow are almost always degrading and offer very little in the form of spiritual growth. While I understand that forum promotes A Work that follows the teaching of many great philosophers such as Gujedarion and others. The problem is that I am already well versed and have more than a working man's understanding of their teachings. What this means is that I am clearly seeing that their teachings are being warped and cherry-picked to tailor the agenda of the forums hierarchy.

Not only is that demeaning to the great works that such men have accomplished, it suggests an agenda. I joined and made it clear that I have come across some of the many great understandings that this very forum is promoting. Only I have come across the teachings in a completely different manner.

Since it was made very clear to me early on, that my particular path was not welcome, a red flag was raised and it was flapping violently in the wind. Why would people from a forum who promote the very same knowledge have an aversion to someone who has reached many of the same conclusions but only though different manners. The only thing that I can reasonably think is that much of what is being taught here is fraudulent.

When I read your forum name "astro" "zombie" , I wondered who will select this type of name. It looks to me that you came to promote what you think you had and wants to use the money for it. since that didn't work out, so you are blaming the forum ?. Are you aware of troubles this forum went through while serving its purpose for which you claimed to have got attracted ?. Think about your real motivation from the start.

 

[mocachapeau]

I am already well versed and have more than a working man's understanding of their teachings. [...]

I joined here with an open mind and intended on becoming a very valuable member.

These are the two statements that jumped out at me.

Taken together, you give the impression that you have nothing to learn from this forum, because you already know it all, and that your intention was to come here and be some kind of hero/saviour, but only on your terms.

By simply making these statements, you have shown how little you understand of the information you have acquired from your reading. A valuable member of this forum understands that, in the grand scheme of things, they know nothing, and have everything to learn, no matter where they are on the learning curve.

Although it is commendable to want to use your money to help others, it seems pretty evident that your underlying reason for wanting to do so is a selfish one - to be loved and applauded for it. And since you aren't getting what YOU want, you are leaving in a huff. If this were not true, you would be trying to find another way to help instead of running away.

It makes me wonder what kind of an agenda you might have, arriving on the scene with all your "cash and knowledge", wanting to become important immediately (within a month) and wanting to dictate how and what you will do. And if you wanted to do it anonymously, then you must have wanted to become valuable to the administrators, no?

Hmmmm.

 

[Ca.]

Who ever said that this forum is a charity? If people are having hardships, it is possible, because of there beliefs, in the very system that they trusted, that has helped promote their fall too financial, and spiritual decline. They have to figure this out themselves, as a possible lesson profile.

c.a., while I understand what you are trying to get at here, I think you sort of generalized a bit.

Yes, it is possible that some people have hardships because of their beliefs in the system and social constructs, but that is not always the case. Very often, people have hardships because they are specifically targeted to keep them down and out. Yes, they may have to learn about this "targeting" in order to get up and out, but in the meantime, they need a hand.

We have a pretty good system of effectively utilizing resources but, as noted above, this is done PRIVATELY for very good reasons. Certainly, the IRS may inspect our records, but we don't post names of charity cases nor do we give out their situations and addresses, most particularly not to any Tom, Dick, Harry or Simon who comes along claiming to want to distribute largesse if only we'll hand over our mailing list.

Bottom line is: if research, encouragement, mutual support, doesn't do the job, yeah, we will step in and haul someone out of the pit if possible.

I don't mean to be hard. I understand that certain (and even many) people do at times require, something more that just ear for advice. That there come's a time that help from friend's is needed in the form of some monetary assistance. I am all for that.

And as I would, as well as many others here would give, what they could (for leg up, so to speak), if a call for help were deeded sincere, and needed.

I have also come to understand their can be two sides to request for assistance. One is heart felt, with one having been in a similar situation, and been supported during difficult time's when the call went out. What goes around comes around. Do good deeds (no expectation) it seems to come back to one 2 fold in some sort of positive way. By helping one, he perhaps (if it were there vocation) down the road would help some else, and so on, and so on. A positive ripple effect so to say. The gift that keeps on giving.

But there are, elements that continue to call for help, only to abuse the request, at a whim, as means of support, with a lack of self respect, and responsibility to make change's for themselves to becoming self reliant.

I appreciate the sensitivity, and love that Cassiopaea forum inspires, and that we share between us, to help educate each other of the importance what your are saying Laura.

If I came across crass, my apologies, it was unintentional. Perhaps just being a bit guarded, on my part to astozmbie's post.

 

[Palinurus]

I joined here with an open mind and intended on becoming a very valuable member.

I'd rather be an invaluable member like Laura is. ;)

Would that not be possible (very likely, I'd say) I would strive to be a valued member of some of the teams or threads that operate here, just because of who I am, what I do and contribute, and because of what I can see and learn and research and share.

I hope that some day you will endeavor likewise somewhere...anywhere.

 

[Laura]

I have also come to understand their can be two sides to request for assistance. One is heart felt, with one having been in a similar situation, and been supported during difficult time's when the call went out. What goes around comes around. Do good deeds (no expectation) it seems to come back to one 2 fold in some sort of positive way. By helping one, he perhaps (if it were there vocation) down the road would help some else, and so on, and so on. A positive ripple effect so to say. The gift that keeps on giving.

But there are, elements that continue to call for help, only to abuse the request, at a whim, as means of support, with a lack of self respect, and responsibility to make change's for themselves to becoming self reliant.

I appreciate the sensitivity, and love that Cassiopaea forum inspires, and that we share between us, to help educate each other of the importance what your are saying Laura.

If I came across crass, my apologies, it was unintentional. Perhaps just being a bit guarded, on my part to astozmbie's post.

I know. And I'm aware of your concerns. We usually discuss at meetings how to distribute aid to others, how much, why, all that. We take all the things you have mentioned above into account. And that is why we prefer for people who want to help some other member to just simply donate. The likelihood is, if the person really needs help, we are already on it and it helps us recoup what we are spending so we can help the next person. We just don't make a big deal out of it due to respect for privacy and dignity. And when we help someone, we just ask that when they get sorted out, they pass the help on by donating when able.

 

[darksai]

I know. And I'm aware of your concerns. We usually discuss at meetings how to distribute aid to others, how much, why, all that. We take all the things you have mentioned above into account. And that is why we prefer for people who want to help some other member to just simply donate. The likelihood is, if the person really needs help, we are already on it and it helps us recoup what we are spending so we can help the next person. We just don't make a big deal out of it due to respect for privacy and dignity. And when we help someone, we just ask that when they get sorted out, they pass the help on by donating when able.

And even besides all that, it'd be on average double the cost in shipping and import duties . Money, and therefore energy, that could be aiding those in need directly. Anyone that was truly concerned about making most of money spent, especially when for others, would (or should) at least consider the basic practical costs involved.

 

[John G]

1. Since this forum, Sott.net, and all our other projects and efforts have grown considerably over the last 10 years and helped many people in more ways than one, what money FOTCM/QFG does have is being put to good use.

2. Giving money on the condition that you control where it goes and how it is used (IOW that you know better despite #1) is not really donating.

Yeah you guys don't even do ads (they could say things out of your control).

You can tell just from looking at prices of sources Laura uses that there's no way I could get that information much less have it researched so well and then her books are extremely cheap via Kindle and even if one has to be selective about Kindle books, the books are discussed and quoted/excerpted here.

I have definite cash flow problems now and very much consider the cheap (and free) book information to be totally gifts now that I'm not donating a little like I used to. My parents are well off and our house is still worth a decent amount more than the mortgage in spite of the housing collapse so I'm not really in serious trouble.

This place just always acts as a sanctuary for me no matter how bad I get or my finances get.

 

[Mike]

If astrozombie didn’t have an agenda coming in, which very well might be the case, then seems that az might have reacted by splitting as related to the discussion etc in this thread - http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,31760.0.html

az went from willing to donate large sums of money (but with conditions) to the black and white thinking of naming the organizations and people here a cult when he didn’t get his way and he reacted. Also as for az’s proclamation of knowledge and similarities between what his experiences taught him etc there really aren’t examples or any substance to this in his posts.

edit added: Also possibly related to why he might have experienced splitting is a reaction to the responses sitting in the other thread.

 

[United Gnosis]

[Takes a deep breath]

Well, for the record, I haven't asked for any financial/material support from the forum, as I understood my patterns of economic limitation to be self-inflicted, but if Astrozombie's self-importance requires the ability to dictate exactly in which way his resources are meant to be used by the receptor or the "gift", then he might like to know that none of the QFS' recommended books are currently under my care, due to the aforementioned economic limitations that constrained me to PDFs of doubtful origin to be read on my 4 year old smartphone with a tiny screen, and that their physical presence would be very appreciated as I live on an urban permaculture initiative in Costa Rica that has a small communal bookshelf for people to inspire themselves with, which as you surely intuit would benefit greatly from having a balanced representation of 4th Way material.

[Wheezing, cough]

Just sayin. Or, as mentioned by an earlier comment, you could allow yourself to learn a lesson in selfless giving, which is, once you've given something, it is not yours to control anymore.

P.s.: 96 posts in a month is somewhat overeager. The first principle of permaculture (i.e. designing complex, symbiotic systems as inspired by nature) is protracted, mindful observation. Perhaps sitting back and observing how the network operates would be a good step for you to take?

 

[Laura]

[Takes a deep breath]

Well, for the record, I haven't asked for any financial/material support from the forum, as I understood my patterns of economic limitation to be self-inflicted, but if Astrozombie's self-importance requires the ability to dictate exactly in which way his resources are meant to be used by the receptor or the "gift", then he might like to know that none of the QFS' recommended books are currently under my care, due to the aforementioned economic limitations that constrained me to PDFs of doubtful origin to be read on my 4 year old smartphone with a tiny screen, and that their physical presence would be very appreciated as I live on an urban permaculture initiative in Costa Rica that has a small communal bookshelf for people to inspire themselves with, which as you surely intuit would benefit greatly from having a balanced representation of 4th Way material.

[Wheezing, cough]

Are you a member of FOTCM? (In which case I would already have shipping information on file.) If not, you might consider joining. But in any case, we are happy to send books to those who need them, especially when they will be shared, so send your shipping info to Perceval via PM.